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I have upgraded to WM6 using the AT&T official release. WM5 used to maintain my ActiveSync connection when I turned the screen off (by momentarily depressing the power button - sleep mode). Now WM6 drops the USB connection. I performed a hard reset - no change. I reinstalled WM6 - no change.
It appears that for applications, the 'sleep mode' is acting more like a power-down mode (just doesn't reboot when you power up again).
>>>Follow-up - I tested the bluetooth connectivity and it appears to stay up during sleep mode. So it looks like just USB is affected when going to sleep.
>>>Follow-up #2 - Media Player continues to play (and the speaker is active) when in sleep.
This is normal behavior. Have you experienced otherwise in the past?
Probably normal as when its plugged in via usb its powered and doesn't need to go into sleep mode.
Did you guys not even read his original post at all? He had it working with WM5 and now it's not. Which would mean it is NOT normal. Not to mention you can still use sleep mode while having it plugged into a USB port so I don't know why the last poster would say it doesn't need sleep mode. Of course it doesn't need sleep mode. It's being charged. That doesnt mean he wouldnt still want the screen to turn off while it's plugged in. I charge my phone right next to my bed if I had that damn bright screen on while I tried to sleep I'd go crazy. Point being neither of those posts were worth a damn. sheesh.
Edit: For the record mine disconnects activesync when in sleep mode as well. I don't remember if it did so in WM5 or not but I'm pretty sure it did cause I recall being a bit surprised when it disconnected when I hit the power button. Now we just need some real help with real answers.
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Point being neither of those posts were worth a damn. sheesh.
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And your post really helped to solve this "problem", didn't it.
I'm sure he just didn't want a program to turn his screen off, as anybody with half a brain could find a freeware cab to do that. How about searching google for screen off pocket pc freeware
Call down surret... calm down. No need to take it so personal.
Just because it works in WM5 does not mean it will act the same in WM6. I was not giving a definite answer about sleep mode but maybe an idea as to why.
When I plug my phone into the wall it still charges fine in sleep mode. When I plug my phone into my computer it charges in sleep mode but the usb does not stay connected. I was suggesting that since sleep mode is to save the battery life that when your connected the battery is not being used and hence not really required. Also in sleep mode in order to save battery it needs to turn off as much as possible. It looks like the USB connection is one of them.
There are other options like a screen toggle as per the post above and there is also a setting that you can use to turn off the backlite when the device is plugged in and not put it into sleep mode. I think thats in the power saver settings somewhere.
I do not know of a registry hack or anything to make it work the way you want but I am letting you know that it seems like thats the way it works on WM6.
Thanks to all who responded. I'm relieved to learn that this is normal for WM6.
Since WM5 allowed me to sleep while charging/syncing and WM6 didn't, I was afraid that my 8525 was developing problems.
I will simply have to change my behavior to accomodate WM6. After all, if all WM6 did was add support for SDHC cards, it would justify the inconvienence.
One thing to note too that I noticed...
Even though its in sleep mode and not connected (even though its plugged in) I notice my phone still wakes up and does a sync every now and then. Might want to check that. Maybe it still sync's ona timed interval but doesn't stay connected.
Knockz said:
One thing to note too that I noticed...
Even though its in sleep mode and not connected (even though its plugged in) I notice my phone still wakes up and does a sync every now and then. Might want to check that. Maybe it still sync's ona timed interval but doesn't stay connected.
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That was one of the annoying things - when put to sleep when it is in the cradle, the 8525 would wake up after a short period, reconnect, and resync.
So even when you put it to sleep it wouldn't stay asleep (if connected to a powered on PC). If the PC is powered off the 8525 stays asleep until you manually wake it up or a event occurs (incomming call, reminder, scheduled backup, etc).
Ok I've had my desire now for couple if weeks. I've read many many posts regarding battery issues so please bear with me.
I've come from iPhone 3gs and estimate my battery is seeing 25 percent less capability.
There are it appears many settings for internet connection. (Always enabled, auto sync, background sync, connect to internet, then individual settings for certain apps when they wanna sync. And then WiFi settings. What I'm after is to kill the internet completely when my phone is not in use, (this is regretable but have to save battery).
What I want is to kill the internet completely when the phone is not in use. No background, no sending hunting for signal etc. Then in one click I wanna connect. AND have the apps sync that I want synced. And have full internet etc. Then in ONE click shut internet off compleley. Is the best way to do this, by setting up your auto sync and background to be always on. Background always on, everything always on or connected, then hold the power button to wake the phone but hold it till you get menu and then select connect to internet from one of the options. Then when I pit the phone down, hold power key, then select disconnect from internet. Will this work and kill my internet connection 100 percent? And get everything synchronized when I turn it on?
Not interested in juice defender, read some bad stories (aswell as good)
Thanks.
Long press the power button, click 'Mobile network' to toggle it on or off.
I use this settings when in work as I have a very poor 3G/H signal in my office, other wise the 3G/H singal drops and connects like a yo-yo all day long draining my battery like crazy! I turn it back on when I'm leaving work. This way I still get calls/texts while in work and I'm sitting at my computer for my internet.
JuiceDefender (even the free version) is working wonders for my battery life. The basic version forces your mobile Internet connectivity to only turn on for 1 minute for every 15...amazing what difference this makes.
I've been using it for the last three days or so in basic mode, and my multiplier is already over x2.
The only downsides I've found are that the 3G/HSDPA is a little slow at "waking up" if I want to use it if JuiceDefender has previously turned it off...I have to have the screen turned on for about 20 secs before a connection initiates - it's a relatively small price to pay, however.
As a rule, I have auto-syncing turned off during office hours since I'm in front of my PC at these times, so don't need to have GMail, NewsRob, Weather, Facebook, Twitter etc. updating on the phone. I turn syncing back on just before I leave the office - and there is plenty of stuff then synced up ready for me to look at whilst on the train home. I leave syncing on for the rest of the night whilst I have WiFi on the phone - and this seems to draw *far* less battery than when 3G/HSDPA is constantly on.
With this routine, I'm easily getting 24 hours out of the phone now...
The real battery killer is when you're using Internet-enabled services in a patchy area. The battery drains away extremely rapidly I've found. In can easily lose up to 40% whilst on the train home (which takes no more than 1hr 20mins) whilst I'm trying to use the Internet etc. as it is constantly cycling between cells moving between G-3G-HSDPA...
rodhull said:
JuiceDefender (even the free version) is working wonders for my battery life. The basic version forces your mobile Internet connectivity to only turn on for 1 minute for every 15...amazing what difference this makes.
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I'll agree with everything rodhull says, especially the lag after switching the screen on. But I know the developer is working hard to resolve this and other issues. JD looks like it will very shortly be an excellent solution to this, which is really an HTC problem - they should have provided a better battery!
I got my Desire a week ago and the first two days it drained in no time.
Today i have used the phone for playing, surfing, talking, mail, used wifi and gps . and I still have 48% left on the Battery.
Time since last charge is 16 hours and 4 minutes.
I am not doing anything special to preserve the battery
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Long press the power button, click 'Mobile network' to toggle it on or off.
I use this settings when in work as I have a very poor 3G/H signal in my office, other wise the 3G/H singal drops and connects like a yo-yo all day long draining my battery like crazy! I turn it back on when I'm leaving work. This way I still get calls/texts while in work and I'm sitting at my computer for my internet.
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Me too, when at home my battery uses about 1-2% per hour with everything syncing and stuff. When at work, it's 6-8% per hour and it's switching between 3G and 2g the entire day. This seems to have a very big influence on battery life.
Hi All.. Just visiting from the X10 pages.. we're having similar battery issues over there too... suspect that these "super smartphones" are really battery killers... A lot of people on the X10 seem to be getting much better battery life now - I got c.40 hours out of mine earlier this week - with wifi usage - no BT and no GPS... There seems to be a few useful things you can try.. first of all - most people have now ditched Juice Defender.. concluding that it doesn't actually help at all.. if anything I reckon it was using more juice..
Wifi sleep policy - set one.. !
Switch data services off when you don't need them (when asleep etc).
Specifying just 2G/ GPRS when in a weak 3G area..
install task manager or ATK to kill apps that run in the background.. sucking up juice!
Hope this helps some!
just got juice defender ultimate, as it seems to do a good job of making my battery last longer....but there are so many settings, i'm getting confused.
I basicaly just want the best settings that will disable all internet to save battery, except for once every hour when my i want the phone to run the "autosync" process to sync my facebook, twitter, emails etc. i alsao want it to obviously allow me to connect to the internet if i manually start an app which needs it (internet browser, facebook app, peep, etc).
at first, the app seemed to be doing this, but now i'm finding that although it's doing a great job of saving battery, it's not syncing, and my internet connection doesn't come on when i open an app. (or occasionally, it will come on, then not turn off again until i manually tell it to.....which defeats the whole point of having jhuice defender...i got it so that the phone would automate this process).
any help greatly appreciated...
totally given up on these battery saving apps now. they all seem to do the same thing...
they work exactly as they should for a couple of hours (i.e. they cut out internet except when syncing or when needed for an app etc)...then they suddenly jsut stop working, cause my internet connection to be lost completely, and i can't get it back until I reboot my phone (losing temp root i might add, so having to go through that whole process again too).
i think i'm going to just suck it up and charge the thing every day...i bought an "extended battery" which is supposedly 2430mah (around twice the stock battery), but it doesn't seem to give twice as much performance....it just seems to slow down the battery drain slightly for the first half of the cycle....
i.e. it lasts for around 2 hours without going below 90%, then within the next 2 hours it will drop to 70%, within the next 2 hours to 50%, the next to around 20%, then finally dying within the next 2.....
this is with syncing on, occcasional text or email checking etc.
so i'm getting around 10 hours use instead of around 7 or 8. it's better, but it's far from being twice the capacity.
but anyways, yeh, battery saving apps jsut seem to kill my internet requiring reboot, so i'm gonna just manually cut internet at various stages through the day from now on, and keep charging every night? sound like a plan?
Green Power Premium.
Simple and works as advertised...Juice Defender has got a lot of settings for sure...
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Green Power Premium.
Simple and works as advertised...Juice Defender has got a lot of settings for sure...
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ok, i'll give the free version a try...but i'm not holding out much hope, i've tried so many of these battery saver apps now, they al result in my internet connection being totally screwed up until i reboot the phone.
The default settings are pretty good. I don't think I changed much in the way of settings. Your phone will save a lot of power throughout the night with this.
thanks! finally, a battery saver that actually works!
been trialing this today and so far so good.
7 and a half hour shift at work today, it's been syncing every hour (which i know has been working, cos on my break i had tweets and emails waiting, and again when me shift ended)...sent a few texts in the morning, on lunch and after work too. so far it's down to around 83% battery....
The important thing is that it hasn't destroyed my internet connection (touch wood). It switches it off until i unlock the screen, except when it periodically turns on to allow the syncing. It also knows when I am at home and will use my wifi instead of mobile internet.
I'm going to keep trialing it for a few days to make sure it definately doesn't crash my internet after a while like the other programs seem to. So far so good though. If it keeps working, i'll buy premium for the night mode feature. Save even more battery that way.
thanks again, very happy
No problem. Glad it worked out for you.
Green Power is no longer working at night mode....switching WiFi and mobile networks works still, but it doesn't seem able to switch to airplane mode. This is only since I rooted, but I'm on stock Rom and this appears to be the only problem now.
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apparently, someone else on their forums have the same issue, and it's a known bug, something to do with green power being "paused" then "resumed". weird how it's never done it before though :s
have uninstalled it and reinstalled, so hopefully that will sort it out :S
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worked perfectly last night, so it must have been a one off glitch :s
This week I noticed something really great... Normally I charge my phone during the night, but the other day I charged during the day and it was at 75% when I was going to sleep so to save battery I turned off Cellular Data but left WiFi on (I knew it would turn off in stand by).. I forgot battery saver LOL...
But in the morning my phone was all up to date, Weather, News, Emails.. Everyting...
The past days I've been doing the same and I noticed that as long as cellular data is off.. If I lock the phone with the WiFi connected it stays on and connected, if it's not connected or the router restarts during the night it doesn't connect.. Nice..
I'm using Omnia 7 with 8107 update...
Yeah... Tested it just after reading your post.. Wifi stays on
No
Wifi stays on only if the phone is charging.
yeah it stays only on if charging and 1/2h after you see your lockscreen before you go to sleep. i get sometimes email but all they arrive only 1/2 after the lockscreen, not during the night. and at the morning i get all the other emails, that arrived 1h after the lockscreen during last night...
I've been confused for 1.5 years what people mean by WiFi turns off with phone locked. If I start a download a file and shut the screen off it still downloaded it. When I plugged my phone in at night, all the things I selected to sync on my PC were on my phone in the morning. Are people just not setting up ' Wireless Sync ' via Zune phone settings? 10 minutes after my phone is on charger if I'm at the PC a message pops up showing a connection to my phone, and it syncs with Zune.
I'm sure I must be overlooking something, but what other reasons do we need the WiFi to work with the phone sleeping?
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Wifi stays on only if the phone is charging.
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this.
I don;t turn my data connection on but i have my wifi on.
The phone is right next to me and it can't update my email unless i unlock it.
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I've been confused for 1.5 years what people mean by WiFi turns off with phone locked. If I start a download a file and shut the screen off it still downloaded it. When I plugged my phone in at night, all the things I selected to sync on my PC were on my phone in the morning. Are people just not setting up ' Wireless Sync ' via Zune phone settings? 10 minutes after my phone is on charger if I'm at the PC a message pops up showing a connection to my phone, and it syncs with Zune.
I'm sure I must be overlooking something, but what other reasons do we need the WiFi to work with the phone sleeping?
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Even if we don't need WiFi to work with the phone sleeping, but every time I unlocked the lockscreen, it will reconnect to WiFi for seconds, I have to wait a moment till I use my WiFi again, it's really inconvenient, and I cannot keep the phone charging all the day. IOS and Android have no such problem. I really think this is someting need to be improved.
I agree.... I think it's done this way to save the battery.
So I will be getting a pebble sometime in the near future. I have a interesting idea to see if it would save on the battery life. Rather then keeping my phone always connected through Bluetooth (which I just learned our phone has Bluetooth 4.0 but no drivers for it, so my short battery life will get shorter), I was wondering if I could have tasker every time I get a notification for email, texts, whatever I want:
1. Connect to a Bluetooth device when I receive a notification (for instance Pebble, I know I can do the first part but in case anyone is reading this to find exact steps).
2. Push that notification to pebble if it does not show up since Bluetooth might take a bit to connect.
3. Disconnect from Bluetooth device.
Extra: The ability to turn Bluetooth on and off (if it will save more battery life).
This also has to be done relatively quickly, it would be pointless if this takes 20-30 sec imo, should take no more then 5 sec, but more around 3 if possible. So what do we think my friends, can it be done? I just started using Tasker, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
CptSamir
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I'm thinking about getting a Pebble as well and had the exact same idea!
I can't think of anything to get the actual notification, but having Tasker just "recreate" it, once Bluetooth connection is established, should do the job as well I guess?!
This isn't any help to your actual question, just wanted to mention a comment I saw somewhere from an app developer about smartwatch apps and battery life. Which was that most people report getting better battery life because your phones screen is what uses the most battery, and with a smartwatch most people end up not turning on the screen every time a notification comes in.