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Hi,
This may be a vague question, but it would be interesting to see what people have to say - perhaps with some contributions who have bought any First Gen Win Phone 7.
Given that specifications on paper & hardware mostly the same -
1. Is performance variable between differing handsets
2. What physical features of the handset make it appealing to you? With this regards, whats your ideal Win Mo 7 handset from the current available?
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Hmmm for me I choose the display over storage space. For my omina7 there's only 8gb version. But the display when put aside with the other model convince me to get it.
Also the build quality of it is quite nice.
It was a breath of fresh air when the Omnia was officially announced, mainley because of its original design and super nice screen.
The hd7 on the other hand just seemed like another rush job from HTC, not really doing anything different from the hd2, evo, desirehd...
Though I have yet to play with a WP7 device in person, the Venue Pro is the phone for me. I had my heart set on the Mozart at first, but a couple things changed my mind.
- I'm sick of HTC cutting corners lately. Every blog/post I've seen about the Venue has been very positive about the device's build quality.
- I don't want a 4.3 inch screen. I've always wanted something a bit smaller. 4.1 is perfect, in my opinion.
- A portrait keyboard is good and bad. Good because one hand texting is very easy. Bad because it kind of ruins any emulation/gaming experience that could take advantage of a landscape keyboard.
- Removable storage. WP7 doesn't allow using the phones as a thumb drive. Problem solved on the Venue. Upgradable storage.
- AMOLED. This is strictly my opinion. I much prefer deeper blacks and more vibrant color over bleeding and washed out color. I loved my Nexus One's display.
- Huge factor here.. the stereo speakers! I've been told they sound great and not nearly as tinny as HTC's devices. Also, the volume can be maxed out without the slightest hint of crackling.
- Camera. I dunno if it'll be any good, but I can't stand the low quality crap HTC continues to use. I'm ready for something new.
* The size kind of worries me.
* The chrome trim looks cheap and is a fingerprint magnet.
Ive got an omnia 7 had it for 2 weeks and the only thing im dissapointed about is the 8GB storage. having said that i owned a touch diamond 2 for 18 months and lived 4GB so for me its an upgrade anyway, heres wha i think. in short, ( without having actually seen it in the flesh.
Dell Venue Pro depends if it has more than 8gb or an sd slot but mim now thinking this would be my choice if i wasnt so impatient to gte a wp7 device.
my list of things that make a good wp7 phone.
Super AMOLED screen - why? at first i didnt care about this `feature` until i put my omnia 7 up against a HTC HD7. it makes the HD7 screen look very poor indeed. once youve seen the difference in the flesh theres just no going back
NAND memory - looks like samsung has done a great job with this memory with tests proving that its faster than micro SD and performs better, if you can get a 16gb omnia would an awesome purchase.
4" Screen MINIMUM. one of the first things i wanted was a bigger screen than on my last phone, this will be especially useful when playing xbox live games such as rocket riot. on a smaller screen your thumbs will be covering up a lot of playable space.
Windows Live ID - if you havnt got one get one, WP7 integration is awesome, you can use email,zune and xbox live with this.
ericc191 said:
Though I have yet to play with a WP7 device in person, the Venue Pro is the phone for me. I had my heart set on the Mozart at first, but a couple things changed my mind.
- Removable storage. WP7 doesn't allow using the phones as a thumb drive. Problem solved on the Venue.
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How is it solved on the Dell???
One of the main things that made me decide on an HD7 was the screen size as I use Sharepoint pretty much every day and having that extra size is great.
if the venue pro was on at&t I would get it...but since it's not I want the samsung focus...which is just as great a phone IMO
Interesting views. I had a look at some of the phones suggested and did think that the Dell Venue looks quite impressive. Perhaps too thick tbh.
I like my phones slim and light - the most lightest I found so far is SAMSUNG focus - any thoughts on that?!
Samsung Omnia 7 looks the smartest I think - but a bit of Iphone copying going on with the button!
Additionally, I like to have all buttons as hardware. Thats one thing I hated about my HTC HD.
For me the ideal WP7 phone:
* Storage (more than 16GB)
* NAND memory instead of poor SD cards
* battery life (should be more than 1 full day)
* hadware buttons (no sensitive buttons)
* S-AMOLED screen instead of bad S-LCD or LCD screen
* AND THE BEST: a slot for an additionnal SD Card
None of the current WP7 devices has a decent storage, except the LG and the Focus. I know it's a total deal-breaker for most people I know.
Regarding battery I'm becoming very tired of all these manufacturers that still cannot propose a decent battery lasting more than a couple of hours.
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How is it solved on the Dell???
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Well, for me, I'll be able to just take my SD card out and plug it into my computer. Copy whatever files I need to quickly and then slide it back into the phone.
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Well, for me, I'll be able to just take my SD card out and plug it into my computer. Copy whatever files I need to quickly and then slide it back into the phone.
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this actually isn't the case. once a microSD card goes into a windows phone, it becomes unreadable by any other product as it turns it into a form of uniformity with it's current onbuilt memory so that the OS only sees 1 storage unit. Hence why a hard reset is required when you put in a different microSD card.
if you wish to have files accessible, use your PC and Windows Live Mesh (available through Essentials 2011, downloadable through Windows Update), and then just set up directories on your computer to auto sync to skydrive, and then when you need the file on the phone, it will download it off skydrive.
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this actually isn't the case. once a microSD card goes into a windows phone, it becomes unreadable by any other product as it turns it into a form of uniformity with it's current onbuilt memory so that the OS only sees 1 storage unit. Hence why a hard reset is required when you put in a different microSD card.
if you wish to have files accessible, use your PC and Windows Live Mesh (available through Essentials 2011, downloadable through Windows Update), and then just set up directories on your computer to auto sync to skydrive, and then when you need the file on the phone, it will download it off skydrive.
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Crap, you're right. I forgot. Keep reading the VP has removable storage, but it would still have to hard reset. Thanks for the reminder.
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Well, for me, I'll be able to just take my SD card out and plug it into my computer. Copy whatever files I need to quickly and then slide it back into the phone.
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Whatever would make you think you could do this? It's been stressed repeatedly since the March announcement that you can't do this
burnblue said:
Whatever would make you think you could do this? It's been stressed repeatedly since the March announcement that you can't do this
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It slipped my mind, chill.
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It slipped my mind, chill.
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My bad.
It is going to kind of suck not being able to throw files on the disk
burnblue said:
My bad.
It is going to kind of suck not being able to throw files on the disk
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Worse comes to worse, I'll just have to dust off my thumb drive. It's small enough to fit on my key chain.
arturobandini said:
For me the ideal WP7 phone:
* Storage (more than 16GB)
* NAND memory instead of poor SD cards
* battery life (should be more than 1 full day)
* hadware buttons (no sensitive buttons)
* S-AMOLED screen instead of bad S-LCD or LCD screen
* AND THE BEST: a slot for an additionnal SD Card
None of the current WP7 devices has a decent storage, except the LG and the Focus. I know it's a total deal-breaker for most people I know.
Regarding battery I'm becoming very tired of all these manufacturers that still cannot propose a decent battery lasting more than a couple of hours.
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I agree with you on all fronts here.
I could forgo the SD card slot if there was an option for 32 GB with NAND memory.
At the moment it's hard to lay down cash on these half baked versions.
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Worse comes to worse, I'll just have to dust off my thumb drive. It's small enough to fit on my key chain.
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Isn't Microsoft's solution to all of this SkyDrive? Your thumbdrive is in the cloud and it holds 25gb. You an access the files from your computer or phone. It should work well with the exception of using a school or work computer where the site is blocked.
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Isn't Microsoft's solution to all of this SkyDrive? Your thumbdrive is in the cloud and it holds 25gb. You an access the files from your computer or phone. It should work well with the exception of using a school or work computer where the site is blocked.
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I'll definitely give it a try, but downloading a large file will always be slower than copying it directly from my computer.
Well, my 30 day trial period of my Epic is just about up. Love the phone, no problems now that Froyo is on there, but the allure of new dual core phones is pretty tempting. What would you recommend: keep the Epic, or go back to my touch pro for a while and wait for the next gen phones?
Keep it.....
Faced with the same dilemma as you, I have decided to keep my phone.
1) I have customized the **** out of this phone, and it has basically become an extension of me. I don't want to part with it.
2) The AMOLED has captured my heart, and I can't look at regular lcd phones anymore.
3) I do NOT want to have to use my old phone again. Upgrading from WM6.1 to Android has been pleasant.
4) The Epic owns as far as hardware goes, and hopefully with Gingerbread, it will be able to run even faster.
I'd rather have the Epic NOW than a dual core LATER.
Let's see, we have:
1) Samsung Focus S announced by AT&T
2) Samsung Focus Flash announced by AT&T
3) Samsung Omnia 7 S (made up name) leaked by the FCC
All these seem to sport Super AMOLED screens which is great. We do need information on availability and storage options but the Focus S sounds very promising. Today I'm much more likely to buy a Samsung Mango phone over a HTC.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-SGH-i708-hits-the-FCC-a-WP-Mango-remake-of-the-Omnia-7_id21955
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/12/samsung-focus-focus-flash-headed-att-windows-phone-7-mango-on-board/
Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Super excited for the Focus S, assuming at least 24 GB will be available. Now, let's see what else will be coming out around that time...
@N8ter where did you get that 32GB info? Storage hasn't been mentioned. I hope it's a Worldwide phone unlike the first Focus.
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It's heresay. I have seen it mentioned by a few people at different sites. Sorry. That's why I put the "IIRC" part It's questionable.
If it has no 32GB option it'll be dead to me.
I'll buy a new iPod instead. Really, this is getting ridiculous.
I wonder if the new iPhone will have a 4" screen...
I spent about 2 grand on phones in 2010-2011. I'll be frugal for the next few years, so whatever phone I get in the next 1-3 months well... I'll just take a contract out cause I won't be giving anything else a try.
They better knock this **** out of the ballpark. Really, they're running out of chances and it's not like the issue of low storage in the devices wasn't a hot topic following the release of the 1st gen WP7 devices...
Though it voids the warranty WP7 are not hard to upgrade the memory. i'm being alittle hypocritical pointing this out, consdiering I bought a 32gb DVP when I could saved $100 getting a cheaper one with lower storage and upgrading. Prior to the DVP comingto AT&T I also got an HTC surround over the LG b/c of storage, though I prefer physical keyboards.
It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
That's like saying it's not hard to remove the battery from an iPhone, in many cases.
$100 to go from 15 to 32G when you can be absolutely assured that it will work correctly is worth it. Many of us would have paid that, but we didn't get the choice - at all.
The DVP didn't have a 32G option until many months after it was released. For the first 6 months or so all Dell Had were 8 and 16 GB options.
Plus that device only has 256MB RAM, IIRC, which is a showstopper for me. Not to mention the camera on it is beyond terrible.
No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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This time around I'm a little undecided. I'm leaning towards the Focus S, but I would consider the Titan too. I would like to have a physical keyboard as well, but it seems all of the Mango devices aren't available with that option. I guess I might hold out for a little while, but I would like to upgrade before the end of the year.
macjr82 said:
No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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Good to hear. Thanks for correcting that.
The Omnia W has been officially announced today. If anyone can find full specs, please post them
http://wmpoweruser.com/new-samsung-windows-phone-device-omnia-w-announced/
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/samsung-announces-wp7-omnia-w-62211163.htm
Here are the specs: http://sammyhub.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-mango-os-running-omnia-w/
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
george232 said:
No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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Supposedly it has lower specs so that it is priced competitively, makes total sense to me since they're already releasing the Focus S with SAMOLED+ and a 4.3" screen.
Jesus, these announcements are going to turn me into a WP7 hater soon.
Just what's wrong with these OEMs? Why in the world do they equate high end with oversized screens?
I'm don't want to go any bigger than 4", but 8GB of storage and PenTile? Screw it.
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It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
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There's a pretty easy to follow guide to change the HD7's SD Card without voiding warranty. Don't have to take out the screw with the void warranty sticker on it & can move the tape out of the way pretty easily. That being said, never done it, because of the compatibility issues with SD Cards & WP7.
I was thinking about waiting and getting the Note 3 when its cheap and value drops. Sadly android phones don't hold value well but in this case its to my benefit. However, Im really disappointed in Samsung with the speed of their updates. My note 2 is still on 4.1.2 for the longest time and it gets annoying. You could flash AOSP ROMS but you lose the Samsung Features. Now 4.4 is out and even the Note 3 is on 4.3 and will take a while before it sees 4.4. The note 2 may never even see 4.4 or it will take a very long time. Starting to think of other manufacturers in the future if this continues.But I love the S-Pen !!!
HTC on the other hand seems to be stepping up their game.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-galaxy-nexus-kitkat/
In my opinion Samsung needs to step up their game. What do you guys think about the speed of updates from Samsung ?
Comments on Android phones holding value also welcome.
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HTC just dropped theirs while we have to wait until December 3. Not bad but I blame the cell carriers. Besides we already have a thread for this topic.
Yes Samsung does not update their phones fast but at least does not intentionally give you an update to to make your phone slower like apple does withe their updates.
Plus what other phone manufacturer does update their phone often enough.
HTC is nice, like the interface way better that touchwiz, but you cant switch battery or add micro sd card. My first android phone was the first HTC Evo. Has Battery swap and micro SD Card, then I got the HTC one S actually like it more then the GS3 but running out of memory and battery on the new HTC was to much for me to deal with on a daily basis. Then got the GS3 good phone, now on Note 2 and loving the Jedi X-20.
You are right what you say but really what are other manufacture options?
My next phone will be a phablet again but from who I don't know yet.
I think im going for the next phablet that has great camera, that will sway my decision big time. LG is starting to get my attention.
Have not really seen any great reviews about the Note 3 camera, maybe it not that good. So lets see what Note 4 has to offer in another 6+ months.
about Android 4.4 seems Samsung will never update a phone with latest android untill it releases a new phone with it first. So we have to see what phone from samsung get kitkat then we'll start seeing updates to older models.
just my 2 cents.
pvaldeben said:
Yes Samsung does not update their phones fast but at least does not intentionally give you an update to to make your phone slower like apple does withe their updates.
Plus what other phone manufacturer does update their phone often enough.
HTC is nice, like the interface way better that touchwiz, but you cant switch battery or add micro sd card. My first android phone was the first HTC Evo. Has Battery swap and micro SD Card, then I got the HTC one S actually like it more then the GS3 but running out of memory and battery on the new HTC was to much for me to deal with on a daily basis. Then got the GS3 good phone, now on Note 2 and loving the Jedi X-20.
You are right what you say but really what are other manufacture options?
My next phone will be a phablet again but from who I don't know yet.
I think im going for the next phablet that has great camera, that will sway my decision big time. LG is starting to get my attention.
Have not really seen any great reviews about the Note 3 camera, maybe it not that good. So lets see what Note 4 has to offer in another 6+ months.
about Android 4.4 seems Samsung will never update a phone with latest android untill it releases a new phone with it first. So we have to see what phone from samsung get kitkat then we'll start seeing updates to older models.
just my 2 cents.
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Yeah your right hopefully some manufacturers come out with a good phablet that has some good pen features sometimes soon. Would take a look at other phablets with no pen if they were good enough.
I have a tab 3 7.0 and need the OTG ability for gaming, I am debating on getting another tablet and getting rid of this one. I am currently looking at either a tab 3 8.0 or nexus 7. The nexus would be a no brainer except for the lack of a sd card slot. I know you can use the cable and hook up a external drive but that would be combersome. So I guess I need to know if there is any possibility of the tab 3 7.0 getting the ability to use OTG or should I look into getting another one.
Also would the Nexus be a better choice or the 8.0 tab. Both are about the same price and comparable they both have their strong points. Larger screen available internal sd card vs better resolution and quicker access to upgrades. I have a GS4 as a phone and like the Samsung.
tbone22 said:
I have a tab 3 7.0 and need the OTG ability for gaming, I am debating on getting another tablet and getting rid of this one. I am currently looking at either a tab 3 8.0 or nexus 7. The nexus would be a no brainer except for the lack of a sd card slot. I know you can use the cable and hook up a external drive but that would be combersome. So I guess I need to know if there is any possibility of the tab 3 7.0 getting the ability to use OTG or should I look into getting another one.
Also would the Nexus be a better choice or the 8.0 tab. Both are about the same price and comparable they both have their strong points. Larger screen available internal sd card vs better resolution and quicker access to upgrades. I have a GS4 as a phone and like the Samsung.
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This isnt the response you were looking for but what does OTG mean. Just got the tab and not really enjoying the preformance with the Iron Man game.
OTG means on the go it is the ability to plug a USB device into the charging port of your phone. Ie a mouse, keyboard, flash drive or in my case a psi or xbox controller.
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OTG means on the go it is the ability to plug a USB device into the charging port of your phone. Ie a mouse, keyboard, flash drive or in my case a psi or xbox controller.
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Thanks for the reply.
From what I can understand, no. Don't take me as the final answer though I am no expert.
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Im no expert either, but I had the Asus Nexus 7 32gb before I had my Galaxy Tab 3 8.
I love removable media. 32gb filled up fast with music and movies. It wasn't that huge a deal,
but now that I have the Tab 3 I feel better and roomier...
I had OTG with my Nexus and it was great and worked perfectly. I was not aware I could not do the
same with the Tab 3. Ill look into it. The OTG came in handy once in awhile. Not a deal breaker but nice
to have.
Hands down, the 7" screen of the Nexus isn't even close to the 8" of the Tab 3. I feel like I have
the full use of the screen with the Tab, while the Nexus had bigger borders. Its more enjoyable with the
bigger screen. Seems clearer and more vibrant.
Speed felt the same. I ROM'd both, and they were equal with APKs and mods and such, so honestly neither one
was better than the other in real world use. Im sure benchmarks and quadrant scores might say different
but it all seemed the same to me. Battery life seemed the same too, but since I never drained the battery
entirely in a day, I was always able to easily recharge both when needed.
I had the Nexus 7 for a year, and the Tab 3 for a month now. Both were great, but I feel like I got a nice
worthwhile upgrade with the Tab 3 8.
Just my pennies worth. Hope it helps
EDIT: I know my signature and my devices make it look like Im a Samsung fanboy, but it only turned out that way in the
last few months. Ive had them all, and all different brands over the last few years. If someone makes something better
I have no issue with switching...
Latheman said:
From what I can understand, no. Don't take me as the final answer though I am no expert.
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Im no expert either, but I had the Asus Nexus 7 32gb before I had my Galaxy Tab 3 8.
I love removable media. 32gb filled up fast with music and movies. It wasn't that huge a deal,
but now that I have the Tab 3 I feel better and roomier...
I had OTG with my Nexus and it was great and worked perfectly. I was not aware I could not do the
same with the Tab 3. Ill look into it. The OTG came in handy once in awhile. Not a deal breaker but nice
to have.
Hands down, the 7" screen of the Nexus isn't even close to the 8" of the Tab 3. I feel like I have
the full use of the screen with the Tab, while the Nexus had bigger borders. Its more enjoyable with the
bigger screen. Seems clearer and more vibrant.
Speed felt the same. I ROM'd both, and they were equal with APKs and mods and such, so honestly neither one
was better than the other in real world use. Im sure benchmarks and quadrant scores might say different
but it all seemed the same to me. Battery life seemed the same too, but since I never drained the battery
entirely in a day, I was always able to easily recharge both when needed.
I had the Nexus 7 for a year, and the Tab 3 for a month now. Both were great, but I feel like I got a nice
worthwhile upgrade with the Tab 3 8.
Just my pennies worth. Hope it helps
EDIT: I know my signature and my devices make it look like Im a Samsung fanboy, but it only turned out that way in the
last few months. Ive had them all, and all different brands over the last few years. If someone makes something better
I have no issue with switching...
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Thanks that is what I was looking for. By the way the tab 3 8 does have OTG capabilities they even sell the cable on Samsung website for the 8.
Great. Didn't know that. I'll check out and confirm the otg tonight. Thanks
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I can confirm that OTG works on the Tab 3 8.
Im rooted using Fast Dreams ROM with the Galatab kernel.
I used Stickmount 2.3.1 from the Playstore also.
And just got a normal OTG cable from a generic website (it was NOT a Samsung cable).
I didn't do anything else.
Good luck
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Great. Didn't know that. I'll check out and confirm the otg tonight. Thanks
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roninep said:
I can confirm that OTG works on the Tab 3 8.
Im rooted using Fast Dreams ROM with the Galatab kernel.
I used Stickmount 2.3.1 from the Playstore also.
And just got a normal OTG cable from a generic website (it was NOT a Samsung cable).
I didn't do anything else.
Good luck
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I can also confirm that the tab 3 8 supports otg out of the box without any mods, also tab 2 7 support s otg.