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I currently own an iPhone 4 32GB on AT&T and I am considering a Windows Phone 7 device. Should I go ahead and sell my iPhone and purchase a device? I currently own a Zune (which I am selling) with a Zune Subscription (which I plan on keeping) and I am looking into selling my PS3 for an XBOX 360.
I have a lot of music, so that's what I do most. I also text and use the internet a lot, as well as check email. I also use Pandora quite a bit too (though with the Zune marketplace on the phone, probably not as much). I play games, but not often. I love the battery life of my iPhone. I also have an Otterbox to protect it's beauty. I am also a big fan of its screen and resolution. I use my phone as a camera too. Also, I want better navigation than what I currently get on my iPhone, which is MapQuest 4 (since the iPhone Maps sucks for navigation).
I have been considering the Samsung Focus, HTC Surround, and the LG Quantum. Are there more for AT&T I should consider? I really like the Dell Venue Pro, but it seems like it's not offered for AT&T.
So, what do you guys think? Should I jump ship? By the way, I LOVED the Zune and it's interface, if that helps.
Well really the only one who can decide is you. I'd head to a mobile store and just play with one until they kick you out. I have an LG Quantum, here are some thoughts:
-the software keyboard is. a-may-zing. I can type almost as fast on it as i can with two hands on a desktop. Bar none, the best I've ever used. If you text, this will blow you away. It just knows what you meant to type
-the zune player leaves a LOT to be desired, sound quality wise. wp7 needs an eq app soon. It'll get one, but for now, expect a flat sound. Very dissappointing.
-I don't know why I'm reading bad things about it, but the new IE is so fast it's overwhelming. It renders things very very quickly. Better than my wife's iPhone.
-the interface and UI is awesome. It's honestly the next step in smartphone software. Very impressive especially once you get used to it
-great Facebook integration. It adds all your Facebook/SIM contacts/hotmail contacts to one "contacts" app. Which at first sounds like too much. But after using it, I never want to go back. If I want to get a hold of anyone I've ever met, no matter from where, they're in my contacts hub. I can then choose to email them, post on their wall, text them, or call them. It's so quick and easy
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Well really the only one who can decide is you. I'd head to a mobile store and just play with one until they kick you out. I have an LG Quantum, here are some thoughts:
-the software keyboard is. a-may-zing. I can type almost as fast on it as i can with two hands on a desktop. Bar none, the best I've ever used. If you text, this will blow you away. It just knows what you meant to type
-the zune player leaves a LOT to be desired, sound quality wise. wp7 needs an eq app soon. It'll get one, but for now, expect a flat sound. Very dissappointing.
-I don't know why I'm reading bad things about it, but the new IE is so fast it's overwhelming. It renders things very very quickly. Better than my wife's iPhone.
-the interface and UI is awesome. It's honestly the next step in smartphone software. Very impressive especially once you get used to it
-great Facebook integration. It adds all your Facebook/SIM contacts/hotmail contacts to one "contacts" app. Which at first sounds like too much. But after using it, I never want to go back. If I want to get a hold of anyone I've ever met, no matter from where, they're in my contacts hub. I can then choose to email them, post on their wall, text them, or call them. It's so quick and easy
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I have a question on the sound. Is it comparable to the Zune, better or worse? What about in comparison to the iPhone?
I want to play with it but work and college kind of get in the way.
Like said above, go into a store and play with one. I'm gonna have to agree to everything sure said, windows phone 7 is amazing..the user interface is incredible. I've only had my HD7 for 4 days and I can't put it down. It's so smooth, the social integration with Facebook and your contacts is genius. Go play with one I doubt you'll be dissapointed
mariolopezjr said:
I currently own an iPhone 4 32GB on AT&T and I am considering a Windows Phone 7 device. Should I go ahead and sell my iPhone and purchase a device? I currently own a Zune (which I am selling) with a Zune Subscription (which I plan on keeping) and I am looking into selling my PS3 for an XBOX 360.
I have a lot of music, so that's what I do most. I also text and use the internet a lot, as well as check email. I also use Pandora quite a bit too (though with the Zune marketplace on the phone, probably not as much). I play games, but not often. I love the battery life of my iPhone. I also have an Otterbox to protect it's beauty. I am also a big fan of its screen and resolution. I use my phone as a camera too. Also, I want better navigation than what I currently get on my iPhone, which is MapQuest 4 (since the iPhone Maps sucks for navigation).
I have been considering the Samsung Focus, HTC Surround, and the LG Quantum. Are there more for AT&T I should consider? I really like the Dell Venue Pro, but it seems like it's not offered for AT&T.
So, what do you guys think? Should I jump ship? By the way, I LOVED the Zune and it's interface, if that helps.
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With that list. Go for it. Now your decision boils down to which one.
Zune player sounds just fine. He must have really bad headphones or something. But it's at the very least on par with the iPhone if not better.
However, OP, I recommend you stick with the iPhone 4 for now. Several reasons.
WP7 is currently bug infested. You should probably wait and see how and if Microsoft is going to deal with it. You also should generally wait until Mango to see whether WP7 will take off or not. It's a bit of a gamble as of right now.
If you insist on taking the chance with WP7, I recommend you wait for Nokia's WP7 phones. The current hardware is pretty good but Nokia phones will probably have nice exclusives and, if they base them on the concepts, will be the sexiest phones out there.
All signals essentially point to 'wait.'
Based on friends of mine who have made the jump, I'd say go for it. They all love the UX on Phone 7 and while the platform does miss some functionality today it's not something that you will notice on a daily basis.
In the end though, it's a question only you can answer, so I'll agree with most others here and tell you to go have a play with it in store.
I have been a long term Windows phone user (version 5, 6.1 and 6.5). Unfortunately my current MDA Vario has developed a speaker problem and I'm forced to get a new phone (T Mobile have previously 'fixed' the problem which has now returned)
What you tend to forget is that you shouldn't buy an operating system - you purchese functionality. The key thing is whether the phone can satisfy all your requirements.
As for me, Windows 7 doesn't currently satisfy 3 key requirements:
1. No internet tethering out of the box (you have to really delve down to make this work)
2. No turn by turn navigation
4. No decent ebook reader which can read either lit or mobi format (although the Kindle application has been issued, there is no easy way to load my old books which I haven't purchased from Amazon). All in all I'm very disappointed that MS Reader has not been upgraded
As a mainly business user, I'm not really too interested in Zune or Games and am a bit unhappy about syncronisation via the cloud. As a haooy Napster user (supported in 6.5), I would have to swop to Zune
So what have I decided. I have gone ahead and purchased a used HTC Diamon Pro 2 running 6.5. This will do everything I want and I will wait until Windows 7 finally catches up.
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1. No internet tethering out of the box (you have to really delve down to make this work)
2. No turn by turn navigation
4. No decent ebook reader which can read either lit or mobi format (although the Kindle application has been issued, there is no easy way to load my old books which I haven't purchased from Amazon). All in all I'm very disappointed that MS Reader has not been upgraded
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1. While I understand what you're saying it really doesn't ring true with me. If you own a Samsung you can enable tethering in 15 or so taps (including entering all the numbers).
2. Really? I have turn-by-turn on my Omnia7. Works great too. AT&T also seem to be offering some sort of navigational package, as does several other carriers around the world.
I can't comment on the ebook reader situation as I find the phone too small to read large chunks of text on anyway, but your point seems valid enough.
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As a mainly business user, I'm ... a bit unhappy about syncronisation via the cloud.
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Really? What's your problem with the cloud exactly? Not being confrontational here, just wondering what, if any, gripes you have about using a secure always available filestore. I can understand some people not wanting to store their confidential documents on a random SkyDrive, but as a business you can run a locked down Sharepoint server locally.
I moved from a 32gb iPhone 4 to a Samsung Focus on the basis of the strength of the Zune platform. There have been drawbacks to moving over to such a new platform (marketplace bug being one main one, lack of apps being another) but also benefits such as the close facebook integration, UI, live tiles and above all, the zune integration.
I've had no sense that the zune player quality is worse (nor better) than the iphone. The desktop client and zunepass blow iTunes away. There really is no comparison.
I would play around with current phones, but as someone above said, you may want to wait and see if they announce any Nokia phones in the April timeframe (MIX 11). Although I guess the resale value of the iP4 will decline after the iP4s/5 gets released this summer.
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Zune player sounds just fine. He must have really bad headphones or something. But it's at the very least on par with the iPhone if not better.
However, OP, I recommend you stick with the iPhone 4 for now. Several reasons.
WP7 is currently bug infested. You should probably wait and see how and if Microsoft is going to deal with it. You also should generally wait until Mango to see whether WP7 will take off or not. It's a bit of a gamble as of right now.
If you insist on taking the chance with WP7, I recommend you wait for Nokia's WP7 phones. The current hardware is pretty good but Nokia phones will probably have nice exclusives and, if they base them on the concepts, will be the sexiest phones out there.
All signals essentially point to 'wait.'
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A) No, my headphones are good quality. The PSP (generation ONE), and Samsung Omnia 2 blow it out of the water. They sound EQ'd, with presence and body. My Quantum just sounds flat.
B) After reading your post, you sound like a hater. So OP, please disregard his comments. Wp7 is not "bug ridden", it works just fine. Not sure why you insist on claiming getting a wp7 is "taking a chance". I think that description would be more apt to an Android phone, as the fragmentation has assured no one can tell which device will actually be good. As for wp7, there are hardware minimums across the board, and the software is smoother than silk. Haters gonna hate I suppose.
mariolopezjr said:
I currently own an iPhone 4 32GB on AT&T and I am considering a Windows Phone 7 device. Should I go ahead and sell my iPhone and purchase a device? I currently own a Zune (which I am selling) with a Zune Subscription (which I plan on keeping) and I am looking into selling my PS3 for an XBOX 360.
I have a lot of music, so that's what I do most. I also text and use the internet a lot, as well as check email. I also use Pandora quite a bit too (though with the Zune marketplace on the phone, probably not as much). I play games, but not often. I love the battery life of my iPhone. I also have an Otterbox to protect it's beauty. I am also a big fan of its screen and resolution. I use my phone as a camera too. Also, I want better navigation than what I currently get on my iPhone, which is MapQuest 4 (since the iPhone Maps sucks for navigation).
I have been considering the Samsung Focus, HTC Surround, and the LG Quantum. Are there more for AT&T I should consider? I really like the Dell Venue Pro, but it seems like it's not offered for AT&T.
So, what do you guys think? Should I jump ship? By the way, I LOVED the Zune and it's interface, if that helps.
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No. You shouldn't, especially if you already have a Zune.
That's just my opinion.
I had almost the same exact decision to make a few weeks ago. I was going to upgrade and it was either the iPhone 4 or the Samsung Focus. I went with the Samsung Focus because I already have an iPad, but it truly is a great device. Theres some bug's with it, but I'm counting on Microsoft to fix them.
Things I like:
1. Camera button
2. Interface (duh)
3. Facebook integration (I like being able to add a contact and have it automatically pull in all that users information for me)
4. Nice keyboard (like it better than the iPhones, but it still has its gripes)
5. Zune Software instead of iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6. Bigger screen (Focus has a 4 inch screen and it is a big difference from the iPhone's small 3.5 inch screen)
7. Bing voice search (this is something I show all my friends. I can just say "hamburger" and it finds all the local hamburger joints around me wicked fast)
8. Flash support is coming (http://wmpoweruser.com/flash-10-2-incoming-but-no-wp7-date-announced/)
Things I don't like:
1. Marketplace is very slow, laggy, and unstable
2. Battery life isn't quite as good as the iPhone 4
3. Camera settings reset (this is not a feature Microsoft...)
4. Not as good browser (no html 5, different format that isn't quite as mobile friendly, no reordering of bookmarks).
5. Apps need PERMISSION to run under the lockscreen. If they don't even have this option they must be relaunched after you unlock your screen (why?!?!?!)
6. Less API support
7. No multitasking (will be coming this year though)
All in all make the jump as you have a 30 day period to return it (I'm still debating). If you keep it and you end up not liking it after awhile you will be just in time to upgrade to the iPhone 6 when it comes out in 2013 (possible benefit?)!
mariolopezjr said:
I have a question on the sound. Is it comparable to the Zune, better or worse? What about in comparison to the iPhone?
I want to play with it but work and college kind of get in the way.
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I've never used a Zune so I can't comment, but see my other post about comparing it to other devices. My wife has an iPhone, but I've never tested them side by side (that would include hooking each one up to itunes/zune and transferring the same song, etc... I'm just way too lazy for that, sorry, at least I'm being honest)
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4. Not as good browser (no html 5, different format that isn't quite as mobile friendly, no reordering of bookmarks).
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See, there it is. I've been surfing on my phone since I got it... never had a problem rendering any site. Unless you're going to some flash-laden bloatfest, I don't understand how you can't think that this IE is fantastic.
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1. While I understand what you're saying it really doesn't ring true with me. If you own a Samsung you can enable tethering in 15 or so taps (including entering all the numbers).
2. Really? I have turn-by-turn on my Omnia7. Works great too. AT&T also seem to be offering some sort of navigational package, as does several other carriers around the world.
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1. That's one phone on one carrier. That doesn't work. If you have T-Mobile the Samsung hack will not work. It's an outliar, and non-factor in the grand scheme of things.
2. No one in their right mind pays for Turn by Turn on a smartphone unless they need offline maps. Why pay $10 a month for Navigation when an HD2 can do it for free in Windows Mobile with the Bing App? Or an Android phone with Google Maps? $10 a month is a lot to pay just for Navigation.
The only carrier that makes sense for is Sprint, since they give away their Navigation features for free if you have their $69 (soon 79) plan. But Sprint currently has no WP7 devices.
I can't comment on the ebook reader situation as I find the phone too small to read large chunks of text on anyway, but your point seems valid enough.
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That's your opinion, but you have pinch to zoom and automatic text restructuring in these apps that make it trivial to read. This wouldn't be a big issue if Microsoft had decent Skydrive integration in the phone. In that case you'd just need to upload them to you skydrive and find an app that can read that file format. But that isn't coming for over 6 months...
Really? What's your problem with the cloud exactly? Not being confrontational here, just wondering what, if any, gripes you have about using a secure always available filestore. I can understand some people not wanting to store their confidential documents on a random SkyDrive, but as a business you can run a locked down Sharepoint server locally.
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Some people just like to have better control over their stuff. There's nothing wrong with it and he doesn't have to have a problem to have this specific qualm with any smartphone platform. They are all a bit too cloud-centric, IMO.
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See, there it is. I've been surfing on my phone since I got it... never had a problem rendering any site. Unless you're going to some flash-laden bloatfest, I don't understand how you can't think that this IE is fantastic.
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There are HTML5 Mobile websites that are much better to use than their desktop (or WAP) counterparts on a smartphone browser.
touch.facebook.com >>> facebook.com or m.facebook.com on a mobile browser - by far. That is just one example. There are dozens if not more. HTML5 support being missing is a strike. NOt saying they need to implement the entire HTML5 Draft Spec tomorrow, but launching with basically no support for it was not a good idea, IMO.
With Multi-Tasking and third party browsers this would not be an issue, though, since we'd probably have Opera or some other Mobile Browser (probably WebKit) ported to it. If Microsoft had implemented a dual (Trident + WebKit) rendering engine, that would have been a killer feature... With the ability to set defaults on a site by site basis, of course.
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1. That's one phone on one carrier. That doesn't work. If you have T-Mobile the Samsung hack will not work. It's an outliar, and non-factor in the grand scheme of things.
2. No one in their right mind pays for Turn by Turn on a smartphone unless they need offline maps. Why pay $10 a month for Navigation when an HD2 can do it for free in Windows Mobile with the Bing App? Or an Android phone with Google Maps? $10 a month is a lot to pay just for Navigation.
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1. I disagree as it's not only achievable on the Samsung handsets (of which there are actually 2 available), the LG ones are just as easy. HTC handsets can also tether but IIRC, yes, you do have to dwelwe a little deeper. Point is, out of the 9 launch handsets, 4 can tether by entering a few numbers onto the phone - so do what people did way back when, chose a device based on functionality rather than looks. Also, as a business user, get yourself an off contract device - it costs the same (or in many cases less) in the long run, but gives you more choice. Also, don't forget the world is a lot larger than the US, the Omnia7 can be had on pretty much any network you like in Europe - on-contract if you so please.
2. I don't pay. Navigon came free with my off-contract Omnia7. Sure, I had to spoof the Navigon http server for map downloads other than Austria, Germany, Liechtenstein and Switzerland, but there is no monthly fee. I realize some of the other carriers do charge you (ATT being one), but the point here is that there are options available to you. Regarding paying for navigation, as much as I love Bing (or even Google) maps due to its satellite imagery it's not, IMO, a replacement for a dedicated navigational tool ... yet, and looking at the sales statistics for these apps on the iPhone, most people seem to agree with me.
I'm not condoning the fact Bing did not have turn-by-turn out of the box, far from it, but to broadly say "No turn-by-turn" available and use that as one of three reasons for dropping the OS is just wrong.
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That's your opinion, but you have pinch to zoom and automatic text restructuring in these apps that make it trivial to read.
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Of course it's my opinion. Pinch to zoom or text reflow makes no difference to me, I still don't like reading books on a 4" display. That's what tablets are for IMO. Like I said though, I wasn't really commenting on it and agreed that his point was valid.
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Some people just like to have better control over their stuff.
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Better control? How can you have better control than a correctly configured and secured Sharepoint server hosted by yourself? Sure, you could live in the old days and manually copy files on and off your phone, forever wondering if that really was the final version or the second to last draft or whether your colleague had amended it between your last sync and the presentation, but really. Are you serious?
Using your phone as a mass storage device was never a good idea - it was a stop-gap measure because at the time it was invented/popular we didn't have S3 or properly configured corporate networks that allowed users access on-the-go.
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See, there it is. I've been surfing on my phone since I got it... never had a problem rendering any site. Unless you're going to some flash-laden bloatfest, I don't understand how you can't think that this IE is fantastic.
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I'm not saying its a bad browser, it is in fact very good, but not quite as polished as iOS's Safari browser. I like to organize my bookmarks from most used -> least used, but WP7 only organizes them alphabetically. iOS use's WebKit for its browser which is more supported than IE's rendering engine (what is it?). If you go to gmail for example you will get a hampered down dump phone mobile view (this is simply for example, other sites do this as well).
Yeah, ironically IE renders mobile sites way worse than Android or iPhone. The websites are partly to blame because of course they have had lots of time to optimize for those platforms. I don't mind the rendering of full sites... sometimes the font sizes are way off, but overall not bad and at least it's quick.
All in all the browsing experience is not as good as the other mobile platforms. I've got high hopes that IE9 fixes that.
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Hey everyone I just wanted to point out that Google Music works in IE9 in Mango ! It only works on 7112 or higher though. I dont know how many people already know this but I think I should just point it out . The best thing is you dont need to be in the browser to listen to your music !
Yes it does work Just tried it on my Omnia 7 with 7720.
I thought it used flash to play the songs...
But only the pause/play button works, not previous/next.
From what I remember, it won't move on to the next track in the playlist/album while the browser isn't open.
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From what I remember, it won't move on to the next track in the playlist/album while the browser isn't open.
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Yes, but considering it's a website designed for the desktop it's pretty good.
But anyway, I find Google Music very useless, since it's MY OWN MUSIC, that I already have stored on the phone :|
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Yes, but considering it's a website designed for the desktop it's pretty good.
But anyway, I find Google Music very useless, since it's MY OWN MUSIC, that I already have stored on the phone :|
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Well, its pretty nice if u have an 8 gig phone and are running out of space
I'm running 7.10.7712.60 in a 1.3v Samsung Focus. I tried to play a song and it states I need to install flash. What am I missing?
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I'm running 7.10.7712.60 in a 1.3v Samsung Focus. I tried to play a song and it states I need to install flash. What am I missing?
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flash？I think mango only can use html5
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jotapm said:
Yes, but considering it's a website designed for the desktop it's pretty good.
But anyway, I find Google Music very useless, since it's MY OWN MUSIC, that I already have stored on the phone :|
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did you not notice the "free" section ?
also, uploading from your computer means streaming THAT library to your phone... anywhere and saving that measely 8gb of space for important stuff like Microsoft Premium Wow Zing Edition 2012 superlative Edition. documents. or whatever.
Yay.
More ways to consume ridiculous amounts of data and bring the network to a grinding halt (wifi OR 3g).
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Yay.
More ways to consume ridiculous amounts of data and bring the network to a grinding halt (wifi OR 3g).
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well, the data has to come from somewhere... insufficient storage or insufficient bandwidth, it gives the user another choise. choise is good.
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well, the data has to come from somewhere... insufficient storage or insufficient bandwidth, it gives the user another choise. choise is good.
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Choice isn't good when you're destroying the bandwidth of the network to others' detriment. That's exactly why FUPs have to be used.
can't imagine that google music would be easy on bandwidth
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Choice isn't good when you're destroying the bandwidth of the network to others' detriment. That's exactly why FUPs have to be used.
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if you're sold 4g, or 3g when you sign the contract, the ISPshould have enough capacity to handle each and every customer using what they were sold. if they do not, they are not being truthful in their advertising, or their contracts.
I have zero sympathy for isps that oversell and under deliver.
Yes, which is why most contracts have a FUP, so that they can do that.
It's just a shame that some users have some ridiculous expectation that they should have infinite access to the finite network resources, which results in the overall network becoming bogged down.
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if you're sold 4g, or 3g when you sign the contract, the ISPshould have enough capacity to handle each and every customer using what they were sold. if they do not, they are not being truthful in their advertising, or their contracts.
I have zero sympathy for isps that oversell and under deliver.
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Yes, which is why most contracts have a FUP, so that they can do that.
It's just a shame that some users have some ridiculous expectation that they should have infinite access to the finite network resources, which results in the overall network becoming bogged down.
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unlimited 4g is what is being sold. it either is, or it isn't. of late isps are charging MORE for 1.5gb data contracts than they were for "unlimited" a couple of years ago.
if they ever update the supporting towers and backends servers, I could see your point. as it is, att can't handle all their contracted subscribers, nor tmo, nor any isp.
then they act as though they're doing everyone a favor for throttling users, who were SOLD on the idea of unlimited. "unlimited" is a fairly self explanitary word, no asterisk required, nor should it be allowed. truth in advertising... that's all I want.
I'm getting the impression that AT&T in the US are very much like 3 over here in the UK - oversell for a cheap price and then don't support properly.
Unfortunately I can't speak for the US, but here in the UK there are regulations and laws governing advertising, and already mobile phone networks are being forced to make FUPs more prominent - in fact, "Unlimited*" is pretty much gone from UK mobile networks - you either get true Unlimited or a clearly stated limit.
The point of a Fair Use Policy is exactly that - to ensure everyone on the network acts fairly. If you are automatically charged for exceeding a FUP then you need to challenge it, but if you routinely exceed it then you'll be charged, naturally.
Essentially a FUP is the networks way of saying "Use as much data as you like, but if you take the piss and it starts affecting the network performance, we'll start charging you more" - generally FUPs are WAY higher than the data you would use from heavy use web browsing, they are designed more to discourage sitting there watching hours of video over a mobile connection, when you really should either be on WiFi or keep the video on internal storage.
Yep, it's works
What can we do to get GW accepted in more places? Or places that take paypass to get the darn machines working??? :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Use it. That's about it. To be honest though, there really isn't a big demand for the technology at the moment. Few people have devices that can use the technology, and fewer still actually bother with it even if they have a capable device. The physical wallet isn't going anywhere anytime soon because it contains many things that your phone probably won't be privy to for a long time. Why bother with Google Wallet when you can just as easily pull out the credit card that your google wallet uses anyway, and not have to worry about whether or not the place you're at has NFC support?
I would LOVE for Google Wallet to catch on (and get a few more features <.<; ) and I think it will-- in a few years. For now, however, Google Wallet hasn't really proven itself to businesses and the average user as anything more than a gimmick.
I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
More and more places accept paypass all the time. Google wallet isn't the only thing that uses it btw. I've never had an issue with a paypass machine myself.
I FINALLY found a place in my town where it works. It was a McDonalds, heh. Too bad I almost never go to McDonalds....
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I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
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This I would like to link it to other cards other then citi cards....
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The feature I like the best is that it's not linked to my atm/debit card or my personal credit cards. That its only linked to the Google card and I have to put money into it makes me feel very safe and secure. I would have never activated Google wallet if it linked to my personal banking and credit info. This is by far the safest rout.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Nah ductape case is better LOL jk
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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Was able to link my food stamps to it. Been on a spending Bender ever since.
Went straight to the strip club where, surprisingly, they have pay pass. Then off to cigarette depot for some smokes. Bought me a carton, no more loosies for me. After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11. Then off to white castle.
I even got enough left on my "IL Link" card that I can sell the rest of the funds to one of my baby mommas for fifty cent on the dolla.
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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That's probably another "issue". If iPhone doesn't have it is no good or not cool.
let it be.
Basically companies have to pay for the machines that they use to accept credit cards etc. The only way for this to get HUGE and FAST is for Google to become contracted with certain businesses to provide them with these PayPass scanners, even if they have to produce their own Google Branded versions. This way they have control and can distribute them. Otherwise ATM we are stuck with places that have the PayPass machines. Most companies go cheap and get those ugly looking grey plastic card machines that aren't very advanced, just for the fact they are cheap. Google will have to make the move though, businesses will not pay the dough to switch to these machines.
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After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
I use mine all the time...
McD's, 7-11, CVS and even Whole Foods. There's an app for MC Paypass locations and I've found everywhere that's on the list generally accepts them. I have to agree with it being limited. Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank. GW needs to mature a lot before ISIS or even Apple arrives on the scene.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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LOL... I've heard the clerks tell people they can't use credit cards. I just ambush them and hit the terminal with my phone and if they ever say anything I can just show them the pic of the GW Prepaid and point at the "DEBIT" in the graphic. After all I can't control how their POS terminal processes it and by the time they notice it's too late.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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Hate to say it, but that is a way for nfc to get a big push. Otoh, nfc is usually in high end phones, even subsidized ones so the other side of the equation is "dafuq?"
let it be.
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Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank.
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They would love to but if you don't have cooperation, then it can't happen. Too many of those companies are trying to compete with GW so they will not allow it.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I hear ya. I used to live directly across from govt projects. I would always see aarons and rent a center trucks there dropping off big screen TV's. I even see several 50"+ televisions on the trash curb. Aside from that it wasn't a horrible place to live. if you don't mind loud music, large groups of 50+ people fighting with everything from broom sticks to tire irons, and weekly shootings that is.
But yeah. My sister is a cashier @ Walmart a and says a large portion of the people are rude. I've seen it myself standing in line behind many of them.
And don't get me wrong. A good deal of those people are in legitimate need of assistance. They are grateful for the help and do what they can to become self sufficient as time goes on.
But a significant portion of the people are not deserving, are rude, dishonest, and generally don't deserve anything they get.
and as for the comment about how putting food stamps on these devices would probably drive Google wallet. It probably would. And even though it is only on high end phones, you can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of people on welfare have high end phones.
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Check it out! I have the lite version installed but am going to buy the full version to give it a shot. It has pretty much all of the controls many of us have been looking for. If anybody has the used the full version and has some input/review, please post it.
Just downloaded it. I like it.
The shutter speed was 1/50th on a few pictures but how do i manual change the shutter speed to my liking?
Been wanting something like this for a while. Very nice, gonna be experimenting with it today.
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Hmm, I will try, but something tells me I want to still use my 2 dlsrs and my L-Glass...
Wow this is even better than the HTCCamera app on my Amaze. Awesome thanks for sharing!
Had to get the paid version...well worth the money! I love the AF-L (AutoFocus Lock) feature!
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Hmm, I will try, but something tells me I want to still use my 2 dlsrs and my L-Glass...
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Orly?
Reminds me of Shot Control.
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I downloaded it, even the paid version because only it supports capture resolutions over 640x480.
Photo quality was no better than stock Android app which was a big disappointment for something that would save in PNG format.
Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?) Thanks Google, your lack of refund guarantees I'll never purchase an app again. Way to tank your model.
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I downloaded it, even the paid version because only it supports capture resolutions over 640x480.
Photo quality was no better than stock Android app which was a big disappointment for something that would save in PNG format.
Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?) Thanks Google, your lack of refund guarantees I'll never purchase an app again. Way to tank your model.
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It took you more than 15 minutes to try out a camera app? O___o
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Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?)
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I've had this happen before; the only way I was able to make refund show up was to clear market data, relaunch Play, and refund was then available.
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Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?) Thanks Google, your lack of refund guarantees I'll never purchase an app again. Way to tank your model.
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Really? so there's a app for <$5.... not going to buy that either?
It's the same thing in life, you buy food or some kind of electronic. Sometimes you don't like it after purchase. Too bad. But don't dictate the remaining purchases based on one bad experience.
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I've had this happen before; the only way I was able to make refund show up was to clear market data, relaunch Play, and refund was then available.
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Thanks. I tried researching it as the few minutes I had remaining ticked away but ultimately lost the race.
It felt like a movie with the big LED countdown timer running connected to the WMD flavor du jour.
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Really? so there's a app for <$5.... not going to buy that either?
It's the same thing in life, you buy food or some kind of electronic. Sometimes you don't like it after purchase. Too bad. But don't dictate the remaining purchases based on one bad experience.
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Huh? You read my post but didn't understand? It was not buyers remorse. I was within the refund period. The Market^H^H^H^H^H^H Play Store failed to work as advertised.
I don't trust the Play store now and won't do business with it.
I should amend this to say that I will purchase apps that I am 100% certain I want. But I will not speculate or "try" anything any longer.
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Huh? You read my post but didn't understand? It was not buyers remorse. I was within the refund period. The Market^H^H^H^H^H^H Play Store failed to work as advertised.
I don't trust the Play store now and won't do business with it.
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So you're going to resort to stealing apps now? or buying apps from Amazon's App Store with slow updates?
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERED a refund window even if it "didn't work" for you. No one is entitled to give you a refund, not even stores. Apple's App Store doesn't offer a refund at all.
There is something called customer service. Contact Google's Play Store or the DEV HIMSELF. And the dev can offer a refund (this has been confirmed many times, a dev can give you a refund).
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So you're going to resort to stealing apps now?
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERED a refund window. No one is entitled to give you a refund, not even stores. Apple's App Store doesn't offer a refund at all.
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Ugh. Really? You're now attacking me and not even comprehending what I'm saying. I'm going to steal now? Are you nuts?
Why should I be HAPPY? I wasn't OFFERED a refund at all.
I was entitled to a refund per Play Store policy and I didn't get it. What part of that don't you understand? They wrote the rules and didn't comply.
There's one thing you managed to be right about. I wouldn't have made the speculative purchase on iTunes because they don't offer refunds.
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There is something called customer service. Contact Google's Play Store or the DEV HIMSELF. And the dev can offer a refund (this has been confirmed many times, a dev can give you a refund).
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Not worth my time for $4 and neither is replying to you any more.
Lesson learned. Moving on.
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Ugh. Really? You're now attacking me and not even comprehending what I'm saying. I'm going to steal now? Are you nuts?
Why should I be HAPPY? I wasn't OFFERED a refund at all.
I was entitled to a refund per Play Store policy and I didn't get it. What part of that don't you understand? They wrote the rules and didn't comply.
There's one thing you managed to be right about. I wouldn't have made the speculative purchase on iTunes because they don't offer refunds.
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Not worth my time for $4 and neither is replying to you any more.
Lesson learned. Moving on.
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No I'm not nuts. There are always angry customers but you shouldn't just RESORT to not buying ANY APPS based on ONE bad experience. If you attempted to contact the dev / Play Store customer service and nothing worked, then you logically have a "somewhat" better explanation on why you're "boycotting the Play Store."
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERS A REFUND. Whereas, other App Stores such as Apple's App Store / Amazon doesn't even offer you a refund. Google could of set up the Market/Play Store without any refund but they did it anyway even it's not the perfect system. People make mistakes. This is why I told you to CONTACT the developer to issue you a refund (they can do this! its been shown)
If that $4 wasn't worth your time then I don't understand why you have to boycott the Play Store due to one bad experience without even trying to contact the dev for him/her to issue a refund
Also Chris before complaining you could of went to his website, the dev seems very commited to supporting his app. It's unfair to devs if you judge a "work in progress" app as a final product. A free version of the app was also included, http://www.camera.flavionet.com/support.php
I usually reply in less than 24 hours, and I'm always committed to solve the problem, when it is within my reach.
You can also write me to [email protected] with suggestions and improvements. I really listen to customers and I try to add new features based on users feedback.
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So yeah you would of received your refund quickly.
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If that $4 wasn't worth your time then I don't understand why you have to boycott the Play Store due to one bad experience without even trying to contact the dev for him/her to issue a refund
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This. Every dev I've ever emailed asking for a refund has been very responsive - devs can even issue refunds after the 15-minute window. Emailing a dev is a lot less time-consuming than driving back to a store to return a product you decide you don't want (because it doesn't do things it never claimed to do...). Quitchabitchin until you have made a good-faith effort to resolve the issue, rather than coming here to spout about how horrible the Play Store is.
Another hint - contacting the dev will do more about the problem than venting here. Just so you know.
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Reminds me of Shot Control.
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Which do you think is better. Haven't had the chance to test both
Sample photos?
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No I'm not nuts. There are always angry customers but you shouldn't just RESORT to not buying ANY APPS based on ONE bad experience. If you attempted to contact the dev / Play Store customer service and nothing worked, then you logically have a "somewhat" better explanation on why you're "boycotting the Play Store."
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERS A REFUND. Whereas, other App Stores such as Apple's App Store / Amazon doesn't even offer you a refund. Google could of set up the Market/Play Store without any refund but they did it anyway even it's not the perfect system. People make mistakes. This is why I told you to CONTACT the developer to issue you a refund (they can do this! its been shown)
If that $4 wasn't worth your time then I don't understand why you have to boycott the Play Store due to one bad experience without even trying to contact the dev for him/her to issue a refund
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The Play Store didn't work as it should and I'm limiting my exposure to it in the future. Logical response if you ask me. I don't enjoy attempting to claw back money thanks to billing issues, failure to deliver service, "oh the system had a problem", etc every time it happens. When it does I consider those entities unreliable and stop doing business with them. (Unless I have no real alternatives like TV/Internet/phone.)
If the Play Store didn't offer a refund I wouldn't have purchased the app. I appreciate that they do offer a refund to check for compatibility, does the app work as intended, etc. What I don't appreciate is that system not reliable.
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Also Chris before complaining you could of went to his website, the dev seems very commited to supporting his app. It's unfair to devs if you judge a "work in progress" app as a final product. A free version of the app was also included, http://www.camera.flavionet.com/support.php
So yeah you would of received your refund quickly.
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The dev got his $4 and I'm no longer going to use the App Store for purchases that I'm not 100% certain I want. You have a different philosophy and you're free to spend as much time as you like dealing with customer service, different developers, etc as you like. My philosophy is different and I'm going to deal with the Play Store less.
We're all entitled to make our own decisions on how to spend our money and somehow how I spend my money has become the topic rather than the app itself.
The app doesn't look too much like a work in progress. Just another camera app with a few neat controls. It's no iPhone 645 PRO app. That would have been worth paying quite a bit more for.
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This. Every dev I've ever emailed asking for a refund has been very responsive - devs can even issue refunds after the 15-minute window. Emailing a dev is a lot less time-consuming than driving back to a store to return a product you decide you don't want (because it doesn't do things it never claimed to do...). Quitchabitchin until you have made a good-faith effort to resolve the issue, rather than coming here to spout about how horrible the Play Store is.
Another hint - contacting the dev will do more about the problem than venting here. Just so you know.
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My post's intention was to let people know that this app did not improve photo quality. I said as much. I've been critical of the GN camera and was hoping that saving in a lossless format would have improved the camera output. It didn't. And because it didn't I don't feel it's worth $4.
However, instead of that, the only thing people appeared to be interested in is my comment about Google's Play Store borking my refund and my how I was going to deal with that in the future.
"quitchabitchin"? I'm not *****in. My problem is resolved. The problem it seems is that YOU don't like how I resolved it. If no one responded to the point about how I decide to spend my money this thread would be a lot shorter and a lot more informative.
My beef isn't with the developer and I have no intention of trying to contact him/her because the Play Store broke. Not their fault and I'm changing how I deal with the Play Store, not the app developer. I fail to see how that isn't clear?
BTW, this "getting burned" has warned me off of anything Samsung phone related as well. And quite a few other products. Unless these companies resolve their issues they've lost a customer and I steer people to products that work for me and I find reliable.
No offense, but I rather hear about the app than the hissy fit between you, the play store, and zephik. Take it to PMs guys.
Just sayin.
Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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I think if ppl would just stop acting so self-entitled, and stopped stealing ****, this would not even be an issue... Unfortunately - the world is full of idiots.. Only takes a few to ruin a good thing for all of us.
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Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
To install a pirated app is allow unknown sources...anyone can do it, idk why they are discriminating....
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
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Look up chaos rings by a little company called square enix. Looks like they are trying to crack down on app piracy(maybe Cuz of ff3 pirates?).
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I could care less about that kind of stuff if companies want to do that then they don't deserve my business or anybody else's business for that matter. Then just watch how fast the companies change their ways when nobody is buying their products
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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Well said... I set up my "online" credit card for Google Play at $100. Its been like over an year now, n I still have cash left in it... And not one pirated app on my phone. Most of the apps are like a $ or two... and they are more like 1 time buying with free updates for life (well, many of them).
All it takes is a $ or 2 for an you love... so what's the big deal when you are paying like $100 something each month to the cell phone service provider.
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Think about what you just said.
"...stealing is justified because the person who wants to steal feels that they are unwilling to pay the cost for the item...there are many points of view..."
Yeah...and the entitlement mindset "you have something that I feel that I'm entitled to and I don't care if I do something that's wrong...all that matters is that I get it...."...that's a point of view.
I've never understood people who use this rationale....stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it to make yourself feel better while you are doing it.
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What's the threshold for stealing? If it were only $50 then it wouldn't be ok? $25? If you can't afford a new car you couldn't just go steal one and have it be ok. And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
If I don't want to pay what it's offered for then I just do without. People should look into dropping their entitlement complex.
On another note, I don't buy into the whole "It's not available in my locale" argument. Maybe I just don't fully understand it being in the US. I've seen many ways to fool your phone/the market to seeing a new locale (for free), and most apps I've ever bought have a direct buy version anyway.
Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Really?
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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This argument only stands if you intended to buy the app in the first place and if there weren't so many cases in which piracy increased sales rather than decreased them.
Of course, the opposite is true as well. There are a number of games out there where it was simply more prudent to pirate the game if you wanted to, you know, play it whenever you wanted (Cough, Ubisoft games, cough).
I understand that some people are morally outraged by piracy... but much like so many other things in life, not everyone is. I used to pirate like nobodies business.. but now that I make more money, I typically only pirate the game if I am unsure about it and it doesn't have a demo. If I like it, I go buy it. If not, I get rid of it. I also typically pirate games that have an obscenely restrictive DRM embedded... not because I want to play it but just because screw those guys for putting it in there. DRM increases piracy, not hinders it.
However, copyright infringement is not theft. It is not stealing. Nothing is removed from anywhere. No money is removed from the dev's pockets because it was never there in the first place. If the item couldn't be pirated, that person wouldn't magically have more money because a whole lot of the people that pirate do it because they can't afford it in the first place.
Not to mention, there are companies who don't consider piracy a bad thing: http://www.gamespot.com/news/angry-birds-dev-says-piracy-may-not-be-a-bad-thing-6349485
Not to mention all of these industries who are trying to fight piracy so hard are doing it in the utterly wrong way. People pirate movies? Ok, rather than make movies easy to obtain online and permanently owned just like a dvd copy... they make it abnormally difficult, with higher prices and restrictive licensing and DRM. They make movie ticket prices skyrocket. In short, they make it annoying as all hell to acquire a legitimate digital copy. On the flipside, you can go to google, type in the name of a movie (Say... I dunno, The Avengers), pull up a torrent site, hit download and bam, you now have a digital copy without drm you own.
Music is much the same way, though it is improving. It isn't a whole lot better but I have forsaken pirating music and simply listen to Pandora or Spotify.
TV shows are in the same bracket as movies. It would be so simply to, the night of or the day after showing a new episode, put it up for sale for a dollar or two for people to buy and own. Make it quick, cheap and simple and people will FLOCK to it. But they don't. So everyone just goes and watches Hulu or pirates it.
Games are a more unique sector. They have numerous methods of easily obtaining the games but these methods are getting more restrictive, with licensing and "If you piss us off, you lose everything you bought from us" rules. Origin does this, Steam... yeah, not a very good thing. Why spend all that time worrying about that if you only play single player? Just go pirate it, then nobody can take it from you, right? So we have easy methods of quickly obtaining games, but they keep adding on to their list of rules and restrictions. Steam is the best of the bunch and even they will remove all access to the hundreds to thousands of dollars of games you spent if you break a rule. Even they don't allow anything but arbitration suits. You know the times that most games make the largest amount of sales and profit on Steam? During the Summer Sale and Winter Sale. Dev's love those sales because sales skyrocket to the moon and beyond. Their profit skyrockets for a few weeks. These sales make it obvious what the problem is for a lot of people... money. Is it worth the money? Yeah... less games are these days than ever. Yay, $64.94 after tax for a new game... with 4 hours of gameplay! Awesome, I totally feel that was worth my money! I am definitely going to go buy Gears of War 2 now for another 4 hours of fun!
Is piracy wrong? According to society, yes. Is it even remotely as harmful as the corporations play it out to be? Not hardly.
Forbes:
"This is a negotiation where at any time, your customer could just go download the damn movie for free, and they’re doing you a favor by even considering picking it up legally. And you have the nerve to think it’s on YOUR terms? That’s not how negotiation works. It may not be right, but it’s reality, and they have to face it.
Yet movie companies threaten to put Netflix out of business by charging them huge amounts of money to have access to their content. Netflix is in the forefront of the war on piracy, and the studios don’t even seem to understand it. It’s incredible."
Nick D said:
And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
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Yes. Yes I would. If I could, I most certainly would.
Everything in the world should be open source. Open source coding languages are being used to code these apps. For the most part. So why is it right for someone to charge money for something they built using free software? If I were a dev, I'd open up all my code to the community so we can all improve upon it.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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bootloopz said:
You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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I believe that he is saying that he would buy the movies if it wasn't such an inconvenience where he lives.
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