Seems to haven't been posted before. According to this article on wmpoweruser.com the chevron team is planning to release their official unlocking tool for 9$. I consider this very good news.
Reasonable price.
Quite reasonable.
I'm surprised that anyone would have expected it to be more.
The only thing that surprises me is that Microsoft didn't come up with this option in the first place. It seems to me that it could only lead to more developers ultimately signing up for a full license, to gain access to the marketplace.
RoboDad said:
I'm surprised that anyone would have expected it to be more.
The only thing that surprises me is that Microsoft didn't come up with this option in the first place. It seems to me that it could only lead to more developers ultimately signing up for a full license, to gain access to the marketplace.
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I for one expected it to be somewhere between 10 and 20 dollars. So I'm quite surprised. I was even willing to spend up to 50$, which still seems reasonable for me as a developer who doesn't want (or doesn't have the possibility) to publish his apps on the marketplace in a closer future. So spending 99$ every single year just to be able to use my apps on my very own device is way less reasonable then spending 50$ once for a lifetime.
I share your surprise though, but I find it very cool from Microsoft that they approved that.
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I share your surprise though, but I find it very cool from Microsoft that they approved that.
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Yep, sometimes they just need a little nudge to do the right thing . And I really do see this as a big win for them (both in potential new developers, and in PR).
Excellent news, for us and Microsoft. Shows that they are listening! For that price theres no real point looking for unofficial unlocks. Wonder tho what restrictions/conditions there will be?
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does this in any way supercede the dev-tool unlock? Just curious since I can get mine free through dreamspark
Aleki said:
does this in any way supercede the dev-tool unlock? Just curious since I can get mine free through dreamspark
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You do not need this if you can already unlock your phone.
Aleki said:
does this in any way supercede the dev-tool unlock? Just curious since I can get mine free through dreamspark
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it is the same as a dev unlock, but doesn't allow for app submission. I don't know about the max number of sideloaded apps, but that can usually be removed.
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Wonder tho what restrictions/conditions there will be?
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Based on what we've been told, there are no restrictions or conditions. This unlock will behave exactly like an official dev unlocked phone. It will not, however, give you a dev account with Microsoft, so (as munkeyphyst pointed out) you won't be able to submit apps to the marketplace.
...do I understand correctly:
- all it is doing is to unlock WP7 NoDo?
- it has nothing to do with the FileManager which was/is also in developement?
- if I unlock and install Mango Beta, do I have to reset to NoDo to update the final version of Mango in the fall?
It's no different than what we had before.
Once Microsoft patches the OS the unlock tool will become useless until they update it after finding another way to unlock it.
All Microsoft is doing is allowing them to release they tool they already had, for a rather hefty price (not really reasonable when you can root an Android Phone for free, or Jailbreak an iPhone for free). It still comes with all the same caveats (i.e. Microsoft will not allow security exploits to sit there just cause this tool exists, they will break the tool on virtually every update and ofc there's always the risk an update can lock your phone back).
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...do I understand correctly:
- all it is doing is to unlock WP7 NoDo?
- it has nothing to do with the FileManager which was/is also in developement?
- if I unlock and install Mango Beta, do I have to reset to NoDo to update the final version of Mango in the fall?
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- yes, it is unlocking NODO and every future update, just like an official developer unlock
- nothing, technically, to do with file manager. But s developer unlocked phone is the first steps toward further unlocking/hacking
- if you install the mango beta, you will have to restore to nodo or earlier to get back in the official update que. This has been covered a bazillion times all over the WP7 forums. You can use the backup created by Zune or flash an earlier ROM
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It's no different than what we had before.
Once Microsoft patches the OS the unlock tool will become useless until they update it after finding another way to unlock it.
All Microsoft is doing is allowing them to release they tool they already had, for a rather hefty price (not really reasonable when you can root an Android Phone for free, or Jailbreak an iPhone for free). It still comes with all the same caveats (i.e. Microsoft will not allow security exploits to sit there just cause this tool exists, they will break the tool on virtually every update and ofc there's always the risk an update can lock your phone back).
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Where are you getting this from? Everything that I have read suggest that this, like the official developer unlock, will carry over regardless of software updates. That is half the point.
It obviously isn't the same tool they used before because that tool has not worked since NoDo came out.
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It's no different than what we had before.
Once Microsoft patches the OS the unlock tool will become useless until they update it after finding another way to unlock it.
All Microsoft is doing is allowing them to release they tool they already had, for a rather hefty price (not really reasonable when you can root an Android Phone for free, or Jailbreak an iPhone for free). It still comes with all the same caveats (i.e. Microsoft will not allow security exploits to sit there just cause this tool exists, they will break the tool on virtually every update and ofc there's always the risk an update can lock your phone back).
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Well it is an offical and safe way to unlock your phone, and 9$ is hardly a heftly price to pay to keep your warrenty and update without having to wait for another exploit. I doubt it's really done by using an exploit, rather just another dev unluck and they're working with MS so it prolly isn't going to break that easily.
But I do wish they would let us have more access, e.g. interop/registry, I'd still be stuck with the silly caller id bug if I hadn't fixed it myself. Even tried contacting HTC support and they were pretty damn useless.
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It's no different than what we had before.
Once Microsoft patches the OS the unlock tool will become useless until they update it after finding another way to unlock it.
All Microsoft is doing is allowing them to release they tool they already had, for a rather hefty price (not really reasonable when you can root an Android Phone for free, or Jailbreak an iPhone for free). It still comes with all the same caveats (i.e. Microsoft will not allow security exploits to sit there just cause this tool exists, they will break the tool on virtually every update and ofc there's always the risk an update can lock your phone back).
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judging by this post, I don't think you understand what the new chevron unlock is...
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someone know when this legal unlocking tool will be available ?
for the 9$ I will buy it , even if I can unlock it for free.
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Well it seems we have another broken promise here: "The truth about Windows Phone 7, software updates, and carriers’ ability to block those updates"
Hey Microsoft, where did remain the equal user experience on every WP7 device in the world? Why are you allowing every OEM/carrier to ruin (again) the whole thing? Really, WTF you're doing?
Actually, this has been discussed at length in mutliple threads.
The carriers can block OTA updates, but updates through Zune come directly from MS and are therefor unblockable - which is the way base OS updates arrive.
Wrong. They can block the WiFi/Zune updates as well. Just read the article. So for example, it's very likely that all of those, who bought a phone now (they are available only through carriers) won't get the major update at January.
There is still debate over this.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20022445-75.html
All will be reveled after the first update.
But, if the carrier can block it, can't you just unlock the phone and then install the update via Zune?
Sir. Haxalot said:
But, if the carrier can block it, can't you just unlock the phone and then install the update via Zune?
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Stick in a different sim card and then they can't block the update via Zune
Cutting through the FUD about Windows Phone updates
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/cutting-through-the-fud-about-windows-phone-updates/2596
and they can only block the update for that round, not indefinitely. if they request a block at one round, the next will include that previous update. so really if MS update it frequently, the most you'll ever be behind is the last update.
Exactly and I am hoping by then we will have custom ROMs
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Camn down mate
There will be a solution to this all. If not then there are some really good ppl out here who will have custom roms.
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I actually think this is all a giant furphy.
Currently on all aussie HTC W7 phones you can remove HTC and Carrier apps if you don't want them (I'm guessing this would be the same world wide) I have done this on my mozart a few times now. The HTC hub is (in my opinion) is crap and on my phone it is gone. Same with the telstra stuff.
While that is allowed, and given the current MS criteria of having the phones locked down the way the appear to be I doubt anyone will be able to control updates except MS themselves.
my 2 cents worth and you won't convince me otherwise.
BlueAnt1958 said:
...I doubt anyone will be able to control updates except MS themselves.
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The info comes from Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management. So if he doesn’t know how the updates would be rolled up, I can't imagine who knows
Another good article on the topic: "Has Microsoft put Windows Phone 7 updates in the hands of the carriers?"
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The info comes from Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management. So if he doesn’t know how the updates would be rolled up, I can't imagine who knows
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Belfiore knows very well but the ZDNet guy didn't properly interpret Belfiore's statement. Did you read janemanno1's post in the first page?
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So for example, it's very likely that all of those, who bought a phone now (they are available only through carriers) won't get the major update at January.
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Would love to hear the logic that led you to this conclusion.
Even if a carrier could block an update, I don't think they would do so without very good reason because it would cause a lot of negative press. If all WP7 users received, for instance, cut 'n' paste in January, but Orange blocked the update, all the fools on Orange would be incensed as their non-Orange mates taunted them mercilessly. Big no-no.
It's probably a minor concession Microsoft made to carriers and it might be there just to give them time to protest to Microsoft about, for instance, an update that includes tethering or VOIP.
I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist over it if I were you. Just buy an unlocked phone and switch carriers if they block an update you want. If you lock yourself into a two year contract then I'm afraid you'll just have to suck it up.
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Did any one received an update for WP7???
It's end of January already!!!!
Let me know.
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Did any one received an update for WP7???
It's end of January already!!!!
Let me know.
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No one has received one yet, because it hasn't been released yet. In fact, Microsoft never confirmed an update was coming in January. The closest they got was having the web page for the patch have "january-update" in the URL, which they soon changed. Apparently the page itself said "January Update" but I don't recall ever seeing that, and even if they did, it has since been replaced. It's still coming.
Here's the source, finally a word from Microsoft:
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2011/09/21/where-s-mango-an-update-on-timing.aspx
question....what abt those of us running RTM?
should we restore to nodo?
and do we get the firmware updates too if there is no need to restore back to nodo?
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question....what abt those of us running RTM?
should we restore to nodo?
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If you are running the Beta it will definitly be impossible to upgrade from the Beta to the final, carrier and OEM approved version of Mango.
Most likely this will be the case for the leaked RTM as well but you never know. If you have to roll back to NoDo you will lose every Text and save games etc. created after you left NoDo, so downgrading to NoDo now will at least allow you to keep those after downgrading to NoDo.
However, if it turns out that you can upgrade from the leaked RTM to the final thing, then you won't lose anything and you might wanna take the risk and wait for the rollout to begin.
Awesome news
Just saw the post on twitter, and I must say that I'm pretty exited!
I'm actually gonna wipe my phone before the update. Some may wonder why, and it's simple: My region thingy won't work in Norway before Mango, HAH!
The wait is almost over y'all!
Mango in 1 or 2 weeks and battlefield 3 beta next week. Things are looking good.
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Mango in 1 or 2 weeks and battlefield 3 beta next week. Things are looking good.
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Yeah and an iPhone 5 announcement in about 2 weeks. Great timing MS, the apple rumors and excitement are just starting to draw attention from everything else.
Well look at this. THIS is exactly what they should be doing (albeit weeks ago, but still). Fantastic.
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Well look at this. THIS is exactly what they should be doing (albeit weeks ago, but still). Fantastic.
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Weeks ago the plan was still to release on September 15th (if you can trust the leaked stuff).
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Yeah and an iPhone 5 announcement in about 2 weeks. Great timing MS, the apple rumors and excitement are just starting to draw attention from everything else.
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Apples fanfare will make mango a near silent memory... poor timing microsoft, very poor indeed.
Also, verizon is lighting up quite a few around the same time... maybe the LTE iphone is possible after all .?
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If you are running the Beta it will definitly be impossible to upgrade from the Beta to the final, carrier and OEM approved version of Mango.
Most likely this will be the case for the leaked RTM as well but you never know. If you have to roll back to NoDo you will lose every Text and save games etc. created after you left NoDo, so downgrading to NoDo now will at least allow you to keep those after downgrading to NoDo.
However, if it turns out that you can upgrade from the leaked RTM to the final thing, then you won't lose anything and you might wanna take the risk and wait for the rollout to begin.
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i updated to mango a little over 24 hours ago, so damage is little tbh
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garymoncrieff
@John, I just asked on Twitter and upgrade instructions for those of us running beta will be released when they have them.
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this was in the comments section, so we may have hope
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i updated to mango a little over 24 hours ago, so damage is little tbh
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Well than I would downgrade to NoDo using the backup if you can live without Mango for another week or two.
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this was in the comments section, so we may have hope
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Yeah I read that as well but the instructions might just be "downgrade to NoDo using your backup" etc. Time will tell and fortunately it's not that far away.
The only reason they made the announcement is because we now know when Apple will reveal the next iPhone which basically means no living sould will give a damn about Mango. Way to go Microsoft, good luck with that!
I'll believe when I see it. Until then, it's all rumor and speculation.
There should have been a disclaimer that "unless you're on the AT&T network, then you'll need to wait until December or January since Mango is complex and needs to be tested before release."
Can anyone tell me why carriers have anything to do with updates at all? Carriers simply provide the infrastructure for a phone to work. What have they got to do with anything? It's something I have never understood. My ISP isn't testing my Windows 7 updates before I install them, why would they do so on my phone?
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Can anyone tell me why carriers have anything to do with updates at all? Carriers simply provide the infrastructure for a phone to work. What have they got to do with anything? It's something I have never understood. My ISP isn't testing my Windows 7 updates before I install them, why would they do so on my phone?
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Probably because the phone has a radio in it and it's different from carrier to carrier..
Merkie said:
Can anyone tell me why carriers have anything to do with updates at all? Carriers simply provide the infrastructure for a phone to work. What have they got to do with anything? It's something I have never understood. My ISP isn't testing my Windows 7 updates before I install them, why would they do so on my phone?
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It has to do with service compatibility. They make sure the phones perform properly with the various services the carriers provide. Plus, on top of that, they make sure the phone that bares their logo and name performs to their specific standards. Any malfunctioning phone can potentially give the carrier a bad rep.
I know from experience that a phone sold outright...unlocked and from the handset maker...can be buggy as hell. Whereas the exact same phone under the carriers moniker is a sweet and well functioning phone. This doesn't apply to Apple, though. Apple is in full control of any and all updates for the iPhone. But I bet the carriers who carry iPhones are allowed testing before updates are issued.
I'm glad this is more concrete than the fall. Lets see if ATT keeps to their words and updates my damn phone in a week or two.
Not even fall yet and an official announcement. Good job.
http://www.wpcentral.com/chevronwp7-labs-unlocker-only-few-weeks-launch-new-details-released
i am so stoked for this
Soon from now... but waaaaaayy too late.
I wouldn't say it's "too late" - before Mango, it was fairly easy to unlock phones.
What puzzles me is the purpose of this unlock though. It won't allow interop stuff which means that neither file explorers nor registry editors nor system tweaks will work.
So the only real use for it is piracy. Well, OK, I can imagine a dev that wants to do regular stuff with allowed API calls only and doesn't have 99 bucks, but hey, this is too much fuss over nothing.
lol, normal users pirate the app themselves and they wont pay 10 dollar for that. Devs can unlock their phones themselves, so they wont need the chevron unlock neither.
Way tooooooo slow Chevron-Team. No one is going to pay for developer unlock. Better offer some hidden interop-unlock, then you might have some chance
Well, I think this is a good move, thanks to heathcliff we can interop-unlock in mango after being unlocked. Also this benefits the users that buy 2nd gen devices (Titan, Radar) wich come with mango.
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lol, normal users pirate the app themselves and they wont pay 10 dollar for that.
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It's not easy to do on Mango, and not even possible on some devices. In new markets like Russia phones initially came with Mango and you can't even flash older ROMs on them without gold card. HSPL will brick them.
NEW CHEVRON WITH ONLY 10 sideload’ed apps ALLOWED
http://www.1800pocketpc.com/chevron...load-apps-to-windows-phone-coming-soon/20313/
So would touchexperience work on the new mango cheveron?
no (ten chars)
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no (ten chars)
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Wouldn't it be possible after heathcliff's interop unlock?
diboze said:
Devs can unlock their phones themselves, so they wont need the chevron unlock neither.
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Yeah, for $99/year.
This will save me paying $99/year now.
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This will save me paying $99/year now.
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And not be able to put your apps in the market? What a dumb "unlock"
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And not be able to put your apps in the market? What a dumb "unlock"
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Not really. If you don't want to be a developer but want to run homebrew apps and don't want to roll back your phone to go through all the effort to unlock it then this will be perfect for you.
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And not be able to put your apps in the market? What a dumb "unlock"
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An unlock should enable you to put your apps in the market? What a dumb "statement"
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This will save me paying $99/year now.
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Had to pay 125$, yay for Norwegian taxes.
Looking forward to Chevron though.
Thanks, excellent work!
Well that kinda sucks, all I wanted it for was touch experience.
I would think that once the unlock is applied a way will be found to InterOp unlock or even Full unlock. If you are saavy enough you can flash custom roms for those capabilities. I could probably do that also but I hate the idea of starting from square one and don't have that much free time on my hands. So this will do for now, better than nothing.
Hello all,
Given that Amazon has just slashed the price on what is in reality a powerful phone, what is the likelihood that we could see an unlocked bootloader (from the community) in the near future. CM would really make this phone fly.
I got the Fire Phone, as it was a $100 for me (i consider the 99$ amazon prime that comes with it, like renewing my existing one that expires on Jan 1st anyway).
As an excited developer, I actually am planning to devote time to trying to flash Custom Recoveries (or at least boot them), and getting Android Lollipop on it. Those are my 2 goals. I have no clue if I will achieve them, as this is my first strong attempt at making something custom, but I will try. I have android 5.0 and fireos sources downloaded. I will try to pull all the system level stuff on my phone from it (incase I need drivers or something), and take a stab. If I can get Lollipop stock working, I will then move to CM 12 and do that.
My goal is for 5.x support. If I can pull it off, I don't want to foray into anything less than Android 5.0.
Wish me luck.
As for bootloader unlock, I haven't checked, but it might be as simple as fastboot oem unlock. Here's to hoping.
Great to hear! Thank you for dedicating your time, I am hopping after end of this semester I will be able to join in this endeavor.
Best of luck!
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Great to hear! Thank you for dedicating your time, I am hopping after end of this semester I will be able to join in this endeavor.
Best of luck!
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Just a heads up, the bootloader is locked down pretty tight. Unlocking it will require finding and using an exploit. there is a guy on the HDX forum that found an exploit for that Tablet that would work for the Fire Phone, but he decided for legal reasons to not release it anywhere, so both devices are in limbo. Wish i knew even at which exploit to look into and I would do the rest myself.
if it is locked so tight, what is the point of giving away as open source
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As for bootloader unlock, I haven't checked, but it might be as simple as fastboot oem unlock. Here's to hoping.
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lol, you must be joking.
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lol, you must be joking.
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Umm, no, not at the time of that post. If you read the post i made after that, you would have seen that I actually checked and found out it wasn't the case. Way to jump the gun.
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Umm, no, not at the time of that post. If you read the post i made after that, you would have seen that I actually checked and found out it wasn't the case. Way to jump the gun.
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If it was as simple as a 'fastboot oem unlock' we wouldn't be here half a year later discussing this to begin with. All I'm saying, of course that wasn't going to work.
Glad you're attempting this. If I can help, please let me know. Unless people smarter than me can unlock the bootloader, you might be creating one great virtual machine that won't make it to this nice piece of hardware.
I bought this phone to learn more about the same things you plan to do. I dislike the fireos (and the glitches in the use of the side-loaded gapps) enough to return the phone, but the cheap price, dreaming of a decent OTA update in January, and folks like you working on it makes me think I'll hang on to it as a backup.
I just got a fire phone as well. Hope this forum will get more traction as Amazon release its FireOS source...
"My name is 4.1chan, I will hack this device because I am great developer. Trust me, I took a Jawa class in Kindergarten and passed."
Seriously though, can't see this happening any time soon. You need experienced people, not someone who says they can do it even though they don't even know the boot loader is locked like Ford Knox. Big talk has always led to big disappointment in my experience on xda-developers. Don't get your hopes up, the phone is basically rubbish as it is (even more with simlock), so don't just buy because it is cheap.
Agreed, I am not expecting much on the unlocking front. If it happens great, if not oh well. But I would not call this phone rubbish, it's fast cheap and runs everything I need perfectly. Sure it doesn't have that perfect Android feel, but who cares. Plus the auto scroll feature is pretty handy.
The phone's spec is great for the $200 unlocked price but NO ROM, NO BUY MAN.
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Agreed, I am not expecting much on the unlocking front. If it happens great, if not oh well. But I would not call this phone rubbish, it's fast cheap and runs everything I need perfectly. Sure it doesn't have that perfect Android feel, but who cares. Plus the auto scroll feature is pretty handy.
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Agreed! An excellent phone for $100! Can't beat that price. Runs what I need as well once you install Google framework, services and play store.
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*sigh* nevermind, I just leave this here, since THIS is a thread about the bootloader (thanks for trying, Mod. ^^)
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http://www.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hd-6-and-7-receive-bootloader-unlock-and-twrp/
Will this help us Fire Phone users?
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I already tried this and CuberHDX.py, too but it fails with Unlock Code is NOT correct
Maybe the Steps would be right, but i don´t know how to figure out the correct code for the fire phone.
Tested at Fire OS 3.5 and 4.6.1
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@ Viperise152 & Eggmän78 Sadly: No, it won't help. The unlock for the 6" and 7" is based on the HDX bootloader unlock method. This vuln. was already fixed for the FirePhone by Amazon.
Just out of curiosity. I know in most cases it isn't needed anymore but I've been on phones with locked BLs for about 3 years now so I might end up unlocking mine just to tinker around a little bit. Assuming we will be able to of course.
Right now I would say no - don't see a reason to. But I don't even know if I'll get this phone for sure I love tinkering with phones though. So on second thought If I do buy it, then I'll probably end up unlocking & rooting it at some point.
Root ofc, but who would need custom ROMs on a Pixel with 5 years of software updates?
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Root ofc, but who would need custom ROMs on a Pixel with 5 years of software updates?
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True, I haven't been able to run a custom ROM in 3 or 4 years so I'm behind the times lol. Not sure if there are still any features left in ROMs that stock doesn't have. Some folks just like the feeling of being on something custom. But yeah, I can totally see people just rooting in current times for AdAway and stuff like that.
On this topic, any idea if we'll be able to root and unlock the bootloader since it'll be the new tensor chip? I'm asking because on Samsung devices I remember being able to unlock only the Exynos and not Snapdragon, and I may be asking something silly here. Thanks!
If possible to unlock new chip, then I will root this badboy! Happy Flashing
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Root ofc, but who would need custom ROMs on a Pixel with 5 years of software updates?
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5 years of security updates, not software
This time I've said no but if there is a healthy custom scene then it will be a consideration.
The trade off will be having to see what we lose in unlocking the bootloader and rooting.
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5 years of security updates, not software
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Security updates are also software updates imo.
And Google doesn't just merge the android revisions, they still push some tweaks and fixes afaik.
I will not. I retired my 3XL this spring because I got a free Note 20 Ultra. So no root on it. The only thing I was rooting for was ad blocking and with Brave the few ads I get in apps don't bother me.
With Magisk Hide gone away I don't want to lose my banking apps and such.
FWIW I hate Sammy's software. Drives me crazy.
If the security chip somehow doesn't make it much harder, then sure I'll continue with AdAway and some free tethering. Otherwise, I've made my peace with it. Will grit my teeth and deal with these VPN ad blockers.
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I will not. I retired my 3XL this spring because I got a free Note 20 Ultra. So no root on it. The only thing I was rooting for was ad blocking and with Brave the few ads I get in apps don't bother me.
With Magisk Hide gone away I don't want to lose my banking apps and such.
FWIW I hate Sammy's software. Drives me crazy.
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I am in this same boat. I feel like I had a Google phone for years.. going from the Nexus line to Pixel and then have the 1XL, 2XL, 3XL and didn't continue to buy because they started making a mid-range device... well now they're back to making a high end phone, but I switched to the S21 Ultra.. Sammy software (One UI) I am not a fan of.. I do miss the simple and clean stock android software, but samsung/vzw has done a good job of getting me the monthly updates, the camera and phone in general is phenomenal.. will be hard to leave this phone especially with no magisk hide
TonikJDK said:
I will not. I retired my 3XL this spring because I got a free Note 20 Ultra. So no root on it. The only thing I was rooting for was ad blocking and with Brave the few ads I get in apps don't bother me.
With Magisk Hide gone away I don't want to lose my banking apps and such.
FWIW I hate Sammy's software. Drives me crazy.
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Yeah I've been running Sammy devices the last 3-4 years waiting on Google to put out something like the P6. I'm so ready to get back on the Pixel train.
batpoil said:
On this topic, any idea if we'll be able to root and unlock the bootloader since it'll be the new tensor chip? I'm asking because on Samsung devices I remember being able to unlock only the Exynos and not Snapdragon, and I may be asking something silly here. Thanks!
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If it can be unlocked/rooted, then I plan to buy. If not, I'll have to reconsider. I realize nowadays there's smaller need to flash, but it's kinda a hobby of mine and I like being able to tinker with my device
darbylonia said:
If it can be unlocked/rooted, then I plan to buy. If not, I'll have to reconsider. I realize nowadays there's smaller need to flash, but it's kinda a hobby of mine and I like being able to tinker with my device
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That's the XDA spirit!
znel52 said:
Just out of curiosity. I know in most cases it isn't needed anymore but I've been on phones with locked BLs for about 3 years now so I might end up unlocking mine just to tinker around a little bit. Assuming we will be able to of course.
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I love to tinker too! Kills the boredom.
batpoil said:
On this topic, any idea if we'll be able to root and unlock the bootloader since it'll be the new tensor chip? I'm asking because on Samsung devices I remember being able to unlock only the Exynos and not Snapdragon, and I may be asking something silly here. Thanks!
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That is one hell of a good question. Totally forgotten about the new chip!!
The only reason why I have flashed all my pixels was ad blocking. Nowadays, do you think DNS blocking like dns.adguard.com is good enough to achieve the same result or hosts based blocking is still the king?
I'm using Firefox with ublock origin, so that takes care of the websites, so there's just apps that remain.
Of course now Google is using it's own chip and it remains to be seen if it's a good thing or bad. Some people say it's a good thing, because in theory Google can now provide longer support, since drivers have always been the main issue.
Also lately Google has been making noises about upstreaming Android kernel changes with the eventual goal of just straight up using mainline kernel and modulizing the drivers. That will open possibilities way beyond rooting, more ROM variety, etc.
BL unlocked and root before opening the box.
Under no circumstances I will own a phone (or a computer, for the shake of it) that sends any data to servers of Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Amazon and the likes.
Cloud is just the marketing shiite to refer to someone else's computer.
Therefore I need root to remove all the crap, to do backups against my own computers, to have a proper firewall that blocks domains and IPs of unwanted servers, and so on.
To date,
Google has always allowed bootloader unlocking on their devices so I do hold out hope that they won't be making a change of tradition there.
They have been pushing OEMs and parts suppliers like Qualcomm to keep updated support for their products and part of that is contributing to providing source (AOSP). Further, as stated above, they are looking to eventually get on mainline Linux kernel if possible and have been going down that road for several years now.
Also let's not forget that Google makes it mandatory to release kernel sources for devices. It's just that not all OEMs comply and Google has never really enforced it for anyone else.
It's just my guess, but I think they will release all the sources and allow bootloader unlock. It would be a pretty massive change in rhetoric otherwise and massively hypocritical if they stopped now.