Check it out! I have the lite version installed but am going to buy the full version to give it a shot. It has pretty much all of the controls many of us have been looking for. If anybody has the used the full version and has some input/review, please post it.
Just downloaded it. I like it.
The shutter speed was 1/50th on a few pictures but how do i manual change the shutter speed to my liking?
Been wanting something like this for a while. Very nice, gonna be experimenting with it today.
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Hmm, I will try, but something tells me I want to still use my 2 dlsrs and my L-Glass...
Wow this is even better than the HTCCamera app on my Amaze. Awesome thanks for sharing!
Had to get the paid version...well worth the money! I love the AF-L (AutoFocus Lock) feature!
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Hmm, I will try, but something tells me I want to still use my 2 dlsrs and my L-Glass...
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Orly?
Reminds me of Shot Control.
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I downloaded it, even the paid version because only it supports capture resolutions over 640x480.
Photo quality was no better than stock Android app which was a big disappointment for something that would save in PNG format.
Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?) Thanks Google, your lack of refund guarantees I'll never purchase an app again. Way to tank your model.
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I downloaded it, even the paid version because only it supports capture resolutions over 640x480.
Photo quality was no better than stock Android app which was a big disappointment for something that would save in PNG format.
Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?) Thanks Google, your lack of refund guarantees I'll never purchase an app again. Way to tank your model.
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It took you more than 15 minutes to try out a camera app? O___o
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Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?)
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I've had this happen before; the only way I was able to make refund show up was to clear market data, relaunch Play, and refund was then available.
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Didn't have the option for a refund unfortunately. (Within 15 minutes - why?) Thanks Google, your lack of refund guarantees I'll never purchase an app again. Way to tank your model.
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Really? so there's a app for <$5.... not going to buy that either?
It's the same thing in life, you buy food or some kind of electronic. Sometimes you don't like it after purchase. Too bad. But don't dictate the remaining purchases based on one bad experience.
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I've had this happen before; the only way I was able to make refund show up was to clear market data, relaunch Play, and refund was then available.
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Thanks. I tried researching it as the few minutes I had remaining ticked away but ultimately lost the race.
It felt like a movie with the big LED countdown timer running connected to the WMD flavor du jour.
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Really? so there's a app for <$5.... not going to buy that either?
It's the same thing in life, you buy food or some kind of electronic. Sometimes you don't like it after purchase. Too bad. But don't dictate the remaining purchases based on one bad experience.
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Huh? You read my post but didn't understand? It was not buyers remorse. I was within the refund period. The Market^H^H^H^H^H^H Play Store failed to work as advertised.
I don't trust the Play store now and won't do business with it.
I should amend this to say that I will purchase apps that I am 100% certain I want. But I will not speculate or "try" anything any longer.
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Huh? You read my post but didn't understand? It was not buyers remorse. I was within the refund period. The Market^H^H^H^H^H^H Play Store failed to work as advertised.
I don't trust the Play store now and won't do business with it.
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So you're going to resort to stealing apps now? or buying apps from Amazon's App Store with slow updates?
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERED a refund window even if it "didn't work" for you. No one is entitled to give you a refund, not even stores. Apple's App Store doesn't offer a refund at all.
There is something called customer service. Contact Google's Play Store or the DEV HIMSELF. And the dev can offer a refund (this has been confirmed many times, a dev can give you a refund).
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So you're going to resort to stealing apps now?
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERED a refund window. No one is entitled to give you a refund, not even stores. Apple's App Store doesn't offer a refund at all.
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Ugh. Really? You're now attacking me and not even comprehending what I'm saying. I'm going to steal now? Are you nuts?
Why should I be HAPPY? I wasn't OFFERED a refund at all.
I was entitled to a refund per Play Store policy and I didn't get it. What part of that don't you understand? They wrote the rules and didn't comply.
There's one thing you managed to be right about. I wouldn't have made the speculative purchase on iTunes because they don't offer refunds.
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There is something called customer service. Contact Google's Play Store or the DEV HIMSELF. And the dev can offer a refund (this has been confirmed many times, a dev can give you a refund).
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Not worth my time for $4 and neither is replying to you any more.
Lesson learned. Moving on.
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Ugh. Really? You're now attacking me and not even comprehending what I'm saying. I'm going to steal now? Are you nuts?
Why should I be HAPPY? I wasn't OFFERED a refund at all.
I was entitled to a refund per Play Store policy and I didn't get it. What part of that don't you understand? They wrote the rules and didn't comply.
There's one thing you managed to be right about. I wouldn't have made the speculative purchase on iTunes because they don't offer refunds.
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Not worth my time for $4 and neither is replying to you any more.
Lesson learned. Moving on.
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No I'm not nuts. There are always angry customers but you shouldn't just RESORT to not buying ANY APPS based on ONE bad experience. If you attempted to contact the dev / Play Store customer service and nothing worked, then you logically have a "somewhat" better explanation on why you're "boycotting the Play Store."
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERS A REFUND. Whereas, other App Stores such as Apple's App Store / Amazon doesn't even offer you a refund. Google could of set up the Market/Play Store without any refund but they did it anyway even it's not the perfect system. People make mistakes. This is why I told you to CONTACT the developer to issue you a refund (they can do this! its been shown)
If that $4 wasn't worth your time then I don't understand why you have to boycott the Play Store due to one bad experience without even trying to contact the dev for him/her to issue a refund
Also Chris before complaining you could of went to his website, the dev seems very commited to supporting his app. It's unfair to devs if you judge a "work in progress" app as a final product. A free version of the app was also included, http://www.camera.flavionet.com/support.php
I usually reply in less than 24 hours, and I'm always committed to solve the problem, when it is within my reach.
You can also write me to [email protected] with suggestions and improvements. I really listen to customers and I try to add new features based on users feedback.
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So yeah you would of received your refund quickly.
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If that $4 wasn't worth your time then I don't understand why you have to boycott the Play Store due to one bad experience without even trying to contact the dev for him/her to issue a refund
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This. Every dev I've ever emailed asking for a refund has been very responsive - devs can even issue refunds after the 15-minute window. Emailing a dev is a lot less time-consuming than driving back to a store to return a product you decide you don't want (because it doesn't do things it never claimed to do...). Quitchabitchin until you have made a good-faith effort to resolve the issue, rather than coming here to spout about how horrible the Play Store is.
Another hint - contacting the dev will do more about the problem than venting here. Just so you know.
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Reminds me of Shot Control.
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Which do you think is better. Haven't had the chance to test both
Sample photos?
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zephiK said:
No I'm not nuts. There are always angry customers but you shouldn't just RESORT to not buying ANY APPS based on ONE bad experience. If you attempted to contact the dev / Play Store customer service and nothing worked, then you logically have a "somewhat" better explanation on why you're "boycotting the Play Store."
You should be HAPPY that Google even OFFERS A REFUND. Whereas, other App Stores such as Apple's App Store / Amazon doesn't even offer you a refund. Google could of set up the Market/Play Store without any refund but they did it anyway even it's not the perfect system. People make mistakes. This is why I told you to CONTACT the developer to issue you a refund (they can do this! its been shown)
If that $4 wasn't worth your time then I don't understand why you have to boycott the Play Store due to one bad experience without even trying to contact the dev for him/her to issue a refund
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The Play Store didn't work as it should and I'm limiting my exposure to it in the future. Logical response if you ask me. I don't enjoy attempting to claw back money thanks to billing issues, failure to deliver service, "oh the system had a problem", etc every time it happens. When it does I consider those entities unreliable and stop doing business with them. (Unless I have no real alternatives like TV/Internet/phone.)
If the Play Store didn't offer a refund I wouldn't have purchased the app. I appreciate that they do offer a refund to check for compatibility, does the app work as intended, etc. What I don't appreciate is that system not reliable.
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Also Chris before complaining you could of went to his website, the dev seems very commited to supporting his app. It's unfair to devs if you judge a "work in progress" app as a final product. A free version of the app was also included, http://www.camera.flavionet.com/support.php
So yeah you would of received your refund quickly.
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The dev got his $4 and I'm no longer going to use the App Store for purchases that I'm not 100% certain I want. You have a different philosophy and you're free to spend as much time as you like dealing with customer service, different developers, etc as you like. My philosophy is different and I'm going to deal with the Play Store less.
We're all entitled to make our own decisions on how to spend our money and somehow how I spend my money has become the topic rather than the app itself.
The app doesn't look too much like a work in progress. Just another camera app with a few neat controls. It's no iPhone 645 PRO app. That would have been worth paying quite a bit more for.
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This. Every dev I've ever emailed asking for a refund has been very responsive - devs can even issue refunds after the 15-minute window. Emailing a dev is a lot less time-consuming than driving back to a store to return a product you decide you don't want (because it doesn't do things it never claimed to do...). Quitchabitchin until you have made a good-faith effort to resolve the issue, rather than coming here to spout about how horrible the Play Store is.
Another hint - contacting the dev will do more about the problem than venting here. Just so you know.
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My post's intention was to let people know that this app did not improve photo quality. I said as much. I've been critical of the GN camera and was hoping that saving in a lossless format would have improved the camera output. It didn't. And because it didn't I don't feel it's worth $4.
However, instead of that, the only thing people appeared to be interested in is my comment about Google's Play Store borking my refund and my how I was going to deal with that in the future.
"quitchabitchin"? I'm not *****in. My problem is resolved. The problem it seems is that YOU don't like how I resolved it. If no one responded to the point about how I decide to spend my money this thread would be a lot shorter and a lot more informative.
My beef isn't with the developer and I have no intention of trying to contact him/her because the Play Store broke. Not their fault and I'm changing how I deal with the Play Store, not the app developer. I fail to see how that isn't clear?
BTW, this "getting burned" has warned me off of anything Samsung phone related as well. And quite a few other products. Unless these companies resolve their issues they've lost a customer and I steer people to products that work for me and I find reliable.
No offense, but I rather hear about the app than the hissy fit between you, the play store, and zephik. Take it to PMs guys.
Just sayin.
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What can we do to get GW accepted in more places? Or places that take paypass to get the darn machines working??? :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Use it. That's about it. To be honest though, there really isn't a big demand for the technology at the moment. Few people have devices that can use the technology, and fewer still actually bother with it even if they have a capable device. The physical wallet isn't going anywhere anytime soon because it contains many things that your phone probably won't be privy to for a long time. Why bother with Google Wallet when you can just as easily pull out the credit card that your google wallet uses anyway, and not have to worry about whether or not the place you're at has NFC support?
I would LOVE for Google Wallet to catch on (and get a few more features <.<; ) and I think it will-- in a few years. For now, however, Google Wallet hasn't really proven itself to businesses and the average user as anything more than a gimmick.
I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
More and more places accept paypass all the time. Google wallet isn't the only thing that uses it btw. I've never had an issue with a paypass machine myself.
I FINALLY found a place in my town where it works. It was a McDonalds, heh. Too bad I almost never go to McDonalds....
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I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
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This I would like to link it to other cards other then citi cards....
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The feature I like the best is that it's not linked to my atm/debit card or my personal credit cards. That its only linked to the Google card and I have to put money into it makes me feel very safe and secure. I would have never activated Google wallet if it linked to my personal banking and credit info. This is by far the safest rout.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Nah ductape case is better LOL jk
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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Was able to link my food stamps to it. Been on a spending Bender ever since.
Went straight to the strip club where, surprisingly, they have pay pass. Then off to cigarette depot for some smokes. Bought me a carton, no more loosies for me. After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11. Then off to white castle.
I even got enough left on my "IL Link" card that I can sell the rest of the funds to one of my baby mommas for fifty cent on the dolla.
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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That's probably another "issue". If iPhone doesn't have it is no good or not cool.
let it be.
Basically companies have to pay for the machines that they use to accept credit cards etc. The only way for this to get HUGE and FAST is for Google to become contracted with certain businesses to provide them with these PayPass scanners, even if they have to produce their own Google Branded versions. This way they have control and can distribute them. Otherwise ATM we are stuck with places that have the PayPass machines. Most companies go cheap and get those ugly looking grey plastic card machines that aren't very advanced, just for the fact they are cheap. Google will have to make the move though, businesses will not pay the dough to switch to these machines.
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After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
I use mine all the time...
McD's, 7-11, CVS and even Whole Foods. There's an app for MC Paypass locations and I've found everywhere that's on the list generally accepts them. I have to agree with it being limited. Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank. GW needs to mature a lot before ISIS or even Apple arrives on the scene.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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LOL... I've heard the clerks tell people they can't use credit cards. I just ambush them and hit the terminal with my phone and if they ever say anything I can just show them the pic of the GW Prepaid and point at the "DEBIT" in the graphic. After all I can't control how their POS terminal processes it and by the time they notice it's too late.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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thos25 said:
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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Hate to say it, but that is a way for nfc to get a big push. Otoh, nfc is usually in high end phones, even subsidized ones so the other side of the equation is "dafuq?"
let it be.
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Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank.
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They would love to but if you don't have cooperation, then it can't happen. Too many of those companies are trying to compete with GW so they will not allow it.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I hear ya. I used to live directly across from govt projects. I would always see aarons and rent a center trucks there dropping off big screen TV's. I even see several 50"+ televisions on the trash curb. Aside from that it wasn't a horrible place to live. if you don't mind loud music, large groups of 50+ people fighting with everything from broom sticks to tire irons, and weekly shootings that is.
But yeah. My sister is a cashier @ Walmart a and says a large portion of the people are rude. I've seen it myself standing in line behind many of them.
And don't get me wrong. A good deal of those people are in legitimate need of assistance. They are grateful for the help and do what they can to become self sufficient as time goes on.
But a significant portion of the people are not deserving, are rude, dishonest, and generally don't deserve anything they get.
and as for the comment about how putting food stamps on these devices would probably drive Google wallet. It probably would. And even though it is only on high end phones, you can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of people on welfare have high end phones.
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Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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I think if ppl would just stop acting so self-entitled, and stopped stealing ****, this would not even be an issue... Unfortunately - the world is full of idiots.. Only takes a few to ruin a good thing for all of us.
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Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
To install a pirated app is allow unknown sources...anyone can do it, idk why they are discriminating....
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
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Look up chaos rings by a little company called square enix. Looks like they are trying to crack down on app piracy(maybe Cuz of ff3 pirates?).
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I could care less about that kind of stuff if companies want to do that then they don't deserve my business or anybody else's business for that matter. Then just watch how fast the companies change their ways when nobody is buying their products
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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Well said... I set up my "online" credit card for Google Play at $100. Its been like over an year now, n I still have cash left in it... And not one pirated app on my phone. Most of the apps are like a $ or two... and they are more like 1 time buying with free updates for life (well, many of them).
All it takes is a $ or 2 for an you love... so what's the big deal when you are paying like $100 something each month to the cell phone service provider.
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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Think about what you just said.
"...stealing is justified because the person who wants to steal feels that they are unwilling to pay the cost for the item...there are many points of view..."
Yeah...and the entitlement mindset "you have something that I feel that I'm entitled to and I don't care if I do something that's wrong...all that matters is that I get it...."...that's a point of view.
I've never understood people who use this rationale....stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it to make yourself feel better while you are doing it.
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What's the threshold for stealing? If it were only $50 then it wouldn't be ok? $25? If you can't afford a new car you couldn't just go steal one and have it be ok. And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
If I don't want to pay what it's offered for then I just do without. People should look into dropping their entitlement complex.
On another note, I don't buy into the whole "It's not available in my locale" argument. Maybe I just don't fully understand it being in the US. I've seen many ways to fool your phone/the market to seeing a new locale (for free), and most apps I've ever bought have a direct buy version anyway.
Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Really?
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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This argument only stands if you intended to buy the app in the first place and if there weren't so many cases in which piracy increased sales rather than decreased them.
Of course, the opposite is true as well. There are a number of games out there where it was simply more prudent to pirate the game if you wanted to, you know, play it whenever you wanted (Cough, Ubisoft games, cough).
I understand that some people are morally outraged by piracy... but much like so many other things in life, not everyone is. I used to pirate like nobodies business.. but now that I make more money, I typically only pirate the game if I am unsure about it and it doesn't have a demo. If I like it, I go buy it. If not, I get rid of it. I also typically pirate games that have an obscenely restrictive DRM embedded... not because I want to play it but just because screw those guys for putting it in there. DRM increases piracy, not hinders it.
However, copyright infringement is not theft. It is not stealing. Nothing is removed from anywhere. No money is removed from the dev's pockets because it was never there in the first place. If the item couldn't be pirated, that person wouldn't magically have more money because a whole lot of the people that pirate do it because they can't afford it in the first place.
Not to mention, there are companies who don't consider piracy a bad thing: http://www.gamespot.com/news/angry-birds-dev-says-piracy-may-not-be-a-bad-thing-6349485
Not to mention all of these industries who are trying to fight piracy so hard are doing it in the utterly wrong way. People pirate movies? Ok, rather than make movies easy to obtain online and permanently owned just like a dvd copy... they make it abnormally difficult, with higher prices and restrictive licensing and DRM. They make movie ticket prices skyrocket. In short, they make it annoying as all hell to acquire a legitimate digital copy. On the flipside, you can go to google, type in the name of a movie (Say... I dunno, The Avengers), pull up a torrent site, hit download and bam, you now have a digital copy without drm you own.
Music is much the same way, though it is improving. It isn't a whole lot better but I have forsaken pirating music and simply listen to Pandora or Spotify.
TV shows are in the same bracket as movies. It would be so simply to, the night of or the day after showing a new episode, put it up for sale for a dollar or two for people to buy and own. Make it quick, cheap and simple and people will FLOCK to it. But they don't. So everyone just goes and watches Hulu or pirates it.
Games are a more unique sector. They have numerous methods of easily obtaining the games but these methods are getting more restrictive, with licensing and "If you piss us off, you lose everything you bought from us" rules. Origin does this, Steam... yeah, not a very good thing. Why spend all that time worrying about that if you only play single player? Just go pirate it, then nobody can take it from you, right? So we have easy methods of quickly obtaining games, but they keep adding on to their list of rules and restrictions. Steam is the best of the bunch and even they will remove all access to the hundreds to thousands of dollars of games you spent if you break a rule. Even they don't allow anything but arbitration suits. You know the times that most games make the largest amount of sales and profit on Steam? During the Summer Sale and Winter Sale. Dev's love those sales because sales skyrocket to the moon and beyond. Their profit skyrockets for a few weeks. These sales make it obvious what the problem is for a lot of people... money. Is it worth the money? Yeah... less games are these days than ever. Yay, $64.94 after tax for a new game... with 4 hours of gameplay! Awesome, I totally feel that was worth my money! I am definitely going to go buy Gears of War 2 now for another 4 hours of fun!
Is piracy wrong? According to society, yes. Is it even remotely as harmful as the corporations play it out to be? Not hardly.
Forbes:
"This is a negotiation where at any time, your customer could just go download the damn movie for free, and they’re doing you a favor by even considering picking it up legally. And you have the nerve to think it’s on YOUR terms? That’s not how negotiation works. It may not be right, but it’s reality, and they have to face it.
Yet movie companies threaten to put Netflix out of business by charging them huge amounts of money to have access to their content. Netflix is in the forefront of the war on piracy, and the studios don’t even seem to understand it. It’s incredible."
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And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
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Yes. Yes I would. If I could, I most certainly would.
Everything in the world should be open source. Open source coding languages are being used to code these apps. For the most part. So why is it right for someone to charge money for something they built using free software? If I were a dev, I'd open up all my code to the community so we can all improve upon it.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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I believe that he is saying that he would buy the movies if it wasn't such an inconvenience where he lives.
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This was posted everywhere else but in here, so I figured I'd bring it here too.
I got a notification from Google Play that this app was on sale for 99 cents for the next week. Highly recommended since most people use either the XDA application or Tapatalk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkHD&hl=en
Lol! Beat ya to it! Just not in its own thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44585402
For some reason though it won't let me buy the thing!!! :banghead:
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Just bought the app and man this app is sweet! Looks great on Illusion with a custom theme. Really smooth transitions and so many features. Highly recommend this app and for a buck, its totally worth it. Thanks for bringing it up!
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This was posted everywhere else but in here, so I figured I'd bring it here too.
I got a notification from Google Play that this app was on sale for 99 cents for the next week. Highly recommended since most people use either the XDA application or Tapatalk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkHD&hl=en
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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
Funny that the beta would no longer connect to XDA. Buy it again, and suddenly it's working fine. All the annoying bugs fixed without a new beta release. Weird, huh?
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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
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I feel you man. I'm buying it today. I'd ask for a refund honestly from the developer'.
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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
Funny that the beta would no longer connect to XDA. Buy it again, and suddenly it's working fine. All the annoying bugs fixed without a new beta release. Weird, huh?
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I had the same problem when the Tablet version went live to Tapatalk HD. I still had the older beta version from right before it went live. My work around for that was to Fire up the app, let it prompt me to buy the new version and then I just hit back. The prompt closed out and I was able to use the version like normal.
I missed the initial sale of .99 when it came out of beta and the price skyrocketed to $3.99 or something like that. It never came down again. Not sure if anyone can use this work around or not, but I would suggest just ponying up the .99 for the new app. It is a pretty big upgrade in style and performance, so I doubt we'll have to do this all over again for a few years. TTv2 hadn't changed its overall look and functionality ever I think.
I have this new version, uninstalled my previous Tapatalk HD version on my tablet, I still use the TTv2 as well.
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I feel you man. I'm buying it today. I'd ask for a refund honestly from the developer'.
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Good luck with that. The old Rootzwiki app was a skinned Tapatalk and every time they (RW) upgraded the app, they asked for you to buy it again. Pissed a bunch of people off to the point, I am not sure it is even for sale any longer. Might be, but I don't care since I don't have to use it bc of the current and v2 versions of Tapatalk. Plus RW has been sold twice since those dark times. :silly:
And its also only fair to consider thatthis isn't an updated Tapatalk 2. As I understand it, its a completely rebuilt version. With the ammount of work that goes into it, I have no issue parting ways with another dollar.
Betas shouldn't be expected to work once the final release is out. Betas are for testing and working out the kinks before the actual release. They couldve kept it internal and not let you play for free at all! Plus it'd be a much longer wait! If you were the developer, would you want to let the beta version continue to work when this is how you make part of your living?
They couldve done things much differently if they were just out to screw people. No offense if you disagree with me, but if a dollar is too much to ask, stay with Tapatalk 2.
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Sorry, realized that may have come out a little harsh! Not intended! Just trying to consider the amount of work that gets put in and that I don't think anyone should be expected to work for free! Besides, I think woody is right, this'll get us for the next few years I'm sure.
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And its also only fair to consider thatthis isn't an updated Tapatalk 2. As I understand it, its a completely rebuilt version. With the ammount of work that goes into it, I have no issue parting ways with another dollar.
Betas shouldn't be expected to work once the final release is out. Betas are for testing and working out the kinks before the actual release. They couldve kept it internal and not let you play for free at all! Plus it'd be a much longer wait! If you were the developer, would you want to let the beta version continue to work when this is how you make part of your living?
They couldve done things much differently if they were just out to screw people. No offense if you disagree with me, but if a dollar is too much to ask, stay with Tapatalk 2.
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Sorry, realized that may have come out a little harsh! Not intended! Just trying to consider the amount of work that gets put in and that I don't think anyone should be expected to work for free! Besides, I think woody is right, this'll get us for the next few years I'm sure.
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By all means I completely agree. I still have Tapatalk 2 from Amazon for free. And I'm buying Tapatalk 4 tonight. But I could understand the slight anger of having paid 4.00$ supporting an app and developer you love and getting pooped on the next week by a special.
And for anyone who is super frugal, just TiB Tapatalk 4 Beta and reinstall it because it's no longer on the market. Though I'd frown upon this personally. The beta still allowed me to connect to XDA yesterday evening however.
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@DocHoliday77
Understand your thoughts on beta testing. Disagree with them. Don't like the way this new rollout (if you will) happened. For more than 24 hours with the last beta (I did not know a new version was released), it simply would not connect to XDA, but would connect to my other forum accounts. Only one time did it prompt me to update, and it was about the 120th time I tried to log in. In this case, there is no reason to keep a beta internal. Letting consumers shoulder the testing work saves them months of time, and we get an update faster. They turn out the product faster and with far fewer issues than if they do internal testing.
The $0.99 price point is excellent (while it lasts). I use the app every day, and as such, have no problem paying for it (once). My problem with the new update is this: v2 and v4 have the exact same purpose, and let's be honest, the same functionality. It is the same app. With a new holo GUI. That's the problem. I'm inclined to believe v2 will either no longer be updated, or updated much less frequently. Why bother updating the old code? It's working fine.
What it boils down to is I don't want to pay for the same app twice. I would hate to see this practice become commonplace, like DLC has for consoles/PC gaming. Paid updates is a slippery slope.
@Aerowinder
I can totally see where you are coming from. And my statement about keeping beta testing internal was simply just to point out they do have an option. I agree its not the best option, but it is one. I completely agree with you about the benefit of public betas, as I had stated before as well. But I did not realize they would just shut down any part of it without some sort of notice. While I dont expect a beta release to continue functioning after the final release, I would expect a little bit of a grace period before just shutting it down like that! And without notice too. I would agree that this is not good practice.
I realize that the purpose of V2 and V4 are the same, and they offer very similar functionality, but I was under the impression that V4 was a complete rewrite and does add to the features and functionality of V2. Exactly what the differences are, I cannot remember off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about some of them when the beta was first released a month or so ago. But even if the biggest difference is better stability for now and in the near future, I think its worth paying for the new version. Updates can only take an app so far before it needs a major overhaul. And often, starting from the ground up is the best approach when you want to provide a quality product.
Also, try to consider it from a business standpoint. I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority of people who are going to use the app, have long since purchased it. Meaning most new updates and work involved are done with diminishing returns. After a while it begins to cost a lot more to keep it up to date than they receive in sales revenue. If a business continues with that kind of path, pretty soon you will get no updates and the app will simply just die. I do think that it would've been good if they allowed current users to possibly upgrade at a lower cost, but then, I kind of think that is what the .99 sale does anyway. If not for the sale, I would be in more agreement with your position on purchasing the new update. $4-5 is kind of pushing it to begin with, and if you paid full price for the previous one I can certainly understand the resistance there.
All in all, I do get your position on not wanting to purchase the same app twice, I think everyone has been in similar situations where they would be unhappy about a purchase. But I think it has more to do with perception, at least in certain cases. If you look at it a certain way, you might get downright angry about what a developer does, but if you look at it from a different angle, it could have quite the opposite affect.
I remember maybe a year or so ago, there was a weather app that was gaining some popularity, but then the developer decided to create a new app based on the original, but with everything his customers had been requesting. They now had to buy the new one. But to make it worse, he completely took the original down, so no one could even re-download it anymore. After a lot of complaints and gripes, he then proceeded to piss everyone off even more still by re-releasing the original, but as a "Classic" version for which people had to buy a second time if they preferred it over the new one! Needless to say his popularity seemed to die down quite a bit after that.
I know that is OT but thought I would throw it out there as a comparison for a really horrible "upgrade path" chosen by a developer.
In ending, I agree with you that paid updates can be a slippery slope, but in some circumstances, it may be unavoidable if the developer wants to continue providing his products to people. At least it isn't one of those where you have to purchase features by IAP's! Or worse yet, having to spend $50-100 to get enough coins or gems to get the one really cool in-game item!
I must say, though I usually completely agree with what you say, I do tend to enjoy disagreeing with you bro! You always have excellent points to debate against! And you never try to prove an impossible point, just because you really want it to be true! :good:
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Wow! I did not expect that post to be that long!!!! Didn't realize it until I hit Post Reply and it showed it to me!
These are all good points.
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I realize that the purpose of V2 and V4 are the same, and they offer very similar functionality, but I was under the impression that V4 was a complete rewrite and does add to the features and functionality of V2. Exactly what the differences are, I cannot remember off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about some of them when the beta was first released a month or so ago. But even if the biggest difference is better stability for now and in the near future, I think its worth paying for the new version. Updates can only take an app so far before it needs a major overhaul. And often, starting from the ground up is the best approach when you want to provide a quality product.
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Complete rewrites are often necessary, especially for an amateur developer. You learn more over time, change your mind, and receive input from others that changes your mind. I rewrote an app I made over the course of a few years three times, each time a total overhaul and in a new language. Hundreds of hours, but I'm an amateur. Loved every minute of it, though! That's one reason why I don't do it any more, just takes too much time if you aren't charging for the product.
Also, try to consider it from a business standpoint. I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority of people who are going to use the app, have long since purchased it. Meaning most new updates and work involved are done with diminishing returns. After a while it begins to cost a lot more to keep it up to date than they receive in sales revenue. If a business continues with that kind of path, pretty soon you will get no updates and the app will simply just die. I do think that it would've been good if they allowed current users to possibly upgrade at a lower cost, but then, I kind of think that is what the .99 sale does anyway. If not for the sale, I would be in more agreement with your position on purchasing the new update. $4-5 is kind of pushing it to begin with, and if you paid full price for the previous one I can certainly understand the resistance there.
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This would be undoubtedly true if the smartphone market was stagnant. But there are millions of new Android device activations everyday. ICS and JB, so that's v4. This supports my argument that v2 will slowly become obsolete and no longer receive updates due to the aforementioned cost/time ratio. Also, what happens when someone who wants Tapatalk buys v2 because it's the first listing on the market? Then later find out they could have had a far superior version for the same cost? I suspect these people will not be accommodated. And we both know that some people just don't read.
My suggestion would be to make v2 free but with ads, charge for v4 (free upgrade from v2 paid). This avoids people buying the wrong version. It avoids people having to buy the app twice. And it allows people to try an older version to see if they like it before they spend $5 on it (aka a demo). It could even have some features removed to encourage people to buy the paid v4. Google's 15 minute refund period is a joke at best. It takes 15 minutes to get this app set up. It's useless. Anyhow, you can really only charge people for the same idea for so long before they get wise (hoping this happens with Call of Duty sometime soon...). They need to make a new app that people want. They need something innovative. Something unmatched. Tapatalk is no longer that. It's possible that from a business standpoint, this had to be done for the company to stay afloat. But I would argue that if this is the case, it's a sinking ship anyhow. And throwing more money at them isn't going to fix anything.
I remember maybe a year or so ago, there was a weather app that was gaining some popularity, but then the developer decided to create a new app based on the original, but with everything his customers had been requesting. They now had to buy the new one. But to make it worse, he completely took the original down, so no one could even re-download it anymore. After a lot of complaints and gripes, he then proceeded to piss everyone off even more still by re-releasing the original, but as a "Classic" version for which people had to buy a second time if they preferred it over the new one! Needless to say his popularity seemed to die down quite a bit after that.
I know that is OT but thought I would throw it out there as a comparison for a really horrible "upgrade path" chosen by a developer.
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I was unaware of this, but it sounds like he got what he deserved. Good.
In ending, I agree with you that paid updates can be a slippery slope, but in some circumstances, it may be unavoidable if the developer wants to continue providing his products to people. At least it isn't one of those where you have to purchase features by IAP's! Or worse yet, having to spend $50-100 to get enough coins or gems to get the one really cool in-game item!
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I do this with some F2Ps on PC; APB (still a great game to this day) and League. Not doing that with an app on my phone, it's just not going to happen.
I must say, though I usually completely agree with what you say, I do tend to enjoy disagreeing with you bro! You always have excellent points to debate against! And you never try to prove an impossible point, just because you really want it to be true! :good:
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There aren't many people (online) who will take the time to articulate a point, or someone who will actually give information when asked instead of blowing you off. Always enjoy finding someone else who will :good:
Took advantage of the sale but I have problems connecting to the xda forums. It states to contact the administrator if problem persists. Anyone else have this problem when first buying the app?
neotoky said:
Took advantage of the sale but I have problems connecting to the xda forums. It states to contact the administrator if problem persists. Anyone else have this problem when first buying the app?
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Unfortunately, no. Delete the app, and reinstall it and maybe reboot the phone afterwards?
Beta still connecting fine for me
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You beat me to it
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I noticed quite a few members ordered their Android TV from geekbuying.com. what is this company like dealing with? Is it a pain in the rear end or smooth transaction?
I noticed they don't add taxes on the checkout bill, do I pay the taxes on delivery?
I know this slightly off topic but I'm one step away from purchasing a MINIX N7.
Thank You
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you dont have to pay sales tax on the goods if over internet unless you are in their home state and there is never tax on delivery but check with your state for something called "use tax" i have one in ohio too but no problem as if you are unsure of that bussiness check with bbb( better bussines bureau)
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I noticed quite a few members ordered their Android TV from geekbuying.com. what is this company like dealing with? Is it a pain in the rear end or smooth transaction?
I noticed they don't add taxes on the checkout bill, do I pay the taxes on delivery?
I know this slightly off topic but I'm one step away from purchasing a MINIX N7.
Thank You
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you dont have to pay sales tax on the goods if over internet unless you are in their home state and there is never tax on delivery but check with your state for something called "use tax" i have one in ohio too but no problem as if you are unsure of that bussiness check with bbb( better bussines bureau)
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Thanks... I'm in Ontario and will check it out.
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Ontario? you mean in Canada? thats much tricky because you have 2 taes one a national and one a region the online ordering will automatically calculate the tax based on your region
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Thanks... I'm in Ontario and will check it out.
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geekbuying fraud
vic_singh said:
what is this company like dealing with? Is it a pain in the rear end or smooth transaction?
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Geekbuying are total scammers. Took my money, never sent me anything and never reply to emails. Made me wait until I couldn't get my money back too. Never again.
Also I'm not the only person to of been ripped off by them, check out all the links to other people who have posted their experiences and been ripped off.
Geekbuying are Mcbub.com, in4dealz.com, freaktab. Once people discover who they are, they make a new site. They post loads of fake reviews online.
Mcbub.com (de-listed from google for 2 years after being caught spamming, fraud, fake reviews, trying to trick google's search engine and also spreading false information).
Here are just a few links I found about them when I was investigating how they ripped me off.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120924064134AA2t7n0
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Geekb...ept-a-defective-item-for-return-and-w-1055788
http://ca.trustpilot.com/review/geekbuying.com
http://www.scamadviser.com/is-geekbuying.com-a-fake-site.html
http://www.scambook.com/report/view/213781/GeekBuyingcom-Complaint-213781-for-$280.00
If you open their site and search geekbuying the complaints from people who have been ripped off is sick.
http://www.facebook.com/GeekbuyingThieves?ref=stream
The Facebook link is very good as all the users are verifiable real people. Not like the fake reviews Geekbuying post on the ratings sites.
It will be interesting to see the fake accounts come and attack me now, and what a surprize it will be the same accounts who bump their spam.
Best regards, J
JasonFitzwilliam said:
Geekbuying are total scammers. Took my money, never sent me anything and never reply to emails. Made me wait until I couldn't get my money back too. Never again.
Also I'm not the only person to of been ripped off by them, check out all the links to other people who have posted their experiences and been ripped off.
Geekbuying are Mcbub.com, in4dealz.com, freaktab. Once people discover who they are, they make a new site. They post loads of fake reviews online.
Mcbub.com (de-listed from google for 2 years after being caught spamming, fraud, fake reviews, trying to trick google's search engine and also spreading false information).
Here are just a few links I found about them when I was investigating how they ripped me off.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120924064134AA2t7n0
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Geekb...ept-a-defective-item-for-return-and-w-1055788
http://ca.trustpilot.com/review/geekbuying.com
http://www.scamadviser.com/is-geekbuying.com-a-fake-site.html
http://www.scambook.com/report/view/213781/GeekBuyingcom-Complaint-213781-for-$280.00
If you open their site and search geekbuying the complaints from people who have been ripped off is sick.
http://www.facebook.com/GeekbuyingThieves?ref=stream
The Facebook link is very good as all the users are verifiable real people. Not like the fake reviews Geekbuying post on the ratings sites.
It will be interesting to see the fake accounts come and attack me now, and what a surprize it will be the same accounts who bump their spam.
Best regards, J
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Man this sucks,
I just ordered Minix Neo X7
I paid with PayPal, the email I received said they will ship the product out within 5 business days and provide a tracking number. If I dont receive my device within 20 days I will report it to PayPal to get my money back.
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Many members from thir forum order their android TV from Geekbuying with no issues.
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Hardly compelling evidence there. I have been more than satisfied with my tvstick purchases. What are you accussing freaktab of?
freaktab = Geekbuying
Checkout the facebook page the angry customers setup and see the ton of users who are real people who have been ripped off. If you say not compelling evidence you're either blind or just an obvious shill for them.
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If you get it you can consider yourself one of the lucky ones. Plenty of other places to shop that don't rip people off. I suggest canceling the order now before it ships.
facebook shows less than one complaint a month since March. You are wasting your time posting here, you only joined this forum yesterday, obviously for a solitary rant. I am not being 'shilly' neither am I blind. Chill out, Chinese style.
please leave the negative comments out of here it doesn't belong to this android stick topic do me a favor just leave your rants in other group ok?
JasonFitzwilliam said:
Geekbuying are total scammers. Took my money, never sent me anything and never reply to emails. Made me wait until I couldn't get my money back too. Never again.
Also I'm not the only person to of been ripped off by them, check out all the links to other people who have posted their experiences and been ripped off.
Geekbuying are Mcbub.com, in4dealz.com, freaktab. Once people discover who they are, they make a new site. They post loads of fake reviews online.
Mcbub.com (de-listed from google for 2 years after being caught spamming, fraud, fake reviews, trying to trick google's search engine and also spreading false information).
Here are just a few links I found about them when I was investigating how they ripped me off.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120924064134AA2t7n0
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Geekb...ept-a-defective-item-for-return-and-w-1055788
http://ca.trustpilot.com/review/geekbuying.com
http://www.scamadviser.com/is-geekbuying.com-a-fake-site.html
http://www.scambook.com/report/view/213781/GeekBuyingcom-Complaint-213781-for-$280.00
If you open their site and search geekbuying the complaints from people who have been ripped off is sick.
http://www.facebook.com/GeekbuyingThieves?ref=stream
The Facebook link is very good as all the users are verifiable real people. Not like the fake reviews Geekbuying post on the ratings sites.
It will be interesting to see the fake accounts come and attack me now, and what a surprize it will be the same accounts who bump their spam.
Best regards, J
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Now I'm kinda worried.... I will give till Monday if it's not shipped then I will cancel my order and get it elsewhere.
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vic_singh said:
Now I'm kinda worried.... I will give till Monday if it's not shipped then I will cancel my order and get it elsewhere.
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don't be a pessimist as it could take 10 days to receive your tracking # then it gets exciting......6 weeks delivery to ca. Patience, they're a long way away and are often lost in translation.
Appetisaac said:
don't be a pessimist as it could take 10 days to receive your tracking # then it gets exciting......6 weeks delivery to ca. Patience, they're a long way away and are often lost in translation.
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@Appetisaac I'm assuming you've ordered from them before.
That kinda sucks...cause I'm excited for this devise.
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http://www.trustpilot.com/review/mcbub.com
You'll notice the bad reviews are real name users where people logged in by facebook, the one positive review I noticed was posted by "Victor" anonymously.
Mcbub = Geekbuying, thats why they built another site. And already the vast quantity of people who post their complaints have seen through their fake reviews and outright money stealing. Anyone claiming that these guys are great simply works for them.
It's funny to watch shills try to attack me for spilling the beans on these fraudsters.
You Sir, are as mad as a hatter.
I had no problems with geekbuying, I bought two android sticks(Minix Neo G4's) last Christmas took about three weeks to ship to Ireland. One stick failed updating it sent it back and got a replacement for it. It did take a sometime to send back and get a return device, five or six weeks in all but they replaced it and it running great since.
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as for me, i had no problems with geekbuying. ordered it, waited for a few days and after about two weeks i got my device. but i will order the nex minix n7 soon too. looks nice and hopefully its going to be real 1080p.
geekbuying not a scam
I ordered the quad core box, through amazon, fullfilled by geekbuying. Ordered on a Sunday, had product in hand FROM CHINA, in 4days!!!
Placed my 1st order with them for a KR-42 on August 27th and received delivery (to Ireland) on September 9th. It was sent from Singapore.
Device is working fine.
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freaktab = Geekbuying
Checkout the facebook page the angry customers setup and see the ton of users who are real people who have been ripped off. If you say not compelling evidence you're either blind or just an obvious shill for them.
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If you get it you can consider yourself one of the lucky ones. Plenty of other places to shop that don't rip people off. I suggest canceling the order now before it ships.
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I ordered a T-R42 about two weeks ago from Geekbuying thru Amazon. Ordered on a Saturday night and was plugging it in in MO on Tuesday mid day. You can't get better than that unless you pick it off the shelf yourself at Wally World.
Hey guys so this may or may not apply to you but basically I want to know if you haven't received your TV yet that lg promised to give Canadian users who pre-ordered the G7.
It's been nearly 4 months and I get nothing but bs excuses every time I contact the lg promo department. Enough is enough. I'm sure I'm not alone (hopefully). So if you are also still waiting, drop a comment and then let's see if anyone on the portal team wants to write about how lg is giving us the runaround on this. Stuff like that is bad publicity for them and they sure don't want that. Also if they think we should just sit here and take it and not expect a backlash then they're going to get a wake up call.
Stuff like this is definitely news worthy and if there are legitimately several of us that haven't received the tv they promised us then let's make some noise.
And please for the love of God do not make a silly post telling me that you did get yours already because that's not what this is for. This is for those that are like me and are getting the shaft from them.
I had a similar experience with my accessory rebate offer. In the state's I was eligible for 200 usd back and they tried to deny it. I had to contact PayPal and they forced them to either give the rebate or refund the devices, accessories, carrier activation and taxes included. I had all the paperwork, lg promotion information on the site printed out and even took pictures and recorded at my carrier's store. Pretty sad I had to resort to this, I won't take their word as fact anymore.
Is this the promotion you're referring to? https://lg-promotions.com/ca/en/pages/g7tvgift/holding
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Is this the promotion you're referring to? https://lg-promotions.com/ca/en/pages/g7tvgift/holding
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Yep sure is. Seems the promotion department is giving me and I did see a few posts about it on reddit with users also getting the runaround.
The goal of this is if a handful of people or more are experiencing the same thing that it might make for some interesting discussion or perhaps a portal discussion and see if it gets their attention.
I checked /r/LGG7 on Reddit and there are people who have received the TV. They recommended emailing and calling a few places you might want to try.
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I checked /r/LGG7 on Reddit and there are people who have received the TV. They recommended emailing and calling a few places you might want to try.
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Yep some definitely have received theirs. It's very odd indeed why some of us haven't. It's not a matter of shipping as they do say they'll notify us when it is sent out. To bash them over a third party shipping issue would be completely unfair.
I sent them another email last night. Normally they do reply within a day so to their credit they don't ignore us. But there's always another setback and excuse on why it hasn't shipped. It seems as though they're looking for ways to delay until I give up. Here's a couple screenshots of some correspondence which I've had with them. That clearly says it's approved
Update: I just spoke to a gentleman at the lg promotion department regarding this. Reading between the lines this is a disastrous promotion for them and some people who had submitted their claims still haven't even been approved. So i suppose they're in even worse shape than I am.
In the end the person I spoke to is limited in what they can do. They cannot force the TV's to be shipped out. However he did say he can ask his supervisor to try and prioritize my claim and have him request from the fulfillment department that they finish processing my claim.
So I guess I'll wait and see. If this works then I suppose those in a similar situation as I am who may not be posting here may be able to use it as an alternative option to try to expedite the process.
I'll just leave this link right here
OMG, even TV's are not safe from LG's infamous bootloops!??? Please tell us if LG will repair it or send you another one. Honestly I hope for a happy resolution.......
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OMG, even TV's are not safe from LG's infamous bootloops!??? Please tell us if LG will repair it or send you another one. Honestly I hope for a happy resolution.......
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Actually i was quite shocked that I didn't even have to contact them. I was going to but before I even had time I got an email from fed ex telling me another tv was on its way and scheduled for tomorrow. So I'm guessing someone there must be following me on you tube which is surprising because I don't exactly post frequently nor do I post anything overlay interesting. Just theme related stuff. So I gotta tip my hat to them acting quickly to resolve this for me.