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I flashed to NFSFAN's wonderful 6.5 rom for sprint vogue. After doing so I have lost ability to connect to internet and connect to active sync. Active sync gives me an error your device has malfunctioned over and over again. I've already tried the Start -> Settings -> Connections -> USB to PC, uncheck 'Enable faster data synchronization' for active sync with no luck. In the past when I've done a hard reset, I then also had problems connecting to the internet. Even called sprint whom couldnt help. Went through the ## codes to get to the M.IP default profile where the NAI was and it read about 7 numbers @sprint blah blah blah along with my public key in some symbols and signs. After changing my NAI to the proper address the phone would initiate the iota and everything would be dandy. Not so much with this 6.5. I love it but I need internet in order to survive lol at least until the rhodium Even if I can get back to the 6.1 rom, how would i be able to do that without the active sync connection? Anywho, help please? Thanks
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I flashed to NFSFAN's wonderful 6.5 rom for sprint vogue. After doing so I have lost ability to connect to internet and connect to active sync. Active sync gives me an error your device has malfunctioned over and over again. I've already tried the Start -> Settings -> Connections -> USB to PC, uncheck 'Enable faster data synchronization' for active sync with no luck. In the past when I've done a hard reset, I then also had problems connecting to the internet. Even called sprint whom couldnt help. Went through the ## codes to get to the M.IP default profile where the NAI was and it read about 7 numbers @sprint blah blah blah along with my public key in some symbols and signs. After changing my NAI to the proper address the phone would initiate the iota and everything would be dandy. Not so much with this 6.5. I love it but I need internet in order to survive lol at least until the rhodium Even if I can get back to the 6.1 rom, how would i be able to do that without the active sync connection? Anywho, help please? Thanks
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Did you hard reset and attempt again? if so then...
Download and install the DCD Sprint Carrier Cab HERE
The your have the Sprint settings and tools to connect
Detroit Doug
Detroit_Doug said:
Did you hard reset and attempt again? if so then...
Download and install the DCD Sprint Carrier Cab HERE
The your have the Sprint settings and tools to connect
Detroit Doug
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Ok cool. Thank you sir. I shall give it a try.
oops wait, i forgot i cant connect to internet or active sync
mbaseball3 said:
oops wait, i forgot i cant connect to internet or active sync
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Can you access your SD card via your PC? move the SD card to PC, copy to it, put SD card back in phone, turn phone on, wipe hands on pants ...
Otherwise with ANY custom ROM I always suggest, flash, let customizations run, hard reset, let customizations run, use phone, dance in your pants
for some reason it eliminates issues (like your having) from happening nearly as often or at all
Detroit Doug
I have that exact same rom.
All I did was run the dcd cab for my carrier,
Do you have alltel by chance?
because if so I have the arcsoft cabs you'll need to run for mms.
Otherwise you'll have to search for your carrier's mms cabs.
And whenever you plug your phone into the computer there should be a screen that pops up that says "Connect To Pc" on the top and has three options,
Activesync,
Disk Drive
Internet Sharing
If you don't look at the screen for like 30secs after you plug your phone in to your computer you'll miss that screen.
So pay attention to it.
That's all I can think of right off the top of my head.
Any other questions?
Detroit_Doug said:
Can you access your SD card via your PC? move the SD card to PC, copy to it, put SD card back in phone, turn phone on, wipe hands on pants ...
Otherwise with ANY custom ROM I always suggest, flash, let customizations run, hard reset, let customizations run, use phone, dance in your pants
for some reason it eliminates issues (like your having) from happening nearly as often or at all
Detroit Doug
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ok so i used my girlfriends diamond to download the sprint dcd and beamed it to my vogue. (not at a computer yet to try the sd way) apon attempting to install the cab i keep getting download unsuccessful. what did i mess up now? im ready to dance
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ok so i used my girlfriends diamond to download the sprint dcd and beamed it to my vogue. (not at a computer yet to try the sd way) apon attempting to install the cab i keep getting download unsuccessful. what did i mess up now? im ready to dance
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How did you do that??? the HTC Vogue (Touch) does NOT have IR for beaming
its got bluetooth and internet when working ..
Detroit Doug
I think he beamed it via bluetooth. My friends and I use that to send pictures back and forth.
atoz350 said:
I think he beamed it via bluetooth. My friends and I use that to send pictures back and forth.
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yes exactly I used the bluetooth to beam. I googled for the dcd cab from a different site that worked and now my problem is the dreaded error code 67 and 1012 from the client iota. I know my sprint web address is right but I don't know the password so obviously gonna have to call sprint. thanks for your help guys. im sure ill have more questions before I can dance about
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yes exactly I used the bluetooth to beam. I googled for the dcd cab from a different site that worked and now my problem is the dreaded error code 67 and 1012 from the client iota. I know my sprint web address is right but I don't know the password so obviously gonna have to call sprint. thanks for your help guys. im sure ill have more questions before I can dance about
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I think for sprint, it's the same as for Telus, in that you set it to #777 and leave username/password blank - HOWEVER - if in EPST your M.IP settings are wrong, it will not connect, and you will be greeted with "Cannot connect for an unknown reason" on the device. Your carrier should be able to give you the info for the setting you need to correct. To get to the setting you need your MSL, pop in ##PST# or whatever, and it's in there under view info - M.IP Default Profile. make sure it's set to ENABLE and the NAI is correct. For Telus it's your mobile [email protected]. Not sure what Sprint would be here. You'd have to ask someone with sprint.
If you've done all this already, and I've misread/not read that part, I apologize! Hope this at least points you in the right direction for solving your problem though! No data is no good!
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mbaseball3, did you solve your problem?
yes everything is almost working properly. thanks guys! my only problem though, still, is activesync on my computer still does not recognize my phone. I've been basically stumped. one great feature of this rom though is the PIM backup =D life saver. still a pain though not being able to sync phone with comp and having to go the long way of using storage card for loading and unloading things. still open for trying to solve this problem though if anyone has possible solutions. thanks all again
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yes everything is almost working properly. thanks guys! my only problem though, still, is activesync on my computer still does not recognize my phone. I've been basically stumped. one great feature of this rom though is the PIM backup =D life saver. still a pain though not being able to sync phone with comp and having to go the long way of using storage card for loading and unloading things. still open for trying to solve this problem though if anyone has possible solutions. thanks all again
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Are you using either 64bit version of Vista or Windows7? if so I know I had to completely uninstall and then fully re-install WMDC (Windows Mobile Device Center) to make my phone sync with my PC again
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Are you using either 64bit version of Vista or Windows7? if so I know I had to completely uninstall and then fully re-install WMDC (Windows Mobile Device Center) to make my phone sync with my PC again
Detroit Doug
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Yep. Same thing here. Switched to Windows 7 x64 and had to re-do everything. Outlook even erased all of my contacts on the first sync so back them up first! Once I restored them, all is well.
I'm actually still using windows xp. by the time I got around to wanting to try out windows 7 microsoft shut down the download. no biggie though.
mbaseball3 said:
I'm actually still using windows xp. by the time I got around to wanting to try out windows 7 microsoft shut down the download. no biggie though.
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Its open now until June.
mbaseball3 said:
yes everything is almost working properly. thanks guys! my only problem though, still, is activesync on my computer still does not recognize my phone. I've been basically stumped. one great feature of this rom though is the PIM backup =D life saver. still a pain though not being able to sync phone with comp and having to go the long way of using storage card for loading and unloading things. still open for trying to solve this problem though if anyone has possible solutions. thanks all again
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go to start->settings-> connections-> "USB to PC" -> then check off "activesync" and "ask me first..." Even if they are correctly checked, check something else off, soft reset, then put them back as they are supposed to be.
ok my activesync issue is no longer an issue. thanks for all the advice folks. something so simple cured it =D I just uninstalled then installed activesync (yes newest version from ms) and it worked. ta-da! shoulda been something done first but didn't think about it. doh!!
mbaseball3 said:
ok my activesync issue is no longer an issue. thanks for all the advice folks. something so simple cured it =D I just uninstalled then installed activesync (yes newest version from ms) and it worked. ta-da! shoulda been something done first but didn't think about it. doh!!
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Glad your activesync issue cleared up.
Can you tell me how you got data working again? It took some time on the phone with verizon before they could get my newly flashed 6900 activated then I had to download a prl file myself to get rid of the roaming indicator. But I still don't have data working.
Thanks!
Hi Guys,
I've just ordered 17 touch pro 2's for work and I'm very impressed with them so far. Absolutely awesome phone. We've just got one issue which is the fact that when the phone is locked (we used centralised policies with exchange) you can't dial from our Parrots. The phone says you must unlock the device to allow bluetooth connection.
Does anyone know a way around this without taking the locks off of the phone which is a big no no. Tested it with a collegue's Omnia and it works fine.
You can replicate this issue by using the Bluesoleil dialer which is what I've been doing for testing.
The parrot receives calls fine, just can't make them he the phone is locked.
TIA.
Same problem
Hi there,
I'm having the same issue for dialling out via bluetooth whilst the phone is locked. The TP2 says it needs to be unlocked before answering the call.
There MUST be some registry key to change to prevent this "feature" ... none of the previous HTC phones I have had have had this problem.
Thanks in advance for any help!
i have the same problem, i installed s2u2, which solves the not being able to dial out when its locked, but it's not the most reliable solution.
i'd rather have it working like it did on my kaiser before this phone.
hope someone helps us out.
I tried out S2U2, but the problem is it's only a keypad lock, so plug the phone in USB for example and you still have full access to the device.
S2U2 also does not stop you sliding out the keyboard and pressing the mail button to read the emails on the phone, so this isn't a solution we can use, it's not even a compromise
Haven't had much luck with HTC support either. They are very quick to respond but don't respond with anything of value.
I just wanted to bump this thread -- I picked up a Tilt2 and have the same problem -- really annoying when trying to dial from the car and having to unlock (didn't have this issue on my Fuze).
Yeah this is the most annoying thing I have ever seen. There must be a way to turn it off. I use Ford Sync and really don't want to have to worry about my phone being locked or unlocked. Seems like this goes against all those phone laws. You are making me look at my phone first to make sure it isn't locked before I can safely dial.
Wish I had found this thread before I went ahead with getting a Tilt 2. Didn't have this problem with my Tilt.
Is this a WM6.5 limitation? Hopefully there is an obscure setting that I'm too stupid to find.
Cheers
... and I was just about to ask on this thread whether or not this was still a problem in WM6.5 but I guess I have my answer now.
It's definitely an issue in WM6.0
I contacted AT&T and they said to contact HTC.
HTC gave me this answer:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I apologize for the length of time it took me to respond to your email. I understand how important it can be to use Bluetooth from your device when your device is locked. I will be happy to address the concern for you.
There is not a setting on your ATT Tilt 2 for enabling Bluetooth when your device is locked. When pairing Bluetooth with your vehicle your device must remain unlocked to use the correct functionality. I would suggest placing your device into hibernation mode and keeping your device in a carrying case.
Hi,
I have upgraded by TP2 with the offical HTC rom for 6.5 and installed my blackberry connect 1.06 client. Now, even with the BB lock enforced, as it was with the TP2 using 6.0 and it is working perfectly handsfree in my CAR, locked or not. Previously the TP2 with the stock 6.0 ROM wouldn't make calls when locked.
If people are reporting here that is didn't work in 6.5, then there must be a registry setting somewhere to enable or disable it.
I am just happy that I can make a call in the car, without having to pull over and unlock my phone.
If someone can give me a hint as to where in the registry to look I can compare some settings?
I have a stock AT&T Tilt-2, I loaded loaded "smartlock 1.7" to autolock the phone at power off and also when "in-call" to avoid random dialing. I don't use the PIN for locking.
I can dial hands free BT in my car and with headsets with no issues, power on/off whatever.
Maybe it'd disabled when locked with the PIN?
I am seeing the same issue with two of my users:
One is using a Verizon Wireless TP2 with MW6.1 stock ROM
The other is using an Unlocked HTC touch Pro 2, on the AT&T wireless network (not a Tilt2) with the HTC WM6.5 ROM upgrade.
The Verizon users is using Sync on his Ford Vehical. The other is using whatever system is in his BMW.
Both can pair with the car's system, but if the phone is locked with a PIN the user is not able to place a call without first unlocking the phone.
Has anyone found any information on this?
If MSVC is an option then it has the ability to dial while password protected.
Just noticed this has been bumped. I upgraded all of our phones to the standard Windows Mobile 6.5 from Vodafone when it came out a month ago and this problem is now resolved you'll be glad to know.
I've got 25 handsets currently working fine with no real issues. All the niggles that I had have gone away with 6.5 so it's definately worth the upgrade.
6.1 was screwed and no use with handsfree dialing if you use windows lock which we enforce on our exchange server.
Seems like every provider is a little different.
I have the AT&T Tilt 2 which came with WM6.5, AT&T support claims its a Microsoft and HTC problem. HTC claims its a Microsoft problem.
Anyone have a good support link to Microsoft to get this problem resolved?
Can someone with a working 6.5 rom please post the following registry info to see if there is a way to enable the bluetooth dialing on the roms that are not working?
HKLM\Software\Widcomm\General
When you get the unable to dial message it puts a new key in there called DontAskHfpCallFailOnDeviceLock and I figure that the bypass might be in this same area.
Registry
Here is everything under the BTConfig\General section.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\WIDCOMM\BTConfig\General]
"StackMode"=dword:00000001
"DeviceName"="HTC-ST7377"
"BDAddr"=hex:\
00,23,76,37,a9,89
"BlockBTIfHopper"=dword:00000001
"SendCompressedTelProperties"=dword:00000001
"UsePocketPCName"=dword:00000000
"UnnamedDeviceName"="<No Name>"
"UartPriority"=dword:00000096
"TransmitPriority256"=dword:00000098
"SuspendWithScoConnected"=dword:00000001
"SuspendTimeout"=dword:00001388
"SndPriority"=dword:0000009b
"SecurityType"=dword:00000002
"SCODelayTime"=dword:000007d0
"ReceivePriority256"=dword:00000097
"RadioInitLibrary"="BRCMInit.dll"
"PowerControlLibrary"="Serial_BTUR_DM.Dll"
"PCRemoteAutoConfig"=dword:00000001
"OriginalAudioDriver"="wavedev.dll"
"KeepStackLoaded"=dword:00000001
"EnableAFH"=dword:00000001
"DiscoverableTimeout"=dword:0000003c
"DeviceInactivityDuration"=dword:0000003c
"ConnectRelatedDefault"=dword:00000000
"BIPEnabled"=dword:00000001
"AFHAvoidedChannels"=dword:00000014
black88mx6 said:
Can someone with a working 6.5 rom please post the following registry info to see if there is a way to enable the bluetooth dialing on the roms that are not working?
HKLM\Software\Widcomm\General
When you get the unable to dial message it puts a new key in there called DontAskHfpCallFailOnDeviceLock and I figure that the bypass might be in this same area.
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erenken said:
Here is everything under the BTConfig\General section.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\WIDCOMM\BTConfig\General]
"StackMode"=dword:00000001
"DeviceName"="HTC-ST7377"
"BDAddr"=hex:\
00,23,76,37,a9,89
"BlockBTIfHopper"=dword:00000001
"SendCompressedTelProperties"=dword:00000001
"UsePocketPCName"=dword:00000000
"UnnamedDeviceName"="<No Name>"
"UartPriority"=dword:00000096
"TransmitPriority256"=dword:00000098
"SuspendWithScoConnected"=dword:00000001
"SuspendTimeout"=dword:00001388
"SndPriority"=dword:0000009b
"SecurityType"=dword:00000002
"SCODelayTime"=dword:000007d0
"ReceivePriority256"=dword:00000097
"RadioInitLibrary"="BRCMInit.dll"
"PowerControlLibrary"="Serial_BTUR_DM.Dll"
"PCRemoteAutoConfig"=dword:00000001
"OriginalAudioDriver"="wavedev.dll"
"KeepStackLoaded"=dword:00000001
"EnableAFH"=dword:00000001
"DiscoverableTimeout"=dword:0000003c
"DeviceInactivityDuration"=dword:0000003c
"ConnectRelatedDefault"=dword:00000000
"BIPEnabled"=dword:00000001
"AFHAvoidedChannels"=dword:00000014
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erenken,
Thanks for the info. The only item different on my 6.5 Tilt2 is that I also have a key "DontAskHfpCallFailOnDeviceLock"=1. Sounded very promising.
Unfortunately, changing this key to 0 and even deleting it doesn't make a difference: I still cannot dial via bluetooth while the phone is locked with a pin. I tried these changes both with and without a soft reset between.
mnunes:
Were you able to find a fix for this? I am in the same boat.
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mnunes:
Were you able to find a fix for this? I am in the same boat.
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No, so far no luck. I can't say I've been looking very hard, though. It's one of those things I've started to learn to live with, as annoying as it is.
I finallt got my wifi connections working by changing my security to wpa/psk so I got that sorted out.
Was wandering if a couple things worked.
1)Sound?? Any sort what so ever.
2)The light on the keyboard..Is there a way to turn it on( ) or is it just not working yet??
3) The number keys on my keyboard are just soooo out of wack..No numbers and the symols it put's out don't corrispond with the symbols on the keys themselves..Does that have something to do with the provisioning or is that not working as well??
I'm using [MJG]Rhod.2.2.BLAZN.072110 if that makes any difference.
Hoping for some answers and I appreciate it.
~SMurf
You should definitely read thru the posts for everything you install first most devs tell you what works and what doesn't, but...
No sound in android for touch pro 2( meaning no matter what build of android you install, no matter who developed it atm there is no external speaker sound) other than in speaker-phone I think
Atm you cannot control your keyboard lights thru android, nor the hard keys you have on your phone, so make sure that both turn off before you run android off your SD card to avoid battery drainage.
As for the number key situation I have no idea, Im running 2.2 froyo by project android and I have no problems whatsoever with my keys...
and actually i just saw your forum siggy, if you have a tmobile touch pro 2 you need to get the fix for your keyboard. Search is your friend.
smurfgod said:
I finallt got my wifi connections working by changing my security to wpa/psk so I got that sorted out.
Was wandering if a couple things worked.
1)Sound?? Any sort what so ever.
2)The light on the keyboard..Is there a way to turn it on( ) or is it just not working yet??
3) The number keys on my keyboard are just soooo out of wack..No numbers and the symols it put's out don't corrispond with the symbols on the keys themselves..Does that have something to do with the provisioning or is that not working as well??
I'm using [MJG]Rhod.2.2.BLAZN.072110 if that makes any difference.
Hoping for some answers and I appreciate it.
~SMurf
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You need to read a bit more bud.
1. No
2. No (Turn it on before booting android and it will stay on 100% of the time while android is on but this is the only workaround currently)
3. Read up on FAQ about your startup.txt file. There is a cmdline that controls what keyboard you are using.
I appreciate the help folks. It's a shame about the sound tho..
Anyway..Found out my problem with the buttons..I was thinking that the provisioning dealt with the network, so I installed the cab for AT&T..That one didn't work(keyboard issues) so I installed the T-Mo cab and it's all fixed. Works like a charm.lol
As for the keyboard light..Mine just works. I didn't think I turned anything on in WinMo prior to booting, and it works like it should(slide on/off)..or at least I think it does..lol
USB connection
Hello all,
Can it be possible to connect the phone via USB connection (for instance to a Mac computer)? I want to install my own Android app and I tried to connect the phone via USB and it doesn't work. Is there other way to install apps?
Best regards,
Arturo
asalinas said:
Hello all,
Can it be possible to connect the phone via USB connection (for instance to a Mac computer)? I want to install my own Android app and I tried to connect the phone via USB and it doesn't work. Is there other way to install apps?
Best regards,
Arturo
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just put the .apk in your andboot/androidapps folder, and when you use the update tool, before you choose run android, go to meu>apps and make sure you app is checked in the lil box next to it. to transfer it to your phone you could get a bluetooth dongle for your computer, transfer it that way, or upload it to a filehosting site.from your computer n then download it from your phone
Bought an Epic 4G Touch and found a local guy on craigslist who's going to do a full flash to MetroPCS. I'm wondering if anybody has any suggestions as to what questions I should ask the guy. I'm new to this whole thing, this is my first smart phone, but I'm a quick learner.
From what I understand from my research, he's going to have to flash a custom rom on it in order for the phone's features to be fully operational. Is it important I find out which rom so I can perform my own updates, or is it going to be obvious what he did simply by looking in the settings?
Am I going to have to avoid OTA updates? Or do I just install Rootkeeper to get the updates?
I also assume that by doing this I will be stuck using the custom rom, right? Or as long as my ESN is added to the Metro system I can change it to any rom I can find that is fully operational with Metro?
Is there any other vital information I should make sure to ask for in case I need to configure anything in the future?
Would it be smarter for me to just ask him to add my ESN to metro and then flash it myself? (If I can find a guide online-- links, anybody?)
Feel free to add any information that you think might help!
Thanks in advance.
its pretty much about manually programming in your data settings 100% correctly. anyone can add an meid/esn into their database and program in your phone number(##SPC#). if you research online you can find the exact settings. i dont believe metro uses wap anymore so that certainly makes things easier.
you should be able to use ANY rom and be able to call/text/use data. the only issue you will run into(maybe.. i dont use metro) would be mms. mms sometimes is custom built for a specific phone/carrier. when you see metro/cricket custom roms.. thats generally the big modification.. the mms. you may get some little edits here and there.. changing the word sprint to metro etc... but otherwise thats pretty much it. as is.. the epic 4g touch can be manually programmed with any cdma carriers data profiles for 3g.
if you dont care about mms.. its a 100% no brainer.. take the time and do it yourself. if mms is a must.. do a little research to see if others on metro got mms working.. there will be people talking about it somewhere on the internet.
and just to add.. if u do use a custom rom for metro.. you will be stuck with that rom(unless its a freely available custom rom.. but those are rare these days.. most are sold on cdma forums for lots of $$$).
I will preface this with I've never done this before so I don't know the outcome. That said, at least in my area, the 4g is not compatible with lte, metro doesn't have 3g but 2g rttx1 should work. I don't know about you but if it were me, I wouldn't do it. That's like putting a restricting device on a Porsche so that its top speed is 30mph. 2g is practically dial up speeds. Do what you will though...
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its pretty much about manually programming in your data settings 100% correctly. anyone can add an meid/esn into their database and program in your phone number(##SPC#). if you research online you can find the exact settings. i dont believe metro uses wap anymore so that certainly makes things easier.
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Thanks so much, great information. Question- Do you mean I can add my own ESN into the Metro Database myself? I thought only Metro reps could do that (independent ones for under the table).
As for the rest of the data settings, when searching for this information online, do I need to look specifically for Epic 4g Touch, or the data settings will be the same no matter what phone?
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if you dont care about mms.. its a 100% no brainer.. take the time and do it yourself. if mms is a must.. do a little research to see if others on metro got mms working.. there will be people talking about it somewhere on the internet.
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Actually I don't care about mms, as long as I can do regular text messages (sms). Does this mean that if I don't care for MMS I can actually get the Epic Touch fully operational on the stock rom?
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and just to add.. if u do use a custom rom for metro.. you will be stuck with that rom(unless its a freely available custom rom.. but those are rare these days.. most are sold on cdma forums for lots of $$$).
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So I couldn't re-flash it to a different rom? It's not "reversible"? (If it is possible- would I lose all the Metro data if I changed the rom?)
Thanks for the help, I've been Googling around like crazy trying to find more info, but not finding a lot. I probably should of gotten a more commonly metro flashed phone, lol. I'll keep looking around and see if I can find any guides, if I find one and can do everything myself I'd rather go that route (not to save money, just to be able to troubleshoot any issues that may arise in the future).
Edit: I've found this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8395950 that looks like it might be exactly what I need to do (up to step 28), and someone on this Epic Touch Forum recommended another member to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303507 but it's for Evo 3D, so not sure if it would work for the Epic. The guide starts off for phones already "flashed to metro with text and talk", though. I think I still need to pay the "Pro" to get my ESN added to the Metro Network? Are they able to add the ESN to the Metro Database and get text/talk working without flashing a custom rom?
Sorry... so many questions. I'll give lots of thanks =(
EDIT #2:
Think I got it now. Looks like I will need to get the phone Metro Flashed through my guy for talk and text (I can ask if his MMS/Web method involves a custom rom, if so I'll pass) then I can activate web (and MMS I guess) myself through these steps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303507
At this point (correct me if I'm wrong) I won't be locked into any custom roms and I can freely upgrade to any freely available rom (ie CM7) without affecting my Metro settings?
really not sure what the best procedure is for getting your esn added to the DB.. i would think any 3rd party metro store would be able to add it into system... as well as some people on craigslist. just look for the cheapest option.
once your esn ins in the system.. you pick a plan.. program in your phone number and msid (##SPC#) as well as write a metro PRL to the phone... and thats it for working talk/text. thats the "basic flash" most people do. only thing you cant do yourself is add meid.
and then you will eventually program data. the steps for evo 3d should be very similar to epic. other than how to get the phones into DIAG mode.. what to manually add is the same across the board... tho your username/password will be unique to you. (ppp password is based off esn.. username will be based on phonenumber).
i believe metro has recently added 3G in SOME areas.. so theres a small chance youll have that. and as for 4G... see my epic 4g touch thread on how to edit wimax settings...
ive said enough.. you should be able to take it from here.
edit: as for being "stuck" with a custom metro rom.. youd have the option to reflash anything youd like.. but the custom metro settings would probably no longer work. it would suck to pay for a custom rom that you end up wanted to switch out anyway(since it wouldnt be updated like he rest of the roms). i say pay the $10.. 15..20.. whatever it is to have esn added to the system.. then do the rest yourself.
If you search on ebay. There is a guy that can add your esn to metro for $25. Then you can flash your own custom rom, but you would have to setup your own data. If you search around, there are threads about how to setup data for metropcs around the web.
Ran outta thanks, I'll get you tomorrow
I looked it up on ebay and there's only a couple up atm and they end up being a lot, ie the cheapest is $20 but then they charge $25 shipping lol <.<
Luckily, the local guy I found on Craigslist (there are actually a lot independent metro stores in the area advertising actually) will add ESN and get talk & text working for $35. So it's not a bad deal. From there I'll get the rest working myself.
Although I'm gonna ask him about his MMS method, if it involves a custom rom I have been contemplating getting it. I been researching and it looks like all I have to do is backup the custom rom with nandroid, and I can flash to whatever rom I want, then I can always revert to the custom rom if I really want MMS working again-- if I'm unable to get it working myself.
My used Epic 4G Touch arrives in a few hours!
First thing I plan on doing is a full restore and then installing EL13+CWM. After this I'll get take it to the independent Metro store to get it flashed over to Metro. Then I'll make my first nandroid backup.
Question- By making the nandroid backup I can always revert back to the Metro data settings my guy configured, right? (In the case they get deleted through rom flashing).
Can I see all the settings he configured by reading the values set through CDMA Workshop? Would this include everything needed to make the phone fully functional on Metro again (outside of the possible custom rom to make MMS work)?
Thanks in advance.
Godswrath said:
My used Epic 4G Touch arrives in a few hours!
First thing I plan on doing is a full restore and then installing EL13+CWM. After this I'll get take it to the independent Metro store to get it flashed over to Metro. Then I'll make my first nandroid backup.
Question- By making the nandroid backup I can always revert back to the Metro data settings my guy configured, right? (In the case they get deleted through rom flashing).
Can I see all the settings he configured by reading the values set through CDMA Workshop? Would this include everything needed to make the phone fully functional on Metro again (outside of the possible custom rom to make MMS work)?
Thanks in advance.
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nandroid wont restore data settings... but you wont need to as 3g data profiles(as well as talk/text) stick after new roms. only a ##786# full reset will wipe those settings.
you should be able to see most if not all settings with cdma ws/qpst service programming.
1. Phone number/msid has to be programmed.
2. Metro PRL Flashed
3. after step two you now have talk/text.
4. Program in 3G Profile 0/1.
5. Program PPP data profile.
6. Done. Only thing I skipped is MMS.. which will most likely be covered by a custom metro rom.. tho maybe you could take the mms ap out of the custom rom to use... but im just guessing at this point.
autoprime said:
really not sure what the best procedure is for getting your esn added to the DB.. i would think any 3rd party metro store would be able to add it into system... as well as some people on craigslist. just look for the cheapest option.
once your esn ins in the system.. you pick a plan.. program in your phone number and msid (##SPC#) as well as write a metro PRL to the phone... and thats it for working talk/text. thats the "basic flash" most people do. only thing you cant do yourself is add meid.
and then you will eventually program data. the steps for evo 3d should be very similar to epic. other than how to get the phones into DIAG mode.. what to manually add is the same across the board... tho your username/password will be unique to you. (ppp password is based off esn.. username will be based on phonenumber).
i believe metro has recently added 3G in SOME areas.. so theres a small chance youll have that. and as for 4G... see my epic 4g touch thread on how to edit wimax settings...
ive said enough.. you should be able to take it from here.
edit: as for being "stuck" with a custom metro rom.. youd have the option to reflash anything youd like.. but the custom metro settings would probably no longer work. it would suck to pay for a custom rom that you end up wanted to switch out anyway(since it wouldnt be updated like he rest of the roms). i say pay the $10.. 15..20.. whatever it is to have esn added to the system.. then do the rest yourself.
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You can change your meid. ##YOURMSL#
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locoboi187 said:
You can change your meid. ##YOURMSL#
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yes it is possible to change an meid... but i'm not sure why ##MSL# is mentioned... the two are not related.
Hmmm... I'm stuck on this step :
USB Storage Mode is OFF - [Drag down the notification bar and tap on "USB Connected" - should be off by default]
When I click on USB Connected it just sends me back to Home. Any ideas?
(Step 1 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728)
EDIT: figured it out, had to re-install drivers and change the default location to 32-bit
Nope, still no go... Hmm Maybe I'll uninstall drivers and reinstall them. Problem is my PC isn't recognizing phone as a drive, just a device.
Yeah I dunno, gonna give up installing EL13+CWM for now and go get it flashed.
I think the problem is, when I connect the device I get "Samsung Mobile MTP Device Failed"
I downloaded the Samsung USB/Android drivers [USB/Android] and have Kies installed (Kies can't even recognize it though).
autoprime said:
yes it is possible to change an meid... but i'm not sure why ##MSL# is mentioned... the two are not related.
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Your MSL code entered at the dialer with the "#" brings up a menu in which you can edit. I used this with a sprint tech when trying to fix my gps
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Godswrath said:
Hmmm... I'm stuck on this step :
USB Storage Mode is OFF - [Drag down the notification bar and tap on "USB Connected" - should be off by default]
When I click on USB Connected it just sends me back to Home. Any ideas?
(Step 1 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728)
EDIT: figured it out, had to re-install drivers and change the default location to 32-bit
Nope, still no go... Hmm Maybe I'll uninstall drivers and reinstall them. Problem is my PC isn't recognizing phone as a drive, just a device.
Yeah I dunno, gonna give up installing EL13+CWM for now and go get it flashed.
I think the problem is, when I connect the device I get "Samsung Mobile MTP Device Failed"
I downloaded the Samsung USB/Android drivers [USB/Android] and have Kies installed (Kies can't even recognize it though).
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Maybe you need USB debugging enabled by going to Settings > Applications > Development
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Thanks, but no go. Have debugging checked. (I followed the tutorials to the letter)
youre trying to root?
I successfully rooted with the full restore, what I tried to do next was install EL13+CWM and I noticed 2 things:
1st) I can't get past this step: USB Storage Mode is OFF - [Drag down the notification bar and tap on "USB Connected" - should be off by default - pic] (ie when I tap on "USB Connected" it just takes me back to the home screen.
2nd) I continued with the tutorial since it says it should be set correctly as default, but then when the E4GT automated rooting package (not to root, but to install EL13+CWM) it hangs saying "Waiting for device to be connected"
When looking for an answer I discovered this:Why is the install stuck waiting for device to be connected? which gave me some ideas to try, although I've tried all of them to no avail.
I should note that when I go to start->run->devmgmt.msc this:
Code:
Android Phone
SAMSUNG Android ADB Interface
Modem
SAMSUNG Mobile USB Modem
isn't listed there, like it says it should here.
I think I'm going to try to reinstall all the drivers again... Should I do this before or after connected the phone? (The first time I installed the USB/Android drivers from the tutorial before connecting my phone, but I notice after connecting the phone windows goes through the automated process of installing drivers)
<face palm>
http://androidadvices.com/enable-usb-storage-android-devices/
It was so simple, lol... To my own defense this wasn't anywhere in the tutorials
Thanks again for the help guys
EDIT: Well, looks like my problem is still here, the E4GT automated rooting package still hangs searching for device to be connected.
EDIT #2: Omg... Finally figured it out. I thought debugging was enabled (it shows a freakin' check mark) but it has to be a green check mark apparently...
Weee installed CWM, now to create a nandroid and start flashing! Think I'm going for Calkulin's rom with the ICS Theme
Another question!
Hey guys, question:
I got 2 E4GT's flashed over to MetroPCS, both are working fine, but one of them gives me this error on bootup:
Code:
Error 67: Registration failure. Your Sprint data service username
and/or password may be incorrect. Please try again.
Any ideas? Aside from the nuisance, it hasn't seemed to cause any hindrance to the features. The other phone has never given this error, though. Both are running on Calk's rom. Thx guys.
Godswrath said:
Hey guys, question:
I got 2 E4GT's flashed over to MetroPCS, both are working fine, but one of them gives me this error on bootup:
Code:
Error 67: Registration failure. Your Sprint data service username
and/or password may be incorrect. Please try again.
Any ideas? Aside from the nuisance, it hasn't seemed to cause any hindrance to the features. The other phone has never given this error, though. Both are running on Calk's rom. Thx guys.
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if its only at bootup i wouldnt worry too much. its just the firmware trying to get a sprint connection and it failing.. since youre connected to metro. i would check ##data# > view > data profile/username.. compare whats listed for the one thats working to the one thats giving the error. are they both the same? if not, make them the same and perhaps you can avoid the error. if they are the same... its probably some little data setting somewhere that the phone doesnt like and likely not worth the hassle of poking at it more. like i first said.. the error at boot really isnt a huge deal. if it was a constant error that kept popping up then its something to look at.
Can someone help me with this? I think i've tried just about everything.
Specs:
sprint samsung galaxy s3 - phone
CDMA Tools DFS Demo version 4.0.0.5 - software
windows 7 ultimate 64 bit
Problem:
DFS seee the 'samsung mobile usb serial port' in the upper window of the port manager, but it does not appear on the 'devices online' portion. i have successfully had those ports appear there, but its like a flash in the pan on and off, and i have successfully flashed the phones but my goal was unsuccessful. since then DFS has stopped recognizing my s3.
I've put the galaxy into diag mode ##DIAG# and set it to CDMA Modem, and DM + MODEM + ADB for USB setting.
i have/had samsung galaxy s3 driver installed as well as generic samsung USB drivers installed.
I've done a combination of uninstalling and reinstalling them with no luck.
i've disabled kies.
i've factory reset the s3 and tried DFS with no luck.
i've uninstalled DFS and reinstalled different version with no luck.
i've gone into the registry and reset the port com values with no luck.
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what i'm trying to do:
Get sprint s3 onto verizon prepaid. i have the following:
samsung gusto 2 (with 60$ of prepaid minutes)- donor phone
verizon fascinate s1 - dmu donor
sprint samsung galaxy s3 (naturally)
and i cant seem to get data to work on the s1 (calls and text work). i tried and tried but i'm having some major issues.
it was this thread's instructions i was following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473141
and this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1210240
i'd be very grateful for any input here
thanks
BUMP!!! Please I am having the same issue. I want to flash a Sprint version to Cricket Wireless but the phone has stopped being recognized, it only show up as a com port but there is no actual recognition of the phone by DFS, QPST, even CDMA workshop doesnt connect to it. Please helP
Ok its working for me but I suspect this is just temporary. Ok mine is a sprint s3 so I don't know if this works with other phones but instead of ##diag# I used *#7284# and I also plugged it into another usb port on my comp. I'm pretty sure our problem will occur again but for now it's working.
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Help Pleaseee!!!!!!!!
zen_phones said:
can someone help me with this? I think i've tried just about everything.
Specs:
Sprint samsung galaxy s3 - phone
cdma tools dfs demo version 4.0.0.5 - software
windows 7 ultimate 64 bit
problem:
Dfs seee the 'samsung mobile usb serial port' in the upper window of the port manager, but it does not appear on the 'devices online' portion. I have successfully had those ports appear there, but its like a flash in the pan on and off, and i have successfully flashed the phones but my goal was unsuccessful. Since then dfs has stopped recognizing my s3.
I've put the galaxy into diag mode ##diag# and set it to cdma modem, and dm + modem + adb for usb setting.
I have/had samsung galaxy s3 driver installed as well as generic samsung usb drivers installed.
I've done a combination of uninstalling and reinstalling them with no luck.
I've disabled kies.
I've factory reset the s3 and tried dfs with no luck.
I've uninstalled dfs and reinstalled different version with no luck.
I've gone into the registry and reset the port com values with no luck.
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what i'm trying to do:
Get sprint s3 onto verizon prepaid. I have the following:
Samsung gusto 2 (with 60$ of prepaid minutes)- donor phone
verizon fascinate s1 - dmu donor
sprint samsung galaxy s3 (naturally)
and i cant seem to get data to work on the s1 (calls and text work). I tried and tried but i'm having some major issues.
It was this thread's instructions i was following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473141
and this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1210240
i'd be very grateful for any input here
thanks
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so did you get 3g working?? Im stuck at this point. Sprint s2 flashed to verizon with working talk and text. Mc gusto 2 and i need that gin and juice. Lol. Naw.. But help me my friend.... Thanks in advance.
MajorCinema said:
so did you get 3g working?? Im stuck at this point. Sprint s2 flashed to verizon with working talk and text. Mc gusto 2 and i need that gin and juice. Lol. Naw.. But help me my friend.... Thanks in advance.
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Still not working. Try following the thread nevell posted on flashing spring s3 to Page plus. And don't let this signature fool u I'm posting via wifi lol
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Man its working my nerves
zen_phones said:
Still not working. Try following the thread nevell posted on flashing spring s3 to Page plus. And don't let this signature fool u I'm posting via wifi lol
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Already tried it and a million things.
Looks like we all could use an expert here. IS THERE A SPRINT S3 TO VERIZON PREPAID DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE?!?!?! HALPPP
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Oh btw on the Sprint s3 when putting it into diag mode I used the pda instead of modem, which is different from what I been doing and from what I understand to be the correct way but it worked for me (this time). And of course under usb settings pick the bottom one.
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bountyboy8
PM me if you're still having the problem with D F S I may be able to help. [email protected]
you guys aren't gonna believe this but this worked for me. i am rarely able to get dfs and my sprint s3 to read on my laptop (i've had luck lately on my desktop...randomly), but i plugged in a usb hub/splittler thing then connected my s3 to that and now its reading and able to write in diag mode LOL.
annndddd its not able to read the port again. this just doesn't happen with DFS it happens with cmda ws and other programs. its a windows thing.
does anyone have a working consistent solution for this?
zen_phones said:
annndddd its not able to read the port again. this just doesn't happen with DFS it happens with cmda ws and other programs. its a windows thing.
does anyone have a working consistent solution for this?
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are you using com port 2 or 3?
try that if you are not.
then open dfs/manage/hit reset system ports.
close dfs but release ports than reopen from app tray and
see if it recognize.
MajorCinema said:
are you using com port 2 or 3?
try that if you are not.
then open dfs/manage/hit reset system ports.
close dfs but release ports than reopen from app tray and
see if it recognize.
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its usually like com 6 or higher. i guess i'll try those. hey are u referring to an older version of dfs as far as resetting port? i remember seeing that on 3.1 or so. i'll go test that out
Hey buddy, I was working on flashing my brand new never-activated S3 and became across the same issue with DFS not recognizing my S3. Here is my 100% working solution!!!
Step By Step. Sprint GS3 Instructions.
1. Put your S3 out of DIAG MODE,
---DIAL##3424#
-Select PDA, MTP + ADB. Then press back button all the way to homescreen.
2. Reboot phone.
3. Once your phone is back, put your S3 in DIAG MODE again.
----DIAL ##3424#
Select CDMA MODEM, DM+MODEM+ADB. Then press back button all the way to homescreen.
Plug it in, give it a second. And tada, DFS detects your S3 as an online device. I'm guessing Samsung limited the number of times you can plug in your phone and read/write programming settings, to 1 per boot. By the way, I'm working on flashing it to Virgin Mobile USA.
Oh man! I'm gonna run home and try this! Thanks for the response either way!
Hay would u know how to flash the MiFi 2200 to verizon prepaid by any cance?
Alexander243 said:
Hey buddy, I was working on flashing my brand new never-activated S3 and became across the same issue with DFS not recognizing my S3. Here is my 100% working solution!!!
Step By Step. Sprint GS3 Instructions.
1. Put your S3 out of DIAG MODE,
---DIAL##3424#
-Select PDA, MTP + ADB. Then press back button all the way to homescreen.
2. Reboot phone.
3. Once your phone is back, put your S3 in DIAG MODE again.
----DIAL ##3424#
Select CDMA MODEM, DM+MODEM+ADB. Then press back button all the way to homescreen.
Plug it in, give it a second. And tada, DFS detects your S3 as an online device. I'm guessing Samsung limited the number of times you can plug in your phone and read/write programming settings, to 1 per boot. By the way, I'm working on flashing it to Virgin Mobile USA.
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just got home and tried it...
holy crap it worked! on my desktop comp, but not on my laptop (i think its my laptop).
hey thanks for this. i hope it will work again when/if it starts to not detect it again. but for now im happy as a clam to be able to access it lol. thanks again
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tested again after failing to getting it into devices online, and did what you said and it worked!! looks like you are right about samsung diag allowance per boot. thank you!!!!
Alexander243 said:
Hey buddy, I was working on flashing my brand new never-activated S3 and became across the same issue with DFS not recognizing my S3. Here is my 100% working solution!!!
Step By Step. Sprint GS3 Instructions.
1. Put your S3 out of DIAG MODE,
---DIAL##3424#
-Select PDA, MTP + ADB. Then press back button all the way to homescreen.
2. Reboot phone.
3. Once your phone is back, put your S3 in DIAG MODE again.
----DIAL ##3424#
Select CDMA MODEM, DM+MODEM+ADB. Then press back button all the way to homescreen.
Plug it in, give it a second. And tada, DFS detects your S3 as an online device. I'm guessing Samsung limited the number of times you can plug in your phone and read/write programming settings, to 1 per boot. By the way, I'm working on flashing it to Virgin Mobile USA.
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zen_phones said:
tested again after failing to getting it into devices online, and did what you said and it worked!! looks like you are right about samsung diag allowance per boot. thank you!!!!
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I'm glad it worked, and sorry I don't know how to flash the MiFi device.
Whenever you can't get your S3 to work, just repeat the steps.
zen_phones said:
Oh btw on the Sprint s3 when putting it into diag mode I used the pda instead of modem, which is different from what I been doing and from what I understand to be the correct way but it worked for me (this time). And of course under usb settings pick the bottom one.
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Remarkably enough, this worked. I can't stop wondering why on this phone setting Phone Utils to MODEM does not work and PDA works...
Thanks again.
None of you guys are going to like this answer...but it's the truth.
This phone is crap. Period.
You want to know the ONLY real trick to get it to read in CDMA WS, DFS, QPST, etc?
Factory reset. A lot. Then try different cables. Factory reset again. Then a different USB port. Then factory reset AGAIN. And if it still don't work.
You guessed it. Factory reset AGAIN.
Reboot your computer. Factory reset.
The reason is this...the highest percentage of the time, if the phone restarts & is recognized as the same COM port, it will usually not allow any software to connect to it.
I've flashed hundreds of phones...way more than I care to think about, and the SGS3 (Verizon and Sprint) is the absolute most troublesome. It will make you second guess everything, over and over and over again. The Verizon SGS3 holds a special place in my heart as the phone I absolutely hate the most. It used to be the HTC Thunderbolt because you have to reboot after you do damn near anything with diag mode, etc...or LG when you make changes in EPST for mms/data/etc on the handset itself constantly rebooting but NOooooooooooooooo the Verizon SGS3 makes me want to kill it...and the Sprint one is close behind...
They're just quirky. If you can't connect your Sprint one, factory reset it, switch it back to Diag mode & plug it in....you'll almost always connect the first time, unlike the Verizon version which almost always takes multiple resets before it decides to do something. The only thing the posts in this thread that have worked have in common, is that they cause the device to be recognized on a different com port (or as a different device) each time it's restarted.
But, once you make it to the programming phase, WATCH OUT! This thing is FAST and reliable. For added fun, when I do the Sprint ones, I'll also install the SlimRom and OMG...talk/text/data wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee & SlimRom is lightweight & MMS will work without 3rd party apps. FUN!
If this helped, or was the least bit entertaining, please click "THANKS"!
androidjunkie71 said:
None of you guys are going to like this answer...but it's the truth.
This phone is crap. Period.
You want to know the ONLY real trick to get it to read in CDMA WS, DFS, QPST, etc?
Factory reset. A lot. Then try different cables. Factory reset again. Then a different USB port. Then factory reset AGAIN. And if it still don't work.
You guessed it. Factory reset AGAIN.
Reboot your computer. Factory reset.
The reason is this...the highest percentage of the time, if the phone restarts & is recognized as the same COM port, it will usually not allow any software to connect to it.
I've flashed hundreds of phones...way more than I care to think about, and the SGS3 (Verizon and Sprint) is the absolute most troublesome. It will make you second guess everything, over and over and over again. The Verizon SGS3 holds a special place in my heart as the phone I absolutely hate the most. It used to be the HTC Thunderbolt because you have to reboot after you do damn near anything with diag mode, etc...or LG when you make changes in EPST for mms/data/etc on the handset itself constantly rebooting but NOooooooooooooooo the Verizon SGS3 makes me want to kill it...and the Sprint one is close behind...
They're just quirky. If you can't connect your Sprint one, factory reset it, switch it back to Diag mode & plug it in....you'll almost always connect the first time, unlike the Verizon version which almost always takes multiple resets before it decides to do something. The only thing the posts in this thread that have worked have in common, is that they cause the device to be recognized on a different com port (or as a different device) each time it's restarted.
But, once you make it to the programming phase, WATCH OUT! This thing is FAST and reliable. For added fun, when I do the Sprint ones, I'll also install the SlimRom and OMG...talk/text/data wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee & SlimRom is lightweight & MMS will work without 3rd party apps. FUN!
If this helped, or was the least bit entertaining, please click "THANKS"!
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I understand your feelings bro. Actually I felt this way before until I finally figured it out, after a lot of hair pulling and gnashing of teeth. When you enter DIAG mode MAKE SURE PDA IS SELECTED, NOT MODEM. Then tap Qualcomm settings and select the option with RMNET. Voila, phone will be seen by ANY programming tool (CDMA Workshop, QPST, DFS). Hope this saves someone from a lot of hair pulling and gnashing of teeth.