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Hello guys
I´m new here and also quite new to the custom rom scene.
You can skip my story if you want. The questions are below
I bought a Desire (bravo Amoled) around a year ago with a T-mobile Branding.
At this time the actual android version was 2.1 Eclair. Later tehre was 2.2 Froyo out. Becaus i didn´t wanted to wait for the T-mobile update I debranded my phone so get the open 2.2 Froyo update.
I was so happy Froyo had the App2SD function, because now i can intall more apps then before. But with all the updates for google maps, google mail, facebook apps...and user that have to stay on phone memory and the user apps moved to SD still storing data on the internal memory and the dalvik cache i soon again had space problems. Still i can´t install all apps i like.
So lived with this problem not aware of a solution till 2-3 weeks ago, where i finally rooted my phone and installed a custom Rom with A2SD+.
Now I have a rooted, S-OFF phone with Insertcoin V49 A2SD+ Version. And i thought there would be no more space problems, because the dalvik cache and all apps are now on the fake internal memory (1,5 GB ext3). But NO, there are still apps storing stuff on the real internal memory. At last i had problems to move Plants vs. Zombies (~70MB) from SD (Froyoinstall) to the ext, because the internal mem hadn´t enough space and it wouldn´t let me move.
Next step CM7 Hboot?
So here are some questions to understand how that works.
1. When i install a CM7 Hboot, the data partition (internal memory) will be bigger, yes? Means there will be almost double space for app DATAs?
2. The system partition, where the actual ROM is stored and booted is smaller?
2a. But that means some parts of the ROM need to be moved to the SD?
2b. Doesn´t this make the entire phone slower? Because reading from the SD card is slower then from nand? (8GB Class4)
2c. Is there higher power consumtion because of constantly SD access?
3. The cache partition is dramatically decreased to 5 MB. What is ist used for and will there any diadvantages because of the small size?
4. What happens with the Dalvik? Where is ist stored?
5. Does A2SD+ still work with the CM7 insertcoin version? (big ext 3 fake internal memory) or only Froyo A2SD with the bigger real internal memory?
6. How do people get 160-180 free RAM? I have around 100-110 MB.
So my goal is to get as much space available for user apps and getting a faster device (or at least dont get a slower one)
Hope someone read all my questions and can give me clarity..
Thanks in advance
Beegee
no one?
indbeegee said:
So here are some questions to understand how that works.
1. When i install a CM7 Hboot, the data partition (internal memory) will be bigger, yes? Means there will be almost double space for app DATAs?
2. The system partition, where the actual ROM is stored and booted is smaller?
2a. But that means some parts of the ROM need to be moved to the SD?
2b. Doesn´t this make the entire phone slower? Because reading from the SD card is slower then from nand? (8GB Class4)
2c. Is there higher power consumtion because of constantly SD access?
3. The cache partition is dramatically decreased to 5 MB. What is ist used for and will there any diadvantages because of the small size?
4. What happens with the Dalvik? Where is ist stored?
5. Does A2SD+ still work with the CM7 insertcoin version? (big ext 3 fake internal memory) or only Froyo A2SD with the bigger real internal memory?
6. How do people get 160-180 free RAM? I have around 100-110 MB.
Beegee
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Hi beegee,
I'm new to this myself, so not an expert, but I just flashed the CM7r2 hboot myself and will help where I can. Note, I am using CyanogenMod7, not InsertCoin.
1. Yes, the system and cache partitions used by the phone ROM are decreased substantially, system decreases from 250MB to 145MB and cache from 40MB to 5MB. This extra space is then added to the internal data partition for your apps and games. I only have a few apps installed at the moment and my data partition is 287MB total, 21MB used, 266MB free space.
2. Yes, see above.
2a. No, the ROM only requires 145MB, none of it is stored on the sdcard.
3. I'm sure the cache must be a fixed size. Mine (with CyanogenMod7) has remained at 4MB since install so a 5MB partition is large enough.
4. I store dalvik-cache on the ext3 partition of my sdcard as you are doing now. If you moved it back to the phone memory it would be stored in the data partition.
5. I use a version of A2SD with the CM7 hboot and it works fine.
6. I've not used insertcoin but as I said in the first answer I have 287MB data partition in my phone now. This is due to using the CM7 hboot.
Hope this helps,
Steve
The larger cache size from the stock Hboot is meant for OTA updates so we have no use for that. It's also used to flash radio images from recovery. If your cache is too small, like it is in the CM7 and Oxygen Hboots, you will need to flash the radio via fastboot but you don't really need to worry about flashing radio's anyways..can look into that later if you want.
Thanks for the answers by now.
What i found out:
The Insertcoin is a Sense enabled rom. The zip of the Rom is about 288 Meg big. Its not an AOSP like Cyanogen, which is so sleek to fit completely in the smaller system partition. I extracted both Insertcoin A2SD and CM7 zips and found that they have a sdext folder. On the cm7 version it is 365 Meg and on the a2sd+ 80 Meg big. So both versions install files on the external partition.
Only open question now is if the CM7 version supports A2SD+
Edit: Obviously the CM7 version has no A2SD+
Also the the new bigger system partition only has ~ 80 Meg free after first boot ?!
Hello. I haven't installed, yet a custom ROM (I'm still on Rooted Stock), but documented a little to understand even better what each ROM does.
1. I saw that you wanted a very fast ROM, the only ones that are really fast are the AOSP ROM's since they are in the most minimalistic form possible --> ~150MB
2. You should also take in consideration that a small cache partition may slow down some games. This was tested and problems appeared at some games, which use some improved graphics. The games also store there some of the "graphics files"? and since the partition is too small, it has to constanly read/write/delete.
3. CM7 version supports A2SD+: you should read the whole thread from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917570. It explains all. As I have read some of it two things popped-up:
-CyanogenMod do not officially support a2sd, i'm working on it because desire (not only) desperatly need it (cutted down Firerat script)
-Other a2sd can be used, this is just the easiest way: use recovery to partition your SD then install cm7_legacy_a2sd_rX-signed.zip
Hope this helps you.
UsManyDead said:
Hello. I haven't installed, yet a custom ROM (I'm still on Rooted Stock), but documented a little to understand even better what each ROM does.
1. I saw that you wanted a very fast ROM, the only ones that are really fast are the AOSP ROM's since they are in the most minimalistic form possible --> ~150MB
2. You should also take in consideration that a small cache partition may slow down some games. This was tested and problems appeared at some games, which use some improved graphics. The games also store there some of the "graphics files"? and since the partition is too small, it has to constanly read/write/delete.
3. CM7 version supports A2SD+: you should read the whole thread from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917570. It explains all. As I have read some of it two things popped-up:
-CyanogenMod do not officially support a2sd, i'm working on it because desire (not only) desperatly need it (cutted down Firerat script)
-Other a2sd can be used, this is just the easiest way: use recovery to partition your SD then install cm7_legacy_a2sd_rX-signed.zip
Hope this helps you.
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Hello
Thanks for the infos. I know the ASOP roms are faster, but i don´t want to miss the Sense UI.
To 3. I think there was a misunderstanding. When is say CM7 i dont mean the rom "CyanogenMod7" but the CM7 Hboot Version of Insertcoin rom.
I just tried to postinstall a2sd via http://www.darktremor.info/files/a2sd/dtapps2sd-2.7.5.3-beta04-signed.zip
But after installation in recovery, the phone wont boot Insertcoin. Stuck at Alpharev Bootstreen now.
jordan.harris01 said:
The larger cache size from the stock Hboot is meant for OTA updates so we have no use for that. It's also used to flash radio images from recovery. If your cache is too small, like it is in the CM7 and Oxygen Hboots, you will need to flash the radio via fastboot but you don't really need to worry about flashing radio's anyways..can look into that later if you want.
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Presumably the HBOOT and Radio partitions are the same size whichever HBOOT you use, and Radio immediately follows HBOOT. Otherwise you would have to flash the Radio if you changed he partition map by (eg) going from Stock to CM7.
indbeegee said:
I just tried to postinstall a2sd via http://www.darktremor.info/files/a2s...a04-signed.zip
But after installation in recovery, the phone wont boot Insertcoin. Stuck at Alpharev Bootstreen now.
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If you've done a nandroid back-up before trying to flash the A2SD+ scripts (which is advised!!!) you should go back to recovery and restore it. You should go back to your InsertCoin again and try the steps once again. Maybe you did something wrong or got a wrong file.
UsManyDead said:
If you've done a nandroid back-up before trying to flash the A2SD+ scripts (which is advised!!!) you should go back to recovery and restore it. You should go back to your InsertCoin again and try the steps once again. Maybe you did something wrong or got a wrong file.
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No, i didn´t made a nandroid backup, because ist was a new Insertcoin CM7 install. No personal data to lose.
I just wiped and made a new install. Now i have 199 Meg internal memory free.
Edit: After installing DT A2SD in recovery again, the phone is again stuck at Alpharev splash What now?
Edit2: After installing the Rom over without wipe, Insertcoin boots normaly. But i encountered, force reboots when installing any app.
So i made a new fresh isntall.
Conclusion: Insertcoin uses my Ext4 for its Data. But will not use it as fake internal memory. My Ext4 is ~1,5 GB big. Insertcoin uses 600 MB from it and the leftover 900 MB are wastetd, because no one uses it.
Edit 3: Insertcoin doesnt like Ext4. Everytime i tried to install Astro File Manager fom Market the phone rebootet. No problem with Ext3
I recently installed InsertCoin's CM7 HBOOT/STOCK 1.1.1, after installing my internal memory has become really low and i only get 120mb of ram when i got 220mb on the official 2.2. I have partitioned my sd card using gparted. I made a normal fat32 and a EXT4. Do i need to make a EXT3 partition? also how would i know if the apps are on my sd card since i cannot move them manually with application manager. Please can you help me. Thanks
Phone info:
HTC Desire Sim Free
S-off using Revolutionary
Rooted with Unrevoked
Current Rom: Official HTC 2.2
Its normal to have low than froyo couse its gb android
And no u dont need ext3 just ext4
If u wanna know if ur apps goes to ur ext4 in ur sd card
Go to market search quick sysktem info pro
U will notice A2SD PARTITION label under basic info
It will tell u how much used and how much free
Dont get mad of free 120 mb i have 87 app installed
All workes fine
Hope iam usefull
do i have to move the apps to the sd card with the application manager because after installing less than 15 apps i get low memory notifications, i had like 40kb internal memory. Using the System Info app i can see that my ext4/a2sd is being used.
ruhelking1 said:
do i have to move the apps to the sd card with the application manager because after installing less than 15 apps i get low memory notifications, i had like 40kb internal memory. Using the System Info app i can see that my ext4/a2sd is being used.
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How big ist your ext 4 Partition?
i made a 2gb etx4 partition using gparted. I think the apps are going on to the ext4 partition from the memory reading on System Info but im still getting low memory notification
i read somewhere that i might need to move dalvik cache to sd. do i need to do this. i have not done anything other than what i have said in my original post. If needs be i can upload some screenshots of quick system info or anything u might need to see
Just to refresh
MY PHONE INFO:
HTC Desire Sim Free
S-off with Revolutionary
Rooted using Unrevoked
ClockworkMod Recovery
Currently on Instertcoin 1.1.2 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016940)
16gb Memory card = 12.9gb Fat32 and 2gb EXT4
Wiped Data and everything else before 1st install (Dalvik cache,cache)
ruhelking1 said:
i read somewhere that i might need to move dalvik cache to sd. do i need to do this. i have not done anything other than what i have said in my original post. If needs be i can upload some screenshots of quick system info or anything u might need to see
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Try the a2sd+ gui and try to move dalvik cache to SD.
grandem said:
Try the a2sd+ gui and try to move dalvik cache to SD.
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how would i move the dalvik cache. Also if i use the A2SD+ version of the rom, would i install it exactly the same as CM7 or would i have to do something different pre or post install?
SOLVED!!!!
i flashed the CM7r2 hboot from alpharev.nl by downloading the hboot, naming it PB99IMG.zip and using clockwork recovery to update the hboot. then i installed Insertcoins 1.1.2 rom.
WARNING!!!!
FLASHING A NEW HBOOT WILL MAKE YOUR OLD NANDROID BACKUP REDUNDANT, YOU CAN ONLY USE ROMS WITH CM7
Hi
I have a question regarding the available internal memory for installing new apps.
One of the main reasons i rooted my desre was to gain additional space to avoid the constant low memory space warnings.
So from my understanding, the additional space is achieved in 2 ways. Firstly using a custom hboot which gives more space to data/apps than the standard stock hboot. I've updated to alpharev cmr2 which should give me 287 internal mem.
Secondly with the use of apps2sd+ more apps should be moveable to the sd card.
So far I have flashed a miui rom and now I've got the cooleve runnymede v5 rom.
When i was using the miui rom - internal space appeared to be showing approx 400mb available. When I have flashed the coolexe rom internal space available appears as approx 120mb.
Why is there a difference between the 2?
What I want is sense 3.5 rom which will give me approx 1gig memory to install apps to without worying about space. is this possible or have all recent efforts gone to waste and I'm back at square one???
Thanks
manny
Wipe the phone and then re-install the ROM but before rebooting it flash amarullz ADSDX script then reboot. Should get 1gb but it will take 10-20 mins on first boot so wait!
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App
Whats the difference between using x2sdx and apps2sd?
Is one better than the other or do they both do different things? And are all roms compatible with this?
Thanks
Same issue
Hi,
I have rooted my desire for the same reason as mannysroot - low memory!
I have rooted with unRevoked and installed CM7. I got some more freed up internal memory as the stock HTC apps were gone. However, after installing a few apps, I again got the low memory issue!
My Titanium Backup shows:
System ROM: 262 MB (122 MB free)
Internal: 154 MB (15.8 MB free)
My queries:
1. Now, while my internal still remains a measly 154mb, I have got free space on the system rom! Can I use this for my apps?
2. Do I need to install the app2sd scripts mentioned above? Cos I already can move most of the apps to the sd card. Of course, some apps refuse to move.
Just to complete, my device info:
HTC Desire GSM
CM7 - through - Unrevoked & ClockworkMod Recovery)
S - ON.
I have searched on xda forums and a whole host of others. Sorry if I'm being a noob.
Thanks in advance (for reading at least)
Zany Guy said:
Hi,
I have rooted my desire for the same reason as mannysroot - low memory!
I have rooted with unRevoked and installed CM7. I got some more freed up internal memory as the stock HTC apps were gone. However, after installing a few apps, I again got the low memory issue!
My Titanium Backup shows:
System ROM: 262 MB (122 MB free)
Internal: 154 MB (15.8 MB free)
My queries:
1. Now, while my internal still remains a measly 154mb, I have got free space on the system rom! Can I use this for my apps?
2. Do I need to install the app2sd scripts mentioned above? Cos I already can move most of the apps to the sd card. Of course, some apps refuse to move.
Just to complete, my device info:
HTC Desire GSM
CM7 - through - Unrevoked & ClockworkMod Recovery)
S - ON.
I have searched on xda forums and a whole host of others. Sorry if I'm being a noob.
Thanks in advance (for reading at least)
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Zanyguy - from my understanding, firstly you need to S-off which gives you access to write to a part of the memory which is currently locked. Once you have achieved s-off you will have access to this area. To do it - i used the revolutionary tool.
Once you've done that, you can update your hboot. Again from my understanding, updating the hboot will update the layout of internal memory. I updated to CMr2 hboot (downloaded from alpharev.nl website). What this gives in theory is 287 internal mem. The area used for storing the rom will now be a lot smaller, which will mean your stock rom ownt work. So you will need to flash a custom rom which will fit - look for the cool 3d runnymede v5 which I am currently using.
Once you've done all of that you will probably get to the same stage I'm at - whilst you've gained more memory, its not as much as expected.
You will also need to partition your sd card to have an ext4 partition. i used gparted tool for this. I allocated, 1gig for the ext4 partition, thinking that I will have 1gig to use for apps etc. However, so far this hasnt been the case, but having an ext4 partition appears to be a requirement for a number of roms.
Thanks
Manny
Can anyone help with my original questions?
mannysroot said:
Whats the difference between using x2sdx and apps2sd?
Is one better than the other or do they both do different things? And are all roms compatible with this?
Thanks
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XD2SDX makes your ext4 partition look like internal memory, e.g 1gb ext4 will look like 1gb internal memory!
It's only for certain ROM's. It works fine in coolexe's sense 3D 3.5.
Here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18911182&postcount=1784
Steps:
Change your HBOOT to CM7r2 using the bootloader
Wipe all of your system using your recovery
Flash the coolsense 3.5
Flash Amarullz XD2SDX script
reboot
Wait 15-20 mins when the HTC screen appears
And follow the setup
And you're done!
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Zany Guy said:
Hi,
I have rooted my desire for the same reason as mannysroot - low memory!
I have rooted with unRevoked and installed CM7. I got some more freed up internal memory as the stock HTC apps were gone. However, after installing a few apps, I again got the low memory issue!
My Titanium Backup shows:
System ROM: 262 MB (122 MB free)
Internal: 154 MB (15.8 MB free)
My queries:
1. Now, while my internal still remains a measly 154mb, I have got free space on the system rom! Can I use this for my apps?
2. Do I need to install the app2sd scripts mentioned above? Cos I already can move most of the apps to the sd card. Of course, some apps refuse to move.
Just to complete, my device info:
HTC Desire GSM
CM7 - through - Unrevoked & ClockworkMod Recovery)
S - ON.
I have searched on xda forums and a whole host of others. Sorry if I'm being a noob.
Thanks in advance (for reading at least)
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I suspect you're using the stock HBOOT.
You need a 1gb ext4 partition on your memory card using GParted
Flash CM7 again
You'll need Darktremors apps2sd script
Follow the instructions:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=158809660835039
Flash the downloaded file straightafter flashing CM7
You'll now have loads of space for your apps!
topgeardave said:
I suspect you're using the stock HBOOT.
You need a 1gb ext4 partition on your memory card using GParted
Flash CM7 again
You'll need Darktremors apps2sd script
Follow the instructions:
(facebook link)
Flash the downloaded file straightafter flashing CM7
You'll now have loads of space for your apps!
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I followed the steps above, but I'm not sure it worked. After I installed the Darktremors script, my phone hung on the HTC boot screen. After awhile, I pulled the battery and it rebooted fine. However, I'm only showing 100 mb free. I ran Quick System Info and it appears my ext4 partition is working fine. Are there any settings I need to change? I have a Desire CDMA, does that matter?
By the sounds of it there isnt much point/advantage to apps2sd+???
I tried a newer version of the Darktremor script and the phone rebooted fine. However, I'm still at less than 100 mb free. What can I try next?
DamonZ28 said:
I tried a newer version of the Darktremor script and the phone rebooted fine. However, I'm still at less than 100 mb free. What can I try next?
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Download titanium backup pro from the market and under apps2sd tell me how much space you have.
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mannysroot said:
By the sounds of it there isnt much point/advantage to apps2sd+???
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To a certain point there is. The darktremors app2sd script allows the apps to be installed on the ext partition and therefore allows you to install more apps!
Although XD2SDX is now my favourite script but you need the cm7r2 partition to use it. As you already have it, it is all good
System ROM: 262 MB (117 MB free)
Internal: 154 MB (58.9 MB free)
SD card: 14.0 GB (13.3 GB free)
SD card (a2sd): 1.55 GB (1.51 GB free)
It seems that Darktremor is working to some degree (or maybe the CM7 rom is just better). It's moving more of the app to the SD card than my stock rom did. However, it's not moving anything to the ext4 partition.
Would I be able to do the cm7r2 partition with XD2SDX and have better results?
topgeardave said:
Download titanium backup pro from the market and under apps2sd tell me how much space you have.
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To a certain point there is. The darktremors app2sd script allows the apps to be installed on the ext partition and therefore allows you to install more apps!
Although XD2SDX is now my favourite script but you need the cm7r2 partition to use it. As you already have it, it is all good
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How do I check whether the apps2sd is writing to the ext4 partition or not? Or how can i see how much is being used of the ext4 partition?
Download sebastiaan15 Runnymede AIO V3.0.5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1315961 Make sure you have CM7/r2 Hboot and have partitioned your sd card with Gparted.
First partition fat32-primary second ext4 primary.
Put rom zip on sd card and boot into recovery full wipe, even in advanced settings wipe dont touch battery.
Flash RoM and at the end it will ask you if you want xd2sdx or normal a2sd+ you want to select YES. thats it reboot and enjoy 1GB storage.
mannysroot said:
Zanyguy - from my understanding, firstly you need to S-off which gives you access to write to a part of the memory which is currently locked. Once you have achieved s-off you will have access to this area. To do it - i used the revolutionary tool.
Once you've done that, you can update your hboot. Again from my understanding, updating the hboot will update the layout of internal memory. I updated to CMr2 hboot (downloaded from alpharev.nl website). What this gives in theory is 287 internal mem. The area used for storing the rom will now be a lot smaller, which will mean your stock rom ownt work. So you will need to flash a custom rom which will fit - look for the cool 3d runnymede v5 which I am currently using.
Once you've done all of that you will probably get to the same stage I'm at - whilst you've gained more memory, its not as much as expected.
You will also need to partition your sd card to have an ext4 partition. i used gparted tool for this. I allocated, 1gig for the ext4 partition, thinking that I will have 1gig to use for apps etc. However, so far this hasnt been the case, but having an ext4 partition appears to be a requirement for a number of roms.
Thanks
Manny
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Thanks Manny!
I guessed as much after seeing S-ON. Well, I guess I'll first try S-OFF and then go for the 1 gig partition if required. Scared of tinkering with things I hardly understand!
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topgeardave said:
I suspect you're using the stock HBOOT.
You need a 1gb ext4 partition on your memory card using GParted
Flash CM7 again
You'll need Darktremors apps2sd script
Follow the instructions:
Flash the downloaded file straightafter flashing CM7
You'll now have loads of space for your apps!
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Thanks Dave!
I guess I will have to go for the partition sooner or later looking at how measly HTC has been with the internal memory! But, then I will have the guts only when I need to do it
Another thing I noticed were the number of guides now available online! Its like the information overflow problem. Just that you don't know which to go with!
Which one should I go with - in particular for turning s-off, changing hboot and partitioning sd card! Any help appreciated.
shankly1985 said:
Download sebastiaan15 Runnymede AIO V3.0.5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1315961 Make sure you have CM7/r2 Hboot and have partitioned your sd card with Gparted.
First partition fat32-primary second ext4 primary.
Put rom zip on sd card and boot into recovery full wipe, even in advanced settings wipe dont touch battery.
Flash RoM and at the end it will ask you if you want xd2sdx or normal a2sd+ you want to select YES. thats it reboot and enjoy 1GB storage.
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Will this Runnymede ROM work with a CDMA Desire? It looks like the Cool3D Runnymede works with CMDA, but it doesn't say anything about xd2sdx or even a2sd+.
I'm going to try re-partitioning my SD card with gparted to see if that makes a difference. I read a negative comment about Minitool, which I used, and I'm wondering if that's my problem.
DamonZ28 said:
I'm going to try re-partitioning my SD card with gparted to see if that makes a difference. I read a negative comment about Minitool, which I used, and I'm wondering if that's my problem.
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Think its only GSM you should always use Gparted, I like to stay away from recovery partition and windows partition.
Recovery partitioning is as good as partitioning with GParted. One should only be aware of programs like MiniTool Partition Wizard.
hello everyone. I have oxygen ROM with a2sd built in on my Desire.
my free internal storage is about 30mb and ext3 sd partition has about 800mb out of 1gb left. when I try to download some game which takes up to 40mb, google play says there is not enough free space. what should I do to download the app?
Are you sure the a2sd function is enabled in the settings menu? You can check this at:
settings-->apps-->development--> check if SD-EXT is enabled, and prefered install location is set to sd-ext under settings-->menu
Sent from my HTC Desire using xda app-developers app
the above reply is relevant only if you have mildwild version of oxygen.
regardless, you need to be s-off and flash different hboot to maximise space
- oxygenR2 hboot with original oxygen 2.3.2
- cm7r2 hboot with mildwild oxygen
currently, your a2sd script probably only moves apps to sd-ext, you still have app data and dalvik cache on internal? you can always check which bits of memory are stored where using an app like diskusage
change hboot first, then if you still run out of space, search for a script or zip that can also move dalvik cache to sd-ext.
TheRamon said:
Are you sure the a2sd function is enabled in the settings menu? You can check this at:
settings-->apps-->development--> check if SD-EXT is enabled, and prefered install location is set to sd-ext under settings-->menu
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hey, thanks for reply. there isn't anything like sd-ext in development. and I can't find the second one too. maybe because of different ROMs?
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edit: does flashing new hboot wipe any data? is backup needed?
and I'm already s-off. I was pretty sure it was required to flash oxygen
Sorry I was a bit tired so I just take te settings as mine mildwild oxygen has to.
Assuming the a2sd script is working, you could install S2E to simply move the app data, dalvik cache and stuff to your sd card to increase the internal space
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TheRamon said:
Sorry I was a bit tired so I just take te settings as mine mildwild oxygen has to.
Assuming the a2sd script is working, you could install S2E to simply move the app data, dalvik cache and stuff to your sd card to increase the internal space
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if the a2sd script is working, you don't need to install anything else...
"S2E works only with CyanogenMod7, CyanogenMod9 and CyanogenMod10!", so no, do not use S2E with this ROM, there is no need anyway.
mightykiss said:
hey, thanks for reply. there isn't anything like sd-ext in development. and I can't find the second one too. maybe because of different ROMs?
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edit: does flashing new hboot wipe any data? is backup needed?
and I'm already s-off. I was pretty sure it was required to flash oxygen
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which means you are probably on normal oxygen rom
you did not need s-off to flash oxygen. it only unlocks the nand partition so you can modify things on /system while the phone is running. more importantly s-off allows you to change hboots.
basically you are still on stock hboot with 250MB system. if oxygen rom system is say only 95MB, so you waste 155MB . oxygenR2 hboot has 100MB system, so you would waste only 5MB, and you gain an extra 250-100 = 150MB more internal memory :laugh:
flashing hboot does not wipe any data:
- nandroid backup!
- flash different hboot from alpharev.nl (it should fit into oxygenR2, but check your system size using another app like quick system info pro. if it is less than 100MB it will work). search for a guide on this, i recommend to use fastboot command lines. EDIT: further reading here
- boot into recovery
- full wipe and nandroid restore
eddiehk6 said:
if the a2sd script is working, you don't need to install anything else...
"S2E works only with CyanogenMod7, CyanogenMod9 and CyanogenMod10!", so no, do not use S2E with this ROM, there is no need anyway.
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Wow... seriously? That means that I've installed S2E useless on my Mildwild Oxygen. I'm ashamed ALOT.
Sorry for all
ok, so basically I don't see the point of installing new hboot to gain extra 150mb of internal storage, because since yesterday another 15mb has just disappeared so these 150mb wouldnt mean anything. I think that apps just install on internal storage like there wasnt any a2sd. check out this screenshot: s8.postimage[DOT]org/9chhb1cvn/Screen_Shot.png
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ok, so basically I don't see the point of installing new hboot to gain extra 150mb of internal storage, because since yesterday another 15mb has just disappeared so these 150mb wouldnt mean anything. I think that apps just install on internal storage like there wasnt any a2sd. check out this screenshot: s8.postimage[DOT]org/9chhb1cvn/Screen_Shot.png
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it will definitely be worth it to flash a different hboot. you have 136MB free on system which is completely wasted...
you internal is being filled with app caches, app data and dalvik cache. you can use a cache cleaner to clean some things up.
i think your a2sd script is working because your sd-ext is being used. please check using 'diskusage'
flash oxygenR2 hboot first, see how you get on.
if you still run out of space, you can move dalvik cache to sd-ext as well using 'terminal emulator':
Type "su" and press enter
Type "a2sd cachesd" and press enter.
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hey. sorry for not replying for so long, but I am really busy this month.
When I open my HBOOT it says s-off and revolutionary, so I think it's not about HBOOT. What do you think?
so, can you still help me?
mightykiss said:
hey. sorry for not replying for so long, but I am really busy this month.
When I open my HBOOT it says s-off and revolutionary, so I think it's not about HBOOT. What do you think?
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i've already said what you should do , have you even read the guide that i linked?
it is everything to do with hboot...
you are still on stock hboot, you need to change hboot first to maximise space.
then if you still run out of space, move dalvik to sd-ext...
Yeah, I have read it, but why do you think I'm on stock HBOOT if it says revolutionary? Isn't it the version of HBOOT?
I has a similar issue with my Oxygen ROM even if I had Oxygen r2 HBOOT. Finally I solved the "space" issue by replacing default a2sd with amarullz 1.0RC1 script. I worked much better for me on Oxygen.
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Yeah, I have read it, but why do you think I'm on stock HBOOT if it says revolutionary? Isn't it the version of HBOOT?
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revolutionary means you are s-off, but still on stock hboot. you are definitely still on stock hboot if you haven't actually changed it
(you can check using various apps, like quick system info pro. if system size is 250MB you are on stock hboot)
up to you whether you want to change hboot and solve most of your problems...
hello again. sorry for this break but my phone was on a warranty repair. I finally got a new Desire and today rooted it. I flashed oxygenr2 HBOOT and Oxygen ROM + dalvik-cache2sd to avoid the problem of this topic but even now I still get my memory smaller and smaller! right now I have 325/350 mb free on phone memory and 950/1024 on sd (a2sd). not all applications installed yet so I might run out of space again. what do you think, what might still occupy my memory? how can I check if dalvik2sd works?
edit: okay, it's better than I thought cause the space doesn't descend as quickly as before (every 200mb on SD = 30mb of system). I think it should be enough for my needs so yeah, thanks for help and you can close the thread.
Sorry, but I have one more question. My free system space dropped in 2 days from 4mb to 3,5mb. will it stop or continue until it reaches 0? What does fill the memory except Oxygen ROM? What happens if I run out of space?
I want to s-off and currenty have hboot 0.80 which means i need to flash a newer RUU, probably 3.14.405.1
the xda dev official htc desire ruu roms link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695667) only goes up to 1.21.405.2 so thats no good
There are various links on the web pointing me to : http://www.htcdev.com/process/legal_download/152
but this no longer works, i had a look at the source code and the rar file is in there but the link is invalid.
i tried installing htc sync but my desire isnt recognized, even after switching off usb debugging in the phones options.
my phone is currently rooted and running a GB Cyanogenomd rom but i only get a couple of apps installed and then it runs out of memory and Mounts2SD needs S-Off
Anyoe have a link to the 3.14.405.1 RUU?
I reuploaded it here.
Chromium said:
I reuploaded it here.
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thank you, i'll give that a whirl
dougsdir said:
my phone is currently rooted and running a GB Cyanogenomd rom but i only get a couple of apps installed and then it runs out of memory and Mounts2SD needs S-Off
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Just to clarify, mount2sd does not technically need s-off.
To use any form of A2SD properly, you only need a correctly partitioned sd card, and a ROM which can run init.d scripts to move combinations of apps / dalvik and data to the sd-ext partition. So firstly make sure your sd is partitioned using gparted, or use 4EXT recovery once you are s-off. Do not use minitool or clockworkmod to partition. Then in most cases after use activate A2SD, you keep you apps on internal (don't 'move to SD') to trick them to the sd-ext.
The main reason for gaining s-off is so you can change hboot, which is how your actual nand intnernal memory is laid out. Have a look at the partition tables at alpharev.nl
- Currently you are on stock hboot, which has 250MB /system size, and only ~150MB /data (internal memory). The same as before you s-off or root.
- CM7 has a /system size of ~140MB, so you are wasting 110MB
- If you are s-off, you can switch to cm7r2 hboot using fastboot, which has a 145MB /system, wastes only 5MB
- As a result, your /data goes up from 150MB to 287MB
- It's generally a good idea to keep you app data (e.g. saved game data) on your /data partition (internal memory) for speed and stability. 287MB allows for more :good:
- This combined with properly working A2SD as above, you'll have a lot more space for apps
thanks for your help!
i managed to get the Official RUU and then s-off and root and tried a kitkat rom but it kept rebooting within 2 minutes of use .
To be fair it used to randomly reboot every so often when on Stock Rom years ago, i think i read it was a hardware fault but for some reason with CM7 its stable and never reboots.
So I'm back to CM7 and using that HBoot you recommended.
Im happy with the extra space now so dont think i need to bother partitioning the SD Card and using the build in transfer apps to sd i now have 100MB free and that's with a few apps installed. I really only use the phone as a replacement for an ipod touch and before all this i could only get about 4 or 5 apps loaded and was getting the out of memory alert.
Thanks again!