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I have been using HTC devices for many years now:
Pison 5MX, HP Jornada 720, HTC Alpin, HTC Trinity, HTC Kaiser and HTC Polaris!
The form factor of the new TP2 is brilliant.
HOWEVER, the keyboard is just not designed very efficiently for me because it is half of the size of the total width. Which means that the rear part is not used for the keyboard.
I would have preferred a FULL keyboard such as the one on the HTC Universal or on the Psion 5MX or Jornada 720!
I don't understand the point of designing a PDA with a built-in keyboard if the keyboard is just too small which makes it even not usuable. The one on the Kaiser was so small.
HTC produced the Universal with a full sized keyboard using the full width of the screen.
Why not on the newest models?
Any ideas?
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
I don't have a problem with the Keyboard size at all. I think it's just about perfect. My problem is the fact that they made the buttons much bigger and removed 10 keys from the original touch pro. Yeah, It makes it easier for some, but I know I'd rather have the keys. The keyboard still would have had really big buttons.
As a happy Universal owner I understand very well the point of sayborg.
As far as I know the only devices with great keyboards are:
Universal
Advantage
Shift
Toth (New)
But the last 3 options are too big...
I´m in the same interrogant? I want/need to upgrade my 2005 Universal but nothing I can see in the near future as a REAL replacement
TP2 is the closer one I can think
Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
I don't know what to think about the keyboard yet. The buttons feel good, not slippery. The number keys at the top are a pain in the ass because the lip of the top layer is slightly overlapping making it just annoying enough to bug me. On screen keyboard is pretty tight. No complaints there.
DavidMc0 said:
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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It's true that we aren't there yet, but as far as hardware I think the Rhodium is getting pretty dame close. Huge screen, sturdy construction, physical slideout keyboard, and a large enough screen that the onscreen finger keyboard is very usable. These are many things that I've been waiting for. The only thing that can make the design better is to make it thiner which will take so time in tech advancement.
I still think they shouldn't be losing some of the buttons they had on the titan/tilt style phones (d-pad and soft key hardware buttons). However, I'm probably not giving the usability of the touch interface enough credit.
As long as the software is up to par (hadware acceleration and strong usability) then it's all gravy. This is the device I've been waiting for for a long time. I'm also thinking that once it's been out a year or so The Android roms for it will be pretty advanced and very capable. Overall, this has a TON of potential and I think it will be the first phone I don't constantly look forward to the next version on.
I just hope against hope that they have enabled hardware acceleration on this phone. If we have another non-implemented 2D/3D driver while relying on CPU power for rendering gsnarfle... I'd be most unhappy.
That's one of the big reasons I'm looking to move away from my Mogul... while it's a decent phone, they seem to have shot it in the leg and then told it to go run a marathon.
It may be my ignorance to the matter, but I hope that all the touchflo3D phones have full hardware acceleration support!
sayborg said:
Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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well honestly I think I think if they used the whole width it would take up to much space be harder to reach the keys on the ends of the keyboard with your thumbs., and also the kaiser keyboard is not bad, it is very easy to type on for me and I can type fast, adn honestly I think they are making hte keyboards smaller cause its easier to use them on the go,
but look at a pic of the touch pro 2 keyaboard they did make it use mroe space, so they know what you mean it does make typing easier, but for phones with HUGE keyboards.. well most people dont want a phone that big but honestly they used almost all of the space on the touch pro 2 for the keyboard
The only thing that worries me is the lack of the windows key and the ok button. Those two will be missed greatly. Otherwise, I think the keyboard will be a huge improvement over my Mogul's.
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I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
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Eh sorry. While i havent used any touch device yet, i looked at the Universal, and one word jumped out at me.. Bulky. That thing just looks to big and clunky to be of any fluid use.
I was actually happy when i saw a pitcure of the TP2 keyboard. They keys look like a good size, and the bit of space between them i was happy to see because i toyed with the fuze/tilt and i fat-fingered with that keyboard enough to annoy me.
As far as removing keys... as Ranch Wilder would say..."Less is more". Just because a device as more keys/buttons doesn't mean its better. Take the Logitech G11 keyboard. They dumped a bunch of Macro keys on it, most of which never got used, and only made the keyboard take up more space. Their next version of the G15, the removed alot of the G keys (macro keys) to cut the size down, but there's still plenty to be useful.
I think its more a matter of people being use to so many keys, however i think the touch interface will more than make up for it. Plus i guess that puts me at and advantage where this will be my first phone with a keyboard.
If you feel the keys are too small, tell this to the Blackberry users.
I think the keyboard was stretched pretty close to the edges, I think its fine. the universal has a different target audience than the touch pro 2 if you want the PERFECT universal replacement I suggest this phone:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/shift/specification.html
but I never used or saw a universal so im not sure, but the shift is a really nice phone with a big keyboard and it has ALOT of speed, but it costs alot more than most phones and is wont fit in your pocket either but it seems like the perfect replacement plus it runs windows vista! a real os not a mobile one
and it has a finger print scanner built in whats not to like about that.
CAPS & Function Keys
I cannot imagine why the CAPS(shift) and Function keys are not reversed! Didn't the designers look at a computer keyboard?
So my question is - can the key functions be changed in the software and can the keycaps be popped off and switched?
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Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
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Alas, I have been wishing this for years...
when the original Universal came out, as a college student, I didn't have the means for a Universal...
All I can do now is hope...
Well, im ready to upgrade from my 3125 (which is starting to fail after 2 years) to a touch screened WinMo phone (despite several friends/co-workers trying to get me into the iphone) I was strongly for the Touch HD for a while, then the Touch Pro II was announced and i started looking into it. Its not a bad phone.
Question is, which would be better overall?
The biggest selling point for the HD is the 3.5mm audio jack (why HTC or other phone manufactures dont make this standard ill never know, given the high demand and how pretty much every phone plays music now). My 3125 does play music, and has front audio controls (which ive discovered are more of a hassle than a bonus) ive found i dont use it to play music as much as i hoped i would. This is, in majority, due to the lack of a 3.5 jack. I managed to get a Bluetooh Stereo receiver, however the sound quality is sub-par, and it creates severe lag with the phone, and so, i rarely use it.
I do sync it to my outlook, use it to update appointments, notifications and contact list (im super forgetful of events, so it helps remind me)
Now on the flip side, the biggest selling point for the Touch Pro 2 is the hard keyboard (obviously). While i messed around with a soft keyboard on an iPod Touch, and im pretty sure i could get use to it, ive read that the HD used a resistant screen, so it wouldn't be as responsive as the ipod touch/iphone. Plus it would be nice to have hardware keys for fun stuff such as playing mobile games.
Outside of those two unique features, they seem like identical smartphones. I just have a couple questions about them..
1. This may be a stupid one, but since im in the U.S. i have to ask. It looks like the Touch Pro 2 will be able to go on the AT&T network (seeing as how T-Mobile is bringing it in), but Will the Touch HD also be accepted on the AT&T network? (i do understand it will NOT do 3g. I have no plans to use the network in that fashion, and if i do, non-3g will be enough)
2. Does the Touch Pro 2 have a G sensor for screen rotation and the like? From videos ive seen, it only shows it switching the screen orientation when they pull out the keyboard. And the G-sensor is something i would like to take advantage of.
3. Do both devices use the 'standard' (i use that term loosely) mini-usb connection? (same that's on the touch pro). I ask to see if the Mini-usb connections (such as the 3.5 jack converter) will work on it. It looks like the touch pro 2 does use it, but i haven't seen the jack on the HD as of yet.
3. I know the HD doesn't have IR, does the Touch Pro 2? (not essential, but it would be fun to play around with and make a remote out of it)
4. On the Touch Pro 2, will it play Media files using the 'Straight Talk' loud speaker? Additionally, hows the sound quality of that speaker?
Now, the TP2 looks pretty nice, and very functional & business like. However im not much into business (aside from programming) and will likely not use the conference feature much, if at all. The HD is more of the multi-media phone which is more or less what i want, but i cant ignore all the features and the hard keyboard of the Touch Pro 2.
Opinions? Comments?
ALL HTC devices made in the last 2 years or so have used the extUSB connection proprietary (although the spec is in the open) to HTC. It combines Audio/video with the usb port. You can use a standard mini USB cable in this port though.
TouchHD will work on AT&T 3g.
There is an accelerometer in the Touch Pro2.
IR has been deleted from later HTC devices if I have my facts correct.
Audio is played through the speaker unless you have headphones connected.
cheers.
i also wanted the htc hd but had my reservations about no hard press buttons. now that the TP2 will soon be available i will get that for sure!!!(qwerty)!!!
I would DEFINITELY go with they touch pro 2, sure the screen is a bit smaller but hardly, and also it does ahve a g-snsor, and also I here are specs for the touch pro 2 from htc website
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
and heres teh specs for the hd:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html
also a slightly higer capacity battery in the touch pro 2
I know it has the hardware keyboard, but can you still use the softkeys if you didnt want to flip out the other one?
I am leaning toward the TP2, tho it means i have to wait for IT to be released, and my 3125 is quickly falling apart. :\
I think im going to stick with AT&T tho rather than switching to T-Mobile.. Anyone have any estimates on how soon it will be available to the US (unlocked)?
I know it has the hardware keyboard, but can you still use the softkeys if you didnt want to flip out the other one?
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Definitely.
Dude go for the Touch Pro II, i currently have the HD, but i need a physical keyboad since i tend to type alot on it, mails & sms's
Th eonly up side for the HD against TPII is its 3.5 audio jack, camera and slightly bigger screen of .2''
Don't forget the HD is a much slimmer phone, its even thinner than the Diamond 2 and only a little bit thicker than the original Diamond. May not be that important to you, but if you carry your phone around with you it can make quite a difference.
I have HD and ...
I have HD myself and it works OK in US. I'm using GSM only (no 3G) as you are going to.
Both phones are quad-band GSM phones, so they will work on TMO and ATT (GSM only).
TP2 also has TV Out which HD lacks.
Previously I had HTC Wizard with slide-out kbd. If you type a lot - physical kbd is a MUST. I'm ok with soft-kbd on HD, but I do not type much. But when I chat on ICQ ... man, I miss that kbd from Wizard.
Also HD seems much thinner (at least from videos I saw). That could be a factor.
Both miss front D-Pad - it turns out - big drawback for me Too many games rely on d-pad. I mean - real games It started to change though.
Bottom line ... if you type a lot and play games a lot - get TP2. Or need TV Out. Otherwise - get HD.
Personally - I'm staying with HD.
Basically the situation is a little funny. The Touch HD, Touch Pro 2, and Touch Diamond 2, are all pretty much the same exact phone. All the hardware is the same, all software is the same, only difference is the exterior casing.
Between HD and Diamond2, I have no idea what they are trying to do. You can buy a HD and flash it to the new topaz ROM, and bam you have a touch diamond2, like out of a time machine from the future! In fact the HD casing is nicer/thinner than the Diamond2, so it's even better!
For Pro2, it's exactly a touch HD/Diamond2 + a keyboard. For this you can say it's better if you don't mind the extra thickness, it's up to you between how much you want a keyboard and how much you want a thin phone. All the small keyboards from no matter what phone I don't like, they are too small to be used seriously, if I need to seriously type, I would bring a foldable full-size BT keyboard with me in pocket. But this is my preference. If you want keyboard, get pro2, if you don't, get HD.
I don't know where diamond2 fits in, it's same as HD but worse, it's thicker and smaller screen and no headphone jack and you have to wait to buy it while HD is out now, does that make any sense?
Sate said:
Basically the situation is a little funny. The Touch HD, Touch Pro 2, and Touch Diamond 2, are all pretty much the same exact phone. All the hardware is the same, all software is the same, only difference is the exterior casing.
Between HD and Diamond2, I have no idea what they are trying to do. You can buy a HD and flash it to the new topaz ROM, and bam you have a touch diamond2, like out of a time machine from the future! In fact the HD casing is nicer/thinner than the Diamond2, so it's even better!
For Pro2, it's exactly a touch HD/Diamond2 + a keyboard. For this you can say it's better if you don't mind the extra thickness, it's up to you between how much you want a keyboard and how much you want a thin phone. All the small keyboards from no matter what phone I don't like, they are too small to be used seriously, if I need to seriously type, I would bring a foldable full-size BT keyboard with me in pocket. But this is my preference. If you want keyboard, get pro2, if you don't, get HD.
I don't know where diamond2 fits in, it's same as HD but worse, it's thicker and smaller screen and no headphone jack and you have to wait to buy it while HD is out now, does that make any sense?
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well its smaller, also its got the sharpest screen, and also its not THAT much thicker but it is smaller and I think has better battery life but I see what you mean I want the touch pro 2 but if not that then the hd
I´ll definetly take the TP2, it has a physical keyboard!!!
For me is a must
Found 2 cents in my pocket, let me add it to the mix a roo
Ok, so I battled back and forth between the Sony X1 and the HD, I live in the US and my girlfriend in the UK so she was doing the shopping and the guy at the store was telling her go for the X1 if it were him thats what he would choose. That would be great coming from a TyTnII then a Kaiser, BUT i was SOOOO sick of all of the Iphone fantards that there was no way I was gonna pass the opportunity to get a killer device that would shut them the F up so i got the HD. I worked in mobile phone sales after high school in the mid 90s so I have been around them for ages and the Motorola flip phone was the greatest thing on earth. The Touch HD is by far the greatest hand held mobile device I have ever had. Looks great, works very well and even the Iphoners were saying well I dont need to record video and and and well I can read my MRIs on my phone and play slot machines to decide where to have dinner. Umm ok shut up and go play with your little toy in your room right. All this aside, i HATED not having a keyboard/D pad. This phone was the toast of the Beverly Hills Hotel and I broke the no mobile phones on your person rule and my manager never even uttered a word. No way I was leaving that beauty in my locker right! I tried every program for keyboards and still after all that, I sold it! Shipped it out yesterday as a matter of fact, and almost cried (not really but i almost told the guy i broke it and was gonna refund his money). SO with that said when the TP2 comes out, I WILL be back to typing fast and not screwing up and taking 2 min to type Ok ill be right over, do I need to stop off and pick up condoms and vodka!
Things I will miss
The look of the phone, its cool and sleek, but I felt like it was a little cheap feeling, i like feeling that my phone can stop an assasins bullet if need be. With the HD im a dead muthasucka
The 3.5MM headphone jack, BUT there is a tiny little adaptor i found online that looks kinda cool and not long and silly looking.
WAP vs the HTML internet, but I was assured by a post on another page that with Opera Mini (geesh) i should not have any concerns with surfing the net
.2 inch larger screen. This microscopic difference is so insignificant that even that much growth on my anatomy would be un noticed right, so who cares.
Not sure if there is a stylus but I like using that at times but we shall see about that.
Anyway I guess if you couldnt tell Im leaning way towards TP2, even though there is no D pad (wtf) and i need an adaptor to use my headphones, taking less time to type emails and such is very important and that is why i have to buy!!!!
This is the link for that headset adaptor, i think its like $7
http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop...&pbmId=16020&gclid=CMargqeD45kCFRBbagod8z-bQg
johseph said:
Ok, so I battled back and forth between the Sony X1 and the HD, I live in the US and my girlfriend in the UK so she was doing the shopping and the guy at the store was telling her go for the X1 if it were him thats what he would choose. That would be great coming from a TyTnII then a Kaiser, BUT i was SOOOO sick of all of the Iphone fantards that there was no way I was gonna pass the opportunity to get a killer device that would shut them the F up so i got the HD. I worked in mobile phone sales after high school in the mid 90s so I have been around them for ages and the Motorola flip phone was the greatest thing on earth. The Touch HD is by far the greatest hand held mobile device I have ever had. Looks great, works very well and even the Iphoners were saying well I dont need to record video and and and well I can read my MRIs on my phone and play slot machines to decide where to have dinner. Umm ok shut up and go play with your little toy in your room right. All this aside, i HATED not having a keyboard/D pad. This phone was the toast of the Beverly Hills Hotel and I broke the no mobile phones on your person rule and my manager never even uttered a word. No way I was leaving that beauty in my locker right! I tried every program for keyboards and still after all that, I sold it! Shipped it out yesterday as a matter of fact, and almost cried (not really but i almost told the guy i broke it and was gonna refund his money). SO with that said when the TP2 comes out, I WILL be back to typing fast and not screwing up and taking 2 min to type Ok ill be right over, do I need to stop off and pick up condoms and vodka!
Things I will miss
The look of the phone, its cool and sleek, but I felt like it was a little cheap feeling, i like feeling that my phone can stop an assasins bullet if need be. With the HD im a dead muthasucka
The 3.5MM headphone jack, BUT there is a tiny little adaptor i found online that looks kinda cool and not long and silly looking.
WAP vs the HTML internet, but I was assured by a post on another page that with Opera Mini (geesh) i should not have any concerns with surfing the net
.2 inch larger screen. This microscopic difference is so insignificant that even that much growth on my anatomy would be un noticed right, so who cares.
Not sure if there is a stylus but I like using that at times but we shall see about that.
Anyway I guess if you couldnt tell Im leaning way towards TP2, even though there is no D pad (wtf) and i need an adaptor to use my headphones, taking less time to type emails and such is very important and that is why i have to buy!!!!
This is the link for that headset adaptor, i think its like $7
http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop...&pbmId=16020&gclid=CMargqeD45kCFRBbagod8z-bQg
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I have an adapter that's kinda like that but more of a squarish shape. Also yeah I don't think the diamond 2 is that ood of a phone comparedt to the other 2 but it is also the cheapest, but im not sure but it does have a few advantages over the diamond like battery life, size, and yeah the thickness isnt that much of a difference anyways, so it baiscally depends on how much size on a phone you will sacrafice for a bigger screen
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I have an adapter that's kinda like that but more of a squarish shape. Also yeah I don't think the diamond 2 is that ood of a phone comparedt to the other 2 but it is also the cheapest, but im not sure but it does have a few advantages over the diamond like battery life, size, and yeah the thickness isnt that much of a difference anyways, so it baiscally depends on how much size on a phone you will sacrafice for a bigger screen
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Yep, I am like you. I hesitated between TD2 and HD (I do not like keyboards, I do not do enough typing on my phone/pda to accept the added thickness, soft keyboard is enough for me).
I am more leaning to TD2: cheaper, smaller so more pocketable make it my number one pick over the HD (although would miss the 3.8'' screen, 3.2 is just a little bit small - my perfect device would be TD2 with a 3.4/3.5'' screen (it is possible keeping the overall size, just reducing screen borders, especially the empty space under the buttons...), and either thinner or, even better, with a larger battery...I have seen pics of the batter of the TD2 and TD1, and TD2 batter seems 2 times as large as the TD1....why is it only 1100 mAh is beyond me, by the look of it I would have expected at leat 1300-1400 mAh, it is either thinner or HTC is being conservative with its battery capacities....
3.5mm jack is a little bit annoying, but I seldom listem music on my phone anyway, so either an adapter or the included earphones would not bother me too much
I had both the Touch HD and the Xperia X1i. I love the big screen but i miss the keyboard. I would have stayed with the Xperia but the speaker sucked and I often missed calls. I'm looking to get the Touch Pro 2 as it seems to be a combination of both phones to me. i hope the speaker is as good as the Touch HD, if not better.
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Yep, I am like you. I hesitated between TD2 and HD (I do not like keyboards, I do not do enough typing on my phone/pda to accept the added thickness, soft keyboard is enough for me).
I am more leaning to TD2: cheaper, smaller so more pocketable make it my number one pick over the HD (although would miss the 3.8'' screen, 3.2 is just a little bit small - my perfect device would be TD2 with a 3.4/3.5'' screen (it is possible keeping the overall size, just reducing screen borders, especially the empty space under the buttons...), and either thinner or, even better, with a larger battery...I have seen pics of the batter of the TD2 and TD1, and TD2 batter seems 2 times as large as the TD1....why is it only 1100 mAh is beyond me, by the look of it I would have expected at leat 1300-1400 mAh, it is either thinner or HTC is being conservative with its battery capacities....
3.5mm jack is a little bit annoying, but I seldom listem music on my phone anyway, so either an adapter or the included earphones would not bother me too much
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I think that some companies make unofficial batteries that are like 2 times the size so u might want to get one of those then
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I had both the Touch HD and the Xperia X1i. I love the big screen but i miss the keyboard. I would have stayed with the Xperia but the speaker sucked and I often missed calls. I'm looking to get the Touch Pro 2 as it seems to be a combination of both phones to me. i hope the speaker is as good as the Touch HD, if not better.
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I am pretty sure it will be amazing since it has 2 speakers
Yea, the 3.5mm jack is getting to be less important over the keyboard. Mainly due to the fact that their is an adapter from the usb, and if i got the HD, i couldn't do much about the keyboard.
I know their is no D-pad, but the TP2 Does have the hard keyboard, with Arrow keys.. couldn't you use that to play games?
As far as uses? I dont know. I dont much experience using a phone with a keyboard so i couldn't say if i will use it a lot until i have it available to me. I could very likely get use to the soft keyboard, but if i had a hard keyboard, id like get use to that over the soft. My 3125 is a normal number pad so either the hard or soft would be an improvement for me.
The headphone jack, ive been thinking that i likely wouldn't use quite as much. The only time i get the opportunity to listen to music is when im either driving, or waiting on something and frankly when im out in public i dont like putting on headphones because it makes me oblivious to whats going on around me. Plus, as stated, i could easily get an adapter now that their are several available.
Even tho ill have to wait that much longer (2 more months.. meeehh) i think im falling in the TP2's direction.
Here's a cahrt comparing the features of the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-titans-compared/
I thinkt he HD does very well actually...in fact if it gets a software update it may be the winner with the largest screen (it's really great to type on).
Alright, rant time.
The Rhodium/Touch Pro I Keyboard suck. Okay, maybe that word is too harsh, but they're a giant waste of buttons. Phone keyboards are small, they don't have room for much. but the Fuze's keyboard, shifting the number buttons into the familiar phone style, overlayed on existing keys, allows for tons of buttons to be freed up - freed up for extremely useful punctuation buttons.
Personally, my passwords always have punctuation marks in them. I can only imagine the time it'd take to open that menu every time to place in a punctuation mark. Not to mention how immensely easy it is for parentheses, dashes, slashes, hyphens - you name it. They're right there, easy as can be to hit.
The Rhodium keyboard is, once again, a total failure for this extremely important oversight. I mean, this is the NUMBER ONE feature keeping me from upgrading from my Fuze (that and a LED on the back are the only two things, though I could get past the LED issue.)
How do we get HTC to figure this out? I mean, I know the Touch Pro has more actual buttons than the Rhodium, but that doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of room to add in these punctuation features.
This and the crazy omission of the LED on the back... two giant disappointments on this phone. And yet, everytime I look at the once-loved wheel and button area on my phone, I just see wasted space for a bigger screen. Why HTC, why?!
The punctuations are put as secondary functions you access with FN, just like how the numbers are with the FUZE. There are plenty of keys without secondary functions they can be applied to. But who knows what the AT&T version's keyboard will be like. The leaked roadmap had a wired QWERTZ layout with a red color and totally different and (in my opinion) horrible button layout. I with they would keep the 12x5 instead of going down to 10x5 like all the other Touch Pro 2s.
I wish they would do that as well, but they are changing the nature of the buttons, so I doubt that will happen until they increase the size of the phone.
Which I hope they do soon. The Rhodium is a great sized phone, and fits in my palm easily. It's extremely comfortable to hold. But I think, eventually, they cannot just expand the phone horizontally.
I never held an HD, but I assume it still feels good in the palm. I just wish ALL phone companies would recognize the value of an attached keyboard, and work at perfecting it, instead of this stupid "Hey look on-screen keyboard" deal.
After the 8125, 8525, 8925 (Fuze), it is very unlikely that the Fortress will have anything but the AT&T keyboard layout. As for the LED, it is so minor that I could really care less. Yeah torchlight is a crowd favorite at parties (LMAO), but I never use it for the intended purpose of the camera.
Besides, have you seen this video(s): http://www.fuzemobility.com/excellent-htc-touch-pro-ii-video-review/
If this doesn't sell the device then nothing will. The Touch Pro II is simply the baddest ass device out right now. When the US Carriers get it and it becomes under half the cost of the HTC Branded Touch Pro (with 2 year contract), how much better does it get?
Well the BIGGEST problem is - I bought my Touch Pro last November, and I have no problem forking over another 350 for the Touch Pro II, but the deal of this two-year contract at AT&T seems to care differently.
(Upon closer look, the number keys do have a lot of alternative features to them. Though I still see wasted space, it's not as bad as before.)
So yeah, how do I get AT&T to... say... let me renew my contact a year earlier and possibly take my Fuze back as refurb?
EDIT: That review really did sell me on the product. I was really thinking this was just a Touch Pro in a different shell, but clearly it is a much more powerful beast. I hope it stays that fast and speedy throughout its life, I know I've flashed a ROM on my Touch Pro only to wake up to a buggy, laggy mess. That phone did look awesome.
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I went from a fuze 2 the touch pro 2, and the new keyboard layout does take getting use of, but it is better and really feels good cause if the heightened keys
Does the keyboard have as many punctuation options as the Fuze? Or at least the more used ones?
23 punctuation marks on TP2
22 punctuation marks on the TP1 Fuze
Most of the punctuation on the TP2 is with using the Fn key though.
Even the + - options? What is the extra punctuation mark?
I'm so glad the keyboard has all of these options. Now the only thing I'm worried over is the lack of flash, but that is the ONLY issue I have. The Touch Pro II only needs to come out in the US. I can't wait.
How is it with getting hot like the Fuze does?
I know its kind of biased posting on this thread but I wanted your guys honest advice. I am a US AT&T subscriber and have been saving and waiting for the Fortress (TP2) to make its long awaited release. But recently I have been reading reviews and awing at the specs for the Samsung Omnia II and now it has grabbed my attention due to the awesome AMOLED screen, 800 mhz processor, 1900 mhz 3G at&t band etc. In fact the only two faults i can find with that phone are the lack of a hardware keyboard and built in stylus. I was hoping you guys could (unbiasly) voice your comparison of the two devices so you can help me make a definitive decision.
Thanks
Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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And its for this reason that I am having difficulty choosing. I would most likely use the phone for web surfing, hulu, email etc. (multimedia) but I would also use a stylus frequently for taking quick handwritten notes. So essentially I would be happy with the omnia II if it had a built in stylus (since it can do pretty much anything the TP2 can do except screen tilt).
Have you heard of the Omnia Pro? It doesn't address your stylus concerns, but it does have a keyboard.
Have you considered the Touch HD or Toshiba tg01 (snapdragon but same OmniaII stylus concern)? The 4"+ screen might be nicer for taking handwritten notes. I believe the Touch HD also has a successor on the way, though I can't keep track of all the names out there.
Personally I would never consider one of those keyboardless devices, but different strokes... If multimedia is a big concern of yours, you might wait to see how the TG01 and current devices fare with real flash once it is finalized for winmo (hopefully) this fall. It's hard to know if current processors like TP2/Omnia's will really be able handle Hulu in a pleasing way because Adobe's promised mobile flash solution isn't here yet to test it out.
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I'm not sure about the omnia pro, but the omnia II will likely only see a release on Verizon in the fall. The current unlocked model has the 1900 mhz At&t 3g band though.
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is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure verizon still has exclusive rights to the omnia family. I say AT&T should propose a trade: give up exclusivity for the iPhone in exchange for exclusivity of the omnia family
screw it, I will probably grab the ATT Fuze (touch pro). It is $99 right now, don't want to spend 200+ on touch pro2
I like the small size of the wing
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I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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Yes, agree. The stylus hanging outside the phone is a stupid design and that puts me off since the first version of Omnia when it is launch some time back. Guess the N97 also follows the similar stupid design.
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I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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All AMOLED screens are basically useless in sunlight, not really samsung's fault. I have read this everywhere.
yes amoled screen is useless under direct sunlight....but it consumes less battery
omnia 2 should be compared to diamond 2, not touch pro 2 and i vote for omnia 2 compared to diamond 2..... especially if i have to compare the multimedia part.
tp2 should be compared to omnia pro to be fair.....
Wooh, In my opinion:
I do like the big built-in memory of OmniaII and hate the non-practical small built-in memory of Touch Pro2.
However, I do hate the shortcoming of OmniaII without built-in stylus. I do need the stylus for my Chinese handwriting, also for some traditional software which is not designed for finger friendly.
it's easy for me to buy the Touch pro2 at that time the OmniaII did not come up to market yet.
I'm waiting on both of them, but my leanings are to the Omnia II. The processor and ram put it far ahead IMO. I hardly use a stylus now so I won't miss it, and in regards to visibility outdoors I don't foresee that as being a problem either. The main concern I have is the touch screen keyboard, resistive vs. capacitive in that regard are worlds different. I love the hard keyboard on my titan but for everything else the Omnia II sports I would be willing to give that up...assuming the onscreen keyboard is efficient.
Omnia 2 vs TP2
Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. Better screen, better cpu, better internal memory, better camera with video, and better BATTERY! To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really cant live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?) then maybe the TP2 is for you. But since i run a business and use phones like these frequently, having a pen stylus on hand or just using the end of my pen for instant input is more handy than a built in keyboard. Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
And i was planning on getting the TP2 when it comes out in tmobile but given the raw data and specs, youd be crazy NOT to get the OMNIA 2. Almost like picking a Nissan than a BENZ. If it comes out in Tmobile i wouldnt think twice about trading in my TP2 for an OMNIA 2.
Samsung Omnia is a better business and multimedia phone. It looks to be an amazing device!
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Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch VWGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight!Both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really can live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?). Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
Samsung Omnia is a better phone.
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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Biased? Whats biased is having this discussion on a Rhodium discussion board- thats whats biased. Im a huge supported of HTC devices but its clear as day to look at the Omnia 2 and Touch pro 2 and declare which one is better...OMNIA 2 in every which way and trust me when i tell you AMOLED screens are amazing in sunlight. Amazing. I can see some things with my kaiser or G1 when the brightnes is the highest but with a AMOLED, you see everything and your brightness doesnt need to be high at all. And i tell you this from EXPERIENCE, not some silly video review. Oh, and the keyboard is amazing for TP2 but you cant judge a phone just based on keyboard. But because the Omnia 2 has a 3.7 inch screen, the onboard keyboard is LARGE and will be better for guys with larger fingers, like me(which is why i always look for a phone with a large keyboard like my old phone- the G1 and Kaiser). lol- and the reason why the TP2 doesnt win in each event is because it doesnt match up with the Omnia 2. I forgot to add the OMNIA 2 has dedicated graphics processing for better video taking and gaming and watching video(beats TP2 in contrast- looks much better viewing videos from a larger, better, brighter screen) and with the faster processor you get faster multitasking! COME' ON!
OMNIA 2 wins all the way. HANDS DOWN!
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1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
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I agree on this
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2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
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I'll believe that when I'll see one myself... Everybody say that AMOLEDs screen are not good in direct sunlight tough.
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3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
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Equal !?!? The fact that we don't have to buy a pen stylus on the TP2 (because it's included) is maybe a minor point, but it's a + for TP2 ... don't you think ?
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4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
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Don't you think the Omnia 16gbs will cost more than 2gbs model ? Internal storage is not as important as you say... imo at least. I've paid 60$ for a 16 gb microsd 4 month ago (10 mbs transfert rate). But, considering that Omnia as more internal memoy, Samsung wins ...
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5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
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I agree with on this. Samsung definitely wins this one. But I own a panasonic ZS3 digital camera (its a small point&shoot camera) that can record 720p vids with extremely good quality, so I don't really care about the camera on the cellphone
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5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
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Honestly, touchflo 3d is a hell of a good interface...
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6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
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TELUS TP2 has a 3.5mm headphone jack (every CDMA TP2 might have one). So if you own a CDMA version, it's equal, and if you own a GSM version, samsung wins. (Mine is a TELUS' )
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7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
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I agree x100 .. The keyboard, the dual speaker and the dual mic are must-have for every business users in mind.
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8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
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I don't know the battery life on Omnia so I can't comment this one. Anyway, the battery can be replaced by more powerful one. Both are not damn Iphones
So, if a little bit more colorful screen, faster cpu, more internal storage and better camera (which has only 1.8 mpx more btw) is every for you, go for Omnia. Otherwise, if a perfect keyboard with a tilting screen, dual speakers, dual mics with noise cancelling, CDMA & GSM on the same phone (woldwide edition which I own), then go for the TP2.
Both are extremely good cellphones ! This is only my opinion, nothing more
Did i mention, internal storage means faster loading of apps, files, music, videos, etc- way faster than any micro sd slot which is why flash memory devices are prefered over devices not built with internal storage. Combine the internal storage speed and the fast 800mhz cpu you have super fast rendering of pics, music, video, browsing web, opening apps, opening and editing word documents, excel, pdfs, powerpoint, inventory apps, etc(for business and multimedia freaks). And it has a micro sd slot! The camera also have dual flash and the amoled screen has a faster response time. But when i look at a phone the keyboard, dual speakers and mics, and tilting screen is somewhat important(keyboard is very important) but the dual speakers only work in conference calls.
So if you want people in the streets, malls, house, video store, etc to hear what you want to say then they arent as relevant as one may think. Since they both run WM6.1, the question is- do you want a faster, longer lasting, better, larger, brighter screen, with working FM radio(right out of the box), with better mulimedia functions then the OMNIA 2 is for you. If you want a slower(in compariso to the OMNIA 2), less multimediaish, with a keyboard(excellent), lesser screen (in comparison to OMNIA 2), without working FM radio then the Touch Pro 2 is for you.
To put simply, The Omnia 2 is an iphone with multitasking ability, and advance WM user interface for advanced calendar, to-do list, phone capabilities IMO.
I have read that OLED's are better outdoors, but the little I've seen from previews/reviews on the OMNIAII say that the screen has poor sunlight visibility.
Secondly, if you use a stylus, then having an external one is not the same. It means one more thing to carry, possibly lose, and using a normal pen isn't a good idea (they're not made to prevent scratches on touch screens and can leave ink stains which might take a while to remove). And if you choose to have a stylus dangling from your phone like with the Toshiba G01, it kinda ruins the sleek factor.
What's with the "Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!"? Okay, .1 inches larger, it's better, but not a huge difference, and the resolution is the SAME.
And a slight correction: the dual speakers only work in a conference call, sure, but the dual mics can do their noise cancelling magic in conference calls (you can even choose the level of noise cancellation) and on normal calls, meaning that they DO help in malls, streets, house, video store, etc.
The video recording might be better, but it is NOT nearHD, 480p is VGA or D1 (DVD quality).
I agree that the Samsung Omnia II is better in some respects, but one poster said you were biased, and though maybe you're not, it seems so due to the enthusiasm and slight exagerrations in some cases (I said slight).
And one thing that I find shocking is the observation on phonarena that despite the more powerful processor of the OMNIAII, the homescreen lags, a lot, regularly. As shown in the quote on wmpowerusers:
Despite the beefed up processing power the spinning WinMo beach ball still pops up at times and this is most noticeable on the homescreen. Within the menus we rarely saw it, but flicking from homepage to homepage produces a 5-10 second delay while waiting for the widgets to load, which is infuriating. The widgets are a great idea, and some of them (like AccuWeather and Google) are very helpful, but it’s just not quick enough. Furthermore, we often found ourselves pressing options two and three times to activate them and not being able to drag widgets around unless they were pressed just right. This problem was only in the homescreen (here we really missed HTC’s TouchFLO 3D), throughout the rest of the phone it was very responsive and accurat
The OMNIAII does have the advantage in various fields. But not in all, so in the end it will be up to the individual user what he or she prefers.
Tell me guys.
Went from a tytn2 to a Raphael...
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
Never used a Hero.
The TP2 from T-Mobile is hands-down the best WM-based device I've ever had my paws on. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.....
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Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
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Do you want a Windows Mobile phone with a brilliant physical keyboard and lots of neat business features that also does a reasonable job of multimedia, or do you want an Android-powered, multimedia-oriented device with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch, and which also does a reasonable job of business-oriented stuff? The two are really very different. It would make more sense to be having trouble deciding between a Hero an iPhone - they're much more similar in philosophy (IMO).
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
I was also thinking weather to go for hero or the touch pro2 but the touch pro2 has an amazing keyboard and watching movies on it look pretty impressive and i dont mind it not using a 3.5 mm jack as i use a stereo bluetooth headset. So i went for the touch pro2 and WOW im glad i did, im writing this from my touch pro 2 now.
It also has a reasonably good stock rom, the stock rom on my wizard was hopeless and if it wasnt for xda-developers i would never of had it for so long.
TP2 definetly, because the hardware keyboard that for me is a must!
The telephone conferencing and voice features are really good. Easy to setup and to use. Sound is good too. Credit to HTC for adding features that are fundamental to a what a good business phone should have.
I really don't like the way the Hero looks. Just for that I would go with the TP2.
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i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
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capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
I got the Tmobile Touch Pro2 and I am very happy with it - awesome screen size and acceptable thickness for a fullsize keyboard. hulu.com on skyfire for this screensize totally rocks. I have heard that the flash browser of Hero is slow, but then again - it hasn't been XDA-fied yet (not that I know of, anyway).
But I am in the same boat as you - want the Hero too!!!
Good news is that I have a work ATT phone that will be up for renewal in October, hopefully when the Hero comes in!
Can't really help you with your choice except say - go to the Tmobile store and see the TMobile touch pro2 in person.
And don't count out the diamond2 either.
It truly is a great time to have HTC shares....hmmm maybe I should be looking into that! lol!
poppinpengawen said:
capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
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Resistive screens need to be pressed quite hard, while capacitive ones only need to be touched lightly. Capacitive screens tend to be more responsive, so they will probably track your finger better when scrolling, and there's less likely to be any ambiguity about whether you've pressed something or not. But the most significant difference (aside from the fact that you can't use a stylus with a capacitive screen) is that a capacitive screen, given appropiate OS support, can support multi-touch - that is, it can detect being pressed in more than one place at once.
So, on the Hero and iPhone if you're running (say) Google Earth, you can rotate the map by putting your thumb and forefinger on the screen and twisting your hand. You can also zoom in and out by putting thumb and forefinger either side of a section of the screen, then moving them together or apart. This is much more convenient and intuitive than the TP2's zoom bar.
Macedon2000 said:
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
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A jail-broken iPhone is actually pretty flexible.
I almost bought an iPhone rather than a TP2. It was really only the cost that put me off in the end. (Not the absolute cost, but it's too expensive for what it is). The user-interface design on an iPhone really is beautiful - it's not just that everything works, it's that everything works intuitively and quickly and neatly. The lack of a physical keyboard was also a problem for me (as I'm rather clumsy and have short, fat fingers) but the on-screen keyboard on an iPhone is the best I've seen; and the lower resolution of the screen (on iPhone or Hero) niggles a bit - for mobile web-browsing the extra screen res on a TP2 or Diamond2 really makes a difference for reading small text.
The call quality is also very good on a TP2 - I need phones to be clear and loud as I'm partially deaf. People hear you very clearly on the TP2 as well, thanks to the high-quality soise-cancelling microphones.