hello guys, I'm a little dissapointed, I've just found this website to test the html5 speed of your browser and WP7 is one of the worst in html5, try it in your phones, I've tested it on my samsung focus mango RTM and it scores 141 out of 450 points
h t t p ://www.html5test.com/
ps: maybe I'm wrong but..... now I don't know
It happened to me too. Maybe it depends on the connection.
I think so too.. Look at d videos on uploading onto on fb.. Freaking fast.. I can gwf it up half its speed if im lucky..
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ok try to go to touch.facebook.com from a wp7 , and from an iphone or android or bada phone.. html5 in wp7 mango is very bad..
try in other sites like: m.gizmodo.com ... m.engadget.com..
don't blame the browser. Blame the site. They're not recognizing it's mango and sending you to the correct site. Once mango is released many they will send to the html5 versions.
Thats because IE9 in general is not that good in HTML5. Even the desktop version just gets 141 points. That will however change in IE10.
Yes, but for IE10 will have to wait 1 year!! ....
Stock browser on my tab 211 and maxthron mobile same 211...
jaiem said:
hello guys, I'm a little dissapointed, I've just found this website to test the html5 speed of your browser and WP7 is one of the worst in html5, try it in your phones, I've tested it on my samsung focus mango RTM and it scores 141 out of 450 points
h t t p ://www.html5test.com/
ps: maybe I'm wrong but..... now I don't know
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You are wrong. Its not a speed test.
Dude, this seems like a biased site to me. It's not possible that every single phone on every single connection, doing any number of background tasks like music, email, etc. scores a 141, It's like it recognizes it as IE and scores it as 141 no matter what. This is not a speed test.
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Dude, this seems like a biased site to me. It's not possible that every single phone on every single connection, doing any number of background tasks like music, email, etc. scores a 141, It's like it recognizes it as IE and scores it as 141 no matter what. This is not a speed test.
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141 for both Mobile and Pc browser?
Just confirmed, pretty hard to believe though.
Creamy
Why do you guys judge the performance of a browser upon some random value spit out by a website rather than using the browser and seeing for yourself? I for one can claim that both IE9 for desktop (I still like Opera better though) as well as IE9 mobile are pretty fast.
It's not hard to believe. IE9 mobile uses the same rendering engine called Trident like the desktop version. Why should it be different? Even the Acid3 test scores 95/100 on both versions.
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141 for both Mobile and Pc browser?
Just confirmed, pretty hard to believe though.
Creamy
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The test tests how well it complies to "standards", not how fast it is. Firefox renders the page instantly, while it takes Chrome 2-3 seconds and it still gets a higher score.
Something that is worth to remember when it comes when it comes to HTML5 and CSS3 is that it first of all isn't complete standards some of the points in that test might in fact only be suggested but not at all accepted to be a part of the HTML5 standard (yet).
There is also a lot of strong biasing towards the Webkit engine. It probably has something to do with Google pushing it and everyone knows that Google is the good guy, right? (rolleyes).. A very good example of this is http://i.reddit.com/. If you do some research on the CSS you will quickly note that it isn't written according to the W3 standard, but what I assume are something more like Googles standard.
Conslusion: Google is the new Microsoft when it comes to making up web standards.
www.html5test.com is not based on standards. MS has said that they will support HTML5 standards as they get finalized. Also, IE scores 95/100 on acid 3 because the other 5% is not yet standardized.
Consider a scenario where MS introduces support for a non-standard feature. Corporations and IT guys develop internal applications which use this feature. However, HTML5 standards group adopts a different version of the feature so MS has to change it. The IT guys mentioned above will have a nightmares.
Many internal apps developed and used within coporations depend on IE and Trident Engine.
Although Chrome scores high, in the past they have often abandoned fetures to adopt different standrds.
For long term benefits, we need proper HTML5 standard support and not get distracted by cool experimental features. IE9 is a very good browser. Don't let the numbers confuse you.
there are a lot of html5 websites that dont work on the mobile IE unfortunately, like he said touch.facebook.com does not work, also vimeo.com does not work as well as a few others. Its not as good as I expected it to be, and not that usefull as of now.
All we can hope for is that WP7 will be a recognised platform and companies will also test their mobile websites to work with WP7. If this happens it will be very usefull to have html5 support. Until that day Im happy the general rendering is improved and most sites render correctly now.
It seems as though touch.facebook.com is working just fine for me. It's not giving me the mobile version. The touch version automatically continues loading your news feed when you reach the bottom.
My IE9 is setup to show me the Desktop version of sites if that makes a difference to any of you.
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It's not hard to believe. IE9 mobile uses the same rendering engine called Trident like the desktop version. Why should it be different? Even the Acid3 test scores 95/100 on both versions.
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Because IE9 is hardware accelerated on HTML5... so unless the phone and pc have identical hardware, the score will be different.
Nor ACID tests, nor HTML5 tests are based ON SPEED but on FEATURES SUPPORT. Sir. Haxalot is right.
Desktop PC and IE9 on mango will score the same score, since they are THE SAME CORE.
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there are a lot of html5 websites that dont work on the mobile IE unfortunately, like he said touch.facebook.com does not work, also vimeo.com does not work as well as a few others. Its not as good as I expected it to be, and not that usefull as of now.
All we can hope for is that WP7 will be a recognised platform and companies will also test their mobile websites to work with WP7. If this happens it will be very usefull to have html5 support. Until that day Im happy the general rendering is improved and most sites render correctly now.
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As for vimeo, just use the button "View in couch-mode" on top right corner in each video. Then it works. A bit inconvinient but a good workaround.
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Another damning indictment of Microsoft, there will be no Firefox for WP7S.
Will other software companies follow?
Will Microsoft face another court battle for effectively locking out software developers and forcing them into a managed code playground?
The Vole announced the Windows Phone 7 Series at last month's World Mobile Congress and it represents the last chance for Microsoft to make an impact on the mobile phone market. Microsoft took a clean slate approach to the operating system that resulted in thousands of pre-existing applications becoming incompatible. To hinder matters further, its development policies aren't all that conducive for would-be developers.
This has led Stuart Parmenter, head honcho of mobile software development at Mozilla to announce that the developer of the popular open source browser Firefox has stopped working on porting the browser to all Windows Mobile operating systems, including the upcoming Windows Phone 7 Series.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597631/no-firefox-windows-mobile
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Another damning indictment of M$, there will be no Firefox for WP7S.
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Mozilla Foundatioin (or is it Corporation now?) has been unable to make a decent mobile browser for years despite all attempts. So while it is true that MS is efficiently banning 3rd party browsers by not allowing native coding, MoFo is the last organization to complain about it.
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Mozilla Foundatioin (or is it Corporation now?) has been unable to make a decent mobile browser for years despite all attempts. So while it is true that MS is efficiently banning 3rd party browsers by not allowing native coding, MoFo is the last organization to complain about it.
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That's exactly what I thought as well. If only then Opera can complain about anything.... I guess they had put quite some efforts into their release for WM!
LOL, I was was reading 3 years ago that They were releasing a WM browser. Nothing has come of that, so why would people care.
The bigger picture is if MS start to loose Other large developers such as Opera, they have already lost Skype. If MS don;t reach a decent number of end users, these big companies won't bother developing anything for WinPhoS.
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Opera isn't a large company by any measure, and most of its revenues come from mobile devices (although I suspect that it's mostly Mini). So WP7 will hit their income rather seriously unless the situation with native APIs changes. Opera Mobile on the iPhone isn't possible due to Appstore rules (no code interpretation for apps), so Android and Symbian are the only platforms where they can be present ATM (yeah, there's this Maemo and stuff, but it doesn't count).
I think it's funny when everyone types M$. Do you guys think it's cool or something? What are you trying to prove?
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I think it's funny when everyone types M$.
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You probably meant "silly".
I doubt "M$" will face a court battle for monopolising the browser on mobile phones. Apple has not faced any charges, and they are much closer to a monopoly on smartphones that WP7S will ever be for the near future.
Microsoft faced anti-competition laws because they had the monopoly on desktop operating systems, and were bundling their own browser with it. They have nowhere near a monopoly on smartphones, and it's likely they never will.
LOL @ damning indictment because no FF on a phone.
Get real! FF is not the be-all end-all, ESPECIALLY on mobile phones.
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Opera isn't a large company by any measure, and most of its revenues come from mobile devices (although I suspect that it's mostly Mini). So WP7 will hit their income rather seriously unless the situation with native APIs changes. Opera Mobile on the iPhone isn't possible due to Appstore rules (no code interpretation for apps), so Android and Symbian are the only platforms where they can be present ATM (yeah, there's this Maemo and stuff, but it doesn't count).
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Opera won't have any problems developing a browser for WP7S. Since their technology of downloading screenshots from their servers (they call it Turbo) is nothing that needs direct API calls - they showed it already by using Java earlier.
Now, they just ported it to native code with Opera Mini 5 - but it will also be possible to port it to Silverlight if it worked in Java.
So, Firefox isn't big of a loss, but the reasons in fact are. Not everything will be possible with Silverlight/XNA. And sooner or later some big business client will come up to MS and ask for a NDK....
I personally think this is more related to Mozilla's lack of dedication and experience in mobile devices which is why they stopped developing for 6.5. Obviously nothing was hard about it since Opera's been doing a great job for years, as has Skyfire. Their alpha of Fennec for WinMo was crap so it's better off that they leave that scene. Maybe they will have better luck on Android. Don't know much about WP7S development so I can't speculate there.
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Opera won't have any problems developing a browser for WP7S. Since their technology of downloading screenshots from their servers (they call it Turbo) is nothing that needs direct API calls
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You're confusing Opera Mobile with Opera Mini.
Opera Mini was entirely programmed in Java and runs on all sorts of handsets (that feature Java).
Opera Mobile is a full browser. It's arguably the best browser for Windows Mobile to date.
We most certainly won't see Opera Mobile on Windows Phone, for the same reason that we won't see Firefox on Windows Phone: The lack of native APIs.
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LOL @ damning indictment because no FF on a phone.
Get real! FF is not the be-all end-all, ESPECIALLY on mobile phones.
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LOL @ you. You don't understand the situation. We won't see ANY alternative browsers on WP7.
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OSince their technology of downloading screenshots from their servers (they call it Turbo) is nothing that needs direct API calls - they showed it already by using Java earlier.
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You are describing Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile. Opera Turbo is also not Opera Mini, it's just a proxy that compresses images, but the browser engine is still working with standard web pages.
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You're confusing Opera Mobile with Opera Mini.
Opera Mini was entirely programmed in Java and runs on all sorts of handsets (that feature Java).
Opera Mobile is a full browser. It's arguably the best browser for Windows Mobile to date.
We most certainly won't see Opera Mobile on Windows Phone, for the same reason that we won't see Firefox on Windows Phone: The lack of native APIs.
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Sorry for not speaking clearly.
I am not confusing Opera Mobile with Opera Mini. I've been talking about Opera Mini. And the latest Opera Mini 5 Beta runs natively on Windows Mobile (not Java anymore).
The Turbo Feature is also implemented in Opera Mobile which makes it render pages similar to the way that Opera Mini does.
Though, I am assuming that development of Opera Mobile will be discontinued in long terms in favor of Opera Mini - especially regarding WP7S.
Still, you don't get the point.
We're not talking about something like the Opera Mini here, we're talking about real browsers.
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I think it's funny when everyone types M$. Do you guys think it's cool or something? What are you trying to prove?
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Didn't you know?! Microsoft actually charge money for software! Actual money, in exchange in for goods and services! The cheek!
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LOL @ you. You don't understand the situation. We won't see ANY alternative browsers on WP7.
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Whatever you say!
Why do people care? Its a horrible browser and Mircosofts mobile browsers are alright- also Opera will prob come out with one, and they do awesome work.
The browser on the ZuneHD is pretty good and WP7 will be using a similar version with a bit more to it so I don't see a problem with just using their's. As long as the native browser is good there isn't any need to load other ones in the first place.
Hello everyone!
I just have a quick question, Why should a person take a Windows Phone 7 over an android Phone? I like the UI of WP7 but i can´t really say that I find anything else worth having that android does not already have.
I am a normal/amateur-flasher user, what does WP7 give me and others like me that android doesn't?
Meatballs said:
i can´t really say that I find anything else worth having that android does not already have.
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In other words, it has everything android has and then some - namely, UI you like. Sounds like a reason.
I personally will most probably go to WP7 via Android as WP7 most probably won't be available here for a while, and I never start a new year without a new phone. But that'll be a temporary stop. Android for me is like buying a Ford. It may be a great deal but I just couldn't possibly love the thing.
Meatballs said:
Hello everyone!
I just have a quick question, Why should a person take a Windows Phone 7 over an android Phone? I like the UI of WP7 but i can´t really say that I find anything else worth having that android does not already have.
I am a normal/amateur-flasher user, what does WP7 give me and others like me that android doesn't?
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well for me xbox live and the gaming & android was never an option for me since it just felt boring when i pick it up, i was thinking about the evo until i used it & after that i realized that i just dont like android. for you tho im not sure what your into, but silverlight should bring some amazing apps that other platforms cant match supposedly
thats all i have since i never owned an android phone I wont speak to much on it
Meatballs said:
Hello everyone!
I just have a quick question, Why should a person take a Windows Phone 7 over an android Phone? I like the UI of WP7 but i can´t really say that I find anything else worth having that android does not already have.
I am a normal/amateur-flasher user, what does WP7 give me and others like me that android doesn't?
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If a spec list is important to you, Android is your choice.
If a seamless experience with a responsive UI is more important, WP7 is the better option. WP7's spec list will grow over time (probably rather quickly). It provides the "it just works" aspects of the iPhone while giving you the carrier and hardware choice of Android.
So at this point, it really depends on what you value more.
1) Hubs - WP7 is an information centric OS vs Android, which is app centric. Hubs allow you to have all of the information and applications that you need one click away, instead of jumping in and out of apps continuously.
2) Games - Xbox Live is the largest and most poplar gaming platform ever. Games will integrate into Live and will allow you to play fantastic games online, and most likely cross-platform. (Probably not until v1.1)
3) Music - Every WP7 is a Zune HD. The Zune interface is integrated and beautiful, much better than music on an iPhone (IMO) and undeniably better than the music experience on any Android Device.
4) Social Networking - Facebook and Twitter are integrated into your contacts (Similar to the Facebook updates for each contact in Sense for Winmo but much better). All of the social networking updates are also integrated into the People hub, and you can comment and such w/o even opening an app.
5) Other random tidbits -
Applications are super super easy to create (I'm taking hours instead of weeks), thus developers will jump on this, and lots of apps will be created.
Hardware minimum is very high, 1ghz snapdragon, WVGA, and 5megapixel cameras are the min (but the platform supports much higher specs).
Large phone selection! Almost all phone manufactures have signed up to make a windows phone, and you will find a couple on every carrier guaranteed.
Lastly, Android is free! this means its likely we will be able to duel boot on a WP7 device, but you will never be able to do this on an android device
Somebody help me out, this is all i could think of off the top of my head. Hope it helps
For me: the clean interface, Live (and Xbox Live) integration and Zune Pass.
I've tried Android and didn't really like it. In a post-iPhone world I don't think it cuts the mustard, it's basically Google's take on Symbian/WinMo.
I like these arguments...
Keep them coming
- Uniform design language for applications
- Better business model for distribution applications
- Trial API for letting users try-before-buy
- More strict hardware requirements (= easier to write apps)
- Larger coverage of paid apps in Europe
- Zune integration
- Xbox integration
-- Xbox achievements (oh yeah!)
- No fragmentation in OS updates
- Supports OTA updates from version 1
- Better design and development tools (Expression Blend and XNA Studio specifically)
- Support for vector graphics
- Windows Live integration
- Cloud storage
- Automatically ("it just works") sync with the PC.
- Best platform for creating mobile games
- Hubs
I could go on, but what I think is really important, is that application and games development is easier than on any other platform. It's more rapid, with larger amount of tooling.
And this means more than people think.
Combined with the good business model for using the marketplace, the market will thrive. Which iPhone proved to be a really killer point.
Apps and iTunes are two points contributed large amount of the iPhone's success. It's scary how little Google cares about these two points for Android.
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4) Social Networking - Facebook and Twitter are integrated into your contacts (Similar to the Facebook updates for each contact in Sense for Winmo but much better). All of the social networking updates are also integrated into the People hub, and you can comment and such w/o even opening an app.
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All of your points are well "supported" though there is one flaw with the above quoted statement..
As of right now, Twitter is kinda' denying Microsoft access to certain functions of the TwitterAPI [not fully], thus the Twitter Integration with the new Windows Live Essentials Suite is still... pretty much useless.
And to my knowledge, Microsoft hasn't fully announced 'out-of-the-box' Twitter Integration, as they have with Facebook Integration...
And to make a stand-point in this thread:
Why will I choose Windows Phone 7 compared to the other available Mobile OS's? Because I like being a Tech-Guinea Pig. Testing is fun, especially when it comes to products from Microsoft. I've only been disappointed with Windows ME and Vista {Compared to what Vista was SUPPOSED TO BE <- Click to see}
Apple calls themselves innovators, yet all the do is polish a pile of sh*t (idea) and release it... if you polish sh*t, it's still sh*t... it just looks prettier. Microsoft is compressing this sh*t with 40 billion PSI and making, what looks to be, the most beautiful Diamond in the world.
{Figuratively speaking}
Agent Zach said:
All of your points are well "supported" though there is one flaw with the above quoted statement..
As of right now, Twitter is kinda' denying Microsoft access to certain functions of the TwitterAPI [not fully], thus the Twitter Integration with the new Windows Live Essentials Suite is still... pretty much useless.
And to my knowledge, Microsoft hasn't fully announced 'out-of-the-box' Twitter Integration, as they have with Facebook Integration...
And to make a stand-point in this thread:
Why will I choose Windows Phone 7 compared to the other available Mobile OS's? Because I like being a Tech-Guinea Pig. Testing is fun, especially when it comes to products from Microsoft. I've only been disappointed with Windows ME and Vista {Compared to what Vista was SUPPOSED TO BE <- Click to see}
Apple calls themselves innovators, yet all the do is polish a pile of sh*t (idea) and release it... if you polish sh*t, it's still sh*t... it just looks prettier. Microsoft is compressing this sh*t with 40 billion PSI and making, what looks to be, the most beautiful Diamond in the world.
{Figuratively speaking}
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Ops. Not sure what i was thinking, you are very correct about twitter. But, its time for M$ to blow that 3 year old polished turd out of the water with WP7!!!!
(P.S. Thanks for reminding me about Longhorn! I was 11 or 12 at the time!!! I'm gunna QQ all over again!! haha)
It was a minor error, so no biggy. I'm sure Microsoft will somehow introduce their Twitter Integration with an update of some-sort, assuming that they'll do "Client-Side" device updates, like they do with the Zunes.
I use both Facebook and Twitter, so both would be preferred, but if Facebook is all we can get 'out-of-the-box', then I guess I'll have to suffer.
[Actually, I don't mind.. I'm sure there will be a nice TouchTwit 7 App.]
Let me give you a real reason, instead of ****ty phone feature bullet point lists as above:
Android didn't go anywhere yet. Granted, while every app store has its rather tremendously huge share of **** applications, the respective share of good applications on Android is way smaller than in the Apple app store. Android's UI is also so-so and not consistent in itself (the system itself, third party apps don't count, since they're never consistent). Call WP7 minimalistic, but at least they're trying to go for a certain style and presentation, and that consistently. And even with third party applications, look at Facebook for Android, then at Facebook for iPhone. Maybe it's just me, but I want everything I use on the phone to be somewhat attractive. Now look at the upcoming Facebook integration in WP7. Unless you're absolutely disgusted by the Metro style, it looks way more attractive than the Android offering. This'll apply to a lot of future applications, too.
And with the easy and powerful programming environment available in WP7, you should see quite a bunch of decent and innovative applications. Because applications is where it's at in the end. An example: WP7 isn't even out yet, some guy is already demoing a panorama stitching application on Youtube, while there isn't even such a thing available for Android, and the platform's out since quite a while.
I've tried programming with the Android SDK, it was a pretty frustrating experience. Unless someone's a sperg or has tangible financial opportunities to be had (i.e. killer app or hired as Android developer), I don't see people giving it enough effort. As to be witnessed by current application quality.
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Android's UI is also so-so and not consistent in itself (the system itself, third party apps don't count, since they're never consistent)
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And actually third party apps will be consistent in WP7, it's awesome \o/
The amount of games available months before launch is also staggering.
^ your opinion only.
You have several FB and twitter apps to choose from on android, so your point there is completely bogus.
And they're all winners in terms of visual prowess and usability (note: sarcasm).
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And actually third party apps will be consistent in WP7, it's awesome \o/
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No they won't. Microsoft's obviously a gatekeeper on what it'll allow onto the marketplace and what not. But nothing forces you to keep within the Metro guidelines. You're dealing with Silverlight here, you can do whatever you want. I'm keeping a GPS logger on the backburner and am currently tinkering with a second UI for it based on the Zune desktop software. Granted, it's kinda Metro-like, but still completely breaks the norm in relation to the system UI.
I'm aware it's possible, but it's common practice for UI developers from the .NET / Windows stack to stick to the design guidelines. The vast majority will be using the Metro design language, and utilizing pivot/panorama controls, and so on. (Except for games, of course).
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No they won't. Microsoft's obviously a gatekeeper on what it'll allow onto the marketplace and what not. But nothing forces you to keep within the Metro guidelines. You're dealing with Silverlight here, you can do whatever you want.
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You are right, however, judging by all the demos so far, a lot of applications actually are very close to the standard. Simply because the Metro concept is pretty strong I guess. So we can at least reasonably expect a lot of "apps" that conform.
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I'm keeping a GPS logger on the backburner and am currently tinkering with a second UI for it based on the Zune desktop software.
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A GPS logger for WP7? Running in foreground all the time?
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You are right, however, judging by all the demos so far, a lot of applications actually are very close to the standard. Simply because the Metro concept is pretty strong I guess. So we can at least reasonably expect a lot of "apps" that conform.
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I'm not opposed to custom UIs. But I very rarely see good ones. Hell, even myself am copying an established UI for **** and giggles, because most other things I've tried looked like **** in practise (I'd say I've at least a baseline talent in graphical design).
For that matter, the current templates shipped with the latest SDK don't match the system that well. They're close, but not exact.
For some reason, Microsoft figured to write WP7 with Iris UIX, while giving us developers Silverlight instead, with clones of the various system controls.
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A GPS logger for WP7? Running in foreground all the time?
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Yes. That obviously relies on the application continuing to run on the phone, if you lock the screen. Sadly I couldn't test this yet, since the emulator locks up when you set a screen timeout and let it happen.
As for running in foreground, I don't see the problem in that. Personally, when I'm on my way with a bike, I have the phone stashed away in the backpack, so I don't need anything else running.
Remains to be seen, if calls interrupt the application. Not sure how to initiate fake incoming calls on the emulator.
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I'm not opposed to custom UIs. But I very rarely see good ones. Hell, even myself am copying an established UI for **** and giggles, because most other things I've tried looked like **** in practise (I'd say I've at least a baseline talent in graphical design).
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It's hard to beat a professional design, with some talent or not. People spend a lot of time on those for a reason.
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For that matter, the current templates shipped with the latest SDK don't match the system that well. They're close, but not exact.
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True. They promised to supply Pivot and Panorama in the final version of tools, AFAIR.
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I guess it was difficult to do it in Silverlight when it wasn't ready? Apart from that, you don't want a web browser done in C#.
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As for running in foreground, I don't see the problem in that. Personally, when I'm on my way with a bike, I have the phone stashed away in the backpack, so I don't need anything else running.
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I don't use GPS loggers myself but always thought one of the core usecases was logging your track while you're using satnav.
I would not take any win oh no matter what version over Android. Personally windows phone 7 def.ly is a major upgrade but it still can't be compared to the open source Android. You will def.ly be by far more restrictive with win 7 ph, plus the apps market for WP7 can't be compare to the Android market.
Don't get me wrong WP7 is a total and competely new UI with a bunch of features that would def.ly be useful to some, but at the end of the day it's MS.
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Before you start bashing me for starting this thread. Note Ive Search And Haven't Seen This Come Up Yet.
Now As Much As I love Skyfire, Im not seeing a whole lot of support for it from WP7. Someone Please bring me up to par with whats going on?
Heres the Only Info Ive found on this and its not much http ://support.skyfire.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5513
Skyfire could actually function reasonbly well on WP7 (due to the rendering being done by Skyfire's servers) and would be allowed by Microsoft. It's just up to Skyfire on whether they want to make it or not.
Ok thanks. I guess ill have to wait and see.
I read something awhile ago where SkyFire said they couldn't make a SkyFire version for WP7 due to lack of Native Code. I'm sure they could write their own code instead of just borrowing Microsofts, but that is where they stand now.
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I read something awhile ago where SkyFire said they couldn't make a SkyFire version for WP7 due to lack of Native Code. I'm sure they could write their own code instead of just borrowing Microsofts, but that is where they stand now.
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I know Opera said that but I hadn't seen Skyfire.
I don't really see why they couldn't. They don't do any rendering on the device. They have servers that pull the web page on your behalf and transcode it into a format that's pre-rendered and easier on the device. I would think this would be pretty easy in XNA or maybe even silverlight. Now a browser that actually decodes and renders the page all on it's own, yea that will be much slower without native code. It's a good thing the built in browser doesn't suck.
They could probably get a working version of skyfire on a device but it wouldn't have multitasking ability like IE does so why would anyone want to use it? I think they will eventually have multiple browsers but I think it'll be after multitasking is fully unleashed.
RustyGrom said:
I know Opera said that but I hadn't seen Skyfire.
I don't really see why they couldn't. They don't do any rendering on the device. They have servers that pull the web page on your behalf and transcode it into a format that's pre-rendered and easier on the device. I would think this would be pretty easy in XNA or maybe even silverlight. Now a browser that actually decodes and renders the page all on it's own, yea that will be much slower without native code. It's a good thing the built in browser doesn't suck.
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Lol haven't seen it.
Are you sure?
Lack of Opera Mini is another let down.
Do you know the source?
doministry said:
Lol haven't seen it.
Are you sure?
Lack of Opera Mini is another let down.
Do you know the source?
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Sure of what?
Source of what? I didn't say anything that requires attribution...
i thought they were allowing for any third party browsers on wp7
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i thought they were allowing for any third party browsers on wp7
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Yes, they are. However, third parties are limited to using managed code (Silverlight and XNA) which would make writing a browser implausible if not impossible. However, with browsers that perform the actual page rendering on a remote server and basically send a capture of the page back to the phone to display, they should be able to make one just fine. Creating an HTML and JavaScript engine in C#, particularly with the limitations that WP7 has on top of that, would be out of the question.
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Sure of what?
Source of what? I didn't say anything that requires attribution...
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Oh man, I was asking for the source of the Opera saying thy won't be able to make OperaMini for WP7!!
Looks like Opera will be giving WP7 some sweet love .
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/opera-to-launch-opera-mini-6-and-opera-mobile-11-at-ctia
Looks like it wont be (at least for now).
http://wmpoweruser.com/opera-web-browser-coming-to-windows-phone-7-at-ctia/
Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
MartyLK said:
Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Wish I could say the same........ Im finding it slow as hell
Waiting for a good quality 3rd party browser.
conantroutman said:
Wish I could say the same........ Im finding it slow as hell
Waiting for a good quality 3rd party browser.
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Which phone do you have? I guess that really shouldn't make any difference, but some ppl report the Dells are faster at app loading. Don't know why since all the hardware is essentially the same. But I compared IE on my HD7 to Safari on my iPhone and Chrome on my Android phone and IE is slightly slower but it is smoother and cleaner. But the speed difference with Safari is negligible.
I'm not a fan of the standard WP7 browser, the Google "adapted for mobile" on it annoys the living daylights out of me! I've set it to show me the desktop pages, but i still get it all the time!
Im on an HD2 so that's probably the reason its slow.
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IE is great but in some areas is pure SHAME.
Doesn't support banking in my bank.
What's more it doesn't OPEN some pages!
I want a second browser.
This story has been updated. It is for Windows 7 (tablets), not Windows Phone 7.
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This story has been updated. It is for Windows 7 (tablets), not Windows Phone 7.
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That's right
I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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Yeah, I like IE too and am surprised how well it works coming from IE on the HD2 in WinMo. But I have had issues with IE in WP7 in the past. It crashed once where I had to reboot to get it working again. But that didn't dull my enjoyment of it. It's a sweetly smooth and responsive browser that likely will be improved with...erm...refinement....hehe. I won't say updates, because those are something MS doesn't understand or use.
thesecondsfade said:
I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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Well if IE9 will polish some issues and add Flash & HTML5 it's ok.
However I would still like the choice. Opera has some amazing features.
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Yeah, I like IE too and am surprised how well it works coming from IE on the HD2 in WinMo. But I have had issues with IE in WP7 in the past. It crashed once where I had to reboot to get it working again. But that didn't dull my enjoyment of it. It's a sweetly smooth and responsive browser that likely will be improved with...erm...refinement....hehe. I won't say updates, because those are something MS doesn't understand or use.
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Crashed as in totally locked up the whole phone??
Just experienced this about 3 mins ago...
I'm slowly getting used to this version of ie but it doesn't even compare to opera 9.7 on wm6.5
Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Well, there is an app in the marketplace, called "Opera Link" which features access to your speed-dial, bookmarks and notes. When you press one of those, the link will be opened in IE.
Sincerly,
DeathLamp
PS: I think I read somewhere, that Opera had Closed Betas for Opera Mobile for WP7 when there were no WP7-Phones and just the emulator but as mentioned, I have no source for that.
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Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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that's becouse the HD2 drivers aren't good. (known problem)
got my Omnia 7 yesterday and its a lot smoother then my HD2 WP7.
only downside is there is no file browser (touchXplorer doesn't work on non-htc)
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Crashed as in totally locked up the whole phone??
Just experienced this about 3 mins ago...
I'm slowly getting used to this version of ie but it doesn't even compare to opera 9.7 on wm6.5
Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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It kind of did screw up the whole system. From what I can remember I could only get out of IE by using the Windows button and could barely do much else except be on the main screen. I haven't experience it since. And, by the way, this freeze-up occurred while browsing XDA...lol
WP7 pinch to zoom is second to none. It is the actual absolute best thing about WP7. It is so perfectly precise and immediately responsive. If you aren't getting that on your HD2 WP7 experience, I encourage you to go check out an HD7 and see. The PtZ is one thing that floored me when I first got my HD7.
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It kind of did screw up the whole system. From what I can remember I could only get out of IE by using the Windows button and could barely do much else except be on the main screen. I haven't experience it since. And, by the way, this freeze-up occurred while browsing XDA...lol
WP7 pinch to zoom is second to none. It is the actual absolute best thing about WP7. It is so perfectly precise and immediately responsive. If you aren't getting that on your HD2 WP7 experience, I encourage you to go check out an HD7 and see. The PtZ is one thing that floored me when I first got my HD7.
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haha yeah it was xda that screwed me too...
As for the multitouch, looks like I'm gonna have to stop by the t mobile store for some native pinch to zoom action...
conantroutman said:
haha yeah it was xda that screwed me too...
As for the multitouch, looks like I'm gonna have to stop by the t mobile store for some native pinch to zoom action...
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Pinch to zoom is actually almost perfect on WP7, no complaints on this field.
Agreed. PtZ is great on WP7. You can even PtZ and move around the webpage/photo/document at the same time which gives you superb precision.
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
MS listens to their customers DDDD
What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
I don't feel the need for any of those.
Internet Explorer is superb and the office applications are better than any i've used on other platforms.
doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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doministry said:
Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP
doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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The whole point of putting out a quality product from the get-go was to eliminate the need for all of this excess garbage. I replaced that crap on Android because the default stuff was garbage. This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
Also third party browsers can very well created but no one has put forth the time to build a new rendering engine solely for WP7.
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I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP
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Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.
The OP is right.
Even if "IE9 is the best" (and there is no such thing) people love options. I am having a hard time giving up Android fully because there is no real cross platform chat option in WP7. No whatsapp. No Skype. These programs have millions of users. The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7. I used that all the time on my HTC Touch WinMo phone.
The NoDo update is so trivial in my mind. The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
Then I will be happy....er.
nicksti said:
The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
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more APIs... word around is MIX 2011 will introduce devs to more WP APIs (hopefully sockets is one of them)
and multi tasking is the mango update coming fall 2011 (septemberish?)
nicksti said:
The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7.
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They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.
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Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.
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oh okay my bad. I don't know all of that detailed stuff lol
Well WP7 has only one browser and few skins. Rendering is identical with all the good and bad consequences.
I am not asking you guys to need other options but it is sick that it's the only platform which still has no options. I like IE very much but I miss Opera Mini server rendering for fast browsing in worse coverage area. And I have few pages IE misses big time. No flash etc.
As for the Office, other platforms have DocsToGo which kills Office with one finger.
And now Softmaker will make Office for Android...
The Word implementation on WP7 is my huge disappointment. Almost featureless app.
It's the first time for 4 years I have to use PC to make basic editing like font style changing or inserting a tablet.
The same with email. The MS email client is so nice but at the same time is a pain. Not able to delete quoted message? Bummer. And very very often I don't see the pictures loaded or even worse, attachements don't show up so Ihave to open my email in the browser.
z33dev33l said:
This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
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No. It sounds like a person who likes to have a choice, especially compared to other platforms. And have had it previously.
WP7 is very far from perfectly functional device. We don't live in a camp where is only one truth for all. Accept the diversity.
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They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.
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I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?
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Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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That isn't a restriction, its an API that hasn't been implemented yet. There is no policy that limits people to Http Request and there is no switch they can flick to quickly enable it, outside of giving people access to the native APIs.
doministry said:
Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.
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Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.
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Really?
Read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/surfy-alternate-ie-shell-for-wp7-having-a-hard-time-getting-to-market/
This was just about the new broswer UI..
nicksti said:
I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?
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Yeah, Li'Messenger was removed a day or two after release. No official confirmation as to why, but I'm guessing because it accessed the Live servers directly thru unsupported APIs. Rumors have it they are bringing out a new version adhering to the Live EULA though.
Messenger by Miyowa had an update just a couple days ago which made it a lot more stable. It's still a very basic app though and I definitely wouldn't suggest you run out and get a new WP7 device because of it.
TBH though, I don't think Messenger in a larger capacity will work properly on WP7 until we get a native client (apparently not going to happen) or the OS allows apps to multitask (H2 '11 - so Dec 31st ). Even with live tile or toast notifications it's too cumbersome to use for anything but quick messages due to load/login times etc.