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So I want to buy the HTC Mozart, but I am not quite sure, because if there is no good community it wont be worth the money. So does anyone know if somebody is working on a root or jailbreak for wp7?
It would make the platform even greater
Thanks in advance!
People are working on it. I'd be surprised if there isn't a jailbreak available in 3 months after it is released.
Ok thanks I am just interested as the beta was already available and the roms have leaked in the htc Mozart category.
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the windows mobile community is the reason this message board exists. I wouldn't worry.
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Made2Last said:
the windows mobile community is the reason this message board exists. I wouldn't worry.
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This ^
Also, XDA calls "root or jailbreak" for WM "HardSPL"
ericc191 said:
This ^
Also, XDA calls "root or jailbreak" for WM "HardSPL"
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"HardSPL" is a bootloader that allows custom Windows ROMs - like flashing to BIOS in your PC to a 3rd party version
Windows doesn't have the concept of a "root or jailbreak" because there is no root account or Jail Shell.
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This ^
Also, XDA calls "root or jailbreak" for WM "HardSPL"
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WM (Windows Mobile) is not equivalent to WP or (Windows Phone) Windows Mobile is the past, Windows Phone is Microsoft moving forward. I think they might actually have something with this new OS
Mhh interesting Thanks!
I tested the OS and it feels great, like my iphone 2g at first and after JB i noticed that it is crap without JB XD so just wondering ^^
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Again To general.
This just discusses WP7, it does not contribute anything developmental wise, just discussion wise .
~~Tito~~
I don't see much of a point in jailbreaking, because there's absolutely squat in regards to API documentation of Iris UIX. No one will be able to write up alternates to the system components.
The only thing that'll make sense right now is unbrand phones, to get carriers out of the loop in regards of updates.
Some of these people think wp7 is ios with a new skin. Let them keep asking about this, Lol.
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N8ter said:
Some of these people think wp7 is ios with a new skin. Let them keep asking about this, Lol.
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I do not think that this is IOS with a skin!!
I just wanted to know if something like jb or root will come!
Not JB per se but only the concept of being able to do stuff MS doesnt want to!
@Tom Servo
I am not sure but isnt it running on a silverlight platform so it would be rather easy to develop different apps?
A large part of the base system, especially UI, is .NET code but uses a different framework called Iris UIX. It's a descendant of the MCE graphics framework, and also used in the Zune desktop software.
Third party applications are forced to use Silverlight instead.
That's also why there's a disconnect between UI features and performance between the first party and third party apps.
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A large part of the base system, especially UI, is .NET code but uses a different framework called Iris UIX. It's a descendant of the MCE graphics framework, and also used in the Zune desktop software.
Third party applications are forced to use Silverlight instead.
That's also why there's a disconnect between UI features and performance between the first party and third party apps.
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Oh ok thanks!
Now thats kinda stupid from them.....
A long time ago, they hired more developers to work on UIX. Seems like they were more occupied porting it to mobile devices than documenting it and prepping it for general release, or something.
I still hope that it'll be made public at some point in time. It seems to be a way better solution than WPF, judging both the phones and the Zune software, even tho the majority of it is still .NET. Maybe a little less flexible, tho. Seems like some teams over at Microsoft went like "**** it, this is overengineered slow crap" and continued to work on MCML, which turned into UIX.
WPF was on the table long before the flashy Zune client ever came to be, which is also mostly .NET. That tells you something.
Tom Servo said:
I don't see much of a point in jailbreaking, because there's absolutely squat in regards to API documentation of Iris UIX. No one will be able to write up alternates to the system components.
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How about enabling PInvoke, getting the same access to native WinCE APIs OEMs have? Getting access to filesystem, sideloading, tethering, you name it.
Tom Servo said:
A long time ago, they hired more developers to work on UIX. Seems like they were more occupied porting it to mobile devices than documenting it and prepping it for general release, or something.
I still hope that it'll be made public at some point in time. It seems to be a way better solution than WPF, judging both the phones and the Zune software, even tho the majority of it is still .NET. Maybe a little less flexible, tho. Seems like some teams over at Microsoft went like "**** it, this is overengineered slow crap" and continued to work on MCML, which turned into UIX.
WPF was on the table long before the flashy Zune client ever came to be, which is also mostly .NET. That tells you something.
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Thanks a lot! I just saw the app you created looks interessting
Is it in the market yet?
So as you develop such apps i have to ask you:
Do you think the problems you mentioned can be overcome like MS says.
Like in one or two months?
Or would you say that the market will not evolve as much as apple and android?
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How about enabling PInvoke, getting the same access to native WinCE APIs OEMs have? Getting access to filesystem, sideloading, tethering, you name it.
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My reason exactly!
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How about enabling PInvoke, getting the same access to native WinCE APIs OEMs have? Getting access to filesystem, sideloading, tethering, you name it.
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Microsoft doesnt allow native code for 3rd parties, amd pretty much said they'll keep it that way. I doubt WP7 will support unsafe code for 3rd parties. It's too obvious a workaround...
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So I know there are a lot of iPhone and Android switchers coming aboard on WP7. What apps you are missing now on WP7? I would like to leverage this list to get developers to get off their rocker and start XNA and Silverlight Dev for WP7.
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I miss having a Bank of America app on my phone!
I'm considering jumping to WP7 from Android, but the lack of a double wide clock tile (similar to the htc sense clock) is keeping me where i am for now.
At a glance, i want to see time, current weather and upcoming appts
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I miss having a Bank of America app on my phone!
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I missed it on wm6.5 but I bookmarked www.bofa.com and it did the same thing. And pageonce is also good.
Its okay, we all make mistakes, just keep these kinds of general discussion topics in general .
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Came from an iPhone 4 to an Omnia 7.
WhatsApp. God, I miss WhatsApp. But Microsoft doesn't allow developers to access the Adress Book API so we'll have to wait until they unlock that functionality.
So...I've owned my HTC Titan for about a month now, and overall I love it. But we all know that some of the apps that exist on the 'other' OS's, don't exist on Windows Phone.
Heres the idea:
How about an app, that acts as a petition..... It could be designed to simply email the top 20 or so app developers that have popular apps on iPhone and Android, requesting their apps be ported to Windows Phone....
Just an idea I had....and I felt like this was the best place to vent it.
-B
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So...I've owned my HTC Titan for about a month now, and overall I love it. But we all know that some of the apps that exist on the 'other' OS's, don't exist on Windows Phone.
Heres the idea:
How about an app, that acts as a petition..... It could be designed to simply email the top 20 or so app developers that have popular apps on iPhone and Android, requesting their apps be ported to Windows Phone....
Just an idea I had....and I felt like this was the best place to vent it.
-B
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+1 as long as it's not considered spamming!
+1
but, It is not a spaming App if you describe what the app does. ? So each user knows what the app will do.
PS. I would definetly use/install this app.
i would use it
My Vote too +1
It's bad idea. If you are thinking, the developers don't know about WP7, you are mistaken. Second one: most top apps written not by individual developers but companies; only you can get a company's general contact email or tech support email. So you can't really spam the devs (and it's perfectly fine! LOL )
Yeah, that's a double edged sword. It would get ideas out there, but I can just imagine the flooded inboxes.
Can anyone make a homebrew version of the 3G data usage? As in how much I use and warnings when it go over the limit. I know this is not possible on the marketplace, so can developers make this??
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That would be a very cool thing. +1
As far as I know is that not possible at this time!
and you know this how? you do not look like recognized develop but i am not denying that you arent, just i have never heard of you.
It would be good if we can get some developers to work on this idea... This kind of app is available on iPhone and android....feels inferior if we can't even reach this function
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lovenokia said:
and you know this how? you do not look like recognized develop but i am not denying that you arent, just i have never heard of you.
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no i'm not a developer right now, but i read a lot and long time in this forum.. often is this question ask, therefore i know it.
the windowphone7 has public API limitations. so developers in this forum can't create that kind of app, only cell-providers. at&t (provider) has create a app for data usage counter. but i don't know, whether other cell provider has apps like this.
maybe it is possible in future..
The current windows phone SDK does not offer the ability to know anything about data usage. It can tell devs if your connected to a mobile network and that's about it ... one could write an app to know when the phone is on a mobile network and then have a background task that listens for any network traffic being used. However, listening to the traffic would probably need to be a homebrew hack to get that info and it would be quite a bit of work to accomplish this correctly.
I have heard that win phone 8 will have this built in and much more for easier data tracking and laerting the user.
Windows Phone 8 will have this built in ... but for now you should use your carrier's app if they have one
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lovenokia said:
and you know this how? you do not look like recognized develop but i am not denying that you arent, just i have never heard of you.
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I'm sure there are millions of developers other devs haven't heard of.
Quick question for those that have a RT tablet. How many rows, columns and worksheets can you access in Excel RT?
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Quick question for those that have a RT tablet. How many rows, columns and worksheets can you access in Excel RT?
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All of them.
I asked a simple question really, and expected a simple answer, not a "simple" answer
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No such thing as excel rt.
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He's right. It's the full Excel as you'd expect on normal Windows.
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He's right. It's the full Excel as you'd expect on normal Windows.
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Minus plugins and I think certain/all macros. Maths functions are still there though.
You can access all cell as on Excel can. But the CPU of Windows RT not powerful as normal Windows CPU. It maybe slower with the large data.
Also only 2GB of RAM, so yeah, realllllly huge spreadsheets would be slow. But any XLSX you can create or open on the desktop should work fine on the tablet. I'm guessing XLSM would open too; you just wouldn't be able to execute the macros.
You should be able to have as many rows and columns as on any 32 bit computer. How many that is I don't know.
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You should be able to have as many rows and columns as on any 32 bit computer. How many that is I don't know.
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More than anyone would need
I just tried horizontal scrolling in libre office calc which is the libre/open office equivalent to excel. Got to GBH, gave up going further. From memory I think you can hit over 50000 vertically.
Here's MS's specs http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-specifications-and-limits-HA103980614.aspx?CTT=1