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Hi,
I am going to go on contract on this phone for sure!
But I was wondering about pre-ordering from websites.
Firstly if I pre order will I be able to cancel in case I find a better contract.
Also websites such as mobiles.co.uk and mobilephonesdirect.co.uk are they ok websites to buy from because the reviews are quite bad for what I have read but some of them are official retailers for HTC.
For unlimited web - say if you use the internet a lot throughout the day how much GB would you use? How likely are you to meet the 500mb of 1GB allowance?
Finally how have your experiences been and do you have any websites for me to look at?
Thank you
Raminder

I have 1GB allowance on TMobile and have NEVER gone over it.

I was just looking up T-mobile fair usage policy thingy majig! And I saw this section that Android phones get a 3GB allowance. Is this true?
I will be streaming of youtube etc so i do not think 1 GB will be enough!
Thank you
Raminder

Raminder1992 said:
I was just looking up T-mobile fair usage policy thingy majig! And I saw this section that Android phones get a 3GB allowance. Is this true?
I will be streaming of youtube etc so i do not think 1 GB will be enough!
Thank you
Raminder
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No, I only get 1GB
And I always stream from youtube, use spotify WITHOUT playing from hard drive and am on the internet all the time in my Computer Science Lectures lol. Only time I went over is when I used tethering to go on Xbox Live. They didn't do anything, said I was restricted to only web browsing on peak times but i could go on the market and everything fine, it obviously doesn't effect android phones.

I have 1GB as well and never use it all. I’m using YouTube, face book, email (lots of emails) and traffic for my sat nav and some browsing.

Oh and very often I’m using it on my laptop to share the web connection.

Just to backup what the guy above said, I also use it to tether to my laptop when I'm out and I've never gone over it that way, only when I tethered up to the Xbox for Xbox Live.

Thanks guys,
basically what you guys are doing is exactly what i will be doing (in my lessons as well lol)
I have bee searching but there are so many different answers.
Now i am just wondering if I should preorder my desire today! It is just too damn desirable!!!

Zune Pass coming to Canada Oct 3rd

Apparently finally an end to the crippled Zune experience in Canada it seems..
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-drops-zune-pass-price-in-us-and-expands-it-to-canada/
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You're gonna love this as Zune Pass was the main reason I even considered WP7.

lbp775 said:
You're gonna love this as Zune Pass was the main reason I even considered WP7.
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agreed. Been waiting for it. I've even got a ZuneHD. Lol im looking forward to the dam artist backgrounds etc on my WP7. My Zune does it and its nice eye candy. I imagine I'll subscribe and try it out. I use my phone for Bluetooth music in my car and at work.

In addition to that, if you don't have it by that date, the price will be only $9.99 and you won't get any 10 free tracks every month.
Good and Bad.

N8ter said:
In addition to that, if you don't have it by that date, the price will be only $9.99 and you won't get any 10 free tracks every month.
Good and Bad.
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yeah I see that...the free tracks would've been nice but at least the neighbours up north are finally getting it. Long time coming.

N8ter said:
In addition to that, if you don't have it by that date, the price will be only $9.99 and you won't get any 10 free tracks every month.
Good and Bad.
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Actually, that's great for people who don't want to spend the extra five, although I do. Considering Spotify, Zune needed a cheaper option. Wonder if they could do a streaming only option for free?

Great, now I can use my real Windows Live ID, unfortunately I bought a bunch of games on this US based account.
But this problem with messenger integrated to your primary ID is total bullcrap.
My mind is spinning to decide what the hell to do.

Wyn6 said:
Actually, that's great for people who don't want to spend the extra five, although I do. Considering Spotify, Zune needed a cheaper option. Wonder if they could do a streaming only option for free?
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It's a worse deal. They're basically giving you $9.99 to spend however you want every month with the current pricing structure, so you only pay a net $4.99 per month for Zune Pass. With the change, it's a worse deal - through and through.
There's no reason to now pay an extra $5 per month for $10 worth of tracks. Any Chimp can see this.
If you cannot afford that, then you can't afford to have a smartphone with a data plan, either, IMO
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bmazloum said:
Great, now I can use my real Windows Live ID, unfortunately I bought a bunch of games on this US based account.
But this problem with messenger integrated to your primary ID is total bullcrap.
My mind is spinning to decide what the hell to do.
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Use one ID and stop tying purchases to one account while trying to use another for this and that. You can always use a different IM application and/or service if you wish to be incognito.
Having this use this account and that using that account can be confusing for users, since apparently the context sensitive search button was removed due to "confusion."

I just received an email that the same plan will be forced on new users in America as well. No more 10 song downloads for new subscribers. Existing subscribers may keep the $14.99 plan as long as your subscription is maintained.
This change also takes effect on Oct 3rd.

N8ter said:
Use one ID and stop tying purchases to one account while trying to use another for this and that. You can always use a different IM application and/or service if you wish to be incognito.
Having this use this account and that using that account can be confusing for users, since apparently the context sensitive search button was removed due to "confusion."
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Yeah, that's the only solution if I want messenger integration. I picked up all the XBL games when they were deals of the week, so that kinda sucks. Achievements will all be gone now too.
It's not confusing, it's more of a thing that pissses me off. The current Live Messenger app is horrible and would rather use the integrated one, along with being organized once and for all.
Yeah, the search button change pissed me off as well. Was so much faster when searching for emails and contacts. Should've made it "hold for 2 seconds to get bing"

Thought about buying GN, but....

Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?

I looked at that phone... it's just way too big. For now I will just enjoy my NS on ICS, but I am thinking about either the SGS2 for my next phone (once it has CM9) or just waiting for the SGS3.

maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.

EcPercy said:
Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.

bommel0815 said:
maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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LOL!
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week... I would just like to go from having a phone and dedicated mp3 player to just a phone with all of my music on it.
My Zune.. is nearly 2 years old and has 32GB of storage. You're telling me that a brand new cutting edge phone should be artificially limited to 16GB?
I guess that's what I was getting at. I am at a loss as to why the verizon model has 32GB and the GSM has 16GB. Why even have a 16GB model at all?

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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.

Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.

lambda30 said:
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.

zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
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As far as reliability goes, I wasn't talking about cloud computing being everywhere right now. IT is out there, but not on global/efficient scale. But in a couple of years, with technology advancements, there won't be any more limitations to spectrum coverage, like in tunnels or areas with no/bad coverage. Also, probably no more bandwidth caps as well. So this IS the future, there's no point in arguing about it. Your point was if it's feasible right now. Well, so and so. You can still rely on Google Music if you want, because it has offline storage. And 3200 offline songs storage capability + streaming when you actually can (not in tunnels), can make your life easier, without the need of 64/128 GB storage. So you can still manage this, if you try; that's what I wanted to say.

lambda30 said:
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?

EcPercy said:
On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
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People seriously need to stop underestimating the Galaxy Nexus hardware, I would dare to say it beats every other phone on the market.
Closest thing would be the iPhone 4S.
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.

EcPercy said:
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week...
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Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.

@rbiter said:
Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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That's a very constructive and effective commentary, good job ! I bet mama's very proud of her son's intelligence.

Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?

BlackOtaku said:
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
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What help can we even provide him with?
Why ask this on a forum, Google are more likely to know the answer.

SamsungVibrant said:
Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Some of us use reasonable listening volumes.

zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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The point is that if you're out and you don't happen to have a certain song you wanna hear on your phone, you can stream it.
It's not meant to be a total replacement.

look, the gnex is the best fone right now. period. and it will be. till the next nexus. get it and you wont regret. the camera and the display will just blow you away. then you will go to the bathroom and come back and turn it on and the display will blow you away again. wat can i say, it has been happening to me every time i turn it on for the past 4 days! Same as you, storage was the biggest concern for me too. But my music and gameloft games fit fine on it, as far as movies go, i just got a usb otg cable and use my existing usb key/microsd. problem solved. for regular use, i would say 32gb is perfect, but 16gb gets the job done quite well, plus usb otg for vids! and i turnd my fone on again and went "wow"!

Gsm its sexier than lte ...
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dario3040 said:
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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I would say you are spot on here, but... I mentioned before that I spend 2 hours a day on the MRT. For those in the USA you would better know this as the Subway. The internet just isn't good enough for constant streaming while moving along in the train and we have TONS of people all checking the internet as well so that makes your speed go WAY down even when you are above ground.
Now that my phone (NS) has ICS I can see what kind of data google music is using, but I am a little sceptical that you can use google music and not go over your data limit for the month. I have a 12GB plan for data, but I am also sharing that data with my GT 10.1 and I watch TONS of YT videos while at work.
Now for everyone else. Don't get me wrong. I like google phones. I have owned the N1 and NS. I am ready for a phone upgrade now, but torn. I want the newest google experience phone. I prefer that to any of the UI addons that come from the manufacturers. I HATE touch UX on my GT 10.1 and I can't wait to get rid of it for CM9 (when it is out on my tab). I can wait if 16GB is all we get for storage. Maybe the 16GB version is all that will come out until Samsung gets the initial demand met and then we will see larger version like a 32 and 64GB model. (who knows right?)
My NS is currently sitting at less than 2GB of free space and my old GT10.1 (also 16GB) was sitting at about 1GB free after I put some cbt nuggets on it to watch while I am at work to prepare for a certification exam. I have since gotten a GT 10.1 (32GB) and I am not hurting at all for storage, but this is not practical to use as an MP3 player while working out...
So that's it. I am not dogging the hardware. I am just questioning the storage decision with more and more apps coming out that have extra downloads after installing the initial app you are going to need more and more space.

Cloud service - good or bad thing in the larger picture?

An earlier post, thought it may be a good topic for debate:
TO ALL THE CLOUD PEOPLE!
Not usually one to rant but I need to here. What scares me about this is the larger picture. Data plans are getting smaller and more expensive and at the same time storage is getting smaller, which will force you to use a cloud service. So for all the music, etc. that you already own you will have to stream it and use up part of your data plan. That's what really scares me, it's like getting taxed twice. Your using data to get the song but it doesn't end there, now you have to use data every time you listen to it. This all boils down to the carriers making a lot of money off of stuff you own. What's next? 8GB phones and $50 per GB data plans in 5 years? I'm all for companies making a profit, I'm conservative and definitely not an occupy movement type but i see potential disaster for the consumer here. Who knows, hopefully this isn't a trend but for all the good things about a cloud, when combined with an expensive data plan it can be really bad for the consumer. I'll keep my content locally thank you. Not to mention all the downfalls of a cloud service, battery drain, losing signal, etc.
What's really disappointing is this entire issue can be avoided with expandable memory. Feels like we are going backwards.

This is only a concern if you believe AT&T's rhetoric that the sky is falling.

First off 90% of phones still come with a Micro SD card slot.
Second, Verizon is really the only carrier who still charges overage fee's (T-mobile and AT&T throttle after a certain point and Sprint is "Unlimited") so I don't get where you are going with this.

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This is only a concern if you believe AT&T's rhetoric that the sky is falling.
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I have unlimited data on verizon. I can just add the two scenarios together and see the POTENTIAL for a bad thing, but can you deny that the potential is there?

miketoasty said:
First off 90% of phones still come with a Micro SD card slot.
Second, Verizon is really the only carrier who still charges overage fee's (T-mobile and AT&T throttle after a certain point and Sprint is "Unlimited") so I don't get where you are going with this.
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Try 99% of phones haha
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miketoasty said:
First off 90% of phones still come with a Micro SD card slot.
Second, Verizon is really the only carrier who still charges overage fee's (T-mobile and AT&T throttle after a certain point and Sprint is "Unlimited") so I don't get where you are going with this.
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Do you believe Sprint will have unlimited forever? Where I'm going is trying to point out what nobody else is. Smaller more expensive data plans and streaming services for content you already own COULD become very pricey down the road, hope it doesn't go that route. Not sure how to make that any clearer. Not about overage charges at all.
Verizon already has a 2GB plan (yes i know about double the data, just a gimmick to make you think they gave you something when they took it away). If you use 1GB streaming from the cloud you only have 1GB left for other use. You could have had the content on your phone locally and still had 2GB for other use. So if 2GB isn't enough now you need to spend more on a larger data plan, that's where the cost will be.

@joshnichols189
I'm well aware, see you bought a nexus anyways, good choice.

InfiniD said:
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I'm well aware, see you bought a nexus anyways, good choice.
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If it does become a problem, I don't think it will happen within two years, but the next time you go looking for a phone make sure you get one with an expandable sd card slot

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If it does become a problem, I don't think it will happen within two years, but the next time you go looking for a phone make sure you get one with an expandable sd card slot
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If this trend continues we could be in a tight spot in 2yrs. I was okay with the nexus because it was still 32GB, but if this continues and the higher end phones don't have expandable it will suck. I love the Gnex and the community support, I considered the Rezound and now very happy with my purchase mainly because of this site and everybody willing to help others. We are spoiled with the support here. My friend is trying to root his Sprint Evo Design 4G and there is some community support but nothing like the Gnex gets, heck it doesn't even have a forum here at xda.
I think everybody is kinda missing my point of the larger picture down the road lol. This topic started out as a response to discontinuing the 32GB nexus and people being okay with it because of cloud services. Just trying to point out the cloud could come back to bite us later.

I believe the OP has a very valid point here!

stickerbob said:
I believe the OP has a very valid point here!
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Thanks. Was starting to think I was the only one that could connect the dots lol

InfiniD said:
I'll keep my content locally thank you.
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I've been in the data retrieval industry for a long time. I've seen at all and am still surprised on a daily basis of what my clients tell me happens to them that results in them losing all of their data.
Your local storage (on your phone, or computer) will fail and you may have to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars to get it recovered, unless you're fine with losing it (which most people are forced to live with due to the high costs and fragile economy). You might shake your head in disagreement at what i'm saying, most think they will never experience this.
We're not walking backwards, cloud is the future, and in my experience, it's the only way to really make sure that you don't lose your data. The point is to never lose data and have it available to you anywhere. I suggest Box and Dropbox to every single client who asks how they can prevent this from happening to them again.
Google Music is a wonderful thing, i use it every morning on the way to work and every evening on the way home. I listen to about 30-40mb of music on the road. Wifi is always on at home, and available pretty much everywhere i go. Since Dec. 3rd, i've been using about 1 - 1.2GB/month for music and still have a little under 4 GB to use for whatever else my heart desires.
Anyway, while companies are screwing people with data plan costs, in the big picture cloud storage is a winner. My GN's 16GB is more than enough to store whatever i need. Also, i'm pretty sure there will be less and less 8GB phones in the future, i don't think you have anything to worry about.

I'm not saying the cloud is a bad thing on it's own, it definitely makes sense, I'm just worried what the future may hold and the how the carriers will take advantage of it. I agree with all of your points about data security/retrieval. I think if there was a plan that excluded cloud streaming as paid data usage that would be perfect. If that's even possible.
They should just make all phones with 64GB of data with an expandable slot and unlimited plans. I'll never worry again lol.

Nexcellent said:
I've been in the data retrieval industry for a long time. I've seen at all and am still surprised on a daily basis of what my clients tell me happens to them that results in them losing all of their data.
Your local storage (on your phone, or computer) will fail and you may have to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars to get it recovered, unless you're fine with losing it (which most people are forced to live with due to the high costs and fragile economy). You might shake your head in disagreement at what i'm saying, most think they will never experience this.
We're not walking backwards, cloud is the future, and in my experience, it's the only way to really make sure that you don't lose your data. The point is to never lose data and have it available to you anywhere. I suggest Box and Dropbox to every single client who asks how they can prevent this from happening to them again.
Google Music is a wonderful thing, i use it every morning on the way to work and every evening on the way home. I listen to about 30-40mb of music on the road. Wifi is always on at home, and available pretty much everywhere i go. Since Dec. 3rd, i've been using about 1 - 1.2GB/month for music and still have a little under 4 GB to use for whatever else my heart desires.
Anyway, while companies are screwing people with data plan costs, in the big picture cloud storage is a winner. My GN's 16GB is more than enough to store whatever i need. Also, i'm pretty sure there will be less and less 8GB phones in the future, i don't think you have anything to worry about.
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100% true.
While unlimited data may be on its way out, it's only because the telco's can afford to do that for now. Their goal is for you to think the exact same way the OP is thinking right now:
rather than get angry at the telcos, they want you to pay them more, and then get angry at Google, Netflix, Rdio, Slacker, Spotify, Pandora, Onlive, for trying to get you to stream more.
Cellular networks have had a great decade charging high rates on data that most people don't use much of. Average usage for an iPhone user 2 years ago was 800MB - 1.1GB. That means, ATT customers were essentially paying $30 for 1GB, which is a MONSTROUS rate per GB. Typical transit rates on wireline are closer to $0.04/GB. With Android, carriers noticed that usage began increasing very quickly, and just looking at the rise of cloud, they figured out that for them to keep their same profit margins, they needed to either charge more, or keep usage down.
Now, some cellular networks are fighting to keep you paying monstrous per GB rates, either by getting you to pay overages, or getting you to cut back your usage.
The only way to fight this is if enough customers begin actually using the wireless networks and begin bumping up against those artificial barriers, and then begin complaining.
Netflix has already advocated this for wireline networks, although they've been trying to help a bit with voluntary quality/bandwidth limiting.
But either way, cloud *is* the way forward. There are no 2 ways about it. Cell networks will fight as much as they can to retain their absurdly high quarterly results and keep their shareholders happy. If you don't agree with your particular network's policies, the only way to make sure they get the message that caps are bullsht, is to either call them or walk.

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Does anyone know away around Verizon seeing how much data you use before they slow you down or if your tethering .I have unlimited but it's gets throttled looking for away around that .

1981greg said:
Does anyone know away around Verizon seeing how much data you use before they slow you down or if your tethering .I have unlimited but it's gets throttled looking for away around that .
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You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway

Badger50 said:
You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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Thanks for the reply I didn't think of it being illegal really but makes sense trying to delete post but don't see an option

Badger50 said:
You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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Not sure how it's illegal as it's an unlimited data plan. As far as carriers monitoring usage to effectively kill an unlimited plan they profited from by advertising it is probably actually "illegal" or misleading advertising. I really think these carriers should be pressured to change the wording of their "unlimited" plans through the CFPB or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Unlikely nthis will happen due to the current political atmosphere.

cedargreen said:
Not sure how it's illegal as it's an unlimited data plan. As far as carriers monitoring usage to effectively kill an unlimited plan they profited from by advertising it is probably actually "illegal" or misleading advertising. I really think these carriers should be pressured to change the wording of their "unlimited" plans through the CFPB or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Unlikely nthis will happen due to the current political atmosphere.
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how is it misleading? it is in their TOS when you sign up for whatever plan. I know that if I use over 50GB on tmobile i can be throttled, i still can use data even if it is slower, so therefore it is still unlimited. Their plans are't titled UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED DATA. These unlimited plans are Not like the some of the old school plans that just cut you off, or end up charging you extra for data you go over.

1981greg said:
Thanks for the reply I didn't think of it being illegal really but makes sense trying to delete post but don't see an option
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It's not illegal but does violate the TOS agreement from the carrier. At the same time hiding a tethered connection is futile. It's simply impossible to hide as carriers have at least half a dozen different ways of detecting it.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not illegal but does violate the TOS agreement from the carrier. At the same time hiding a tethered connection is futile. It's simply impossible to hide as carriers have at least half a dozen different ways of detecting it.
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Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post

https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/be.mygod.vpnhotspot
You will also need to connected a vpn that has decent speeds.
PrivateInternetAccess works pretty good and it is like $30 per year with a coupon, search slickdeals.net or some other similar site for code. Plus PIA you can change the packet size if verizon is looking for that.

1981greg said:
Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
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Relax, you are not going to jail. You asked a question, and did nothing.

1981greg said:
Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
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You can't delete a post. You can edit it to something like "delete" if you want but once you're quoted then it's on your permanent record. A mod can delete it too. But as you've been told you did nothing wrong. Don't sweat it.
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bobby janow said:
You can't delete a post. You can edit it to something like "delete" if you want but once you're quoted then it's on your permanent record. A mod can delete it too. But as you've been told you did nothing wrong. Don't sweat it.
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Thanks guys just didn't want look like a dumbass lol probably too late thanks for the info

fiffan86 said:
how is it misleading? it is in their TOS when you sign up for whatever plan. I know that if I use over 50GB on tmobile i can be throttled, i still can use data even if it is slower, so therefore it is still unlimited. Their plans are't titled UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED DATA. These unlimited plans are Not like the some of the old school plans that just cut you off, or end up charging you extra for data you go over.
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So I go to an all you can eat buffet for lunch. I eat 2 plates of cream of somyungui. Then I would like another. I go back to find out that after 2 plates I must now wait till dinner to have another. Also I have to wait until everyone else ate. When I can finally have another plate I find there is hardly any left and it takes a long time to get what I had during lunch.
This is not unlimited. Carriers are spinning the meaning of the word. We saw this before the prior net neutrality laws were passed several years ago. Unlimited to start, then so slow you think the website is down, or it just times out all together.
I do agree with others that the carriers will know if you are tethering or not regardless. The real question is if you root and unlock native tethering, will they force a "tethering fee" assuming you didn't have such fee when you signed your contract.

Don't make analogies. They're never 100% equivalent to what you're trying to compare it to.
Throttling ≠ data cut off. It sucks but it's still unlimited data.
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@EeZeEpEe: The guy is trolling, and the facts you have provided he will ignore as they don't fit his narrative. The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest. He knows full well that the carriers aren't abusing the definition of unlimited like they did in 2010.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
@EeZeEpEe: The guy is trolling, and the facts you have provided he will ignore as they don't fit his narrative. The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest. He knows full well that the carriers aren't abusing the definition of unlimited like they did in 2010.
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They're not?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/...could-go-unpunished-because-fcc-repealed-open
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...less-carriers-over-youtube-netflix-throttling
I don't see above where anyone provided facts to back up their argument. Since u mad, (The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest), here is clear evidence of abuse. I would also argue that this is the worst case of throttling ever and the next closest is the AT&T/FaceTime fiasco. All under the guise of various tiers of 'unlimited' data. Check out the wehe app. It helped with studies on this exact topic, including Senate oversight committee sending questions to the major carriers.

@cedargreen: Mad? That would mean I had feelings on the topic. The reality is I just call it as I see it. Your first post in this thread is nothing but a strawman argument, thus you are being intellectually dishonest. Now, you clearly must be bored if you have to respond to a post that as of this writing is four months old. I don't go out of my way to feed trolls, so we're done here.