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Tell me guys.
Went from a tytn2 to a Raphael...
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
Never used a Hero.
The TP2 from T-Mobile is hands-down the best WM-based device I've ever had my paws on. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.....
Macedon2000 said:
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
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Do you want a Windows Mobile phone with a brilliant physical keyboard and lots of neat business features that also does a reasonable job of multimedia, or do you want an Android-powered, multimedia-oriented device with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch, and which also does a reasonable job of business-oriented stuff? The two are really very different. It would make more sense to be having trouble deciding between a Hero an iPhone - they're much more similar in philosophy (IMO).
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
I was also thinking weather to go for hero or the touch pro2 but the touch pro2 has an amazing keyboard and watching movies on it look pretty impressive and i dont mind it not using a 3.5 mm jack as i use a stereo bluetooth headset. So i went for the touch pro2 and WOW im glad i did, im writing this from my touch pro 2 now.
It also has a reasonably good stock rom, the stock rom on my wizard was hopeless and if it wasnt for xda-developers i would never of had it for so long.
TP2 definetly, because the hardware keyboard that for me is a must!
The telephone conferencing and voice features are really good. Easy to setup and to use. Sound is good too. Credit to HTC for adding features that are fundamental to a what a good business phone should have.
I really don't like the way the Hero looks. Just for that I would go with the TP2.
Macedon2000 said:
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
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capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
I got the Tmobile Touch Pro2 and I am very happy with it - awesome screen size and acceptable thickness for a fullsize keyboard. hulu.com on skyfire for this screensize totally rocks. I have heard that the flash browser of Hero is slow, but then again - it hasn't been XDA-fied yet (not that I know of, anyway).
But I am in the same boat as you - want the Hero too!!!
Good news is that I have a work ATT phone that will be up for renewal in October, hopefully when the Hero comes in!
Can't really help you with your choice except say - go to the Tmobile store and see the TMobile touch pro2 in person.
And don't count out the diamond2 either.
It truly is a great time to have HTC shares....hmmm maybe I should be looking into that! lol!
poppinpengawen said:
capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
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Resistive screens need to be pressed quite hard, while capacitive ones only need to be touched lightly. Capacitive screens tend to be more responsive, so they will probably track your finger better when scrolling, and there's less likely to be any ambiguity about whether you've pressed something or not. But the most significant difference (aside from the fact that you can't use a stylus with a capacitive screen) is that a capacitive screen, given appropiate OS support, can support multi-touch - that is, it can detect being pressed in more than one place at once.
So, on the Hero and iPhone if you're running (say) Google Earth, you can rotate the map by putting your thumb and forefinger on the screen and twisting your hand. You can also zoom in and out by putting thumb and forefinger either side of a section of the screen, then moving them together or apart. This is much more convenient and intuitive than the TP2's zoom bar.
Macedon2000 said:
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
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A jail-broken iPhone is actually pretty flexible.
I almost bought an iPhone rather than a TP2. It was really only the cost that put me off in the end. (Not the absolute cost, but it's too expensive for what it is). The user-interface design on an iPhone really is beautiful - it's not just that everything works, it's that everything works intuitively and quickly and neatly. The lack of a physical keyboard was also a problem for me (as I'm rather clumsy and have short, fat fingers) but the on-screen keyboard on an iPhone is the best I've seen; and the lower resolution of the screen (on iPhone or Hero) niggles a bit - for mobile web-browsing the extra screen res on a TP2 or Diamond2 really makes a difference for reading small text.
The call quality is also very good on a TP2 - I need phones to be clear and loud as I'm partially deaf. People hear you very clearly on the TP2 as well, thanks to the high-quality soise-cancelling microphones.
Before all this came out there was word going around that there would be a media and a business edition. What happened to these rumors? Maybe the one we saw is the media edition and the business edition will be more like previous versions without all these restrictions.
Rumors aren't always (or even usually) right. It goes against the core beliefs of what MS has been saying for a while now. I was pretty sure the rumor was BS right from the start just from that alone. MS has been pushing the convergence of business and home, especially on phones. Yea, WM has been a far cry from that but this is their foray into changing that.
They can spin it saying WM 6.5.3 is the "business" version while WP7 is the "media" version but that's a stretch.
I will think that as well.
And I still believe and certain that there would be very good support and applications for business people on WP7.
- WP7 can handle Microsoft Exchange emails
- WP7 should be able to handle Microsoft Exchange calendar (if you watch the video demo, there are "red" and "blue" entries in the calendar, red for business)
- WP7 has Office hub, which means Microsoft Office, what else? Meaning Word and Excel, they are the most standard application. PowerPoint? I cannot think any reason it wont be supported.
- WP7 demo mentioned "specifically" for OneNote and SharePoint
- WP7 has access to MyPhone service to store files remotely (correct?)
- WP7 has decent web browser
- WP7 has calculator (and I am sure there will be better alternative from 3rd party)
What else do you want for doing business?
- Hardware keyboard, no brainer, it has been mentioned WP7 "could" have hardware keyboard.
- Remote Desktop application? This is just a remote viewer of Windows PC, this should be possible.
- Telnet/SSH?
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Rumors aren't always (or even usually) right. It goes against the core beliefs of what MS has been saying for a while now. I was pretty sure the rumor was BS right from the start just from that alone. MS has been pushing the convergence of business and home, especially on phones. Yea, WM has been a far cry from that but this is their foray into changing that.
They can spin it saying WM 6.5.3 is the "business" version while WP7 is the "media" version but that's a stretch.
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They were just rumors dude. As said, the OS demoed had both an Office Hub and a Zune hub. Everything needed for business and play. Think of it as Windows Ultimate, but the only version.
Microsoft already announced what they had, why bring this up?
Yeah I'm not following why many people think WM6.5/6.5.X is going to be the 'business line' of phones.
WP7S guidelines say no candybar hardware keyboard phones - fine (that may have just been a rumor, too lazy to look now.) That doesn't mean it's not suitable for 'business.' The slider keyboard or even virtual keyboard are sufficient as well (see the iPhone gaining acceptance in the enterprise.)
The Xbox Live hub? The emphasis on Zune? I'm sure it can be hidden away, still dormant in the background, but not so prominent on the front home screen.
I see no reason why WP7S couldn't be a business platform.
gogol said:
What else do you want for doing business?
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A stylus, no giant keyboard that takes up over half the screen [so you lose the overall context of the document] that I still can't type on, a screen I don't have to touch with my filthy fingers, not having to zoom in and out and pan all day to edit text....seeing as WP7 is going to be all capacitive and have giant space inefficient icons and menus, I can't see how it's going to be an improvement for anybody working with word/excel/outlook
There will be WP7S phone device that has hardware keyboard.
So don't worry with that half screen size virtual keyboard when you have hardware keyboard.
I believe it has been mentioned here by Joe from Microsoft:
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LauraFoy/First-Look-Windows-Phone-7-Series-Hands-on-Demo/
gerryjoson said:
A stylus, no giant keyboard that takes up over half the screen [so you lose the overall context of the document] that I still can't type on, a screen I don't have to touch with my filthy fingers, not having to zoom in and out and pan all day to edit text....seeing as WP7 is going to be all capacitive and have giant space inefficient icons and menus, I can't see how it's going to be an improvement for anybody working with word/excel/outlook
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Yea, but what about the multi-touch capacitive hardware specification they made. That's just silly, I prefer resistive touch screens because I like using a stylus I don't know why they'd limit their device to capacitive and alienate anyone that actually likes a precise stylus. Even if capacitive stylus do exist they're not as good, and they're sold separately from the device, so no more handy stylus storage on your phone.
gom99 said:
Yea, but what about the multi-touch capacitive hardware specification they made. That's just silly, I prefer resistive touch screens because I like using a stylus I don't know why they'd limit their device to capacitive and alienate anyone that actually likes a precise stylus.
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Where have you been during the last couple of years? Stylus is dead. It's going away, and won't be seen anywhere in two years from now.
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Where have you been during the last couple of years? Stylus is dead. It's going away, and won't be seen anywhere in two years from now.
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While I know many people like and use capacitive screen, that doesn't mean that people like me don't exist that don't like smudging up their screen as the only means of interfacing with your device.
I occasionally touch my screen for small things like closing an application, changing tracks, etc. But that's with my finger nail. I don't like smudging up my display device, it seems counter productive to me. But if I intend to use my device for any prolonged period of time I like having the precise touch of a stylus as an option at the least.
But like I said, the issue isn't with capacitive devices existing, it's with stylus based interfacing disappearing when there's no real reason for it to go away. Even if it's a smaller segment of the market, it's part of the market nonetheless.
I actually like drawing on my phone, it's fun. I like being able to edit text that's very small because I have that precision I need. And I like not smudging up my screen with my clamy hands.
gom99 said:
if I intend to use my device for any prolonged period of time I like having the precise touch of a stylus as an option at the least.
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Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
vangrieg said:
Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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I agree your UI shouldn't depend on a precision tool. But you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Precision tools have their place. But There are things that are easier with a precision tool.
Copying and Pasting for instance is far easier with a stylus than your finger on text that's zoomed out.
Freehand notes are far better done with a stylus than your finger.
etc.
I'm sure the stylus will be back when resistive multitouch technology becomes better. The stylus makes sense for alot of scenarios.
vangrieg said:
Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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imo you're making the mistake of conflating UI design to the type of screen. Yes, microsoft is making the right move by moving away from stylus only control to a better touch UI.
But do you think the wp7 UI would be totally different if a resistive screen would be allowed along with a capacitive screen as the input? I don't see pinch zoom as being the crux of the entire wp7 UI.
I swear the only thing I use my stylus for is to hit the reset button.
I use the stylus on my device everyday. Not exactly when I'm doing the day to day stuff. But when I'm in my Calc class I use a graphic calc software on my device called spacetime and it's much easier to use my pencil to type on the calculator then having to put it down then use my fingers. Once we get capacitive I'll be force to use my fingers. I'm not that mad about it though. It will just take some getting used to.
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But do you think the wp7 UI would be totally different if a resistive screen would be allowed along with a capacitive screen as the input? I don't see pinch zoom as being the crux of the entire wp7 UI.
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It would make a world of difference because some devices would have multitouch and others wouldn't. That's exactly the situation they are trying to avoid with their new approach.
vangrieg said:
It would make a world of difference because some devices would have multitouch and others wouldn't. That's exactly the situation they are trying to avoid with their new approach.
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I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required. I think the only feature that leverages multitouch is the pinch zoom. And I'm sure pinch zoom isn't the only method of zoom.
gom99 said:
I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required. I think the only feature that leverages multitouch is the pinch zoom. And I'm sure pinch zoom isn't the only method of zoom.
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If you're a developer writing a game... how do you design controls for some phones that have 4-point touch and others that are only 1?
RustyGrom said:
I swear the only thing I use my stylus for is to hit the reset button.
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Yea, but you're not me. I use my stylus whenever I use my device for more than just a touch or 2. I'm just making the case that different kinds of users exists so I don't know why they'd limit the input device like that.
Besides, am I to understand that this 3 button limit wp7 imposes means that you can't have volume buttons and customizable button like a voice command button, and Dpad?
If so that's pretty bad as well in tandem with a capacitive screen in winter/glove style scenarios.
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I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required.
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It's an official requirement, and even though you've only seen it for zooming, you should keep in mind that a successful consumer platform should also be a gaming platform. If MS wants to be big in mobile space they need games ported to WP7. And in order to have a chance here they'll need to avoid platform fragmentation at all costs.
I've seen the fingers being used on the screen, and yes, this may be a dumb question, but watching the video again, I notice they never even mention a stylus.
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
I "said" it was a dumb question
TickLe MY eLMo said:
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
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I have a TP2 now, it has a stylus and a touch screen.
Hey, I was just asking because I was curious and no one had seemed to mention it.
Nope, there is "NO" stylus thank goodness
TickLe MY eLMo said:
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
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I'm coming from the world of WinMo where I used a stylus to select text for cutting and pasting. How does one select text for cut & paste without a stylus?
DrawnToScale said:
I'm coming from the world of WinMo where I used a stylus to select text for cutting and pasting. How does one select text for cut & paste without a stylus?
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go use an iphone to see how and ive cut and paste on an iphone pretty decently and the EVO will have a bigger screen so itll be easier to cut on that and the EVO is capacittive touch pro 2 is resistive if you dont know the difference google
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
blitzer320 said:
go use an iphone to see how and ive cut and paste on an iphone pretty decently and the EVO will have a bigger screen so itll be easier to cut on that and the EVO is capacittive touch pro 2 is resistive if you dont know the difference google
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man, one huge long run on sentence. Trust me though OP, it is easy, i forgot how to specifically do it on android, but i'm sure it's easy.
Joecrack305 said:
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
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and that is as far as we need to go
I don't like the feel of the resistive screens. This one is much much better.
Resistive screens you have to push harder usually, capacitive ones detect fingers much better and require a very slight touch, however they don't detect hard objects like a stylus and such.
When I first got my HD2, the capacitive screen was so sensitive, in comparison to my Blackstone, I went kind of nutty.....but, a Winmo application was posted trough good ol' XDA to adjust the sensitivity to personal preference.
Te EVO is bound to be the same. No fingernails, the capacitive screen requires the touch of the finger.
Also, I have a capacitive stylist.....big as a pencil and quite unnecessary.
sanjsrik said:
i've seen the fingers being used on the screen, and yes, this may be a dumb question, but watching the video again, i notice they never even mention a stylus.
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what!!!
Capacitive touch screen!!!
Stylus!!!
What!!!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+the+evo+have+a+stylist
sorry but could not help myself........
wow, that was truly unhelpful
beerock said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+the+evo+have+a+stylist
sorry but could not help myself........
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I did exactly what you said and guess what the first hit is, "XDA-Developers".
it was an honest question and admitting that it may have been a dumb one was my first comment. I truly don't understand how some people "think" they're funny when just ignoring a question that they may think they're "above" is the better non-response.
Don't assume you're the smartest person in the room and the other people didn't first search for the answer. Your OWN example turned up THIS post started by me.
If you don't want to help, that's one thing, if you think making fun of someone else makes you better, that's something else entirely.
THIS is why people sometimes are afraid to ask questions in these forums for fear that people like you will make fun of them.
No question is waste of time if it hasn't been asked before, which funny enough mine hadn't.
Joecrack305 said:
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
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if I may....
this is the touchscreen controller in the EVO
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp?family_id=701&source=main_nav
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
also capacitive touchscreens can have stylus's....
http://www.eforcity.com/universal-touch-screen-stylus-for-apple-iphone-touch-black-dothxxxxst03.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronic...iTouch-Models/3275019/product.html?rcmndsrc=2
sanjsrik said:
I did exactly what you said and guess what the first hit is, "XDA-Developers".
it was an honest question and admitting that it may have been a dumb one was my first comment. I truly don't understand how some people "think" they're funny when just ignoring a question that they may think they're "above" is the better non-response.
Don't assume you're the smartest person in the room and the other people didn't first search for the answer. Your OWN example turned up THIS post started by me.
If you don't want to help, that's one thing, if you think making fun of someone else makes you better, that's something else entirely.
THIS is why people sometimes are afraid to ask questions in these forums for fear that people like you will make fun of them.
No question is waste of time if it hasn't been asked before, which funny enough mine hadn't.
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relax killer, I didnt even look and see what came up plus I spelled stylus wrong anyway... I was just joking around hence the smiley.... But I noticed that isnt easy to do anymore
Ok since I upset the OP (unintentionally) I figured I would help.... here is what I found when I actually did a correct search....
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=htc+EVO+stylus?
Hope it helps
johnsongrantr said:
if I may....
this is the touchscreen controller in the EVO
<urls removed due to my newbie status>
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
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You can't use a stylus or fingernail on the Incredible and it was also rumored to be using the same touchscreen. So until someone who has access to a unit says it works, I wouldn't count on using a non-conductive mechanism to interact with the EVO 4G.
URABUS0924 said:
You can't use a stylus or fingernail on the Incredible and it was also rumored to be using the same touchscreen. So until someone who has access to a unit says it works, I wouldn't count on using a non-conductive mechanism to interact with the EVO 4G.
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i guess the manufacturers of the controller are lying then
Why do a lot of people bash a phone for having a Physical Keyboard? They are a lot better then the Software Keyboards. You can feel if you hit 1 or more keys when typing with a Physical Keyboard. When you type with a Software Keyboard, you might have Haptic Feedback, but you can't tell by that, if you hit more than 1 space. Also, with the Physical Keyboard you can see the entire screen while typing, unlike the Software Keyboard which only let's you see just a small part of the screen while typing. I feel that ALL Smartphones should come with the Physical Keyboards.
I have a physical keyboard on my quantum and I love it... Though I'm not sure what this topic has to do with wp7
It's about the only thing I miss from my old N97
I'm trying to hold out till there is a new WP7 with a phyiscal keyboard
Sadly, I don't see any WP7 phones with a physical keyboard in the pipeline. I was hoping for a replacement to the HTC Pro 7, but it doesn't seem so. :-(
Maybe Nokia will develop something.
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that's why i bought dell venue pro..excellent physical keyboard:X
simply because people are stupid. A hardware keyboard is much better tan the virtual one, and its stupid to say that it makes the phone thicker!!!! the key would be a keyboard phone with a W8-like OS, and with a mini touchpad like the Old WM6.1 phones. But, its only a dream, now we are in the dumbphone era, so this is only sci-fi. My Optimus 7 is much thicker than many keyboard-phones...
agreed, will be holding onto my quantum until a suitable next gen qwerty keyboard WP gets released.
7pro for me
keyboardless phones are a no-go for me
can nokia please cough out an E7 with wp7?
gd761 said:
Why do a lot of people bash a phone for having a Physical Keyboard? ... I feel that ALL Smartphones should come with the Physical Keyboards.
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Phones with keyboards are generally thicker and heavier than phones without keyboards. Some people would not want a keyboard if:
- they can type just as fast using the on-screen keyboard or;
- they don't type much on their phone.
In this case, they would choose the thinner, lighter and probably cheaper phone.
Personally, I prefer a physical keyboard too. However, it's good to have a choice of devices as people have different needs.
Just so long as Sprint keeps up the WP7 "Touch Pro 2" Style phones, I will keep getting them
Though I would switch to a fancy HTC Titan if Sprint got that also.
If only Sprint got the HD2 way back when... Sigh..
yes
They need to make a WP with a physical keyboard. Dual core processor. 4 in plus screen. Front and back facing camera. At least an 8 mp camera and expandable memory. That would be a great phone. But for now I love my Arrive. And I don't ever buy a phone with out a physical keyboard.
Arrive vs Quantum
supercain said:
They need to make a WP with a physical keyboard. Dual core processor. 4 in plus screen. Front and back facing camera. At least an 8 mp camera and expandable memory. That would be a great phone. But for now I love my Arrive. And I don't ever buy a phone with out a physical keyboard.
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believe me, you would love your Arrive even more if you tried a Quantum. OMG, it is a nightmare if you're used to the Arrive.
I think there are those of us who have used keyboards since the beginning of time and it is hard to let go, then there are those who have only recently jumped in to the smart phone arena straight in to a virtual one and they got good at it and know no difference. I have seen smart phone newbies with virtual keyboards typing just as fast or faster than I do on the physical.
When I just switched to AT&T (signal reasons) I was forced to get the Quantum and the difference is amazing. Not flaming the Quantum for those who have it and know no better. I wish that were the case, believe me. Those of us who started out on the UTC 6600, then 6700, then Mogul, then TP1 and TP2 were very satisfied with the Arrive. That is a very nice landscape slider. My wife and I just ordered replacement Focus S's to send our Quantums back (our text maniac daughter is hanging in there in fear of losing her text messages). Amazon says that we can have 30 days after we get these Focus S's and we are hoping that a landscape slider breaks for Christmas (there's rumor of a landscape slider from Nokia). Of course the expensive solution to the whole thing is an unlocked Pro 7. That's the dream. I would swap all of my former Sprint smart phones for 3 Pro 7's
I like my quantum..
What was your issue with it?
I hate how people say "at least an 8 megapixel camera"...
They can't seem to comprehend megapixel means size not quality..
The quality is dependent on the sensor.
There are 5 megapixel cameras that will destroy an 8 mpx one when it comes to quality....
livejazz said:
believe me, you would love your Arrive even more if you tried a Quantum. OMG, it is a nightmare if you're used to the Arrive.
I think there are those of us who have used keyboards since the beginning of time and it is hard to let go, then there are those who have only recently jumped in to the smart phone arena straight in to a virtual one and they got good at it and know no difference. I have seen smart phone newbies with virtual keyboards typing just as fast or faster than I do on the physical.
When I just switched to AT&T (signal reasons) I was forced to get the Quantum and the difference is amazing. Not flaming the Quantum for those who have it and know no better. I wish that were the case, believe me. Those of us who started out on the UTC 6600, then 6700, then Mogul, then TP1 and TP2 were very satisfied with the Arrive. That is a very nice landscape slider. My wife and I just ordered replacement Focus S's to send our Quantums back (our text maniac daughter is hanging in there in fear of losing her text messages). Amazon says that we can have 30 days after we get these Focus S's and we are hoping that a landscape slider breaks for Christmas (there's rumor of a landscape slider from Nokia). Of course the expensive solution to the whole thing is an unlocked Pro 7. That's the dream. I would swap all of my former Sprint smart phones for 3 Pro 7's
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i had a SE P900, then i swapped to an atom for awhile, before i got hooked on the tp1. on my 7 pro now. but oh boy would i kill to get a nokia E7 flavoured WP7
I was a sucker for physical keyboards too before and bout hp ipaq 614 just for that reason..
But after trying wp7 virtual keys.. i say its a good riddance..
WM6.5 screens had diff touch technology.. where we had to press screen hard.. thats why we had keyboards..
But wp7 has some new tech.. i dont know what they call it.. but we dont have to put pressure on screen with a stick.. it senses your finger using some electro-magnetic thing.. its way better than using physical keyboard, but still needs some improvement.
Purple11 said:
I was a sucker for physical keyboards too before and bout hp ipaq 614 just for that reason..
But after trying wp7 virtual keys.. i say its a good riddance..
WM6.5 screens had diff touch technology.. where we had to press screen hard.. thats why we had keyboards..
But wp7 has some new tech.. i dont know what they call it.. but we dont have to put pressure on screen with a stick.. it senses your finger using some electro-magnetic thing.. its way better than using physical keyboard, but still needs some improvement.
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lol...
Resistive vs. Capacitive
this is the most realistic rumor I've seen around....
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-working-qwerty-windows-phone-deeper-intergration
We now know its not the first out, but it definately looks as if it could be a prospect.
SoByX said:
that's why i bought dell venue pro..excellent physical keyboard:X
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Agree, one of the best ever.
magicsquid said:
Phones with keyboards are generally thicker and heavier than phones without keyboards. Some people would not want a keyboard if:
- they can type just as fast using the on-screen keyboard or;
- they don't type much on their phone.
In this case, they would choose the thinner, lighter and probably cheaper phone.
Personally, I prefer a physical keyboard too. However, it's good to have a choice of devices as people have different needs.
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I entirely agree with you, but what annoys me is there is no choice (in any OS).
You can have high spec, but only if you have a stupidly oversized screen.
You can have a small screen, but only if you don't want a decent spec.
You can have a decent keyboard, but only once every 2 years, which fair enough adds to the size (I don't care frankly), but what annoys me is you pay more than the highest spec phones but DON'T get high spec.
Why can't I have high spec in a small phone, with a keyboard. I don't mind if it's thicker. Any screen bigger than the one on the 7 Pro is just too big to be practical.
I'm looking for an app to write with a capacitive stylus that makes the bottom of the screen inactive so you can rest your hand on the screen to write. Hopefully it will have the ability to create themes for backgrounds from other sources or your own design.
I found one (but no bg themes) awhile back but can't find it again and don't remember the name. Any assistance would be appriciated.
donec said:
I'm looking for an app to write with a capacitive stylus that makes the bottom of the screen inactive so you can rest your hand on the screen to write.
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A customer likes 7notes on iPad, he persuaded me to try it on Android (7notes with mazec in play store)
I don't get on with it at all, plus the "rubber tip" capacitive stylus seems to drag too much on my N7 screen, the type with a wire mesh seem better, depends on what the N4 screen is like ... horses for courses.
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