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Cyanogen vs DeFrost vs OpenDesire

I wonder if this thread is legal or not XD I would like to see how many responds I will get for this stats =)
We love our Desire(s) and our Desire(s) won't be that great without these souls XD This is not a competition or as such. It is just to see how many people are actually using these custom roms and their favours on them
And this poll is just for CM/DF/OD's users If I have an option "None of them" then people will ask why don't I put other roms as well. The point is: There are so many of them out there and we all know where they come from.

lpachuong said:
I wonder if this thread is legal or not XD I would like to see how many responds I will get for this stats =)
We love our Desire(s) and our Desire(s) won't be that great without these souls XD This is not a competition or as such. It is just to see how many people are actually using these custom roms
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Competition?
OpenDesire an DeFrost are 99.9% clone of CM6
http://github.com/opendesire/androi...mmit/6d04e2277e189be3a7033ed8cd06b88ebb6b574f
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7816282&postcount=10062

Where's the option for 'None of the above' - it's not a true poll if you don't allow those not using them to vote...

Kali- said:
Competition?
OpenDesire an DeFrost are 99.9% clone of CM6
http://github.com/opendesire/androi...mmit/6d04e2277e189be3a7033ed8cd06b88ebb6b574f
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7816282&postcount=10062
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I know that. That why I said this is not a competion or whatsoever. It is just to see people's taste on these roms

EddyOS said:
Where's the option for 'None of the above' - it's not a true poll if you don't allow those not using them to vote...
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true. plz have a none of the above option as well. ;-)

I use the DeFroST 3.0 and I feel so good. =D
Sorry for my english

cyanogen THE KING
NOW NO DeFrost and OpenDesire
Only cyanogen clone
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App and cyanogenmod rom

i think this tread shoud be closed.

Why? I would like to know the differences.
I have tried defrost and i like the defrost setup and cyanogen settings.
I like the fact that through defrost setup i can change kernel and mv and mhz
as well as tweaking status bar from settings.
Does opendesire and CM offer these things?

defrost is best

This is going to be very biased - everyone has there own opinion.
However, those that vote MUST have used all the ROM's otherwise how do they know that one is better than the other??????

None of the above - LeeDroid w/ brightsilence.
Stock Android = bleugh ugliness.

jastonas said:
Why? I would like to know the differences.
I have tried defrost and i like the defrost setup and cyanogen settings.
I like the fact that through defrost setup i can change kernel and mv and mhz
as well as tweaking status bar from settings.
Does opendesire and CM offer these things?
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if you woud like to know differences , read changelog or test them yourself. its not so hard to backup and trie diffrent rom. this tread like the other one has no point and its just destroing comunity. let devs to do their work . if you woud like tread like this do one with benchmarks. if i say opendesire is best rom what does that mean to you? will you install it??

ReD_AvEnGeR said:
defrost is best
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nice and intellectual arguements...

Kali- said:
Competition?
OpenDesire an DeFrost are 99.9% clone of CM6
http://github.com/opendesire/androi...mmit/6d04e2277e189be3a7033ed8cd06b88ebb6b574f
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7816282&postcount=10062
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kkaalldd said:
cyanogen THE KING
NOW NO DeFrost and OpenDesire
Only cyanogen clone
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App and cyanogenmod rom
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I realy dont like to start argues between developers
I think threat be closed

How is comparing three ROMS going to start fights between developers?

abc27 said:
How is comparing three ROMS going to start fights between developers?
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when user didnt get the right info

Don't worry Kali I know you and defer are the only kernel guys. Cheers
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

yup, DeFrost and OpenDesire are based on Cyanogenmod. Cyanogenmod is based on Google Android source, so then it must also be the same as the Android HTC sells? Start thinking people.
I tried Cyanogenmod at first and was very unhappy. Too few Desire users, too few Desire specific modifications, like up to date black theme. It also was full with bloatware (Amazon MP3, ADW Launcher) and I wasn't able to deinstall them with ADB completely. Don't know why. It also had some hick ups and consumed a lot of battery in my opinion, at least became the Desire hotter than usual.
Then I switched over to OpenDesire after I read that it is based on CM, thus also supports Bluetooth HID. Less bloatware, much slimmer and faster because no laggy ADW Launcher. Huge Userbase, with a up to date black theme with the circle battery mod. Overclocking features, etc. Perfect for me. And it runs fine at the moment and everything works as it should.
I haven't tried DeFrost yet, and won't plan to do it. The differences are marginal and to be honest, I don't really know what exactly the differences are. I just preferred OD because it seemed to me as if more users use it and AdamG releases more updates faster. I also decided to use OD because I have heard of it before several times, not so DeFrost.
However, OD and so should DeFrost, are much better than CM for us Desire users. Better optimized and more features for the Desire and much better support.

i tried them all in my search for a stock rom to compare it with my sense one.....and i must say that without saying cyanogen and defrost aren't good, OPENDESIRE is the best....very fast and very stable with customized options that do a lot of things....that's my opinion

Battery tweak??

I've read about people with the battery tweak but I'm not to sue exactly what it is or how it works. I've searched for it but all I find are Roms that have it put into them. I'm currently running AVA9 and don't believe it has this tweak. Is this something I can just dl and flash or is it only imported into certain Roms??
Sent from my EVO's 4G You?........I thought so

Ruki_Uki said:
I've read about people with the battery tweak but I'm not to sue exactly what it is or how it works. I've searched for it but all I find are Roms that have it put into them. I'm currently running AVA9 and don't believe it has this tweak. Is this something I can just dl and flash or is it only imported into certain Roms??
Sent from my EVO's 4G You?........I thought so
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Look in the developers section, there is a thread for Collins battery tweak. Read through that thread, because there is some info to be had. For one, the tweak was having problems with HAVS kernels and the Stock kernel (without Perflock disabled). There is a modified Stock kernel that is supposed to work great with the tweak.

thenewguy821 said:
Look in the developers section, there is a thread for Collins battery tweak. Read through that thread, because there is some info to be had. For one, the tweak was having problems with HAVS kernels and the Stock kernel (without Perflock disabled). There is a modified Stock kernel that is supposed to work great with the tweak.
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Ok thanks. Maybe that's why I wasn't having much luck, I didn't know it was called the Collins Battery Tweak. I'm running Narch's kernel so hopefully it works.
Sent from my EVO's 4G You?........I thought so

Cyanogenmod 7 vs Oxygen

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to compare ROMs from different developers with the intention of finding out which one is best. Such threads always end up with one camp bashing the other.
Instead, I just want to have a feel of which one is more widely used. CM7 is feature-packed, while Oxygen is designed to be clean and minimalist. Both have their merits, and I regularly jump ship.
While I'm on Oxygen, CM7 went out of beta, so I am contemplating going back on CM7.

This tread does not belong in rom development section

madman_cro said:
This tread does not belong in rom development section
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Oh sorry, I thought it'd be appropriate to post here because this is where people come looking for ROM. :O

Used CM7 for the sole reason that Oxygen does not have yet the long press volume to skip track starting the official updates from N1. Once Oxygen has it, it's still my choice.

Last time I installed oxygen I couldn't uninstall the latest version of maps (which for my purposes ain't as good as that last 4 version with clearer road names as you zoom in etc). I cant sort that myself, but On cm7 you can. I find cm7 bombproof with great battery but I'm staying with an old 44 radio.

I use Oxygen because it had gingerbread at the time it came out. I tried CM7 but there is no feature that will make me switch from Oxygen to CM7.

I use cm7 because it supports arabic and rtl language.

really stupid question.
oxygen mostly based on cm development.

fterh said:
Oh sorry, I thought it'd be appropriate to post here because this is where people come looking for ROM. :O
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Year exactly why you shouldn't fill it with non rom threads. Make it more difficult to find the actual roms.
really stupid question.
oxygen mostly based on cm development.
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Why? He is not asking which is better, but which is more popular, and I don't think you can tell that from which rom is based on which. If you even bothered to read OP you'd know that.
On topic: For me it is definately Oxygen. The stock android is more than enough for my needs. The only thing i'm missing is the long press volume to skip track, but actually i almost never listen to music anyway.

Cm7. It has theme chooser
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Can't beat oxy's battery life and smoothness

oxygen, although tbh ive never tried cyanogen, and i dont fancy it, like my phone to be relatively hack free.......

well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said

madman_cro said:
well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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I think Oxygen don't. Oxygen is an AOSP ROM with some customization done by AdamG and _thalamus.

I posted "other"
I jump from Oxygen to Redux, CM isn't a good choice for me... too bloated, I prefer simple (& light) rom
I remove also many apps from basic Oxygen & Redux, I prefer to stay slim
both are very cured & almost bugs free even if right now I prefer Redux for a couple of features integrated in the settings rom

madman_cro said:
well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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If this is a popularity thread, there are 22000 installs of CM7 on desire.
source: http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/

madman_cro said:
well. all roms and kernels orgin from cm. enough said
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Wow, that's a big call... I'd like to see how Sense/HD roms come from cm???
Yes, there's *alot* of CM based roms, but Oxygen is not amongst them and it's just stupid to say that everything comes from CM.
I like Oxygen - it's slick and very good on the battery... no it doesn't have as many built in features as CM but that's not for me anyway. This is the beauty of choice though... work out what suits you best and go with that.
M.

CM7, Purely for the mods and hacks that it has, Oxygen is also a very good rom, don't be swayed by what other people are using though, use both roms and then decide for yourself.

About Oxygen
Oxygen ROM is an AOSP source built ROM (ie. not a mod of any sense based ROM), it's minimal, it's superfast and mostly bugfree.
As Oxygen is not a mod/port of any HTC/CyanogenMod or any other ROM and may not be to everyones liking, it's minimalistic and basic but I'm open to ideas and suggestions for improving the ROM.
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for everyone who thinks its a cyanogen modded ROM.....

gingervillain which is not really cm7

Silly question about kernels

I wonder what'd be the differences among "sense kernels", "miui kernels" and "aosp kernels".
In my perception there should be no difference.
I mean, which kernel setting or device driver would harm, say, CM7 against MIUI?

Based on my humble knowledge, there is Sense kernel because of the closed sourced framework(?) used by HTC on their phone. It is done so as to prevent from people anyhow porting to other non-htc devices?
As for MIUI and AOSP, I personally believe because of the MIUI framework being different from AOSP as it tailored to be more iPhone look alike?
Above those are view coming from a noob, do correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks

ngsngn said:
Based on my humble knowledge, there is Sense kernel because of the closed sourced framework(?) used by HTC on their phone. It is done so as to prevent from people anyhow porting to other non-htc devices?
As for MIUI and AOSP, I personally believe because of the MIUI framework being different from AOSP as it tailored to be more iPhone look alike?
Above those are view coming from a noob, do correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks
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That's really new to me, that the Sense UI needs some kernel level (closed source) stuff to be included!
I thought that the Semse UI was something on top of the grapfics layer, well above the kernel.
But of course, I can easily be wrong.

Wrong section - It's a question - so Q & A

BigMrB said:
Wrong section - It's a question - so Q & A
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Maybe you are right, but it's also related to development.
And, moreover, 50+% of posts here are questions.
How can I move this to Q&A?

Wrong section. Should be in the Q&A section.
I'm sure one of the mods will move it soon.

but this is not a post, its a new thread

"Silly question"
Appropriate thread title
Everything else totally inappropriate

ziggy1001 said:
"Silly question"
Appropriate thread title
Everything else totally inappropriate
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The only really silly question is the unasked one.
Where there seems to be thousands of silly answers.
If mine is an "already asked and answered" question, please point me to the source.
Otherwise, please, either answer or refrain from posting.
Thanks in advance, as usual.

Uqbar said:
The only really silly question is the unasked one.
Where there seems to be thousands of silly answers.
If mine is an "already asked and answered" question, please point me to the source.
Otherwise, please, either answer or refrain from posting.
Thanks in advance, as usual.
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you only wrong to open a thread to ask something in the dev section..you can post in dev only when u developed something that you wanna share..not to ask somethign related to dev
about the different kernels..for what i know aosp and miui are about the same
sense kernels are different because htc did a lot of changes in its kernels..and these changes make the kernel incompatible to work with every rom..it works only on sense rom...and in the same way a sense rom work only with a sense kernel
htc deliberately make different methods in the kernel, and different methods call in the frameworks..the only working match is sense rom+sense kernel..just that

Uqbar said:
I wonder what'd be the differences among "sense kernels", "miui kernels" and "aosp kernels".
In my perception there should be no difference.
I mean, which kernel setting or device driver would harm, say, CM7 against MIUI?
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Instead of making comments about the question, we should answer
Sense Kernels: These kernels are modified kernels based on Google's Android kernels, but also includes some tweaks and options for Sense UI. If you're planning to use Sense included ROM, you must use these.
MIUI Kernels: These kernels are modified for MIUI release ROMs.
AOSP Kernels (Android Open Source Project Kernels): These kernels are the ones that Google developed and published the sources. If you are not planning to use Sense or other manufacturer based UI interfaces, you can use these with AOSP ROMs.

[Q]Best Mods for G2 (T-Mobile)

Shoot aways
Links are a plus!
-Tyler Debel

Personally I use CM7 with the radio Vision_RADIO_12.28e.60.140f_26.04.02.17( best results for me with this one) I matched the RiL files and so far I have to say I am quite pleased with the mod. I have to be honest and say that I am a noob and have not tried any other mod as of yet. I like most are drooling over CM9.
Hope that helps.

Gave ya a Thanks, and theres CM9 for g2? LINK!

Andromadus ICS for me
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium

RCMIX3d 4.0 works fine

MODS, Not ROMS!

Debel said:
MODS, Not ROMS!
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uuuhhh... those ROMs are MODs too...
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forget it.....

Haha, I think the OP means a mod that you can implement on a stock ROM, or on a custom ROM that doesn't have that particular feature. But "mod" is pretty vague, and yes it can mean custom ROMs, themes, etc.
Trackpad wake is one of my favs. And of course overclocking is handy.
Features I want on my phone are usually satisfied by the custom ROMs out there (including the mods I mentioned). So I tend to not apply to many mods after flashing.
Many on here swear by V6 Supercharger, especially for Sense 3 ROMs. But I didn't notice it to make much of a difference for me.

v6 supercharger works great, also enabled swap for sense roms. Running inferno right now with no problems. If you're a minamalist i'd suggest root explorer from market to remove un-used things like wallpapers, vpn, and such. Anything you don't need for function or use. Cyanogen wiki explains the apk's that aren't self explanatory. Also Tim clark's colors wallpaper for solid color bacgrounds. There are a few tweaks in the forums here that i've tried with varied results. Mostly depends on your ROM. Some are already tweaked and some need useful features that you can add.

redpoint73 said:
Haha, I think the OP means a mod that you can implement on a stock ROM, or on a custom ROM that doesn't have that particular feature. But "mod" is pretty vague, and yes it can mean custom ROMs, themes, etc.
Trackpad wake is one of my favs. And of course overclocking is handy.
Features I want on my phone are usually satisfied by the custom ROMs out there (including the mods I mentioned). So I tend to not apply to many mods after flashing.
Many on here swear by V6 Supercharger, especially for Sense 3 ROMs. But I didn't notice it to make much of a difference for me.
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Exactly what i meant, thanks for clearing that up.