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Hey, I am a complete and utter brain donor when it comes to this whole geek-speak rooting malarky.
Up until last week, the craziest thing I had done to my phone was changed the wallpaper and set a new ringtone from the Zedge app. I've had the phone for a good eight months or so!!
Been wanting to put a custom ROM on my phone for a while and I managed to root my desire last week and got the little Superuser App on my phone. I've been working through the Noobs guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
and I've gotten to the S-off part. And here I really come unstuck. I have attempted to go onto the alpharev website and I have no idea which out of Sense, Oxygen, Data++, Stock, etc I download.
The website itself, I dont even understand how to find out which one I am meant to download. Although, I understand that once I get the right one, its a fairly straightforward process of rejigging something on my laptop to read CDs before the hard drive, and plugging my phone in.
But anyway...is there anyone who can talk slowly and in complete base English so that I can attempt to s-off my phone? Cause I am completely useless.
Cheers!
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
True u only need it for the new gingerbread roms
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Jonnibravo said:
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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If you mean on my phone currently I am running my standard stock sense Rom that was on my phone when I got it.
The only thing its been done is rooted it with Unrevoked as per that previous link.
Will get back to you about the rest when I attempt it!
Jonnibravo said:
After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Genuinely don't have a clue about what one bit of that means.. :/
EddyOS said:
Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
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So what DO I need s-off for? And if I don't need it why is that guide tellin me to do it?
And chances are il prob want a gingerbread Rom at some point if that's the latest thing..
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
EddyOS said:
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
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True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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You can also change splash screens and flash unsigned zips through
fastboot - useful if your phone gets screwed up and won't boot to rom or recovery!
I'm in agreement though, I did s-off a few weeks after root.
UberNoobster said:
And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
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the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
monkeon said:
the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
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Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
I've burnt it to the USB but I don't know if its done properly, there's an ALPHA zip file and some other stuff on my USB stick now so how will I know if its right n good to plug my phone in and s-off betc etc?
Btw thanks to all of you for your patience!!
UberNoobster said:
Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
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Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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monkeon said:
Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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I downloaded a ISO file and burnt it to USB stick as per the tutorial earlier. What I've now got is am ALPHA file and a couple other files here n there so is that it good to s-off?
Haven't decided on a ROM yet, not looked properly as I thought I could s-off first then pick my ROM whenever I got round to it as the phone would still work normally though it s-offed.
Why don't you listen to more experienced members like EddyOS and just leave it well alone for the time being. Root is more than enough to try different roms and customization/modding.
It is easy to do it once you know what you are doing. BUT, if i was you, i'd just wait a bit till you get more confident with all the custom stuff.
Again, s-off is not a MUST!
What you are asking here is near enough step by step guide of how to do it, which is a clear indicator that you are not ready to do it.
erklat said:
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
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Because, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, as you didn't mention something. He obviously couldn't sue you for that, but who needs the blame they don't deserve?
UberNoobster, i'm not saying that you are going to blame anyone if something goes wrong, but to me, if person recommends something, he is vouching for it hence takes responsibility.
I've had my phone rooted for like 8 months and I have yet to S-Off my device.
I really wouldn't recommend it for you if you have no idea what you are doing. Root is a good place to begin and right now you have the ability to customize your phone in many many ways.
Try out a new rom (may I suggest leedroid as a place to start.) Once you have a solid knowledge of the basics, then, and only then, should you make the choice if you should S-off.
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Ok thanks guys, and thank tinky and shaboola.
I see what you guys are saying, only reason I was gonna try to s-off was to get it done and dusted and out the road. But maybe I should leave it..
Do I still need to partition my SD card and take a nandroid back up and all that jazz when putting on a custom Rom, or do I need s-off for those things?
Cheers
Hello, I am a noob, i dont want to be a noob, but i am one anyway, so be kind and answer my noob questions
( and yes i did tried to find the answers and no i didn't find them.. )
1. after rooting with unrevoked - ( default sttings - no touching )
what ROM whould i have?
the same Stock HTC Sense Froyo - Android 2.2 + ROOT (superuser, busybox..)
or a Stock Android 2.2 rom?
1.1 and could i install apps2sd+ on that rooted system?
1.2 or i would be without any rom, and i would need to install one from the SD from Recovery ( the default one after enrevoked - Clockwork )
( i'm planning on this one)
1.3. if i do have some rom installed after unrevooked: what do i get from that Rom i wish to download from XDA that i dont get in the Rom after enrevoked?
anywhere i look for the anser to that i cant find a difinative answer for that..
2. what is the recommended methon to create an ext3/4 partition and what is the max or recommended partition size for Desire (i have 16GB low-class sandisk SD, but i dont mind waitng)
well the answers ARE out there (yes they are) but here you go again:
1.1) after gaining root with unrevoked you will simply have a stock HTC rom with root access (and a custom recovery - clockworkmod)
1.2) you cannot apply A2SD+ to this ROM you will have right after rooting, what you can do is to download a pre-rooted Stock ROM (same as one you have now) with A2SD+ implemented. however it would be stupid, custom roms are faster, better in performance and in battery life so go for them)
1.3) i guess the answer is the same as for the 1.2nd Q
2) best method is to use Gparted Live CD (it is a bootable CD) download it and burn to a CD then boot it up @ pc. mount USB storage in recovery on the phone, plug it in PC and format your sd.
for a2sd+ FAT32 and after a 1GB EXT3/4 (ext4 is better, dont use more than 1GB it may cause trouble, and 1GB is looots of space)
for data2ext or other there should be a recommended partition layout that will make them work as good as they can in your ROM's thread.
also as you are a new user i do recommend going S-OFF (is as easy as rooting, seriously - CD method) then appling a custom hboot and running an InsertCoin ROM CM7 - with custom hboot it will be super fast and you will get lots of space.
when doing S-OFF remember to be either on stock rooted rom or on oxygen rom.
Thanks for the answer, for now i'm planning on the Stock pre-rooted one with a2sd+.
that's because i'm looking for a rom with:
1. Sense ( Froyo sense since the GingerB sensation sense needs S-OFF..)
2. a2sd+ ( Max optimal size for the partition )
2. Minimal add-on apps on the Rom.
3. Minimal removed apps ( maybe with ability to manualy remove a system app but i dont know if that again requires S-OFF )
4. maybe a gingerbread style shutdown\wakeup ( CRT Style ) animation?
i allready searched the pinned topics for a Rom like that and all i found is the pre-rooted stock..
i dont want to be deviating from the Stock sense with too many changes, and on the other hand i do want to be able to make some changes to the rom.
the rom i currently wish to use has Undervolt -100mv and it says it's for support with the kernel of the RUU, but if it's a pre rooted why isnt it allready supporing the RUU..?
and in that Rom's page there is a recommended Radio img, but i Dont have to change to it right..? ( It's only recommended NOT required.. )
anyway my RUU+Radio is:
RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_159811_signed.exe
Nearly all GB ROM's will work fine with S-ON (Stock HBOOT), dunno where did you get this info.
Example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038195]
k3lcior said:
Nearly all GB ROM's will work fine with S-ON (Stock HBOOT), dunno where did you get this info.
Example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038195]
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got that info from my local android fans forum, which also didnt gave me difinative answer yet..
Then now you know - you dont need S-OFF for Gingerbread A2SD ROM's.
As for number 2.
Use g-parted to make the partitions, there is a video guide in the desire dev forums, its on of the stickys. I would post a link, but I'm not at my pc . You don't really want to go over the 1GB for the ext partition, any thing bigger starts to slow down the ROM
I had a feeling that the GB roms did need a new radio, or at least some if them do. But the ROM should tell you if that is the case.
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in both the Roms i now intresten in it says 'Recommended' Radio, and since i'm a Noob user i do not have premission to post at the dev forums and ask on the Rom's topic.
one of them is acually the radio i ahve now, but the LeeDroid one Recommends a deffrent one and again from the info i gathered from my local forum for android 2.3 with Sense i HAVE to change the radio, is that true \ false?
is Recommended = Required || OR || Recommended != Required..
<@LeeDrOiD-> matched radio is generally a good idea - iRC channel...
you never MUST change radio
it is only recommended, do it if you encounter problems with connectivity after flashing a rom (reception, wi-fi etc)
however i think you MUST have a radio from 2.2 (froyo) roms at least
if you rooted while on 2.2 you should be ok, if you were on 2.1 while rooting try updating the radio
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054435
Awesome rom ... try it Don't need s-off
Flash radio from first page also ...
3. Minimal removed apps ( maybe with ability to manualy remove a system app but i dont know if that again requires S-OFF ) - System app remover is an option
why in LeeDroid's rom and and the last submitted rom, there's undervolt?
why does the Rom needs to be undervolt and how does that effect the preformance&stability of the system?
Also What is the best method for saving space ( a2sd+ \ data2whatever \ ...? )
ROMs dont need undervolting, they dont need anything...
undervolting is set up in kernel, and it means the processor will work under smaller voltage which leads to better battery life but generally it compromises stability. however they wouldnt set it to a value that would cause trouble, so this is just an info for geeks so that they know that by default the kernel provided with rom undervolts the cpu (some may not like that, as they want for example best performance - overclocking rather than undervolting)
Thanks alot guys, you really helped me!
hopefully the rooting would go as smooth as butter,
i havn't dicided on a rom yet, since all the ones you sent in this thread are looking great!
Just try all of them and decide yourself.
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I also wouldn't recommend that you do the S-Off until you've played with rom's and decided that you really must try a CM7 hboot rom or something. There's plenty can be done with S-On and it gives a degree of safety against bricking the phone. I speak from experience. I did however recover mine in the end after much learning but I really wouldn't go S-Off unless / until you understand the dangers associated with it and the somewhat limited benefits to those who know little of Linux or the Android OS.
Since I got my HTC wildfire late last year I've been following these forums and reading up on android terminology. Thanks to all those who warned me not to update my phone, I was so close to doing so however I believe that these can be rooted now. I've finally got annoyed with the shortage of memory on eclair and now that I have a bit more time over the summer I want to root it and so I have a few questions.
1) I know that to "unroot" I need to use an RUU. Looking on shipped roms, I can't see a vodafone uk eclair RUU, so which one would I use?
2) After creating a gold card, will you be able to use the sd card as normal (ie to store music, videos, photos, apps etc)
3) Looking around, there are many different recoveries in the development forum, I know that unevoked already comes with a recovery but should I use that one or another?
4) Has the switched off chargeing problem been fixed in clockwork recovery?
5) After rooting, I plan to install CM7. Does everything thing work properly in CM? (I ask this because a while back (before CM7) I read that that camara didn't work as well as stock and that the FM radio didn't work at all)
6) I know that there is official froyo apps 2 sd but I've seen other unofficial ones around. What are the differences between all of these and which one should I use?
7) I know that CM7 is a non-sense rom, I don't think I'll miss much of sense except the clock/weather widget. Is there anything available that is exactly like the htc clock/weather widget?
8) I know there are different radios around, will I need to update mine?
Thanks
1) maybe, depends on the method of rooting
2)yes you will be able to, the gold card only changed the hexcode inbiult, so you should be able to store things on the sd card
3)clockmod is the way to go for me, i had a htc desire and it worked brilliant for me.
4)if you dont want to use that version of clock mod you can also use a previous version which will do the same thing.
5)and when you install and download CM7, make sure you download the specific version form the websute for your device.
6)it doesnt really mater, its just moving the apps to the sd card form the phone, this is done by rooting it and gaining root acess.
7)an widget app similar to that is beautiful widgets ( i think you need to pay fro it but get it form 4shared or somewhere else) but they have most htc widgets, and MAYBE there might be ports in the future or have been done already.
8)it is recomended to upgrade your radio when you do your first root.
all information and downloads should be able to be downloaded i nthe index page of the forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029318
and ALL custom roms made my people are here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822181
technolust109 said:
1) maybe, depends on the method of rooting
2)yes you will be able to, the gold card only changed the hexcode inbiult, so you should be able to store things on the sd card
3)clockmod is the way to go for me, i had a htc desire and it worked brilliant for me.
4)if you dont want to use that version of clock mod you can also use a previous version which will do the same thing.
5)and when you install and download CM7, make sure you download the specific version form the websute for your device.
6)it doesnt really mater, its just moving the apps to the sd card form the phone, this is done by rooting it and gaining root acess.
7)an widget app similar to that is beautiful widgets ( i think you need to pay fro it but get it form 4shared or somewhere else) but they have most htc widgets, and MAYBE there might be ports in the future or have been done already.
8)it is recomended to upgrade your radio when you do your first root.
all information and downloads should be able to be downloaded i nthe index page of the forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029318
and ALL custom roms made my people are here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822181
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1) My method of rooting would be unevoked
4) What version of clockmod would you recommend?
8) Is updating the radio risky? and can you undo it if needed?
any answers?
Also I got one more question,
When should I create a gold card, before/after root? or after flashing a new rom?
Thanks in advance
1) You are on Eclair, in which case you can only go with Unrevoked. No other alternative, so, there are no issues there.
4) There are essentially two versions - 2.x and 3.x, and, honestly, you will want to keep both, because 2.x supports flashing of Radios and Froyo ROMs, and 3.x supports flashing Gingerbread ROMs. What you can do is when using Unrevoked, Select Custom Recovery Image, and Point it to a 3.x Recovery File. This way, your primary Recovery will be 3.x. Then, download ROM Manager from the Market, Select Install Clockworkmod Recovery from within that app, and it will install 2.x on your SDCard (Secondary Recovery). So, essentially, you have both.
8) Radio flashing is not risky per se, but, you have got to be careful and follow basics like not interrupting the process, making sure you have sufficient battery charge etc. because, mistakes here can brick your phone. You cant "undo" it but you can flash your old radio version again.
- Goldcard is only needed when flashing an RUU. If you are simply rooting using Unrevoked and installing Custom ROMs, you dont need one.
lastly, make sure you use an old version of Unrevoked, (3.14 upto 3.21), not the latest.
Thanks for your amazing post
Could I ask why an old version of unrevoked is needed?
Where can I get an old version from as when I click on wildfire on the unrevoked website it gives me v3.32
Rooted but....
hi. i just got a htc wildfire and i want to install cyanogen mod. I already rooted my phone using alpharevX and got the S-OFF message. But when i install ROM manager and tried to install CN7 i got the message " An error occured while attempting to run privileged commands". Is there something wrong or something that i missed?
S-OFF =/= rooting.
fireice7 said:
Thanks for your amazing post
Could I ask why an old version of unrevoked is needed?
Where can I get an old version from as when I click on wildfire on the unrevoked website it gives me v3.32
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The newer version actually lowers compatibility with the Wildfire, rather than raising it. You are bound to get some error or other, unless extremely lucky. (And the most common one would be "Firmware too new?" error).
Just try searching the Wildfire Forum for links. Many have uploaded 3.14, but unfortunately, the posts are all scattered somewhere.
EDIT:, NVM, You can get it here:
http://downloads.unrevoked.com/recovery/3.14/reflash_package.exe
There is also clockworkmod 4.x should I use that?
and
Which method would you recommend for flashing new roms, via rom manager or recovery?
Thanks for all your help
Yes, you can. Although I am still sticking with 3.1.0.2, because of two reasons - laziness and a few reports by users which suggest some problems with 4.x. Compatibility between 3.x and 4.x is the same though - ie. you can only install Gingerbread ROMs on them.
Also, personally, I prefer flashing ROMs through Recovery, rather than ROM Manager.
If you are S-OFF, you can stay on CWM 3 and use the PC49IMG.zip file to flash a radio. Simply put inside the android-info.txt from a RUU and the radio.img you want to flash, then reboot under HBOOT.
My Desire has been rooted using unRevoked method, and now it is running Reflex S 2.1.7, which is a good rom.
The issue is that the Desire is still S-ON. I wonder what more benefits I would get if I managed to do the S-OFF procedures.
1) S-OFF procedures changes the hboot? providing more internal space?
2) Change recovery system?
3) Root again?
4) format sdcard again?
Just a few seconds for the search:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8796987&postcount=2
among other benefits, s-off is also required for flashing splash screens too!...
StuMcBill said:
It also allows you write access to system while android is booted.
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To be more specific, this allows you to:
Remove crapware that came with your ROM (which is rare for custom ROMS but you can also replace bundled apps with their market versions to ensure you get updates as soon as they are released).
Conversely you may make a user app a system app for whatever reason.
Place custom ringtones on your internal memory so that they are not disabled when you mount the sdcard or restart.
Make init scripts (for advanced users).
And other things I have not thought of...
As per what I have understand .. . .with S-OFF.. you can use root previlage while you are fully booted... with only root and S-ON.. you need to be in fastboot .. to access system or root.. and some other things guys mentioned
Flash Hboot
Flash Radio
Flash Splash Screen .. . are the major benefits.
Why not read up on it and then asked questions based on what you don't understand?
I have a HTC Desire, (PVT4 SLCD, Erasesize 40000)
I have rooted my phone for almost 4 months. I already know a lot about flashing etc, but never researched s-off. It seems kind of risky to me, as i have the latest desire. Correct me if i'm wrong. I have a few questions.
1.Is it worth to s-off my device
2.If so why?
3.How big is the chance of bricking my phone
4.If i s-off which rom should i be on, as i saw that heavy sense 3.0 roms can make it difficult, AOSP like oxygen or just stock 2.2
Thanks in advance.
1. Yes
2. you can modify system files while booted, not just via ADB. Also you can change HBOOT partitions - so you can use the NAND memory efficiently.
3. If you follow all instructions for the procedure, then there is 1% chance of bricking it. just stick to the info/guide.
4. Some of those ROMs do have problems with s-off. I managed to S-OFF mine on insertcoin's Froyo data++ ROM (2.0.1). But literally most of the ROMs should work. I'd go with something lighter with - e.g. CM7/MIUI/Redux/GV/Oxygen
I'm going to try it today, i think..
Wish me luck
TopGear63z said:
I have a HTC Desire, (PVT4 SLCD, Erasesize 40000)
I have rooted my phone for almost 4 months. I already know a lot about flashing etc, but never researched s-off. It seems kind of risky to me, as i have the latest desire. Correct me if i'm wrong. I have a few questions.
1.Is it worth to s-off my device
2.If so why?
3.How big is the chance of bricking my phone
4.If i s-off which rom should i be on, as i saw that heavy sense 3.0 roms can make it difficult, AOSP like oxygen or just stock 2.2
Thanks in advance.
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re 4.
after you're done with S-OFF you can run your favourite ROM again, it is just that while you're doing this, you need a "simple ROM". what I did:
* nandroid backup (so you keep your favorite ROM, settings etc)
* flash pre-rooted stock ROM
* S-OFF your device
* nandroid restore (restore the backup you made before).
hope this helps.
With revolutionary one will get rooted and s-off in step.
Swyped from Oxygen with Transparent XDA App
You can follow this guide at http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/index.php/HTC_Desire for S-OFFing with Revolutionary. It's better detailed than Revolutionary's own wiki.
You may not have to do the Installing Superuser and su step if you're rooted already, mine stayed rooted when I S-OFF'd today.
Big advantage of S-OFFing is I could start using the Oxygen r2 HBOOT from Alpharev.nl site, making the system partition drastically smaller (250mb is wasted space for custom roms that aren't bloated Sense) that way I could use more of /Data for apps. It's apparently better for battery life not having apps load off the sdcard with the various apps2sd and dalvik2sd workarounds when using an sd-ext partition.
I did need to move fastboot.exe to the folder adb.exe is in in order to flash a new partition image (instructions on alpharev.nl; scroll down to "modified partition tables") as I got an error about AdbWinApi.dll being missing. They've changed things around in the Android SDK installer so adb.exe needs an additional download via SDK Manager.
p.s. Also I restored my backup of Sense before S-OFFing, just to be on the safe side, Alpharev.nl recommended this but the other guides made no mention of it. It was probably best as my current ROM, Oxygen, has apps2sd implemented and apparently this can interfere with the flashing process.
Another thing, i don't have time this week because of a wedding, but is it crucial to make a nandroid as i can't restore one(amonra 2.0.0), i'll try revolutionary when i do it.