Looks like Opera will be giving WP7 some sweet love .
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/opera-to-launch-opera-mini-6-and-opera-mobile-11-at-ctia
Looks like it wont be (at least for now).
http://wmpoweruser.com/opera-web-browser-coming-to-windows-phone-7-at-ctia/
Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
MartyLK said:
Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Wish I could say the same........ Im finding it slow as hell
Waiting for a good quality 3rd party browser.
conantroutman said:
Wish I could say the same........ Im finding it slow as hell
Waiting for a good quality 3rd party browser.
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Which phone do you have? I guess that really shouldn't make any difference, but some ppl report the Dells are faster at app loading. Don't know why since all the hardware is essentially the same. But I compared IE on my HD7 to Safari on my iPhone and Chrome on my Android phone and IE is slightly slower but it is smoother and cleaner. But the speed difference with Safari is negligible.
I'm not a fan of the standard WP7 browser, the Google "adapted for mobile" on it annoys the living daylights out of me! I've set it to show me the desktop pages, but i still get it all the time!
Im on an HD2 so that's probably the reason its slow.
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IE is great but in some areas is pure SHAME.
Doesn't support banking in my bank.
What's more it doesn't OPEN some pages!
I want a second browser.
This story has been updated. It is for Windows 7 (tablets), not Windows Phone 7.
foxbat121 said:
This story has been updated. It is for Windows 7 (tablets), not Windows Phone 7.
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That's right
I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
thesecondsfade said:
I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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Yeah, I like IE too and am surprised how well it works coming from IE on the HD2 in WinMo. But I have had issues with IE in WP7 in the past. It crashed once where I had to reboot to get it working again. But that didn't dull my enjoyment of it. It's a sweetly smooth and responsive browser that likely will be improved with...erm...refinement....hehe. I won't say updates, because those are something MS doesn't understand or use.
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I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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Well if IE9 will polish some issues and add Flash & HTML5 it's ok.
However I would still like the choice. Opera has some amazing features.
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Yeah, I like IE too and am surprised how well it works coming from IE on the HD2 in WinMo. But I have had issues with IE in WP7 in the past. It crashed once where I had to reboot to get it working again. But that didn't dull my enjoyment of it. It's a sweetly smooth and responsive browser that likely will be improved with...erm...refinement....hehe. I won't say updates, because those are something MS doesn't understand or use.
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Crashed as in totally locked up the whole phone??
Just experienced this about 3 mins ago...
I'm slowly getting used to this version of ie but it doesn't even compare to opera 9.7 on wm6.5
Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Well, there is an app in the marketplace, called "Opera Link" which features access to your speed-dial, bookmarks and notes. When you press one of those, the link will be opened in IE.
Sincerly,
DeathLamp
PS: I think I read somewhere, that Opera had Closed Betas for Opera Mobile for WP7 when there were no WP7-Phones and just the emulator but as mentioned, I have no source for that.
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Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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that's becouse the HD2 drivers aren't good. (known problem)
got my Omnia 7 yesterday and its a lot smoother then my HD2 WP7.
only downside is there is no file browser (touchXplorer doesn't work on non-htc)
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Crashed as in totally locked up the whole phone??
Just experienced this about 3 mins ago...
I'm slowly getting used to this version of ie but it doesn't even compare to opera 9.7 on wm6.5
Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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It kind of did screw up the whole system. From what I can remember I could only get out of IE by using the Windows button and could barely do much else except be on the main screen. I haven't experience it since. And, by the way, this freeze-up occurred while browsing XDA...lol
WP7 pinch to zoom is second to none. It is the actual absolute best thing about WP7. It is so perfectly precise and immediately responsive. If you aren't getting that on your HD2 WP7 experience, I encourage you to go check out an HD7 and see. The PtZ is one thing that floored me when I first got my HD7.
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It kind of did screw up the whole system. From what I can remember I could only get out of IE by using the Windows button and could barely do much else except be on the main screen. I haven't experience it since. And, by the way, this freeze-up occurred while browsing XDA...lol
WP7 pinch to zoom is second to none. It is the actual absolute best thing about WP7. It is so perfectly precise and immediately responsive. If you aren't getting that on your HD2 WP7 experience, I encourage you to go check out an HD7 and see. The PtZ is one thing that floored me when I first got my HD7.
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haha yeah it was xda that screwed me too...
As for the multitouch, looks like I'm gonna have to stop by the t mobile store for some native pinch to zoom action...
conantroutman said:
haha yeah it was xda that screwed me too...
As for the multitouch, looks like I'm gonna have to stop by the t mobile store for some native pinch to zoom action...
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Pinch to zoom is actually almost perfect on WP7, no complaints on this field.
Agreed. PtZ is great on WP7. You can even PtZ and move around the webpage/photo/document at the same time which gives you superb precision.
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i tried to sign up deepfish but it has expired i have the cab someone posted but no reg key so.
is there any other browser that is similar to deepfish available for wm6
Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
The beta version of Mini Opera has a very good page overview feature, which is a good step forward.
Browse to mini.opera.com on your phone or go to http://www.operamini.com/beta/
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
The new Opera Mini beta does an ok job, but still being a beta, it is rather buggy.
I think the key issue here is WTF happened to deep fish? Microsoft pushed it aside and to the bottom of it's list like it does with ALL Windows Mobile stuff. Such a shame MS doesn't care more about the mobile market.
Deepfish wasn't anywhere close to release, it was a development "sneak-peak". I'm sure they're still working on it. As for Picsel, it was a great browser for it's time. Don't know why you think it was poorly implemented. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of what we require in a browser nowadays, but neither did any of the others when it came out. And as for Opera Mini, it only has overview and zoomed in modes, nothing in between, which makes it just as useless as all the current ones in my opinion. Still waiting for Opera Mobile 9 to come out.
I assure you, they have had how many months to make it work? And they haven't done anything with it...
Face it, MS doesn't care a bit about the mobile market, we will never see any real effort from MS. I'm pretty convinced they have 2 guys there that are their mobile development team, lol
I tried DeepFish months ago and it had some promise. But, MS would drag their feet on fixing the reported bugs. Also, the beta would not allow cookies even though this had been a priority request of the community. I dropped it due to lack of MS support.
GldRush98 said:
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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I totally disagree. Picsel browser is a fantastic piece of software and one of the first things I install after a ROM update. Not only does it to a bang-up job for daily browsing, but it is my default viewer for all documents, especially PDF and graphic files.
OP, seriously, give it a try and see for yourself... ESPECIALLY for docs.
GldRush98 said:
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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The problem is it is a poor implementation , the software itself is amazing !
I've used this softawre in my E680i , no doubt , it is excellent when view M$ office document and PDF file .
So the problem should be Picsel never intend to release a general version of it's software , only for specific device ...
Ummm ... I wonder what it will looks like if a Hermes version is available .
Hmm... I don't get what the problem with Picsel is?! I never experienced any problems... No crashes, no memory errors. And I use it regularly especially for web-browsing...
i googled for Picsel browser but couldnt find any download links!?
mkmonkey: we hacked out the Picsel browser from a Samsung rom some time back, and there were any device compatible versions released. However, due to copyright reasons we were asked not to distribute it. I'm sure you'll be able to track it down though.
If you do find a copy on the board, please notify me so I or the other mods can delete it.
However, IMHO, I like it very much. There are other browsers, probably Opera or NetFront, that work more "robustly", but Picsel works nicely, and makes a good light doc viewer and pdf viewer as well, so all in, it's a good compromise. I used it for several months and it made my mobile browsing experience (on the Universal, VGA, with some hacks to make it a good deal sexier) significantly more enjoyable then Pocket Internet Explorer.
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hmm ask not to distribute huh?
well, mabye u could send me a PM with a "hidden" link, when picsel isnt watching .
edit: nvm, found it.
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection. On a XV6700, you have to open a connection first (by send/receive email or opening PIE) before launching Picsel. This is a pain to do every time. For this reason, I use it only when I need to view documents close up. Also does not seem to work with flash. Why WM devices still ship with such a crappy browser is beyond me when there are so many better alternatives, but with spotty flash support.
My biggest problem with Picsel was that when you scrolled, it did not render on the fly. You had to stop for it to display the new section of the page. Anyone have a version that did it properlY?
@obentou:
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection.
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I posted a workaround for that problem, maybe you're interested:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=277812&page=7
In that thread you find a small helper-program which you can bind to a key on your device to manually establish an internet-connection without having to start PIE.
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Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
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I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.
taguapire said:
I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Uhm, what did that have to do with the sentence you quoted?
How do i use a proxy connection with the Picsel browser?
As far as I know Picsel does not support a proxy... Which is bad because most WAP flatrates depend on proxies... :-/
Anyone got any ideas?
The iPhone Facebook app. is quick, slick, easy to use.
The one we've got is slow, jumpy, and just not as good in general!
You'd think by now SOMEBODY would have created atleast a mimic.
I got nothing to add except to say, yeah our app is crud.
I don't disagree that the Microsoft developed facebook app is behind the others. That said Opera loads facebook just fine, and it's the full site.
Then again I'll never understand the point of having dozens of apps that accomplish the same thing as loading up the already installed web browser and a bookmark.
I use the mobile Facebook pages at m.facebook.com via Opera 10, you can even choose between regular mobile and touch interface. It works for me!
Probably because the rest of the world buys into the hype put out by Apple.
It's like John Dillinger said when asked why he robbed banks...Because that is where the money is. Right or wrong, there are a TON of iPhones out there, and developers spend their time where "the money is".
I didn't buy into the iphone, simply because I've grown up with the WindowsCE
platform since the Dell Axim X5 days, so it was a natural transition to the Windows Moble/phone platform. That, and I want to customize the interface and functions the way I WANT TO, not how Steve Jobs says.
ditto man, I feel about the same.
mhurg said:
I use the mobile Facebook pages at m.facebook.com via Opera 10, you can even choose between regular mobile and touch interface. It works for me!
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How do you switch to touch interface?
luke6283 said:
How do you switch to touch interface?
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Scroll to the bottom of the page and click "Touch Site", or just go to touch.facebook.com
Toleraen said:
I don't disagree that the Microsoft developed facebook app is behind the others. That said Opera loads facebook just fine, and it's the full site.
Then again I'll never understand the point of having dozens of apps that accomplish the same thing as loading up the already installed web browser and a bookmark.
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ditto, m.facebook.com is even better than iphone app IMO
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Probably because the rest of the world buys into the hype put out by Apple.
It's like John Dillinger said when asked why he robbed banks...Because that is where the money is. Right or wrong, there are a TON of iPhones out there, and developers spend their time where "the money is".
I didn't buy into the iphone, simply because I've grown up with the WindowsCE
platform since the Dell Axim X5 days, so it was a natural transition to the Windows Moble/phone platform. That, and I want to customize the interface and functions the way I WANT TO, not how Steve Jobs says.
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Anyone got any ideas?
The iPhone Facebook app. is quick, slick, easy to use.
The one we've got is slow, jumpy, and just not as good in general!
You'd think by now SOMEBODY would have created atleast a mimic.
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I can tell you this, the app for WM phones is way awesome. It has the same functionality as the iPhone app and the online browsers too. I think it runs smooth, updates quickly, and isn't loaded down with settings. Most of those settings for the other pages is just a bit of overkill. It's always true that the simpler the plan, the better the plan. You can always add to something if you need just a simple extra. You'll just have to write xml codes, if you don't know how and ur a bright person, you can probably figure out how to change those codes to add what you want or remove what you don't want, in a matter of days.
Plus, knowledge is power, I started out in this group just downloading and installing cabs. Now I write my own and have written weather apps alongside NRG that apparently have been stolen by HTC and WM6.xxx. The nifty weather on your screen that's flashy and self updating with a forecast and pretty icons for the weather conditions was 1st integrated by NRG, then Showaco and I kicked it up a knotch and finally duked it out with NRG only to realize that we were both making the same app, everyone and their brother jumped on the bandwagon so much that Microsoft and HTC "took" the ideas and integrated it into their ROM's. No worries, though, that's what this process is all about, learning how to create what is not already available
So, my advice in closing is to spend some time learning how to read xml, and then changing small bits, running the app, and seeing if it loads and does what you want, then slowly bit by bit, you will have an app that is PERFECT for your needs. It my seem impossible at 1st, but where there is a will there is a way, plus, hell you might end up writing something people will pay for or maybe HTC or Microsoft might offer u money for. Give it a shot.
daniel_lfc said:
Anyone got any ideas?
The iPhone Facebook app. is quick, slick, easy to use.
The one we've got is slow, jumpy, and just not as good in general!
You'd think by now SOMEBODY would have created atleast a mimic.
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If it's not an iPhone, it doesn't exist.....
Well, that's the impression you'd get from all the companies that advertise on the TV,
"There's an app for that" - *&%%$%$£$$$T23312£"%!!!!!!!!!!
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Scroll to the bottom of the page and click "Touch Site", or just go to touch.facebook.com
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Or that yeah, thanks for pointing it out
I agree the app is rubbish, it's main problem is the speed. It spends way too long doing tasks that don't require much data transfer, and dosen't have a progress bar of any kind to explain it's slowness.
I don't like using opera because you have to log in every time and it has no integration with the rest of the system. Not to mention lack of fb chat. I'm not an iphone fanboy (TP2 ) but the iphone facebook is way better.
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
MS listens to their customers DDDD
What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
I don't feel the need for any of those.
Internet Explorer is superb and the office applications are better than any i've used on other platforms.
doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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Never.
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Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP
doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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The whole point of putting out a quality product from the get-go was to eliminate the need for all of this excess garbage. I replaced that crap on Android because the default stuff was garbage. This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
Also third party browsers can very well created but no one has put forth the time to build a new rendering engine solely for WP7.
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I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP
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Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.
The OP is right.
Even if "IE9 is the best" (and there is no such thing) people love options. I am having a hard time giving up Android fully because there is no real cross platform chat option in WP7. No whatsapp. No Skype. These programs have millions of users. The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7. I used that all the time on my HTC Touch WinMo phone.
The NoDo update is so trivial in my mind. The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
Then I will be happy....er.
nicksti said:
The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
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more APIs... word around is MIX 2011 will introduce devs to more WP APIs (hopefully sockets is one of them)
and multi tasking is the mango update coming fall 2011 (septemberish?)
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The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7.
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They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.
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Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.
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oh okay my bad. I don't know all of that detailed stuff lol
Well WP7 has only one browser and few skins. Rendering is identical with all the good and bad consequences.
I am not asking you guys to need other options but it is sick that it's the only platform which still has no options. I like IE very much but I miss Opera Mini server rendering for fast browsing in worse coverage area. And I have few pages IE misses big time. No flash etc.
As for the Office, other platforms have DocsToGo which kills Office with one finger.
And now Softmaker will make Office for Android...
The Word implementation on WP7 is my huge disappointment. Almost featureless app.
It's the first time for 4 years I have to use PC to make basic editing like font style changing or inserting a tablet.
The same with email. The MS email client is so nice but at the same time is a pain. Not able to delete quoted message? Bummer. And very very often I don't see the pictures loaded or even worse, attachements don't show up so Ihave to open my email in the browser.
z33dev33l said:
This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
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No. It sounds like a person who likes to have a choice, especially compared to other platforms. And have had it previously.
WP7 is very far from perfectly functional device. We don't live in a camp where is only one truth for all. Accept the diversity.
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They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.
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I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?
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Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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That isn't a restriction, its an API that hasn't been implemented yet. There is no policy that limits people to Http Request and there is no switch they can flick to quickly enable it, outside of giving people access to the native APIs.
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Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.
PG2G said:
Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.
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Really?
Read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/surfy-alternate-ie-shell-for-wp7-having-a-hard-time-getting-to-market/
This was just about the new broswer UI..
nicksti said:
I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?
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Yeah, Li'Messenger was removed a day or two after release. No official confirmation as to why, but I'm guessing because it accessed the Live servers directly thru unsupported APIs. Rumors have it they are bringing out a new version adhering to the Live EULA though.
Messenger by Miyowa had an update just a couple days ago which made it a lot more stable. It's still a very basic app though and I definitely wouldn't suggest you run out and get a new WP7 device because of it.
TBH though, I don't think Messenger in a larger capacity will work properly on WP7 until we get a native client (apparently not going to happen) or the OS allows apps to multitask (H2 '11 - so Dec 31st ). Even with live tile or toast notifications it's too cumbersome to use for anything but quick messages due to load/login times etc.
hello guys, I'm a little dissapointed, I've just found this website to test the html5 speed of your browser and WP7 is one of the worst in html5, try it in your phones, I've tested it on my samsung focus mango RTM and it scores 141 out of 450 points
h t t p ://www.html5test.com/
ps: maybe I'm wrong but..... now I don't know
It happened to me too. Maybe it depends on the connection.
I think so too.. Look at d videos on uploading onto on fb.. Freaking fast.. I can gwf it up half its speed if im lucky..
Sent from my LG Optimus 7
ok try to go to touch.facebook.com from a wp7 , and from an iphone or android or bada phone.. html5 in wp7 mango is very bad..
try in other sites like: m.gizmodo.com ... m.engadget.com..
don't blame the browser. Blame the site. They're not recognizing it's mango and sending you to the correct site. Once mango is released many they will send to the html5 versions.
Thats because IE9 in general is not that good in HTML5. Even the desktop version just gets 141 points. That will however change in IE10.
Yes, but for IE10 will have to wait 1 year!! ....
Stock browser on my tab 211 and maxthron mobile same 211...
jaiem said:
hello guys, I'm a little dissapointed, I've just found this website to test the html5 speed of your browser and WP7 is one of the worst in html5, try it in your phones, I've tested it on my samsung focus mango RTM and it scores 141 out of 450 points
h t t p ://www.html5test.com/
ps: maybe I'm wrong but..... now I don't know
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You are wrong. Its not a speed test.
Dude, this seems like a biased site to me. It's not possible that every single phone on every single connection, doing any number of background tasks like music, email, etc. scores a 141, It's like it recognizes it as IE and scores it as 141 no matter what. This is not a speed test.
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Dude, this seems like a biased site to me. It's not possible that every single phone on every single connection, doing any number of background tasks like music, email, etc. scores a 141, It's like it recognizes it as IE and scores it as 141 no matter what. This is not a speed test.
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141 for both Mobile and Pc browser?
Just confirmed, pretty hard to believe though.
Creamy
Why do you guys judge the performance of a browser upon some random value spit out by a website rather than using the browser and seeing for yourself? I for one can claim that both IE9 for desktop (I still like Opera better though) as well as IE9 mobile are pretty fast.
It's not hard to believe. IE9 mobile uses the same rendering engine called Trident like the desktop version. Why should it be different? Even the Acid3 test scores 95/100 on both versions.
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141 for both Mobile and Pc browser?
Just confirmed, pretty hard to believe though.
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The test tests how well it complies to "standards", not how fast it is. Firefox renders the page instantly, while it takes Chrome 2-3 seconds and it still gets a higher score.
Something that is worth to remember when it comes when it comes to HTML5 and CSS3 is that it first of all isn't complete standards some of the points in that test might in fact only be suggested but not at all accepted to be a part of the HTML5 standard (yet).
There is also a lot of strong biasing towards the Webkit engine. It probably has something to do with Google pushing it and everyone knows that Google is the good guy, right? (rolleyes).. A very good example of this is http://i.reddit.com/. If you do some research on the CSS you will quickly note that it isn't written according to the W3 standard, but what I assume are something more like Googles standard.
Conslusion: Google is the new Microsoft when it comes to making up web standards.
www.html5test.com is not based on standards. MS has said that they will support HTML5 standards as they get finalized. Also, IE scores 95/100 on acid 3 because the other 5% is not yet standardized.
Consider a scenario where MS introduces support for a non-standard feature. Corporations and IT guys develop internal applications which use this feature. However, HTML5 standards group adopts a different version of the feature so MS has to change it. The IT guys mentioned above will have a nightmares.
Many internal apps developed and used within coporations depend on IE and Trident Engine.
Although Chrome scores high, in the past they have often abandoned fetures to adopt different standrds.
For long term benefits, we need proper HTML5 standard support and not get distracted by cool experimental features. IE9 is a very good browser. Don't let the numbers confuse you.
there are a lot of html5 websites that dont work on the mobile IE unfortunately, like he said touch.facebook.com does not work, also vimeo.com does not work as well as a few others. Its not as good as I expected it to be, and not that usefull as of now.
All we can hope for is that WP7 will be a recognised platform and companies will also test their mobile websites to work with WP7. If this happens it will be very usefull to have html5 support. Until that day Im happy the general rendering is improved and most sites render correctly now.
It seems as though touch.facebook.com is working just fine for me. It's not giving me the mobile version. The touch version automatically continues loading your news feed when you reach the bottom.
My IE9 is setup to show me the Desktop version of sites if that makes a difference to any of you.
morpheuszg said:
It's not hard to believe. IE9 mobile uses the same rendering engine called Trident like the desktop version. Why should it be different? Even the Acid3 test scores 95/100 on both versions.
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Because IE9 is hardware accelerated on HTML5... so unless the phone and pc have identical hardware, the score will be different.
Nor ACID tests, nor HTML5 tests are based ON SPEED but on FEATURES SUPPORT. Sir. Haxalot is right.
Desktop PC and IE9 on mango will score the same score, since they are THE SAME CORE.
Marvin_S said:
there are a lot of html5 websites that dont work on the mobile IE unfortunately, like he said touch.facebook.com does not work, also vimeo.com does not work as well as a few others. Its not as good as I expected it to be, and not that usefull as of now.
All we can hope for is that WP7 will be a recognised platform and companies will also test their mobile websites to work with WP7. If this happens it will be very usefull to have html5 support. Until that day Im happy the general rendering is improved and most sites render correctly now.
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As for vimeo, just use the button "View in couch-mode" on top right corner in each video. Then it works. A bit inconvinient but a good workaround.
Anyone else give this a try? Design is one of the worst I've ever seen but tab swiping is smooth as silk.
Attach the xap if you have it, i'm curious
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Attach the xap if you have it, i'm curious
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e76acaa3-759f-4e37-81e5-f43dea7a8e26
It's in the Marketplace.
bmstrong said:
It's in the Marketplace.
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it's good for being in early stages.
How do they get away with calling this 'Chromium'? Don't think Google would be too happy.
CrownSeven said:
How do they get away with calling this 'Chromium'? Don't think Google would be too happy.
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Agree, it's really stupid or just a kind of "puffery". It's WebBrowser class (Pocket IE wrapper) based and far away from the real Chromium engine.
it's a good work
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e76acaa3-759f-4e37-81e5-f43dea7a8e26
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For i don't know what reason i couldn't find it from the phone, only when i searched the market form the desktop. But yeah, it works now.
First thing. The design is really poor, the page view area is small, the loading is pretty slow. But the worst thing is the keyboard that opens above some option buttons. If you type fast and without looking at the keyboard, you might push the buttons below instead of space. I know i did.
Second thing. I hate the name. It has nothing to do with Chromium.
Third thing. The swipe to switch tabs is interesting, but the way the tabs are displayed eats too much screen real estate.
Fourth thing. This are just my opinions.
good app for the development stage
please attache xap file here.
Xap
Here is the XAP file - this is the latest build, I have not updated the marketplace version yet.
Still curious - why did you call your app "Chromium"?
P.S. BTW, better to move this thread to Windows Phone 7 Apps and Games, ask mods.
Renamed
It has been renamed to Kromi, app id is: eea60df6-faa9-4323-af06-774259cd6825
Not sure how to find it with the app id, but searching for Kromi yields no results...
The Internet Explorer is better than "Chromium".
It´s faster and looks better.
Please make it look better
Opera Mobile is nice and for me the only alternative
I think this app is in Bazaar now.
It's now bad for a beta, can fullscreen the browser to hide the weird tab interface, and tab switching is the best I have seen on WP7.
There is no bookmark or homepage setting as of yet though, and you cannot press to open context menu (such as open in new tab) but it's still one of the best WP7 browsers around
Is this the same as the one available in bazaar?