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NFC - The one reason that I'm slightly jealous of the Nexus S...

So, with the Nexus S officially released, I am ever so slightly jealous of only one thing: NFC. To be perfectly honest, I think my Mozart does everything else better than the latest "Google Phone", but NFC is something that I've been drooling over for probably about 3 years, having seen it all over Japanese websites/tv.
Damn it I can't wait for some sort of NFC solution for us! http://twinlinx.com/mymaxsticker.php is probably our best bet (once it comes out), but it's not the same as having the function integrated into the hardware...
Who else can't wait for NFC to really take off? ^__^
Alex

No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.

vetvito said:
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
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A year ago, there were 25 million people with NFC on their phones. It's beyond huge over there! I'm really surprised that you haven't heard about it! The vast majority of shops there have nfc readers at tills as well, effectively allowing you to leave your wallet at home, and only carry your phone
Damn it this excites me!

I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.

N8ter said:
I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S

^ Not that I know of, like I said earlier, never heard of it until today.

We do have several NFC services here in the US. Just nothing that is very popular nor is it outwardly billed as being NFC. Each implementer brands it with their own name.
https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx , for example

^ I have that little thing for Exxon. That's what this is? Another form of a credit card?

In korea they use it for everything...they can use it as cash (pay for things at shops, taxis public transport) but also you can save credit cards to the chip and you can just carry your phone around and have all your bank cards on it (only works in banks and ATMs)
also in some schools they use NFCs for student ID as well..
pretty amazing tech..it's still to take off fully but still light years ahead of most other countries...
don't worry America, once apple put in an NFC in their new iphone people will get so overly excited and think Apple invented it! and everyone will use it blah blah!
I think London is thinking of replacing the oyster card for NFC, right?

i think i prefer to keep my credit card seperate from my phone... it's one thing to steal my phone, or my card... but to steal them both in 1 hit... not my cup of tea.

GenkaiMade said:
Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
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Crime is more prevalent here in the USA than in Japan. With such tech on our phones and being relied upon, it's like a Christmas party for ill mannered hackers.

somethings i prefer seperate
credit card is easier to replace than a phone
if that phone gets hacked by some virus (not very likely but still) im f*cked.....

I don't see this (NFC) taking off in the U.S. anytime soon, even if it's on iPhone 5 (which I don't think it will be given Apple's penchant for great implementation and user-experience).
Before it gets adopted in the U.S. by phone manufacturers, it also has to be adopted by all of the U.S. retailers in orders to be of any real-world use. What's the likelihood of that happening within the next generation or two of smartphones?

the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!

hboos said:
the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.

The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....

MartyLK said:
I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
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hahaha, what phone(s)?

The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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ah that makes sense...
in korea they have NFC in the phones and you can use it for cash (comes out of your phone bill) for small payments and withdraw cash from ATMs (via stored bank/credit card) after you insert PIN
i didn't realise you can get credit cards with NFC on them..
well in that case, I am back on the fence about this one

I have my HD7 but I am tempted to sell it and buy the Nexus when it comes out. Trying to be patient with WM7 and it has a lot of potential but I think it might take a year or so to get up to IOS or android. The nexus S could hold me over till then

in a year wp7 if its doesnt fizzle may have overtaken ios, and android at their current stages and at its current rate of growth ( its been out about 2 months, and a update already in testers hands) in less than four months it will almost catch up, and about 6 months from that it'll have things that they dont. Who know maybe by then ios will be playing catch up to wp7, 6.5 already had some thing thats why alot of us have the hd2,in a way theyre playing catching up to us with exception of stability and speed. Now that we have stability, etc, all they have to do is put back what they took out, add apps which they are doing, and walla. Windows Phone is on top again. Nothing last forever, not even apples domination.

Google Music works on IE9 on Mango (7112+ only)

Hey everyone I just wanted to point out that Google Music works in IE9 in Mango ! It only works on 7112 or higher though. I dont know how many people already know this but I think I should just point it out . The best thing is you dont need to be in the browser to listen to your music !

Yes it does work Just tried it on my Omnia 7 with 7720.
I thought it used flash to play the songs...
But only the pause/play button works, not previous/next.

From what I remember, it won't move on to the next track in the playlist/album while the browser isn't open.

PG2G said:
From what I remember, it won't move on to the next track in the playlist/album while the browser isn't open.
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Yes, but considering it's a website designed for the desktop it's pretty good.
But anyway, I find Google Music very useless, since it's MY OWN MUSIC, that I already have stored on the phone :|

jotapm said:
Yes, but considering it's a website designed for the desktop it's pretty good.
But anyway, I find Google Music very useless, since it's MY OWN MUSIC, that I already have stored on the phone :|
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Well, its pretty nice if u have an 8 gig phone and are running out of space

I'm running 7.10.7712.60 in a 1.3v Samsung Focus. I tried to play a song and it states I need to install flash. What am I missing?

Seed 2.0 said:
I'm running 7.10.7712.60 in a 1.3v Samsung Focus. I tried to play a song and it states I need to install flash. What am I missing?
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flash？I think mango only can use html5
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jotapm said:
Yes, but considering it's a website designed for the desktop it's pretty good.
But anyway, I find Google Music very useless, since it's MY OWN MUSIC, that I already have stored on the phone :|
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did you not notice the "free" section ?
also, uploading from your computer means streaming THAT library to your phone... anywhere and saving that measely 8gb of space for important stuff like Microsoft Premium Wow Zing Edition 2012 superlative Edition. documents. or whatever.

Yay.
More ways to consume ridiculous amounts of data and bring the network to a grinding halt (wifi OR 3g).

andrewkeith5 said:
Yay.
More ways to consume ridiculous amounts of data and bring the network to a grinding halt (wifi OR 3g).
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well, the data has to come from somewhere... insufficient storage or insufficient bandwidth, it gives the user another choise. choise is good.

ohgood said:
well, the data has to come from somewhere... insufficient storage or insufficient bandwidth, it gives the user another choise. choise is good.
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Choice isn't good when you're destroying the bandwidth of the network to others' detriment. That's exactly why FUPs have to be used.

can't imagine that google music would be easy on bandwidth

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Choice isn't good when you're destroying the bandwidth of the network to others' detriment. That's exactly why FUPs have to be used.
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if you're sold 4g, or 3g when you sign the contract, the ISPshould have enough capacity to handle each and every customer using what they were sold. if they do not, they are not being truthful in their advertising, or their contracts.
I have zero sympathy for isps that oversell and under deliver.

Yes, which is why most contracts have a FUP, so that they can do that.
It's just a shame that some users have some ridiculous expectation that they should have infinite access to the finite network resources, which results in the overall network becoming bogged down.
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if you're sold 4g, or 3g when you sign the contract, the ISPshould have enough capacity to handle each and every customer using what they were sold. if they do not, they are not being truthful in their advertising, or their contracts.
I have zero sympathy for isps that oversell and under deliver.
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andrewkeith5 said:
Yes, which is why most contracts have a FUP, so that they can do that.
It's just a shame that some users have some ridiculous expectation that they should have infinite access to the finite network resources, which results in the overall network becoming bogged down.
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unlimited 4g is what is being sold. it either is, or it isn't. of late isps are charging MORE for 1.5gb data contracts than they were for "unlimited" a couple of years ago.
if they ever update the supporting towers and backends servers, I could see your point. as it is, att can't handle all their contracted subscribers, nor tmo, nor any isp.
then they act as though they're doing everyone a favor for throttling users, who were SOLD on the idea of unlimited. "unlimited" is a fairly self explanitary word, no asterisk required, nor should it be allowed. truth in advertising... that's all I want.

I'm getting the impression that AT&T in the US are very much like 3 over here in the UK - oversell for a cheap price and then don't support properly.
Unfortunately I can't speak for the US, but here in the UK there are regulations and laws governing advertising, and already mobile phone networks are being forced to make FUPs more prominent - in fact, "Unlimited*" is pretty much gone from UK mobile networks - you either get true Unlimited or a clearly stated limit.
The point of a Fair Use Policy is exactly that - to ensure everyone on the network acts fairly. If you are automatically charged for exceeding a FUP then you need to challenge it, but if you routinely exceed it then you'll be charged, naturally.
Essentially a FUP is the networks way of saying "Use as much data as you like, but if you take the piss and it starts affecting the network performance, we'll start charging you more" - generally FUPs are WAY higher than the data you would use from heavy use web browsing, they are designed more to discourage sitting there watching hours of video over a mobile connection, when you really should either be on WiFi or keep the video on internal storage.

Yep, it's works

Storage and the Cloud: Let's be reasonable, people...

I started writing this post in another thread but I felt it was better off in it's own. Please read it in full if you're going to respond, I know it's long but you'll just look silly if you don't:
The reality is that most data plans are limited to 500MB, or if you're lucky 1GB, and for the vast majority of users this is way more than enough - in my case I do occasionally go over, which is why I'm on a plan where I just pay £5 per 500MB, it might not be the cheapest option but it's the best for me, and my bills are normally £30 a month, which is very reasonable for the quality of service I get.
Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it. With android/iPhone that isn't a problem because average joe will buy it regardless and probably won't have a clue what they're buying, but Windows Phone is a harder sell, despite being a better system (in a lot of our opinons, I believe).
In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
For music, I don't know of anybody who actually listens to their entire music collection on their phone, and in my own perfect world I wish people would realise this. My way around not being able to store all of my music on my phone is to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
I personally love my HTC 7 Pro and won't be changing it. It isn't perfect, but I'm not going to moan endlessly about what's wrong with it, I'm going to give my opinion where it's relevant, and if there's a good response I'll back it up with my reasoning. That's how forums should work.

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What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it.
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The best way to show OEMs that it's worthwile would be for one of them to have one out and for the others to see how it sells. Not by having everyone on this forum sending them a letter. The question is they don't they make the effort, at least once? When you see a N9 with 64GB and a Lumia 800 with 16GB it hurts.

Really not sure why its thought only apple can accomplish things like having a smartphone line with large storage options. There's a very simple solution to this: offer a larger 32GB storage option at a $100 premium in limited quantities (just like Dell did with the DVP) and see what happens. In Dell's case it didn't sell well (likely due to their distribution model) and it was withdrawn. OEM's like HTC and Samsung will be better placed to make this option work but again, have the option to withdraw the higher priced option.
In any case, it seems they are still in softly softly mode with WP7 so I doubt anyone but Nokia will be the first to offer higher levels of storage. The cloud though is absolutely not the blanket solution for everybody, though it works for some but for others the current storage options will definitely be insufficient.

Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !

Good responses, thanks! I think the main reason that none of the OEMs has released a higher capacity model is sheer numbers.
With Android, even if the high capacity model sells 10% of the volume of the low capacity version, that's still a lot of units. With WP7, though, the sales of the single model probably aren't enough to justify making variations as that will just make it harder to sell to the distributor (the network, mainly).
Like you efjay, I'm hopeful that with Nokia on board and Mango being more like the sort of feature-rich software people demand volumes will slowly start to increase and the manufacturers will start to break their model ranges into more variants.
IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.

arturobandini said:
Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !
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I never said that Apple didn't do well. What I said, was that WP7 has to be targeted at a big, but specific type of consumer base to work well, and that most of that consumer base probably don't know or care how much storage they have - once the volumes increase, then there will be more variants with more storage, but right now there is no incentive to provide high capacity variants because the networks will price them out of the market and they won't sell to joe public.

andrewkeith5 said:
IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.
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Difference here is the territory. In Europe (and the UK in particular) the Lumia devices will be on practically every carrier (except it seems O2 cos of their iphone love) and are being backed by a huge marketing campaign and incentives to customers and probably sales staff. You can even pre-order the Nokia phones which has never happened for any other WP7 device. In the US however, the story is radically different - T-Mobile has announced only 1 new device, nothing for Sprint and Verizon, which leaves at&t who will have 3 new devices and none of these devices are being given special treatment, rather they are just being thrown up on the carrier's website with no fanfare. With that kind of lopsided distribution and lack of promotion, along with the acknowledged bias, its no wonder WP7 struggles in the US, and that really is down to poor carrier support. US carriers have no problem stocking the same android model but WP7 is largely ignored. Until that changes there is no way WP7 is going to make nay headway, at least in the US.
I think though, that with Nokia's media push, brand recognition and seemingly well liked devices WP7 can do very well in Europe. It will be interesting to see the sales figures for the Lumia 800/710 this holiday compared to other handsets in Europe and the US. The US looks like it will continue to have a poor selection of WP7 devices and be dominated by ios and android.

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1) Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
2) In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
3) to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
4) In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
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1) cloud features, like uploading audio, video, pictures, documents, (FILES) whenever, wherever ? this is extremely important. look at the protests, police brutality, natural disasters, and corruption caught by cell phone cameras. without an instant upload, the phone could be confiscated, the person punished (off record beating) and the public never the wiser. cloud = power, pricey for data or not, it is powerful.
2) videos are something fun to share, with family, friends, coworkers. renting a movie on youtube/itunes/whatever and showing the funny part to a friend is a blast, and stimulates more purchases/rents normally. self-shot videos are fun to share instantly, with other smart phones, via bluetooth or wifi... and guarantees there is a copy should you drop yours in the water/mud/etc. the option of streaming that movie to your 32Gb whatever-pad is awesome, and should be standard practice now. how are you going to watch the HD 3D video you just shot with your smart phone with poor vision , unless you can transfer it to the 32Gb somehow ? this is where wp7 fails, because of whatever reason they restricted moving files around and file access.
3) personally i only keep 2-3Gb of music on my phone. most of it is synced 2-3 times a month now, rented or bought from amazon/whoever, or just ripped from a cd. music is a non-issue, with a 32Gb microsd card. <--- this is another thing I can't understand microsoft crippling.
4) yep, understood. data plans are getting rediculously expensive by the month. 1Gb for $30 ? but then pack on tons of 'apps' that eat data 24/7 as oem junk ? all the US carriers are really sucking in this requard. they have the bandwidth, they have the infrastructure, but greeeeeeeeeed is creating a suck-zone of expense for anyone expecting "UNLIMITED" anything.

Of they support as cards the whole price argument falls on its face. Either support sd or offer more storage options. The cloud is terrible. It leads to worse battery life due to the constant downloading and it can be a terrible experience if reception isn't great where you are.
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I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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JustinTV773 said:
I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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The radar is a mid range device. Its comparable to focus flash not focus s.
The storage is a huge problem.
They pushing away early adapters with that, and thats their only marketing worth mentioning right now (their fanbois).
The focus s has < 13gb free on a fresh boot... ... ...
Again. With sd support, the low storage would be nonfactor.
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Right now the best and only option for over 32gb of storage is a first gen Focus. If you want storage get this phone for $0.01 from at&t and spend the money for a 32gb card. I really wanted to upgrade from my focus to something with a FFC but I guess I am a customer that wants too much. It is too much to want a phone with lots of storage AND a FFC. So that means I won't be spending any money on a phone any time soon I guess. Someone lost a sale.

To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?

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To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
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This kind of makes my point....15GBs of music by most compression standards amounts to roughly 150 hrs of music, of which this user listens to "at least 3 hours" of daily. Really? And this is supposed to back up the argument for needing more space? Really? And what about video? How much USEFUL video do most of us actually carry around on our phones? If I have a video, that means that Ive probably already seen it and, unlike music, have no reason to be carrying it around with me on my phone. Like most people (I believe) the vast majority of videos that I watch on my phone are streamed i.e YouTube, Netflix etc.
(and as for Apple [on the 4s only] offering more storage meaning that there is suddenly a demand, do not forget that the 2 best selling phones in the world are iphones with 8 and 16 GBs of total storage)
My point is: Unless your phone is your ONLY piece of hardware i.e. NO computer etc., somebody who is complaining about needing 32GBs+ of media storage on their PHONE please in some kind of detail explain how you are actually making use of anywhere close to even 1/10th of it on a daily basis.

That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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N8ter said:
That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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Thats only music? Yes, as I pointed out, thats WAY WAY more music than you could actually have any realistic use for on your phone unless you were stranded on the moon for a year. And how many gigs of video (that you've most likey already seen) do you really carry around with you on your phone and make use of on a daily basis?
Like I challenged: if you really need 32GBs+ of storage explain how you actually (in detail) use it all up and actually make use of it.

N8ter said:
I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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JustinTV773 said:
Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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I tend to agree that 8 & 16GB phones sell more because of being cheaper. But when a person wants something larger, they will go to whatever is available instead of settling for the smaller capacities. Myself as an example. When I bought my iPhone 4, I originally bought a 16GB because it was $100 cheaper and then started seeing how the games were filling it up rapidly after all of my music and pictures and other media were on it. I chose to return it for a 32GB model and even payed the return fee to get one.
I know there is a percentage of customers MS will lose out on because of the lower capacity phones they are choosing to stay with. Apple looks to get all customers rather than a majority who may be satisfied with 8 or 16GB.

There will be a percentage of customers that Microsoft lose out on, but I guess they know that, they are not stupid.
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Thought about buying GN, but....

Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?

I looked at that phone... it's just way too big. For now I will just enjoy my NS on ICS, but I am thinking about either the SGS2 for my next phone (once it has CM9) or just waiting for the SGS3.

maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.

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Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.

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maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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LOL!
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week... I would just like to go from having a phone and dedicated mp3 player to just a phone with all of my music on it.
My Zune.. is nearly 2 years old and has 32GB of storage. You're telling me that a brand new cutting edge phone should be artificially limited to 16GB?
I guess that's what I was getting at. I am at a loss as to why the verizon model has 32GB and the GSM has 16GB. Why even have a 16GB model at all?

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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.

Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.

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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.

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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
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As far as reliability goes, I wasn't talking about cloud computing being everywhere right now. IT is out there, but not on global/efficient scale. But in a couple of years, with technology advancements, there won't be any more limitations to spectrum coverage, like in tunnels or areas with no/bad coverage. Also, probably no more bandwidth caps as well. So this IS the future, there's no point in arguing about it. Your point was if it's feasible right now. Well, so and so. You can still rely on Google Music if you want, because it has offline storage. And 3200 offline songs storage capability + streaming when you actually can (not in tunnels), can make your life easier, without the need of 64/128 GB storage. So you can still manage this, if you try; that's what I wanted to say.

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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?

EcPercy said:
On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
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People seriously need to stop underestimating the Galaxy Nexus hardware, I would dare to say it beats every other phone on the market.
Closest thing would be the iPhone 4S.
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.

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Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week...
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Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.

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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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That's a very constructive and effective commentary, good job ! I bet mama's very proud of her son's intelligence.

Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?

BlackOtaku said:
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
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What help can we even provide him with?
Why ask this on a forum, Google are more likely to know the answer.

SamsungVibrant said:
Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Some of us use reasonable listening volumes.

zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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The point is that if you're out and you don't happen to have a certain song you wanna hear on your phone, you can stream it.
It's not meant to be a total replacement.

look, the gnex is the best fone right now. period. and it will be. till the next nexus. get it and you wont regret. the camera and the display will just blow you away. then you will go to the bathroom and come back and turn it on and the display will blow you away again. wat can i say, it has been happening to me every time i turn it on for the past 4 days! Same as you, storage was the biggest concern for me too. But my music and gameloft games fit fine on it, as far as movies go, i just got a usb otg cable and use my existing usb key/microsd. problem solved. for regular use, i would say 32gb is perfect, but 16gb gets the job done quite well, plus usb otg for vids! and i turnd my fone on again and went "wow"!

Gsm its sexier than lte ...
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dario3040 said:
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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I would say you are spot on here, but... I mentioned before that I spend 2 hours a day on the MRT. For those in the USA you would better know this as the Subway. The internet just isn't good enough for constant streaming while moving along in the train and we have TONS of people all checking the internet as well so that makes your speed go WAY down even when you are above ground.
Now that my phone (NS) has ICS I can see what kind of data google music is using, but I am a little sceptical that you can use google music and not go over your data limit for the month. I have a 12GB plan for data, but I am also sharing that data with my GT 10.1 and I watch TONS of YT videos while at work.
Now for everyone else. Don't get me wrong. I like google phones. I have owned the N1 and NS. I am ready for a phone upgrade now, but torn. I want the newest google experience phone. I prefer that to any of the UI addons that come from the manufacturers. I HATE touch UX on my GT 10.1 and I can't wait to get rid of it for CM9 (when it is out on my tab). I can wait if 16GB is all we get for storage. Maybe the 16GB version is all that will come out until Samsung gets the initial demand met and then we will see larger version like a 32 and 64GB model. (who knows right?)
My NS is currently sitting at less than 2GB of free space and my old GT10.1 (also 16GB) was sitting at about 1GB free after I put some cbt nuggets on it to watch while I am at work to prepare for a certification exam. I have since gotten a GT 10.1 (32GB) and I am not hurting at all for storage, but this is not practical to use as an MP3 player while working out...
So that's it. I am not dogging the hardware. I am just questioning the storage decision with more and more apps coming out that have extra downloads after installing the initial app you are going to need more and more space.

So, I made my first NFC payment today...

I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?

Deanwvu said:
Am I missing something?
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Did you get your $10?
I don't know about purchases but I have some cool ideas about things to do with my new NFC tags.

Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Buff McBigstuff said:
Did you get your $10?
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I did It was certainly worth $10 to give this a go!!
psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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I can see that as an advantage, perhaps. Maybe there will be a day when I walk out of my door carrying only my ID, my phone, and my car keys, but not yet. I do not trust my phone to be working all the time every day. All it would take is one phone failure when I actually need to purchase something to sour the experience for good.
Again, when it comes to purchasing goods/services, I think simple is best. Time will tell.

Security. Your credit card is an archaic tool rife with vulnerabilities. Chip based payment systems are arguably more secure.

psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.

I tried it a while back at Best Buy, especially since Google is handing out a free $10. Yeah, it's nothing special, but I like the idea of keeping some cash on there in case I ever leave my wallet at home. I've gone out of town on business before only to get 2 hours down the road and realize I don't have my wallet. I NEVER leave my phone. It's a good option to have.

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Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
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I've seen much worse
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's because you're now old school.
Don't worry I argued this same point - there's not much appeal when I have to carry a wallet anyway for my ID and some cash for places that charge for credit cards. Google wallet takes more work than paying for a card for me.
But I could see this being a fundamental shift in payment for younger generations who might have a phone but no real need for a wallet - who will grow up used to this system.
The real issue at the moment is battery life, I'm sure 5-10 years from now week+ battery life will be the norm and using phone for everything will become acceptable. Phones will also not be so fragile (cough iphone) so it will be as reliable as a piece of card (or almost).
Personally though, I think an NFC card would be way more convenient. It could be the size of a credit card, with a touch screen interface that lets you use it for payment or as a driver's license. But this kind of tech is probably at least 10 years away.

Can I ask you guys which method is the best one out there ?
I do have root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20404813&postcount=350

I think I'm a little confused by wallet. I know it wasn't inclued out of the box because of Verizon. I was able to download it from the market, install and activate it. I have the $10 and went to test it. I went to pay and the phone said sent but did not display the merchant for confirmation and the merchant didn't receive it either. They are supposedly setup for it. Do I need to grab one the other APKs and reinstall or is there any ideas you guys may have? I've searched plenty and saw no mention of what I'm experiencing. Thanks for any insight.

+1
Thank you!
finally some one that sees the truth
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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I am on the fence, see the pros and cons with both...but eventually when the NYC MTA implements this technology broadly it would pretty sweet to use if you happen to misplace or forget your train ticket and/or metro card

For now, I have to agree. It is less convenient than just using a card.
What would ultimately be really cool is to replace all those things we're talking about with just your phone. Unlock your house, start your car, verify your identity, pay for stuff... all with one device. But until I can ditch my wallet and keys entirely, it's just another way to complicate things instead of a solution to make life simpler. Can't wait for the future!

I've now used it at about 5 different locations and it's pretty fast, with much potential. assuming you've entered your pin ahead of time, it's faster than paying with a physical card. my phone hasn't crashed for more than a month (since going to custom roms) and fcs are extremely rare. therefore it's as reliable as I expect it to be
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My phone gave me fits when I tried to use Google Wallet at Rite Aid. Fortunately the cashier mived the rest of the line behind me to a free register so I could keep trying, because I had to start over like 8 times. It's a nice gimmick for now, but it won't really be practical until more businesses support it and the bugs get worked out.
Terminators run on Android

I see the appeal in that my phone is quickly becoming my life "tool"
First it integrated my iPod/music player, now does movies, now does hand held games, mobile web browser and email means its now used for work purposes... replicon now has timesheet app so it also records my time in/out of a job......google wallet is now what I use to pay for groceries at the store instead of carrying my wallet in my pocket and possibly loosing my wallet... if my phone is lost, they have to go through 3 passwords before getting to my wallet.
Im thinking more of it as a "why not"... my phone is becoming more and more useful

out for a run with only my phone, need a drink, run into cvs, swipe phone

I used it at 7-11 yesterday just to test it with the free $10. It worked flawlessly but I don't see replacing my wallet until everyone accepts this interface.
I would use it more now if I was able to add my Wells Fargo debit card. Hopefully the ability to add any type of debit/credit card will be the next stag of evolution for this service.
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One advantage is that you can see all your previous transactions electronically more conveniently (not having to log into your credit card account, or wait a day or two before the transaction showing up there).
Another advantage is that coupons and deals can be used more easily. For example, right now if you go into Google Wallet, you can choose offers like 15% off entire purchase at Gap & Banana Republic when you pay with NFC. The offers are pretty limited right now, but I reserve my judgement until Google Wallet or Isis (Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile NFC payment system) take off.
In principle, it is more secure since even if you lost your phone, with your phone unlocked, other people can't use it for NFC payment since it requires an additional PIN code. But then of course losing the phone itself probably costs a lot too...
If Google Wallet or Isis gain traction, more credit card companies will jump in. And hopefully that means you can add more credit cards can be stored on your phone, eliminating the need to carry a number of physical cards.
Oh... and it saves a lot of time for a typical female not having to find an additional item in their over-stuffed purses.