I wonder what'd be the differences among "sense kernels", "miui kernels" and "aosp kernels".
In my perception there should be no difference.
I mean, which kernel setting or device driver would harm, say, CM7 against MIUI?
Based on my humble knowledge, there is Sense kernel because of the closed sourced framework(?) used by HTC on their phone. It is done so as to prevent from people anyhow porting to other non-htc devices?
As for MIUI and AOSP, I personally believe because of the MIUI framework being different from AOSP as it tailored to be more iPhone look alike?
Above those are view coming from a noob, do correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks
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Based on my humble knowledge, there is Sense kernel because of the closed sourced framework(?) used by HTC on their phone. It is done so as to prevent from people anyhow porting to other non-htc devices?
As for MIUI and AOSP, I personally believe because of the MIUI framework being different from AOSP as it tailored to be more iPhone look alike?
Above those are view coming from a noob, do correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks
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That's really new to me, that the Sense UI needs some kernel level (closed source) stuff to be included!
I thought that the Semse UI was something on top of the grapfics layer, well above the kernel.
But of course, I can easily be wrong.
Wrong section - It's a question - so Q & A
BigMrB said:
Wrong section - It's a question - so Q & A
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Maybe you are right, but it's also related to development.
And, moreover, 50+% of posts here are questions.
How can I move this to Q&A?
Wrong section. Should be in the Q&A section.
I'm sure one of the mods will move it soon.
but this is not a post, its a new thread
"Silly question"
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"Silly question"
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The only really silly question is the unasked one.
Where there seems to be thousands of silly answers.
If mine is an "already asked and answered" question, please point me to the source.
Otherwise, please, either answer or refrain from posting.
Thanks in advance, as usual.
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The only really silly question is the unasked one.
Where there seems to be thousands of silly answers.
If mine is an "already asked and answered" question, please point me to the source.
Otherwise, please, either answer or refrain from posting.
Thanks in advance, as usual.
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you only wrong to open a thread to ask something in the dev section..you can post in dev only when u developed something that you wanna share..not to ask somethign related to dev
about the different kernels..for what i know aosp and miui are about the same
sense kernels are different because htc did a lot of changes in its kernels..and these changes make the kernel incompatible to work with every rom..it works only on sense rom...and in the same way a sense rom work only with a sense kernel
htc deliberately make different methods in the kernel, and different methods call in the frameworks..the only working match is sense rom+sense kernel..just that
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I wonder what'd be the differences among "sense kernels", "miui kernels" and "aosp kernels".
In my perception there should be no difference.
I mean, which kernel setting or device driver would harm, say, CM7 against MIUI?
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Instead of making comments about the question, we should answer
Sense Kernels: These kernels are modified kernels based on Google's Android kernels, but also includes some tweaks and options for Sense UI. If you're planning to use Sense included ROM, you must use these.
MIUI Kernels: These kernels are modified for MIUI release ROMs.
AOSP Kernels (Android Open Source Project Kernels): These kernels are the ones that Google developed and published the sources. If you are not planning to use Sense or other manufacturer based UI interfaces, you can use these with AOSP ROMs.
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Disclaimer: I'm not trying to compare ROMs from different developers with the intention of finding out which one is best. Such threads always end up with one camp bashing the other.
Instead, I just want to have a feel of which one is more widely used. CM7 is feature-packed, while Oxygen is designed to be clean and minimalist. Both have their merits, and I regularly jump ship.
While I'm on Oxygen, CM7 went out of beta, so I am contemplating going back on CM7.
This tread does not belong in rom development section
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This tread does not belong in rom development section
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Oh sorry, I thought it'd be appropriate to post here because this is where people come looking for ROM. :O
Used CM7 for the sole reason that Oxygen does not have yet the long press volume to skip track starting the official updates from N1. Once Oxygen has it, it's still my choice.
Last time I installed oxygen I couldn't uninstall the latest version of maps (which for my purposes ain't as good as that last 4 version with clearer road names as you zoom in etc). I cant sort that myself, but On cm7 you can. I find cm7 bombproof with great battery but I'm staying with an old 44 radio.
I use Oxygen because it had gingerbread at the time it came out. I tried CM7 but there is no feature that will make me switch from Oxygen to CM7.
I use cm7 because it supports arabic and rtl language.
really stupid question.
oxygen mostly based on cm development.
fterh said:
Oh sorry, I thought it'd be appropriate to post here because this is where people come looking for ROM. :O
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Year exactly why you shouldn't fill it with non rom threads. Make it more difficult to find the actual roms.
really stupid question.
oxygen mostly based on cm development.
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Why? He is not asking which is better, but which is more popular, and I don't think you can tell that from which rom is based on which. If you even bothered to read OP you'd know that.
On topic: For me it is definately Oxygen. The stock android is more than enough for my needs. The only thing i'm missing is the long press volume to skip track, but actually i almost never listen to music anyway.
Cm7. It has theme chooser
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Can't beat oxy's battery life and smoothness
oxygen, although tbh ive never tried cyanogen, and i dont fancy it, like my phone to be relatively hack free.......
well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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I think Oxygen don't. Oxygen is an AOSP ROM with some customization done by AdamG and _thalamus.
I posted "other"
I jump from Oxygen to Redux, CM isn't a good choice for me... too bloated, I prefer simple (& light) rom
I remove also many apps from basic Oxygen & Redux, I prefer to stay slim
both are very cured & almost bugs free even if right now I prefer Redux for a couple of features integrated in the settings rom
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well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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If this is a popularity thread, there are 22000 installs of CM7 on desire.
source: http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/
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well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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Wow, that's a big call... I'd like to see how Sense/HD roms come from cm???
Yes, there's *alot* of CM based roms, but Oxygen is not amongst them and it's just stupid to say that everything comes from CM.
I like Oxygen - it's slick and very good on the battery... no it doesn't have as many built in features as CM but that's not for me anyway. This is the beauty of choice though... work out what suits you best and go with that.
M.
CM7, Purely for the mods and hacks that it has, Oxygen is also a very good rom, don't be swayed by what other people are using though, use both roms and then decide for yourself.
About Oxygen
Oxygen ROM is an AOSP source built ROM (ie. not a mod of any sense based ROM), it's minimal, it's superfast and mostly bugfree.
As Oxygen is not a mod/port of any HTC/CyanogenMod or any other ROM and may not be to everyones liking, it's minimalistic and basic but I'm open to ideas and suggestions for improving the ROM.
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for everyone who thinks its a cyanogen modded ROM.....
gingervillain which is not really cm7
Installing SetCPU or any other CPU frequency tuning related program on 2.3.x? Is there any point to it? Since custom kernels for Gingerbread dont exist?
You can change the governors (ondemand, performance, userspace) and max/min clock rate I believe, but overclocking is impossible without a custome kernel.
Morality said:
Since custom kernels for Gingerbread dont exist?
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Who told you that? Have a look at the Android Development forum.
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Who told you that? Have a look at the Android Development forum.
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I believe he is talking about custom kernels for Sense ROMs. Kernels for AOSP do exist of course.
frosty_ice said:
I believe he is talking about custom kernels for Sense ROMs. Kernels for AOSP do exist of course.
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What? Jeez, I've missed something very obvious here. Thank you for your answers though.
EDIT: Thank you very much for this info, my decision to try out Cyanogenmod just got justified Boy is my face red
cm7 obviously also has the CPU controls under it's settings so you may still not necessarily want to use setCPU.
I do anyway tho
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Who told you that? Have a look at the Android Development forum.
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i think the same that mr-jmm have a look at the development forum... there are custom kernels designeds in a first place for froyo but works perfect in gingerbread.. some buzz kernels and leedroid 2.2.x
Can someone do a summary of the main differences between the major "flavours" of roms.
Am I right to presume it is mainly "Cosmetic" with a few extra apps and tools?
Screen shots would be good too.
i also want to know this too
Guys just jump to the Android Revolution site.
Difference between this rom and others are huge!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894837
A l0t of answer you will find in the first few post
^I think if you want a very detailed explanation, then the link is sufficient. Plain and simple: sense roms are meant to imitate the look and abilities of the actual htc sense ui and CM7 is a community of programmers creating OS's based on google's source code. sorry, but I'm unfamiliar with the muiu roms.
Is there a difference and if so, what is the difference?
each has changelogs afaik , im using aokp and love it. cant speak for cm yet and unless im mistaken arent they all kangs right now ?
Flash them both, and have a look. It takes all of 5 minutes to flash a ROM. I used the CM9 builds on my Desire, not much of the CM9 extras are working, I'm not sure if that's the same for the Prime.
AOKP has extensive working tweaks, that much I do know.
aokp
difference is its features. cm9 is still in the works so a lot of the options you find in CM7 devices arent present yet.
On zephiK's recommendation I installed AOKP and don't see myself changing. It's a solid ROM.
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Is there a difference and if so, what is the difference?
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There will be. There will be.
But for starters, AOPK is like Cyanogenmod, in the sense that both are based in AOSP. Neither are finished, at their current stages.
Im going from CM9 Kang to AOKP right now. CM9 was getting a little laggy for me (when moving around homescreens). And im sold by the AOKP tweaks
Reading the op of both rom threads can answer this
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Uhm okay I was going to post a topic similar to this but ill save some room on the forums by asking it here:
What is AOSP and AOKP? What do they mean and what are they? Which one is better and what are the differences? Is it a specific ROM or is it like a category?
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Uhm okay I was going to post a topic similar to this but ill save some room on the forums by asking it here:
What is AOSP and AOKP? What do they mean and what are they? Which one is better and what are the differences? Is it a specific ROM or is it like a category?
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AOSP is Android Open Source Project, Android before manufacturers get their hands on it and install Sense or Touch Wiz. Essentially the Nexus Primes OS. AOKP is Android Open Kang Project a modified AOSP ROM made by Team Kang, with more bells and whistles than the stock Nexus ROM. Hope this helps.
azn android said:
Uhm okay I was going to post a topic similar to this but ill save some room on the forums by asking it here:
What is AOSP and AOKP? What do they mean and what are they? Which one is better and what are the differences? Is it a specific ROM or is it like a category?
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AOSP - Android Open Source Project. Simply put, this is Android straight from Google, with no modifications. This is what you have on your phone. All of the ROMs here are built on AOSP - most, like AOKP, add modifications, while some don't.
AOKP - Android Open Kang Project. A ROM by Romanbb and his friends, built on AOSP, that adds many modifications and tweaks that aim to improve the end-user experience.
Yes it does thank you! So basically AOSP and AOKP are categories of the type of ROM a ROM is? Are there any other projects or are these the only two ones? Which one offers more stability and fluidness in the OS?
azn android said:
Yes it does thank you! So basically AOSP and AOKP are categories of the type of ROM a ROM is? Are there any other projects or are these the only two ones? Which one offers more stability and fluidness in the OS?
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Almost.
AOSP is the version of Android that comes straight from Google. Manufacturers (such as Samsung, HTC, Motorola, etc) usually like to take AOSP ROMs and add their own modifications to it - and that's how we got Samsung's Touchwiz, HTC's Sense, Motorola's MotoBlur, etc.
However, Google partners up each year with a manufacturer to release a Nexus device. These devices are special in that they always come with AOSP, and because of that, they are always the first to receive updates to the Android OS, and are for the most part the devices with the most developer support on forums such as XDA.
AOKP isn't a type of ROM in itself - it is just a name given to a specific ROM. Like AOKP, you have for example CyanogenMod, which is yet a different ROM. Because we have a Nexus device, all of the ROMs you'll see in our development section are all built straight on AOSP. There are many ROMs out there, all unique in their own way, and the best way to find out which one is right for you is simply to try them all out. It may be scary at first, but after your 1st or 2nd flash, you'll become addicted for a few weeks
Thanks! Do you have a ROM that you recommend? Also, if all of the nexus ROM's are built off of AOSP, why is CM9 built off of Kang?
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Thanks! Do you have a ROM that you recommend? Also, if all of the nexus ROM's are built off of AOSP, why is CM9 built off of Kang?
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It's not, where did you read that? CM9 will be built from the ground up using the AOSP released by Google back in November.
Kang are using the Cyanogen GitHub to compile a CM9 beta ROM, as as far as I know, CM haven't released any betas (do they even release beta ROMs?) As far as I know they just go for a final build which is as stable as stable can be, people can't wait for the final builds and build ROMs using their work so we can try them as they are developed by the CM team.
That's my understanding of it anyways.
Oh my bad. I jumped to conclusions when I read the title to this post haha.
azn android said:
Thanks! Do you have a ROM that you recommend? Also, if all of the nexus ROM's are built off of AOSP, why is CM9 built off of Kang?
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CM is not built off of Kang. Kang is simply a term used to denote a compiled build of a ROM by someone other than that ROM's team or "authorized dealer". For example, User A compiles CM, changed a few lines in the code, and then publishes it here as his own work. That is a kang, and its highly frowned upon.
The reason the CM thread is labeled a "kang" is because there are no official builds of CM9 coming straight from CM yet - they're just experimental builds as of now. The reason why its allowed, is because recognized members of the CM team are releasing them.
I unfortunately don't even have my Nexus yet, but its coming in two days and I'm getting my feet wet. However, from what I've been exposed to, one of the more popular combinations around here seem to be AOKP with Franco's kernel.
I strongly advise you not to flash anything yet, though. You seem motivated to be here, which is good - but you also seem to not know too much about the world of Android yet.
Please, take the time to read through the following links:
Basic Android Terminology
Galaxy Nexus Frequently Asked Questions
Different Guides and Tutorials for the Galaxy Nexus
After you've finished, you'll be a little more familiar with Android and how stuff works. If you have questions, I strongly advise you to search Google and XDA first - I can almost guarantee your question has already been answered before
If you searched, but couldn't find an answer, please post in the Q&A sub-forum - there are many members like myself who love to help new users who are willing to take the time to learn themselves, without expecting others to do their work for them.
Finally, as a general rule, don't post stuff in the development sub-forum that aren't specifically development related. Yes, if you'll go through them, you'll probably see a bunch of posts that aren't tied in directly to development - but two wrongs don't make a right if you have a question about a specific ROM, usually the answer is right in that ROM's thread - if it isn't, most ROMs have IRC chatrooms set up, and if they don't - consider making a thread in the Q&A sub-forum.
I would suppose they add extra features, but nowhere in which they are mentioned do features seem to be mentioned as well. Consequently, I'm left very much confused. What sorts of things do custom ROMs add, specifically, and perhaps in more general terms, what are they?
(Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I wasn't quite sure where to post.)
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I would suppose they add extra features, but nowhere in which they are mentioned do features seem to be mentioned as well. Consequently, I'm left very much confused. What sorts of things do custom ROMs add, specifically, and perhaps in more general terms, what are they?
(Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I wasn't quite sure where to post.)
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The rom I'm on (MOAR) allows me to customize a lot of things that I couldn't change on a stock phone (notification panel, status bar, colors, battery style, etc). Some roms have themes that can be used to customize. Some roms don't allow for a lot of customization, but offer a debloated stock experience (with a lot of samsung/sprint bloat ware removed. Roms offer customized kernels.
My rom allows me to customize to my heart's content, and at the same time is built to make my phone run better.
Hope this helps...
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If you browse the XDA threads you will see there are a lot of benefits! One in particular is the hacked HOT SPOT!
I'm sure this looks like I'm asking to be spoonfed (I'm really just having trouble sorting through the overwhelming chaos of this forum), but could someone(s) post a recommendation(s) with a list of features and a link to a thread with install instructions?
Azhai said:
I'm sure this looks like I'm asking to be spoonfed (I'm really just having trouble sorting through the overwhelming chaos of this forum), but could someone(s) post a recommendation(s) with a list of features and a link to a thread with install instructions?
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All ROMS under original Android development section or android development section have full instructions to install. You must read carefully, instructions vary from ROM to ROM. There is a big difference between AOSP and TW based ROMs. If your not ready for the issues that may arise from running AOSP, I suggest modified TW ROMs. Most TW based ROMs are in Android development section. Any ROM that says 4.4 or above in either section is AOSP, because there is no official KitKat Samsung ROM yet.
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And the OP (original or first post) should show almost all the mods...
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