Hello guys
I´m new here and also quite new to the custom rom scene.
You can skip my story if you want. The questions are below
I bought a Desire (bravo Amoled) around a year ago with a T-mobile Branding.
At this time the actual android version was 2.1 Eclair. Later tehre was 2.2 Froyo out. Becaus i didn´t wanted to wait for the T-mobile update I debranded my phone so get the open 2.2 Froyo update.
I was so happy Froyo had the App2SD function, because now i can intall more apps then before. But with all the updates for google maps, google mail, facebook apps...and user that have to stay on phone memory and the user apps moved to SD still storing data on the internal memory and the dalvik cache i soon again had space problems. Still i can´t install all apps i like.
So lived with this problem not aware of a solution till 2-3 weeks ago, where i finally rooted my phone and installed a custom Rom with A2SD+.
Now I have a rooted, S-OFF phone with Insertcoin V49 A2SD+ Version. And i thought there would be no more space problems, because the dalvik cache and all apps are now on the fake internal memory (1,5 GB ext3). But NO, there are still apps storing stuff on the real internal memory. At last i had problems to move Plants vs. Zombies (~70MB) from SD (Froyoinstall) to the ext, because the internal mem hadn´t enough space and it wouldn´t let me move.
Next step CM7 Hboot?
So here are some questions to understand how that works.
1. When i install a CM7 Hboot, the data partition (internal memory) will be bigger, yes? Means there will be almost double space for app DATAs?
2. The system partition, where the actual ROM is stored and booted is smaller?
2a. But that means some parts of the ROM need to be moved to the SD?
2b. Doesn´t this make the entire phone slower? Because reading from the SD card is slower then from nand? (8GB Class4)
2c. Is there higher power consumtion because of constantly SD access?
3. The cache partition is dramatically decreased to 5 MB. What is ist used for and will there any diadvantages because of the small size?
4. What happens with the Dalvik? Where is ist stored?
5. Does A2SD+ still work with the CM7 insertcoin version? (big ext 3 fake internal memory) or only Froyo A2SD with the bigger real internal memory?
6. How do people get 160-180 free RAM? I have around 100-110 MB.
So my goal is to get as much space available for user apps and getting a faster device (or at least dont get a slower one)
Hope someone read all my questions and can give me clarity..
Thanks in advance
Beegee
no one?
indbeegee said:
So here are some questions to understand how that works.
1. When i install a CM7 Hboot, the data partition (internal memory) will be bigger, yes? Means there will be almost double space for app DATAs?
2. The system partition, where the actual ROM is stored and booted is smaller?
2a. But that means some parts of the ROM need to be moved to the SD?
2b. Doesn´t this make the entire phone slower? Because reading from the SD card is slower then from nand? (8GB Class4)
2c. Is there higher power consumtion because of constantly SD access?
3. The cache partition is dramatically decreased to 5 MB. What is ist used for and will there any diadvantages because of the small size?
4. What happens with the Dalvik? Where is ist stored?
5. Does A2SD+ still work with the CM7 insertcoin version? (big ext 3 fake internal memory) or only Froyo A2SD with the bigger real internal memory?
6. How do people get 160-180 free RAM? I have around 100-110 MB.
Beegee
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Hi beegee,
I'm new to this myself, so not an expert, but I just flashed the CM7r2 hboot myself and will help where I can. Note, I am using CyanogenMod7, not InsertCoin.
1. Yes, the system and cache partitions used by the phone ROM are decreased substantially, system decreases from 250MB to 145MB and cache from 40MB to 5MB. This extra space is then added to the internal data partition for your apps and games. I only have a few apps installed at the moment and my data partition is 287MB total, 21MB used, 266MB free space.
2. Yes, see above.
2a. No, the ROM only requires 145MB, none of it is stored on the sdcard.
3. I'm sure the cache must be a fixed size. Mine (with CyanogenMod7) has remained at 4MB since install so a 5MB partition is large enough.
4. I store dalvik-cache on the ext3 partition of my sdcard as you are doing now. If you moved it back to the phone memory it would be stored in the data partition.
5. I use a version of A2SD with the CM7 hboot and it works fine.
6. I've not used insertcoin but as I said in the first answer I have 287MB data partition in my phone now. This is due to using the CM7 hboot.
Hope this helps,
Steve
The larger cache size from the stock Hboot is meant for OTA updates so we have no use for that. It's also used to flash radio images from recovery. If your cache is too small, like it is in the CM7 and Oxygen Hboots, you will need to flash the radio via fastboot but you don't really need to worry about flashing radio's anyways..can look into that later if you want.
Thanks for the answers by now.
What i found out:
The Insertcoin is a Sense enabled rom. The zip of the Rom is about 288 Meg big. Its not an AOSP like Cyanogen, which is so sleek to fit completely in the smaller system partition. I extracted both Insertcoin A2SD and CM7 zips and found that they have a sdext folder. On the cm7 version it is 365 Meg and on the a2sd+ 80 Meg big. So both versions install files on the external partition.
Only open question now is if the CM7 version supports A2SD+
Edit: Obviously the CM7 version has no A2SD+
Also the the new bigger system partition only has ~ 80 Meg free after first boot ?!
Hello. I haven't installed, yet a custom ROM (I'm still on Rooted Stock), but documented a little to understand even better what each ROM does.
1. I saw that you wanted a very fast ROM, the only ones that are really fast are the AOSP ROM's since they are in the most minimalistic form possible --> ~150MB
2. You should also take in consideration that a small cache partition may slow down some games. This was tested and problems appeared at some games, which use some improved graphics. The games also store there some of the "graphics files"? and since the partition is too small, it has to constanly read/write/delete.
3. CM7 version supports A2SD+: you should read the whole thread from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917570. It explains all. As I have read some of it two things popped-up:
-CyanogenMod do not officially support a2sd, i'm working on it because desire (not only) desperatly need it (cutted down Firerat script)
-Other a2sd can be used, this is just the easiest way: use recovery to partition your SD then install cm7_legacy_a2sd_rX-signed.zip
Hope this helps you.
UsManyDead said:
Hello. I haven't installed, yet a custom ROM (I'm still on Rooted Stock), but documented a little to understand even better what each ROM does.
1. I saw that you wanted a very fast ROM, the only ones that are really fast are the AOSP ROM's since they are in the most minimalistic form possible --> ~150MB
2. You should also take in consideration that a small cache partition may slow down some games. This was tested and problems appeared at some games, which use some improved graphics. The games also store there some of the "graphics files"? and since the partition is too small, it has to constanly read/write/delete.
3. CM7 version supports A2SD+: you should read the whole thread from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917570. It explains all. As I have read some of it two things popped-up:
-CyanogenMod do not officially support a2sd, i'm working on it because desire (not only) desperatly need it (cutted down Firerat script)
-Other a2sd can be used, this is just the easiest way: use recovery to partition your SD then install cm7_legacy_a2sd_rX-signed.zip
Hope this helps you.
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Hello
Thanks for the infos. I know the ASOP roms are faster, but i don´t want to miss the Sense UI.
To 3. I think there was a misunderstanding. When is say CM7 i dont mean the rom "CyanogenMod7" but the CM7 Hboot Version of Insertcoin rom.
I just tried to postinstall a2sd via http://www.darktremor.info/files/a2sd/dtapps2sd-2.7.5.3-beta04-signed.zip
But after installation in recovery, the phone wont boot Insertcoin. Stuck at Alpharev Bootstreen now.
jordan.harris01 said:
The larger cache size from the stock Hboot is meant for OTA updates so we have no use for that. It's also used to flash radio images from recovery. If your cache is too small, like it is in the CM7 and Oxygen Hboots, you will need to flash the radio via fastboot but you don't really need to worry about flashing radio's anyways..can look into that later if you want.
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Presumably the HBOOT and Radio partitions are the same size whichever HBOOT you use, and Radio immediately follows HBOOT. Otherwise you would have to flash the Radio if you changed he partition map by (eg) going from Stock to CM7.
indbeegee said:
I just tried to postinstall a2sd via http://www.darktremor.info/files/a2s...a04-signed.zip
But after installation in recovery, the phone wont boot Insertcoin. Stuck at Alpharev Bootstreen now.
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If you've done a nandroid back-up before trying to flash the A2SD+ scripts (which is advised!!!) you should go back to recovery and restore it. You should go back to your InsertCoin again and try the steps once again. Maybe you did something wrong or got a wrong file.
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If you've done a nandroid back-up before trying to flash the A2SD+ scripts (which is advised!!!) you should go back to recovery and restore it. You should go back to your InsertCoin again and try the steps once again. Maybe you did something wrong or got a wrong file.
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No, i didn´t made a nandroid backup, because ist was a new Insertcoin CM7 install. No personal data to lose.
I just wiped and made a new install. Now i have 199 Meg internal memory free.
Edit: After installing DT A2SD in recovery again, the phone is again stuck at Alpharev splash What now?
Edit2: After installing the Rom over without wipe, Insertcoin boots normaly. But i encountered, force reboots when installing any app.
So i made a new fresh isntall.
Conclusion: Insertcoin uses my Ext4 for its Data. But will not use it as fake internal memory. My Ext4 is ~1,5 GB big. Insertcoin uses 600 MB from it and the leftover 900 MB are wastetd, because no one uses it.
Edit 3: Insertcoin doesnt like Ext4. Everytime i tried to install Astro File Manager fom Market the phone rebootet. No problem with Ext3
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Hi all.
I'd like to understand better the "alternate HBOOTSs and internal partitions" thing.
I've tried to look around but the information seems to be quite scattered.
What I'd like to understand is:
1. Pros and cons in general
2. Whether and how should i change my SD partitioning
Thanks.
with default hboot your system partition is 250mb.
some roms like oxygen or cm7 dont need 250mb. so installing them on stock hboot is a waste, lots of MBs arent used neither by ROM nor by you since we cant install apps in system.
so thats why there are custom hboots, so you use a CM7 hboot with CM7 rom, system is big enough to hold the ROM and you get bigger /data which is where apps go.
EXT is needed if it is writtien in the ROM thread.
there are also Sense 2.1/3.0 roms that run on data++ or cm7 hboots AND ext.
so for example insertcoin CM7 - 130mb is available on nand, however /system of the ROM is bigger. so essetntial parts go into nand, rest is stored on sd-ext. system is still super-fast, as apps run from NAND, not from ext. files present on ext are not essential for the system speed.
so generally
pros: super fast roms since apps run from NAND, lots of space for apps
cons: if you are a retard you can brick your phone if you flash something wrong
dzumagos said:
with default hboot your system partition is 250mb.
some roms like oxygen or cm7 dont need 250mb. so installing them on stock hboot is a waste, lots of MBs arent used neither by ROM nor by you since we cant install apps in system.
so thats why there are custom hboots, so you use a CM7 hboot with CM7 rom, system is big enough to hold the ROM and you get bigger /data which is where apps go.
EXT is needed if it is writtien in the ROM thread.
there are also Sense 2.1/3.0 roms that run on data++ or cm7 hboots AND ext.
so for example insertcoin CM7 - 130mb is available on nand, however /system of the ROM is bigger. so essetntial parts go into nand, rest is stored on sd-ext. system is still super-fast, as apps run from NAND, not from ext. files present on ext are not essential for the system speed.
so generally
pros: super fast roms since apps run from NAND, lots of space for apps
cons: if you are a retard you can brick your phone if you flash something wrong
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Sent from Oxygen
1st of all, thanks for the explanation!
So, If I understood well, my favorite ROM, which is Reflex S v2.1.7 should be installed in the CM7HBOOT variant. This ROM claims to support "AP2SD+".
Now, If the apps go in the internal /data partition, why should I bother about the EXT3 partition on my SD?
Very likely I'm still missing something else ...
Uqbar said:
1st of all, thanks for the explanation!
So, If I understood well, my favorite ROM, which is Reflex S v2.1.7 should be installed in the CM7HBOOT variant. This ROM claims to support "AP2SD+".
Now, If the apps go in the internal /data partition, why should I bother about the EXT3 partition on my SD?
Very likely I'm still missing something else ...
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A2SD/A2SD+ works on this way:
Usually all apps will be installed to /data partition in the internal memory. If you use a2sd/a2sd+, all apps will be automatically redirected to /sd-ext/app. That's a2sd. When dalvik cache is also moved on sd ext, you use a2sd+. The big advantage is, you do not have to move apps yourself to sd card. It will be done automatically, wether the developer of the app has programmed the app for this or not.
NEVER MOVE APPS TO SD MANUALLY WHEN USING A2SD/A2SD+!!
Referring to reflex s rom running cm7 hboot. Actually, the /system partition of cm7 hboot (130 mb or 145 mb with r2 version) does not give you enough space for reflex s rom. So things will be moved to internal /data partition. Problem is, you don't have enough space for apps because internal /data partition gets filled. To avoid this problem you need the ext partition on your sd card.
Conclusion: You should really bother about an ext partition!!!
MatDrOiD said:
Conclusion: You should really bother about an ext partition!!!
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I though to choose CM7HBOOT to have faster application startup.
You say that Reflex S will fill the /data up and the other apps will end in /sd-ext/app, that is my (sloooow) uSD.
So my question: do you think it's really worth it installing CM7HBOOT with this ROM?
no, no, no, it is not the way matdroid said.
/system is bigger than 130mb (or 145mb) so essential parts stay on NAND, rest goes to SD-EXT, to the folder that is symlinked to the /system (not to /data)
now the apps that you download.
in order for you to understand it, i need to explain a bit. this rom is deodexed. if you really want to know what .odex file is do some research, it is not important. anyway in deodexed roms, apps run from Dalvik-cache and not from the .apk itself (.apk is only needed to create dalvik on 1st boot)
so in reflex S your .apk go to sd-ext BUT the dalvik stays in internal, and since its dalvik what matters ROM is fast.
rom system files do not fill up /data, the /system files that could not fit into 130mb go to sd-ext.
and overally yes, it is worth it, i basically re-discovered my desire after S-OFFing and running custom hboot roms. i have a class 2 sd card, and rom performs super fast (on custom hboot roms your sd class really doesnt matter anymore)
Uqbar said:
1st of all, thanks for the explanation!
So, If I understood well, my favorite ROM, which is Reflex S v2.1.7 should be installed in the CM7HBOOT variant. This ROM claims to support "AP2SD+".
Now, If the apps go in the internal /data partition, why should I bother about the EXT3 partition on my SD?
Very likely I'm still missing something else ...
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and also i as wrote before ....
why should you bother about ext ???
cause /system is 130mb (or145) but it is not enough !!! AND I DID WRITE THAT REST GOES TO SD-EXT.
seriously, you gotta read everything if you are going to s-off and play with custom hboots
and also apart from some /system files on sd-ext, your downloaded .apk's will be on sd-ext too. only their dalvik will stay on NAND
dzumagos said:
no, no, no, it is not the way matdroid said.
/system is bigger than 130mb (or 145mb) so essential parts stay on NAND, rest goes to SD-EXT, to the folder that is symlinked to the /system (not to /data)
now the apps that you download.
in order for you to understand it, i need to explain a bit. this rom is deodexed. if you really want to know what .odex file is do some research, it is not important. anyway in deodexed roms, apps run from Dalvik-cache and not from the .apk itself (.apk is only needed to create dalvik on 1st boot)
so in reflex S your .apk go to sd-ext BUT the dalvik stays in internal, and since its dalvik what matters ROM is fast.
rom system files do not fill up /data, the /system files that could not fit into 130mb go to sd-ext.
and overally yes, it is worth it, i basically re-discovered my desire after S-OFFing and running custom hboot roms. i have a class 2 sd card, and rom performs super fast (on custom hboot roms your sd class really doesnt matter anymore)
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Good to know, thanks. Thought it would work the way I described.
Hmmm ... I don't understand why the ROM looks quite slower than before (STOCK HBOOT) ...
Accordingly to what dzumagos says, I should get a (much) better experience now.
I understand the Dalvik cache stuff and what he says makes sense to me.
Nonetheless the ROM seems to be way slower than before ...
My system should be 145MB, cache 5MB and data 287MB.
Settings say that I have 256MB available on /data e 34MB on /system.
This should mean that I'm not really exploiting the internal storage!!!
And in fact my 1GB ext3 partition is at 50% of capacity.
Now, if my /cache is 5MB as said by AlphaRev, I think it's way too small to fit the (Dalvik?) cache I'd need.
What'd be your view here?
Finally, I'm trying to read everything. But the information is scattered among a dozen of threads each with dozens of posts ... and, as you can see, it's far from easy to discern the cream from the crap.
I really tried to figure it out before posting!
Uqbar said:
Hmmm ... I don't understand why the ROM looks quite slower than before (STOCK HBOOT) ...
Accordingly to what dzumagos says, I should get a (much) better experience now.
I understand the Dalvik cache stuff and what he says makes sense to me.
Nonetheless the ROM seems to be way slower than before ...
My system should be 145MB, cache 5MB and data 287MB.
Settings say that I have 256MB available on /data e 34MB on /system.
This should mean that I'm not really exploiting the internal storage!!!
And in fact my 1GB ext3 partition is at 50% of capacity.
Now, if my /cache is 5MB as said by AlphaRev, I think it's way too small to fit the (Dalvik?) cache I'd need.
What'd be your view here?
Finally, I'm trying to read everything. But the information is scattered among a dozen of threads each with dozens of posts ... and, as you can see, it's far from easy to discern the cream from the crap.
I really tried to figure it out before posting!
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Dalvik cache is not in the /cache partition.
I think I get the reasons for custom hboot but how do you tell which hboot you've got?
My Desire is rooted and S-OFF. I have flashed with STOCKHBOOT version of Reflex_S_2.1.7_LITE_GingerBread_Sense-2.1_GRI40_A2SD+
It works but don't know if I should have used the the CM7 version.
after s-offing you get a stock unlocked hboot.
roms designed for cm7 hboots will work on stock hboot but it works only this way.
MatDrOiD said:
A2SD/A2SD+ works on this way:
Usually all apps will be installed to /data partition in the internal memory. If you use a2sd/a2sd+, all apps will be automatically redirected to /sd-ext/app. That's a2sd. When dalvik cache is also moved on sd ext, you use a2sd+. The big advantage is, you do not have to move apps yourself to sd card. It will be done automatically, wether the developer of the app has programmed the app for this or not.
NEVER MOVE APPS TO SD MANUALLY WHEN USING A2SD/A2SD+!!
Referring to reflex s rom running cm7 hboot. Actually, the /system partition of cm7 hboot (130 mb or 145 mb with r2 version) does not give you enough space for reflex s rom. So things will be moved to internal /data partition. Problem is, you don't have enough space for apps because internal /data partition gets filled. To avoid this problem you need the ext partition on your sd card.
Conclusion: You should really bother about an ext partition!!!
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Thanks for the heads up but am still a bit confused. Pls help me out.
I'm s-off and using the cm7 hboot running Insertcoin stable 1.0.8 cm7 version. Now in the rom under settings>applications>manage applications when you click on some apps you get the option to move the app to sd card and when you do so it frees up some internal memory. But you say not to move apps to sd card manually Should I do this or not?
Any help to clarify would be much appreciated
This is froyo/android a2sd and yes you can do it. It moves some app data to fat32 while a2sd+ move parts of the app itself (in this specific case the .apk only) to the ext. Dalvik will stay on internal unless you issue some superuser commands in adb or terminal.
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I'm also confused...so for Reflex S, which hboot should I be running?
Bravo Stock
Bravo N1Table
Bravo Data++
Bravo Sense
Bravo Oxygen r2
Bravo CM7 r2
Bravo Downgrader???
herb1 said:
I'm also confused...so for Reflex S, which hboot should I be running?
Bravo Stock
Bravo N1Table
Bravo Data++
Bravo Sense
Bravo Oxygen r2
Bravo CM7 r2
Bravo Downgrader???
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Sense since its a sense rom?
herb1 said:
I'm also confused...so for Reflex S, which hboot should I be running?
Bravo Stock
Bravo N1Table
Bravo Data++
Bravo Sense
Bravo Oxygen r2
Bravo CM7 r2
Bravo Downgrader???
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Use the recommended one. Maybe you need to search the thread for this.
You only need the downgrader if you flashed one of the r2 hboots and want to change it now.
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Ok I use bravo sense but cm7 r2 does work with reflex s too
Then make sure you use cm 7 version of reflex!
I followed instructions on Apharev homepage and flashed the 'bravo_alphaspl-sense.img'
Downloaded the necessary PB99IMG zipfile and saved it to SD card
now phone goes silver ANDROID logo that reflects passing light after splash image but won't loaded my homepage afterwards
HELP????
Im running a desire on Insertcoin CM7 / 1.1.4.
I factory wiped the phone, installed the full 1.1.3 then immediately ran the 1.1.4 update.
My SD card has a 1gb ext4 partition created with gparted.
When using the phone even with NO apps installed i only have 24mb internal memory showing as free.
Using quick system info it shows "A2SD Storage, 1.01gb, free 589mb" and "Internal Storage free 24mb)
Using a terminal emulator and ls - l /data it shows the sym link to /sdcard/system as all OK.
So the question is what is eating my internal ram with noting installed? Also what is using 400mb+ of the sdcard system partition on a clean install?
As it stands the phone is near unusable as even 1 app triggers a low space warning and the usual non-sync and other problems.
What another hard reset do the job or any other suggestions? On first impression the ext4 seems to be being used (by something big!) but the internal memory starts out life full and gets worse.
I had the same issue. Then I switched to the A2SD+ STOCK HBOOT rom and it fixed the problem
Hope that helps.
How do i go about doing that? Do i need to mess with S-OFF and other boot loaders?
Is it just a case of replacing the CM7-insertcoin zip file with the A2SD+ or do i need to change hboot, partition, remove the CM7 recovery and so on?
Ive just done another factory wipe, reinstall and clean the phone has 54mb. Ive installed 2 apps and the size of them is coming out of internal memory - even though its showing SD card is used for something it seems the full size of the app still comes out of the internal ram.
Same checks as before, its showing 640mb free out of 1.01gb on the ext4 partition, ls -l is showing app -> /system/sd/app.
Internal storage 45mb free out of 148mb.
Just download the stock version
simple
CM7 is for those with cm7 hboot
Read a noob guide front to back, knowledge helps For examply... apps2sd will still use internal space (less than without it but still some)
Look up data2ext
Just curious.. what HBOOT are you currently using on your phone? Is it Stock or CM7/r2?
No idea.
Its a stock desire 2.2 which i rooted with unrevoked.
The root gave me CWM recovery etc but no idea if its changed hboot or not.
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Just curious.. what HBOOT are you currently using on your phone? Is it Stock or CM7/r2?
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he's obviously on stock ...
gnirtS said:
No idea.
Its a stock desire 2.2 which i rooted with unrevoked.
The root gave me CWM recovery etc but no idea if its changed hboot or not.
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Yeah follow MrBigB's post.
If you would wanna stay in Stock hboot, then download the correct Insertcoin ROM.
Cheers all, ive put the A2SD+ version on and its working perfectly. No idea why CM7 didnt seem to.
Nice! The CM7 version didn't work well for you because that rom was optimized to run on CM7 hboot and not Stock.
Hello folks
My issue is this:
GSM Desire
Class 10 SD
4ext Recovery (used to partition sd)
I'm trying to install various JB roms. The a2sd never works. When I download the gui it says it can't start because either no scripts, no partition, etc.
I've tried a lot of Roms including ones where a2sd is meant to be built in. I've also installed from Terminal and it seems to optimise all the apps on reboot but internal memory is still the standard and apps still in Internal (it's meant to go up to my ext4 partition right? it's about 1.5G)
I've worked my way through these (can't post the link but its the Alchemister custom rom blogspot for the Desire.)
each one the same problem.
Checkext and diskspace both see the partition. Strangely, L2SD seems to crash each of the Roms if I install it.
So far the only Rom to work correctly is a Supernova Gingerbread one. It gave me the 1.5G. So, the partition appears to be good.
Both are primary too.
I would like a JB one as the supernova rom is very laggy.
Running a Miui at the moment and also really liked the Touchwiz one on the list as well.
I only started doing this two days ago as my contract was up so I'm very new to this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Let's make sure your partition works. Download the rom in my sig. It's a very stable rom, that has a script integrated that moves data/app and dalvik cache to sd-ext. Flash it, then install a few apps. If the internal storage gets filled up quickly, then it probably is a partition fault, and you'll have to repartition.
If it does work, then you did something wrong when you installed the other roms.
Are you sure you did a full wipe before installing all those roms?
a2sd problem solved
Thankyou Andoo,
I've got it working now. It was two things that were confusing me. They were mentioned in the partitioning guide that you attached.
1. I was not aware that you were not meant to see the full size of your Ext4 partition as internal storage. For anyone else with this problem, you can see how your Ext partition is being used if you download Freespace app from the market. I had assumed that you could see the ext as internal space as that is what a few of the earlier Roms i looked at said that that would happen. (it does for the Supernova Rom)
2. When I was downloading and installing apps such as FB or Maps, they were still taking a big chunk out of my internal memory so I assumed that it wasn't working. However, when I chose to put the data as well as cache to the Ext, it hardly took anything out of my internal storage at all. I have a class 10 card and so far everything seems fairly brisk and responsive. I Chose Y/Y/Y when installing a2sd from Terminal instead of the recommended Y/N/Y.
If things start to get slow, I might try the Mount2SD script in the attachment -I think this allows you to chose individual large apps to go to Ext instead of all of them.
Thanks again for your help. I now have a useful and quick phone again.
PS the MildWild 9.5 Rom you suggested - I hadinstalled this before and had real problems with the WiFi disconnecting every couple of seconds and the same thing happened again when I installed from your link. I'm using the Touchwiz at the moment and all seems well.
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Let's make sure your partition works. Download the rom in my sig. It's a very stable rom, that has a script integrated that moves data/app and dalvik cache to sd-ext. Flash it, then install a few apps. If the internal storage gets filled up quickly, then it probably is a partition fault, and you'll have to repartition.
If it does work, then you did something wrong when you installed the other roms.
Are you sure you did a full wipe before installing all those roms?
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Hi everybody!
I've a Desire with stock rom 2.3 (and no root yet) and it worked fine until last week.
If I try to install a new app I receive an error about free memory space. I've already try to move all apps to sd but nothing, I can't install anything.
I've try also to do an hard reset and fully wipe/factory reset (from recovery) and for a while it seems to works, but if I install some apps the problem come back.
Why? What can I do?
A friend suggest that maybe there are some directory in filesystem from older app (now unistalled) and, since I haven't root permession, I can't remove them. With root permission can I fix it?
Thanks!
I flashed a custom rom on my desire which used the sd card as internal storage. Problem solved.
Verstuurd van mijn GT-I9505 met Tapatalk
Read this guide to s-off, and install a custom recovery
Use this guide to create a 1gb ext4 partition on your sd card. No swap.
Download a custom rom from the htc desire dev section and flash it. I would recommend milwilds redux rom. It will automatically install apps to the parittion and you will have space.
thanks for reply!
I'd like to fix this problem without flash new rom, eventually with root only. It's possible?
When I bought this there was space enough, why now I haven't? Factory reset does not erase all partition and sistems directories?
Thanks!
Also, before you flash the Rom, best to flash recommended hboot if necessary, read the first post or search each thread.
This way you use your internal memory more efficiently.
deshex said:
thanks for reply!
I'd like to fix this problem without flash new rom, eventually with root only. It's possible?
When I bought this there was space enough, why now I haven't? Factory reset does not erase all partition and sistems directories?
Thanks!
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Factory reset only deletes user data.
When you bought it, you didn't have apps installed, and probably apps were smaller back then.
What are you trying to say? That you want to flash a stock rooted ROM?
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Factory reset only deletes user data.
When you bought it, you didn't have apps installed, and probably apps were smaller back then.
What are you trying to say? That you want to flash a stock rooted ROM?
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Nope.
All my apps were installed somewhere in filesystem (maybe in /system?). My question is: when I do a factory reset, what I'm going to erase? Only user data in user directories, or all content of every system directory? (of course, not system files).
I'm only trying to understand why when I bought the phone I've a "lot" of space for my app and now, after a factory reset, I've not enough free space to install more then 2/3.
Example: I wipe/fr, reboot and config the phone; then I try to install Ruzzle (16Mb),Whatsapp (9Mb) and FB(18Mb). Now if I try to install any other apps I get the alert message of free space. Same error if I try to record a video or take a photo.
I think there is something wrong..
I hope that you can read and understand what I'm writing, my english is a little rusty
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Nope.
All my apps were installed somewhere in filesystem (maybe in /system?). My question is: when I do a factory reset, what I'm going to erase? Only user data in user directories, or all content of every system directory? (of course, not system files).
I'm only trying to understand why when I bought the phone I've a "lot" of space for my app and now, after a factory reset, I've not enough free space to install more then 2/3.
Example: I wipe/fr, reboot and config the phone; then I try to install Ruzzle (16Mb),Whatsapp (9Mb) and FB(18Mb). Now if I try to install any other apps I get the alert message of free space. Same error if I try to record a video or take a photo.
I think there is something wrong..
I hope that you can read and understand what I'm writing, my english is a little rusty
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A factory reset will wipe /data, dalvik cache and /cache.
When did you buy your phone? I remember that, when I first bought my Desire, facebook was only 8mbin size, and moved to sd, it only took 2 mb of internal memory. Plus, large apps require large dalvik cache. That's why your memory gets filled so easily.
You can resolve easily and keeping your stock ROM (but you'll need a FAST microSD card, my 32GB is class 10):
1) Root and s-off your device
2) Format your microSD with an EXT2, EXT3 or EXT4 partition of 1GB, then the rest as FAT32 (you can do it directly from phone using the 4ext recovery, or you can format the card from PC using a tool for partitioning which supports linux formats... I don't know if I can mention names in this thread).
3) Install INT2EXT or INT2EXT+ from recovery.
4) You'll have 1GB internal memory with no out-of-space problems.
That's all
Stock kernel doesn't support ext4 nor ext3, use only ext2 if u want to keep it.
Anyway, I believe that supernova ROM would be a much better option, it's basically stock GB made by HTC with some tweaks and script for more space.
Thanks for replies!
I still do not understand why I've no memory for apps after a factory reset; if I wipe all data, I restore all space, like when I bought the phone. Ok, apps are bigger than 2 years ago, but not so bigger that with 3 apps I occupy all space!
Anyway I'm considering to upgrade to a newer version; if I must give root permission, install tools, repartition sdcard and so on, I might as well to flash a newer version.
Curiosity: are there filesystem directories that are not intrested from a wipe? Differently, which directories will not wiped during a factory reset?
Thank you very much!
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Thanks for replies!
I still do not understand why I've no memory for apps after a factory reset; if I wipe all data, I restore all space, like when I bought the phone. Ok, apps are bigger than 2 years ago, but not so bigger that with 3 apps I occupy all space!
Anyway I'm considering to upgrade to a newer version; if I must give root permission, install tools, repartition sdcard and so on, I might as well to flash a newer version.
Curiosity: are there filesystem directories that are not intrested from a wipe? Differently, which directories will not wiped during a factory reset?
Thank you very much!
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yes what your seeing is caused by the apps being a lot bigger now. Facebook is a lot bigger.
And its impossible for your apps to be going to system. You'll have to root and use a2sd
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dethrat said:
yes what your seeing is caused by the apps being a lot bigger now. Facebook is a lot bigger.
And its impossible for your apps to be going to system. You'll have to root and use a2sd
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I've install over 40 apps until this problem, including big app like FB.. strange things...
So, how much memory I have?
Rom 4.x for desire has a different partitions? If I just flash a new rom (like 4.0/4.1), will I fix this problem?
Thanks!
deshex said:
I've install over 40 apps until this problem, including big app like FB.. strange things...
So, how much memory I have?
Rom 4.x for desire has a different partitions? If I just flash a new rom (like 4.0/4.1), will I fix this problem?
Thanks!
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You need a rom with an a2sd script, regardless of it being GB, ICS or JB.
Good, I will search in subforum for a new rom.
Maybe it's a bit OT, but JB rom are stable enough for daily use? Can you suggest me a JB rom with a2sd script? (or even ICS, if JB is not stable enough).
Thank you!
I use jb as a daily driver. The ROM in my sig is the most stable jb ROM I've tried. It has very few soft reboots and has decent speed. It also has a2sd. (Activated through terminal after flashing rom)
However if you really need stability, speed and reliability I would highly recommend using gingerbread. Mildwilds ROMs are great and most of them have an a2sd script as well, which is automatically activated. Try the one based on redux.
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I have a similar problem to this. I own a HTC Desire that is rooted, with Clockworkmod recovery environment, and I got it running Cyanogen mod 7.2.0.1.
So I was reading around this problem, and there are several solutions. It seems the most foolproof way is to format your SD card and partition it so that you have an EXT3 partition, and a FAT32 partition as has already been suggested here.. This way you can use an app to fool your phone into thinking that it has the EXT3 partition of the SD card to use for internal storage as well as the 150MB of internal storage it comes with. I had an 8GB SD card so I did a split of 2GB for the EXT3 partition, and 6GB for storage of music, photos, etc. etc. I followed this handy guide to do it, and it worked a treat: (sorry, have been unable to post an external link as I'm a new user.. maybe I can post this later).
When I rebooted my phone, sure enough, it showed 2GB+ of internal storage, and I can install all the apps I want. However, I'm experiencing apps hanging and crashing all the time, and I know it was caused by this most recent change. Prior to this, Cyanogenmod was running just fine! I've read a bit more into since doing this, and a lot of people reckon you shouldn't use more than a 512MB SD card partition, as anything over this causes performance issues. Others disagree, and think that anything 2GB or below should be fine. Presumably the apps hanging/crashing is because there is fragmentation of data between the SD card EXT3 partition and the actual 150MB internal storage.
It's frustrating, as other than this the phone is still a very decent handset despite it's age... it's really the storage letting it down. Before I try factory resetting (again!) and going back and trying a 512MB partition, (or just going back to having only 2 apps installed!), has any one else had experience of this?
Any help very much appreciated.
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I have a similar problem to this. I own a HTC Desire that is rooted, with Clockworkmod recovery environment, and I got it running Cyanogen mod 7.2.0.1.
So I was reading around this problem, and there are several solutions. It seems the most foolproof way is to format your SD card and partition it so that you have an EXT3 partition, and a FAT32 partition as has already been suggested here.. This way you can use an app to fool your phone into thinking that it has the EXT3 partition of the SD card to use for internal storage as well as the 150MB of internal storage it comes with. I had an 8GB SD card so I did a split of 2GB for the EXT3 partition, and 6GB for storage of music, photos, etc. etc. I followed this handy guide to do it, and it worked a treat: (sorry, have been unable to post an external link as I'm a new user.. maybe I can post this later).
When I rebooted my phone, sure enough, it showed 2GB+ of internal storage, and I can install all the apps I want. However, I'm experiencing apps hanging and crashing all the time, and I know it was caused by this most recent change. Prior to this, Cyanogenmod was running just fine! I've read a bit more into since doing this, and a lot of people reckon you shouldn't use more than a 512MB SD card partition, as anything over this causes performance issues. Others disagree, and think that anything 2GB or below should be fine. Presumably the apps hanging/crashing is because there is fragmentation of data between the SD card EXT3 partition and the actual 150MB internal storage.
It's frustrating, as other than this the phone is still a very decent handset despite it's age... it's really the storage letting it down. Before I try factory resetting (again!) and going back and trying a 512MB partition, (or just going back to having only 2 apps installed!), has any one else had experience of this?
Any help very much appreciated.
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well,I don't use gingerbread anymore.but I can say that you can't experience a good performance to use both internal and external (sd-ext) partitions to use and install your apps. better choice is to use one of them.use default a2sd of rom,or use another script to install apps only in sd-ext partition. I have used and tested a lot of roms (GB-ICS-JB) and I can say in my experiences, that you don't have problem to use an sd-ext partition with about 1.5 - 2 gb size.you can see the recommendation of devs in first post of topics, and they tell us what is the minimum-maximum size for the best performance. sorry,i can't search and give you the links,but I just had a really good smoothness and speed with some scripts that you can try them: like mounts2sd, ad2sdx,... you can find link of them with search. and you can use cm7 int2sd version...but it has a bigger size than normal cm7. here is this topic : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1357257
@kmanpilkers
Which guide did you use to partition, should be done with gparted or 4ext recovery.
-Ext4 should also be slightly faster than ext3.
-Anything up to 2gb is sufficient. Don't know where you read about limiting it to 512mb. The whole idea is to be able to install more apps on the partition, 512mb will fill up a lot quicker than 2gb...
-you can use space more efficiently by s-off and changing hboot, so you have more than 150 MB of internal. You are currently on stock hboot and have a lot of free wasted space on your /system partition
-depending on your Rom, stick with a single a2sd script, it may be built in or need to be activated, read the Rom thread. Then let it do it's job to move apps to the partition
chromium96 said:
Read this guide to s-off, and install a custom recovery
Use this guide to create a 1gb ext4 partition on your sd card. No swap.
Download a custom rom from the htc desire dev section and flash it. I would recommend milwilds redux rom. It will automatically install apps to the parittion and you will have space.
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Thank you. I've been searching for some time
Hello all!
1st post and 1st day registered, thought ive been monitoring desire activity in these forums since 2011. Thank you al for the help provided through these years.
THE BACKGROUND
I have been using HTC Desire for about a year with oxygen rom and was more than pleased with the results. after that i had to give away my phone to my wife, for some time, in witch i flashed stock rom (some women cannot appreciate the use of custom/rooted phone!?!? haha) .
Now the phone is back in my hands, and as much as i would like, oxygen is outdated (or better say non existent).
THE QUESTION
Is there a current rom JB+ (up to date) that meets the speed and stability standards set by Oxygen2.3.2 with Data2sd support(or data2everywhere) and preferably without sense UI ? i currently have a class4 4gb microsd partitioned with ~3.5gb Fat32 / 512mb ext4 partition.
Thank you again for your time
PS: i have tried some roms around, but ive found them a bit slower even in touch experience , than GB AOSP roms.
In short, doubt you'll find a JB ROM that matches the speed and stability of Oxygen or GB AOSP ROMs. Oxygen still is one of the most stable ROMs despite being abandoned, mine is still based on it. Just because it isn't updated doesn't necessarily make it bad .
The only way would be to keep trying a few JB ROMs yourself, see if they are good enough for your standards. (I don't think any of them have Sense UI).
Data2sd is a bit different, most ROMs now just use normal A2SD, moving apps and dalvik to the sd-ext, JB ROMs tend to need to be activated by terminal commands (read the OP of the threads / search), so you don't have to flash anything extra.
512MB ext4 partition is a bit small, you might run out of space on it depending on how many apps you want to install. Consider repartitioning it to ~1.5GB if you can afford the space, do this using 4EXT recovery or gparted only.
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In short, doubt you'll find a JB ROM that matches the speed and stability of Oxygen or GB AOSP ROMs. Oxygen still is one of the most stable ROMs despite being abandoned, mine is still based on it. Just because it isn't updated doesn't necessarily make it bad .
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i found a working copy of flashable Oxygen 2.3.2 but im having trouble enabling A2SD support on it. you see, all Oxygen specific guides are on "404 page not found" state, and i have no memory of what i did to install it 2 years ago.
i tried as i said a couple of other roms, and none matched the speed of GB Oxygen
Thank you for your time,
Dimitris
dvalilis said:
i found a working copy of flashable Oxygen 2.3.2 but im having trouble enabling A2SD support on it. you see, all Oxygen specific guides are on "404 page not found" state, and i have no memory of what i did to install it 2 years ago.
i tried as i said a couple of other roms, and none matched the speed of GB Oxygen
Thank you for your time,
Dimitris
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Try the one in my sig, it's no longer being developed, but based on Oxygen 2.3.2. It works best in terms of space if you are s-off with cm7r2 hboot.
You don't have to do anything with this one to activate A2SD, it's already built in. As long as the partition is properly created in gparted or 4EXT recovery, just keep apps on internal (don't 'move to SD') and apps and dalvik will be tricked to sd-ext. You won't see your actual internal memory read 'internal + sd-ext', but the A2SD is working.
UPDATE:after a few hours of testing, and flashing, I managed to find Working copies of oxygen 2.3.2 and compatible version of a2sd.
Today I will upload those files to my server for distribution, along with a «short guide» post in case anyone wants pure oxygen experience on his desire.
Regards
Dimitris
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hi dimitris,
would you mind sharing your files?
i also got my 'old' htc desire back (from kid) and i'd like to install a fresh rom.
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i will post links.as soon as I get back home tonight! Keep tight
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around ssarnie
So here we go,as promised
I have no responsibility for any data loss or phone damage. worked as is on my HTC Desire Bravo
Code:
i cannot post links untill i get 10 posts . so...
h**p://speedy.sh/cnrds/update-oxygen-2.3.2-Bravo-signed.zip
h**p://speedy.sh/XvBVT/a2sd-2.7-update3r1-signed.zip
iIF you have CWRecovery V3+ you have to flash an older version, in order to be able to flash the a2sd above. You downgrade using Android Flasher.
Steps that worked for me:
1 Create 2 partitions on SD, one FAT32 and one ext3 (using Gparted)
2 Put the above zips in Fat32 partition
3 Boot phone to recovery
4 Full wipe/Factory default and cache
5 install Oxygen rom using "install zip from SD card" option
6 Start oxygen rom, and let it boot for first time, also let it settle for few minutes.
7 Reboot to Recovery
8 Install a2sd script using "install zip from SD card " option
9 Reboot phone.
Done
When it boots enter google account and download a Terminal Emulator . To check if all is ok you shoud run
Code:
su
Code:
a2sd diskspace
and you should see the partition recognized as internal with the space used and left.
Job Done. i run this install for 2 days now with no problems at all
Hope i helped,
Dimitris.
Just a few points:
- Did you switch hboot before you flashed the ROM? This would get you even more space. If you're still on stock hboot you're wasting a lot of space on /system partition.
If it's the latest version of Oxygen it should fit onto OxygenR2 hboot with 100MB /system.
- Good you used gparted , ext4 over ext3 would have been slightly faster, not that much of a big deal though.
- Can I ask where you got the A2SD script from and how does it work? Does it move apps and dalvik automatically? Does the internal memory read 'internal + sd-ext', or is it hidden like a lot of A2SD scripts but working as normal?
Just asking, I know you've put a disclaimer at the top, but it's useful just in case for anybody in the future using this. They should be informed exactly what they're flashing and at least in basic terms how and what it does.
- Did you switch hboot before you flashed the ROM? This would get you even more space. If you're still on stock hboot you're wasting a lot of space on /system partition.
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i am using HBOOT -6.93.1002 and radio 5-11-05-27
- Good you used gparted , ext4 over ext3 would have been slightly faster, not that much of a big deal though.
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I am not sure that oxygen supports ext4 and thats why igot the safe path to ext3. Using Gparted was oneway for me , because i only have linux systems on my home/work
- Can I ask where you got the A2SD script from and how does it work? Does it move apps and dalvik automatically? Does the internal memory read 'internal + sd-ext', or is it hidden like a lot of A2SD scripts but working as normal?
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this particular A2SD is probably a previous version of darktremmors. i found it on my backups, and uts the one i used when oxygen forums were live. it does move apps automaticaly i am not sure about davik ,and dunno how to check it ,internal reads only internal memory, but works like a charm.. you can make sure it works, by installing tons of apps and checking "a2sd diskspace"
PS sorry for all that info missing, its my first post about roms, i will probably get better while upping my post count
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i am using HBOOT -6.93.1002 and radio 5-11-05-27
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In other words you're s-off, but still on stock hboot. This is wasteful like I said, your /system size is 250MB, but you're using less that ~95MB, wasting over 150MB
If you switch to OxygenR2 hboot, the system size is 100MB, you'll waste only 5MB, and the rest gets converted to extra internal memory...total 332MB instead of 147MB...i.e. more space for apps
Nandroid backup, download hboot from here, recommend to flash using fastboot, nandroid restore.
I am not sure that oxygen supports ext4 and thats why igot the safe path to ext3. Using Gparted was oneway for me , because i only have linux systems on my home/work
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ext4 is dependent on the A2SD script rather than the ROM. Most will say if they support it. I believe darktremor did support it when I used it on a different phone.
this particular A2SD is probably a previous version of darktremmors. i found it on my backups, and uts the one i used when oxygen forums were live. it does move apps automaticaly i am not sure about davik ,and dunno how to check it ,internal reads only internal memory, but works like a charm.. you can make sure it works, by installing tons of apps and checking "a2sd diskspace"
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You can manage it using this
You can keep dalvik on internal for now, sometimes better for speed if you don't have a high class sd card.
However, on stock hboot, you only have 147MB for app data and dalvik in this case. It may work now, but if you start to install more apps, on stock hboot you can easily still run out of space quite quickly. 332MB /data partition (internal memory) on OxygenR2 hboot allows for much more space for apps.
A better way to check your memory I always recommend is an app called DiskUsage, you'll be able to browse all your partitions. Install it now, you'll see all the free (wasted) space on your /system partition I mentioned earlier.
PS sorry for all that info missing, its my first post about roms, i will probably get better while upping my post count
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That's fine, at least you're trying to help rather than many others who just post unnecessarily just to post in dev threads (unnecessarily). You don't have to up your post count to learn, you get that from reading