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Hello,
Running Cyanogen CM6 RC1 here. I've been having trouble sending long text messages, which I initially diagnosed as a problem sending MMS.Specifically whenever I tried to send a long text message (longer than 160 chars) it would just hang and say "sending" for like 5 minutes before I get a failure report. Curiously, I had no trouble sending or receiving messages with multimedia content, like images.
After some additional tinkering and web searching, I discovered that MMS was working fine. Rather, my phone is trying to send text messages between 161 and 480 characters as SMS without breaking them apart into the appropriate number of parcels. Above 460, or 3x160, the phone is converting them to MMS and it goes through just fine.
Is there a way to change the threshold before which SMS are converted to MMS? I think all the EVO owners are pretty much on the same plan which gives us unlimited media messaging, therefore there is no point in not sending any SMS over 160 chars as an MMS. Is there a way we could change the threshold to 1? I imagine this is what HTC did in their messenger that was installed with Sense.
*Temporary solution:* If anyone else out there is having this problem, but doesn't have a solution, I have a temporary one. Simply download and use the free Handcent SMS application, and in the settings (settings>send message settings>Split 160) change the value from "Don't split" to "Simple Split". This will automatically break up messages between 161-460 into 2-3 parcels of 160 chars or less.
Handcent i think has those setting parameters.
also, this is a known issue already, and has already been greatly discussed.
infamousjax said:
Handcent i think has those setting parameters.
also, this is a known issue already, and has already been greatly discussed.
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Sorry, I was typing an edit as you made the mention about handcent. However, I haven't found the setting that allows you to change the threshold--only to make the message split. Also, it will allow to turn off conversion altogether. Am I not seeing it?
Also, perhaps I'm not so savvy here, but I've been unable to find any solutions on forums or anywhere. If this issue is already very well discussed, any chance you provide me with a link please?
I have this same problem which is VERY annoying! Like you said I have not seen it discussed before either!
It's not a CM6 issue.
It's an Android issue.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2318
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drmacinyasha said:
It's not a CM6 issue.
It's an Android issue.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2318
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So it would appear then that there is no solution to this?
yeah, there is a solution. use handcent. chomp probably does it too.
btw, you may want to post your questions in the 'questions' section
timothydonohue said:
yeah, there is a solution. use handcent. chomp probably does it too.
btw, you may want to post your questions in the 'questions' section
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Ah, next time I'll use the questions section. Regarding Handcent, does this actually allow me set the threshold, or just break up longer messages into multiple SMS--I mean, does Handcent present another solution other than the one I specified in my initial post?
AFAIK, SMS length is an agreed upon standard that probably in the near future won't be changed. longer messages will be broken up into transmissable lengths of 160 chars, until a message is long enough that it is actually simpler on the network to send the whole thing as a single MMS loaf.
WHy are text messages capped at 160 Characters?
whats the reasoning behind it? is it the maximum size that can be sent via a special radio signal? ive been wondering this ever since I had my blackberry storm... many moons ago
yep, cdma limitation
Came across this in another thread:
"Transmission of the short messages between SMSC and phone can be done through different protocols such as SS7 within the standard GSM MAP framework or TCP/IP within the same standard. Messages are sent with the additional MAP operation forward_short_message, whose payload length is limited by the constraints of the signalling protocol to precisely 140 bytes (140 bytes = 140 * 8 bits = 1120 bits). In practice, this translates to either 160 7-bit characters, 140 8-bit characters, or 70 16-bit characters. Characters in languages such as Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Slavonic languages (e.g. Russian) must be encoded using the 16-bit UCS-2 character encoding (see Unicode). Routing data and other metadata is additional to the payload size."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/05/invented-text-messaging.html
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bwcorvus said:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/05/invented-text-messaging.html
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I was looking for this article a few days ago - someone at work had the same question and I knew I had read it straight from the inventor's mouth somewhere. Thanks!
thanks
yea.. i wonder if theres going to be a day when you can send more characters than just 160.. cmon.. all the technology that we have and only 160 Character Text??
Why are you writing a book and txting it..
I can barely read a sentence when I get txts, any larger than that and Im annoyed..
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upperkingjr said:
Why are you writing a book and txting it..
I can barely read a sentence when I get txts, any larger than that and Im annoyed..
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I find it less of an interruption to send SMS. Many people don't like it, especially older people. Probably because they don't understand how to use it. Email, SMS and phone call all have their place.
There are times and places that I can't answer the phone. A text is sending the information or question that can be answered sometimes at the recipient's leisure or calling them to ask one question is a waste of effort. Also, going through the trouble of calling voicemail or listening to is can be too distracting depending on where you are. SMS is great if you're in a place that you have to have the phone completely silent, yet can still communicate.
Many times people are busy and can't talk on the phone. Okay, so I just called you and you said you couldn't talk. I have to call again to leave a voicemail. I just disturbed you twice just to ask or tell you something.
Email is good too for long ones but most people check it on a computer and there's no telling when that might be. SMS goes right through.
Hello,
I realize the limit for a text message is 160 characters. I am not asking about changing that.
Currently when I get to 160 characters I just can't type anymore. I want to keep typing. I realize the phone will break the text and send as many messages as needed. I just don't want to have to stop and then submit another text message.
I think this is only happening on the Arrive phones if I am not mistaken. Does anyone know how to change that?
Nimdock said:
Hello,
I realize the limit for a text message is 160 characters. I am not asking about changing that.
Currently when I get to 160 characters I just can't type anymore. I want to keep typing. I realize the phone will break the text and send as many messages as needed. I just don't want to have to stop and then submit another text message.
I think this is only happening on the Arrive phones if I am not mistaken. Does anyone know how to change that?
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Might want to have someone else with NODO (non Arrive) test that also. I know this does not happen on a pre-NODO Samsung Focus.
Thanks for the reply. Let's see if anyone else with other kind of phone experiments this after NoDo.
Same exact problem here dude, it's driving me nuts!
I made a thread earlier today about it on the 7 Pro forums. My theory is that it's turned off because CDMA doesn't have a good track record with sending txts that have 160+ characters.
Potentially, we will hopefully get a fix to this as our OS version is 7.0.7389.0 and not the 7390 thats being pushed right now.
I really hope they fix this
7090 doesnt have the problem, at least my mozart doesnt have it...
Firstly, I would like to pay respect to the developers who mapped the hardware button for the camera app. Respect to you all. Starting this thread hoping those same geniuses would be able to solve this problem. Android generally has this crazy notion that if i want to send a long sms, it will be cheaper for me to send an mms. I get like unlimited sms but i gotta pay for each mms i send so everytime i need to send a long sms, it costs me money. plus, if the recipient does not have mms configured, its money lost from my side and nothing recieved on theirs. so is there any way to stop the native messaging app from converting sms to mms after 3 sms length.
currently using Handcent sms for long sms but its a pain and it crashes often.
Waqas said:
Firstly, I would like to pay respect to the developers who mapped the hardware button for the camera app. Respect to you all. Starting this thread hoping those same geniuses would be able to solve this problem. Android generally has this crazy notion that if i want to send a long sms, it will be cheaper for me to send an mms. I get like unlimited sms but i gotta pay for each mms i send so everytime i need to send a long sms, it costs me money. plus, if the recipient does not have mms configured, its money lost from my side and nothing recieved on theirs. so is there any way to stop the native messaging app from converting sms to mms after 3 sms length.
currently using Handcent sms for long sms but its a pain and it crashes often.
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uhm.
why would a long sms convert to a mms?
I've never seen this happen.
Have no idea why this happens. if i use "MyPhoneExplorer" to compose sms on pc and send them, this problem doesn't occur. tonight, i decided to send a long sms directly from my phone and i saw that it converts to mms. so decided to google it and it appears Xplay isn't the only phone with this problem. a quick browse on google shows that loads of device owners are frustrated by this. check it out on your stock device as mine is stock also. just bootloader unlocked and rooted ;-)
Yea, mine does the same, bootloader locked, and does it un-rooted and rooted.
Very annoying. You'd think sony ericsson would have made this an option.
But i did have this issue with 2.1 on my motorola milestone.
mine just gives me a notification saying it will send 2 SMS, it even counts down hoow many characters i have left until it adds another SMS to it (only when below 20 character left)
AriStar said:
mine just gives me a notification saying it will send 2 SMS, it even counts down hoow many characters i have left until it adds another SMS to it (only when below 20 character left)
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Its after lyk 4 or 5 sms's it turns it into a mms, i can confirm every android phone i have had (hero, desire, desire hd and xplay) have all done this, i resorted to sending half an sms then writing the other half n sending that lol
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I just tested mine to 5 sms. All it does it countdown how many characters I have left for each sms, and then adds another sms.
Converting into an mms sounds like a cheap trick to make more money by some carriers.
I am with Vodafone Uk and they don't use this trick yet it seems, although thanks for this post because now I will be keeping an eye out for this.
Still don't see it as much of a problem though. Just send one sms at a time?
Happens often here (when going into 4th txt), I just break messages down not to get stung with a MMS charge.
It can be annoying as when breaking the message down you can get a reply from the other side before they have read the full message, which can cause confusion.
Laird_Attwood said:
Happens often here (when going into 4th txt), I just break messages down not to get stung with a MMS charge.
It can be annoying as when breaking the message down you can get a reply from the other side before they have read the full message, which can cause confusion.
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We are both from the uk it seems.
I'm with vodafone and running 2.3.2 still.
Who are you with?
dsswoosh said:
I just tested mine to 5 sms. All it does it countdown how many characters I have left for each sms, and then adds another sms.
Converting into an mms sounds like a cheap trick to make more money by some carriers.
I am with Vodafone Uk and they don't use this trick yet it seems, although thanks for this post because now I will be keeping an eye out for this.
Still don't see it as much of a problem though. Just send one sms at a time?
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Try expressing your feelings to your GF one message at a time...
Have you tried writing the whole message, copy/cutting half of it, sending half then quickly pasting and sending the rest? Or email/call the person lol? It might just be me but my texts are pretty small.
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Waqas said:
Try expressing your feelings to your GF one message at a time...
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"Taking you shopping, get some new shoes. I love you."
Seems to fit all into 1 text to me.
This post is not for advice on how to limit my sms size. Rather its to try come up with a solution to this problem
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Waqas said:
This post is not for advice on how to limit my sms size. Rather its to try come up with a solution to this problem
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Well the solution is to go with a network provider that doesn't adopt this cheap tactic.
Alternatively, telephone them and threaten legal action with demand for all lost money sent on mms.
Changing an sms into an mms can not possibly be legal.
dsswoosh said:
We are both from the uk it seems.
I'm with vodafone and running 2.3.2 still.
Who are you with?
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SIM free device on 2.3.3
dsswoosh said:
Well the solution is to go with a network provider that doesn't adopt this cheap tactic.
Alternatively, telephone them and threaten legal action with demand for all lost money sent on mms.
Changing an sms into an mms can not possibly be legal.
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It's not something the network controls, its a Android thing.
I guess it make sense to people in the states and how most contracts work over there.
It is annoying though.
Laird_Attwood said:
It's not something the network controls, its a Android thing.
I guess it make sense to people in the states and how most contracts work over there.
It is annoying though.
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Why does my Xperia Play not do it then?
What makes mine different, other than the network providers own software?
It has to be a network provider setup?
I can't imagine an android stock rom ever having this feature.
Waqas said:
Firstly, I would like to pay respect to the developers who mapped the hardware button for the camera app. Respect to you all. Starting this thread hoping those same geniuses would be able to solve this problem. Android generally has this crazy notion that if i want to send a long sms, it will be cheaper for me to send an mms. I get like unlimited sms but i gotta pay for each mms i send so everytime i need to send a long sms, it costs me money. plus, if the recipient does not have mms configured, its money lost from my side and nothing recieved on theirs. so is there any way to stop the native messaging app from converting sms to mms after 3 sms length.
currently using Handcent sms for long sms but its a pain and it crashes often.
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Your welcome for the camera XD It can now be found if you click the little android market logo at the top of the xperia play game menu when you slide the keypad out.
Back on-topic, I just successfully send a 6 sms long message, on 2.3.2 and with Three
dsswoosh said:
Why does my Xperia Play not do it then?
What makes mine different, other than the network providers own software?
It has to be a network provider setup?
I can't imagine an android stock rom ever having this feature.
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Ok just to make a few things clear. I noticed this problem on my Xplay which has a stock rom 2.3.2 and i got it sim-free. i have tried it with several different vendors, like vodafone UK, 3, O2 and international vendors in Pakistan as well. Also, i've tried composing a message with no sim in it and still have the same problem. So its a problem with the OS and not network related. Saw the same problem on a stock Galaxy S Sim-free.
So Devs, please find a solution to this if possible.
dsswoosh said:
Why does my Xperia Play not do it then?
What makes mine different, other than the network providers own software?
It has to be a network provider setup?
I can't imagine an android stock rom ever having this feature.
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how can it be network providers?
I got my handset SIM free (generic UK rom) and have used a few networks. it does it on all of them. and reports of it being the same on other Android devices.
It is nothing to do with networks, it Android OS.
Stop texts from breaking up, How?
Every time I get a long text message it's broken up into multiple messages, it's annoying because sometimes they dont all come in at the same time, or they do and i think i have a **** ton of msgs lol. It's the same on the stock messaging app and google's messaging app. Is there a setting somewhere that I've missed? It's happened with incoming msgs from iphones and android phones on different carriers.
mykull said:
Stop texts from breaking up, How?
Every time I get a long text message it's broken up into multiple messages, it's annoying because sometimes they dont all come in at the same time, or they do and i think i have a **** ton of msgs lol. It's the same on the stock messaging app and google's messaging app. Is there a setting somewhere that I've missed? It's happened with incoming msgs from iphones and android phones on different carriers.
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There is little you can do, it is the carrier of the sender that is doing it. Many carriers limit the number of characters you can have per text. So if they go over it gets broken into multiple text messages. It is not an issue on your end.
I also hate this.. When I had att I didn't have this problem..
Wasn't there an option to send messages bigger then a # of characters through MMS instead of using normal split SMS?
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Spark91 said:
Wasn't there an option to send messages bigger then a # of characters through MMS instead of using normal split SMS?
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Yes I think there is. This is for sending messages though. When receiving a message it depends on how the senders app sends it.
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Cbass15 said:
I also hate this.. When I had att I didn't have this problem..
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I think att and t-mobile are able to send messages without breaking it up after 150 characters.
Easy fix, just make hangouts your default SMS app...
Otherwise you're at the mercy of the carrier.
Stryke_the_Orc said:
Easy fix, just make hangouts your default SMS app...
Otherwise you're at the mercy of the carrier.
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I noticed hangouts fixes a lot of messaging problems.. Why is this? If you don't care to elaborate. ?
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I noticed hangouts fixes a lot of messaging problems.. Why is this? If you don't care to elaborate. ?
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Just a guess, but I'd say it's likely due to being Google's app and having tighter integration with the framework than carrier based bloat.
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Easy fix, just make hangouts your default SMS app...
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Yeah hangouts works great. Only problem I have is you can't send or receive mms while on wifi calling.
Now i have always had that issue but my GF gets all my messages as one no matter how long i make it without turning it into an MMS and hers to me get chopped up. We both have sprint. And she has an S5.
adrianr514 said:
Now i have always had that issue but my GF gets all my messages as one no matter how long i make it without turning it into an MMS and hers to me get chopped up. We both have sprint. And she has an S5.
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Just tried this sending myself a very long text via Wi-Fi on Sprint messaging app; it does work to combine the messages without converting to MMS.
Like others have said variables may limit results. My wife is also on my Sprint account using an iPhone 5 and her messages to me split from what I can see; don't know if hers from me split or not. Cross platform texting hasn't been reliable.
Have you tried the setting?
KLPFL said:
Have you tried the setting?
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Initially failed to Motorola Photon Q. Had found the setting and enabled it and rebooted the phone; split the long message into 4 out-of-order texts. Did the System settings/System update/Update Profile on both phones and it works both ways. Sent the same text to to the iPhone 5 and it split. I've asked my wife to update her profile but she's busy; will try again later.
On my phone, had to defrost Samsung DM Service and reinstall Sprint Zone and let it update and opt out of EUL anonymous data sharing, agree to terms before I could update the profile.
BTW, combining the long text and sending a short text after that may have the shorter message arriving first. I actually sent an inquiry after getting notification that the long text test message had been forwarded back to me. The notice and inquiry went through before I got the combined message sent first.
I don't know if it happened to me or not.. never pay attention to it....gotta test later to see if if it's the same problem
How long is long. . I tested by sending to myself. But don't know if it is long enough.
My test text message consists of 80 words which was splitting into 4 text messages. Seems to be working between two different Android phones but still unknown if profile update will get it working cross-platform to/from iPhone. The Sprint iPhone 5 on the account seems to frequently have inability to sync texts with Android over Wi-Fi. Sometimes, it's just texting in general that the iPhone 5 loses.
For testing, just kept using the same message forwarded until it was received by both phones without the split.
May be wrong but sending it to yourself may only be an indication your phone can combine. It takes the profile update to tell Sprint you wish to use the combining method which appears to be an exception to every phone. Being on Gingerbread and CM for a long time, this is the first time I've seen the combining feature. About time! Hope it continues to work without frequent profile updates then broke again/update again.
This doesn't make sense. .i sent to my wife iPhone.. she received one full message but when she sent to me using the same text message it broke up to 4...wth
KLPFL said:
This doesn't make sense. .i sent to my wife iPhone.. she received one full message but when she sent to me using the same text message it broke up to 4...wth
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Did you perform the profile update on both phones? Does the Sprint iPhone have the combine text option for texts?
I haven't tried the profile update and retest with the iPhone 5 yet. Haven't seen the the settings menu on the iPhone 5, either. I think that phone is still on iOS7; afraid the update would result in early upgrade.
Not on the iPhone just the note 4
Open the stock messaging app and go to text message settings and make sure auto combination is checked.
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