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Possible to completely backup stock phone?

I have a stock (2.1) Desire and am now considering rooting it for the first time. If possible, I would like to make a complete backup of the device before flashing a new rom, to be able to revert and restore my current apps/settings if I for some reason would like to do so.
Is this possible, and if so, can you point me to a guide?
If not, how much of my current settings/apps will be lost after rooting (with either a 2.1 or 2.2 rom), and how much is stored "in the cloud" and would be reapplied after flash?
Thanks in advance.

MyBackup Pro can do pretty good job with apps, settings and data

Thanks for the suggestion.
Looking at the product description, I don't really find any mention of what data is backed up, other than data from a short list of applications neither of which I use.. Also it seems to store the data on the developer's servers, which is not at all what I want.
Thanks anyway..

it allows you to choose where you want to store it, sd card or their servers...
Only few things will miss after restore, like market entries for apps... I can't remember all the details

[Q] what do I loose when I factory reset

Hello,
I am going to root my phone soon using an XTC clip, and I read that I have to factory reset my phone before flashing a ROM.
My main concern is my apps. Will, when I flash a ROM and use the phone again, my apps still be there in the market? I have free shazam for example (because i downloaded it before it became a paid app), and I want to know if it will afterwards still know I should get a free version.
Or will, when you factory reset, all the apps be gone from the market aswel? I read titanium backup is great, but that it only works when rooted, so I can't use that.
Thanks for your input

what do I loose when I factory reset
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everything lol. includes phone apps, market downloaded apps, all accounts data, all application data, phone calender entries, and what not.
--if one is on official unrooted phone and made factory reset, then he will loose all phone memory related things except the operating system.
--if one is on rooted phone (with custom recovery) and made factory reset, then he will loose all the phone memory related things including the operating system.
Ok, if u have asked a question like what do i retain when i factory reset, then the answer will be. Everything that can be kept online like gmail contacts, gmail calender entries. And every application data or cache data that will be saved on memory card like google maps data, dictionaries data etc. I dont know about the memory card apps whether they will work after factory reset. ok
Hello,
I am going to root my phone soon using an XTC clip, and I read that I have to factory reset my phone before flashing a ROM.
My main concern is my apps. Will, when I flash a ROM and use the phone again, my apps still be there in the market? I have free shazam for example (because i downloaded it before it became a paid app), and I want to know if it will afterwards still know I should get a free version.
Or will, when you factory reset, all the apps be gone from the market aswel? I read titanium backup is great, but that it only works when rooted, so I can't use that.
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u need to search and download each and every app again from the market. I think it wont make a note of the list of ur apps.
But u have many options.
--u can now use xtc clip to s-off ur device. then donot downgrade. just flash a custom recovery by PC49IMG.ZIP process. Then u can make a nandroid backup of the present os. And while restoring, u will have few options regarding what to restore. Or alternative to nandroid backup, u can just use a titanium backup here as ur phone is rooted.
--u cannot have free access to shazam further unless u back it up now.
--Its not just the "titanium backup" which will back up the apps. There are many freeware application managers in the market which back up the phone apps to apk files on the memory card. just go to the market and have a look at.

Maybe the thread title was badly chosen, the question was more about the apps Too bad, I was hoping it was somewhere stored with google, and that it would simply re-download the apps after the flashing.
But so I will use the XTC clip to s-off and then backup my stuff.
Cheers

[Q] Backup application data

Anyone know of an application that can backup application data together with market links? (for non-rooted phones)
I know TB can do that and I already use that, but now my worry comes in when SE is releasing an update this week and we aren't sure whether we are able to root after this!

I was thinking the same.. I've backed up using mybackup pro.. backs up app and data.. not sure about market links though, but it's the best non rooted back up I've found..
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im_iceman said:
I was thinking the same.. I've backed up using mybackup pro.. backs up app and data.. not sure about market links though, but it's the best non rooted back up I've found..
Sent from The Arc!
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Thanks for the reply.
I've used Mybackup Pro before with my X10, but I it couldn't backup the data unless you provide the "root" access to it and the restoration isn't as good as TB when it comes to rooted phone.
The biggest question here is that when the update is delivered, will we be able to root again using the Gingerbreak? If yes, then I've no problem sticking with TB, but if not then my worries start

I for one am not going to update until i know the new version can be rooted.
Other than that, i can second the recommendation to use mybackup pro. It's not a titanium replacement by any means, but it gets the essentials (sms, calendar, etc etc) done perfectly well (in fact i use it for this sort of thing in preference to TB anyway).

daveybaby said:
I for one am not going to update until i know the new version can be rooted.
Other than that, i can second the recommendation to use mybackup pro. It's not a titanium replacement by any means, but it gets the essentials (sms, calendar, etc etc) done perfectly well (in fact i use it for this sort of thing in preference to TB anyway).
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Yep. Agreed.
But here I'm looking at something which can backup the data of the application as well without a rooted phone and restore it in a non-rooted phone.
Any suggestion?

sounds like this needs root to work then..
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im_iceman said:
sounds like this needs root to work then..
Sent from The Arc!
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Disappointed.
Most of the phones out there (Android excluded) can do this. The best example is iPhone; thought I don't like it, I like this feature. That's the whole idea for us to connect to the PC every now and then. I don't know how hard it is for the phone makers to come up with something like this to backup the whole phone, including apps and their data; while they have access to everything since they are the manufacture of the phone.
Every now and then, surely there will be software updates and they will wipe the data. We have to setup it up from scratch and it takes a long time for that and more or less you will loss the application's data; unless you are rooted and use TB to backup; provided the "root" is still available for that software update.
Previously I tried a simple application for backing up the data of the famous game "Angry Birds". This app requires no "root", but does the job pretty well. Now when a third party application can do that means surely the phone maker should be able to do more than that!!

sprite backup is what i used before titanium backup. no need for root, but it stores everything in batch backups...

akusokuzan said:
sprite backup is what i used before titanium backup. no need for root, but it stores everything in batch backups...
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Does that application have a option to backup application (from market) together with it's data? Am I able to choose which application to backup/restore? Classic example is backup "Angry Birds" with it's completed levels and it's settings.

After the update my phone has become quite slow and freezes at times for 1-2 seconds. I would like to do a factory reset to see whether it can solve the problem but only thing stopping me from doing that is I couldn't find a software (be it a PC based software or and Phone application) that could backup my phone's application together with their data!
Any more advises or help?

Koodo SGH-T989D - slow, lags

Picked up a Koodo SGH-T989D SII a few weeks ago. The device is running Icecream Sandwich.. I find it lags and has response issues.
Apparently jellybean is not yet out for it, I tried connecting the phone last night to Kies to check for an update because the device does not have a OTA option in Settings but KIES is such a POS software that I nearly pulled my hair out.
The software will just not detect the phone being plugged in.. not matter what I tried.
What are my options? Can I install jellybean from another carrier on this phone?

DHeffernan said:
Picked up a Koodo SGH-T989D SII a few weeks ago. The device is running Icecream Sandwich.. I find it lags and has response issues.
Apparently jellybean is not yet out for it, I tried connecting the phone last night to Kies to check for an update because the device does not have a OTA option in Settings but KIES is such a POS software that I nearly pulled my hair out.
The software will just not detect the phone being plugged in.. not matter what I tried.
What are my options? Can I install jellybean from another carrier on this phone?
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Root your phone. Check out the development thread for this phone. There are many stable if not perfect JB roms in there.

cricketAC said:
Root your phone. Check out the development thread for this phone. There are many stable if not perfect JB roms in there.
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Will i lose the stuff thats currently on the phone and have to restart everything?
Like game saves, etc?

DHeffernan said:
Will i lose the stuff thats currently on the phone and have to restart everything?
Like game saves, etc?
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Well if you ONLY root you will preserve your items (if you do it the proper method)
But if you want to transfer game saves and such (Google sadly doesn't backup all the data..) when you want to flash Jellybean for example, you can use Titanium Backup

Koragg618 said:
Well if you ONLY root you will preserve your items (if you do it the proper method)
But if you want to transfer game saves and such (Google sadly doesn't backup all the data..) when you want to flash Jellybean for example, you can use Titanium Backup
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Well only rooting will not get me anywheres and resolve the issue I am seeing.
So basically I would have to use titaniumBackup do a proper backup, then root and flash jellybean, then restore the backup?
Also Titanium Backup in the play store is showing *root besides it.. Does that mean I need to be rooted in order to use it? Basically not even being able to backup the stuff this initial first root?

DHeffernan said:
Well only rooting will not get me anywheres and resolve the issue I am seeing.
So basically I would have to use titaniumBackup do a proper backup, then root and flash jellybean, then restore the backup?
Also Titanium Backup in the play store is showing *root besides it.. Does that mean I need to be rooted in order to use it? Basically not even being able to backup the stuff this initial first root?
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This link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2195283
Rooting initially will not erase any memory according to this post, so you can root, then download Titanium Backup and backup, and then do a nandroid backup in the recovery if you don't like the next ROM you might use.

Root first, then install titanium backup (sorry I tried to post a link to rooting, but I'm new here so I'm prevented from posting links).
Anyways, once you root and install Titanium backup to backup your apps & data, then you can flash a custom ROM. Make sure to make a Nandroid backup first (Google it) in case you change your mind. There are a lot of choices. Jedi Jelly is good and has a similar look and feel (Touchwiz) to the ROM that came with your phone. AOKP and Cyanogenmod are very popular alternatives that look a bit different but also work quite well.

[Q] Titanium Backup

So here's a question for you guys.....................
I have the HTC One M8 and am rooted and S-OFF, as well as ViperOne M8 and Titanium Backup.
Whenever I get an update from Team Venom for ViperOne, I notice it says just as it's finishing the reboot (post-install) that it's upgrading my apps. So does that mean that the backups that I have (for my apps) which are stored in Titanium Backup are no longer current? I don't think the upgrade process affects the backed up data that was done pre-install, so it seems like that data would be outdated at this point?
Please answer if you think you know.
Thank You,
RockStar2005

RockStar2005 said:
So here's a question for you guys.....................
I have the HTC One M8 and am rooted and S-OFF, as well as ViperOne M8 and Titanium Backup.
Whenever I get an update from Team Venom for ViperOne, I notice it says just as it's finishing the reboot (post-install) that it's upgrading my apps. So does that mean that the backups that I have (for my apps) which are stored in Titanium Backup are no longer current? I don't think the upgrade process affects the backed up data that was done pre-install, so it seems like that data would be outdated at this point?
Please answer if you think you know.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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No it doesn't, usually when developers release a new ROM update they also update all of their stock apps on their ROM to the newest versions. Because of that, when you reboot it tends to say that because it is updating the apps for it and or caching them. (this is to my knowledge of how it works, still though your backups are fine)

Hopefully you are only talking user installed apps? Is not a good idea to be restoring system apps.

correct, YOUR apps, that you backed up to TB are current as of the day you backed them up.
once you restore them, via TB, then of course, open play store, and let it check and see if there are any updates to YOUR previously backed up apps.

S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
No it doesn't, usually when developers release a new ROM update they also update all of their stock apps on their ROM to the newest versions. Because of that, when you reboot it tends to say that because it is updating the apps for it and or caching them. (this is to my knowledge of how it works, still though your backups are fine)
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So ViperOne is updating TB for me? If so, is that updating the TB backups as well??
Thank You,
RockStar2005

RockStar2005 said:
So ViperOne is updating TB for me? If so, is that updating the TB backups as well??
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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It is updating any apps that come with the ROM such as the HTC TV app or other HTC apps, TB is not included because it is not one of the pre-loaded apps that the developer included with the ROM. Also as stated above, the TB backups are not touched by this, they stay the same as they were when you made them soo you have to update the backups yourself if you wanted to.

Shadowz,
Ok, that's what I thought. I just needed to hear you say it in a different way to be sure. lol
So anytime there's a new update, I'm gonna need to re-backup all the apps with TB then. Seems like TB is only good if you mess something up and wanna restore the apps' data. When you're just doing an incremental update, or especially a full ROM install, then it's useless. I may just uninstall it.
Thanks Shadowz!
RockStar2005

Not really useless. You can create a daily schedule to backup your apps and data so you stay always current

stathis95194 said:
Not really useless. You can create a daily schedule to backup your apps and data so you stay always current
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THIS is the proper way to use TB...

I've used TB for years. After flashing clean, I just restore my user apps, data also for some and aside from a few system settings.... I'm right back how I was.
I use Nova, so restoring it's settings puts my home screens right back how they were too.
Not sure why people would want to mess with Nandroid data restores when this whole process above takes hardly any time and never brings issues. ?

stathis95194 said:
Not really useless. You can create a daily schedule to backup your apps and data so you stay always current
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Ehh, it was late last night when I posted that, and I was cranky. lol
I don't have the PRO/donate version ($5.99?? geez), so I can only schedule up to 2 days max for automatic backups.
Thanks Stathis.
RockStar2005

this was one of the first apps I bought years ago, as it has saved my butt many times over the years..

KJ said:
I've used TB for years. After flashing clean, I just restore my user apps, data also for some and aside from a few system settings.... I'm right back how I was.
I use Nova, so restoring it's settings puts my home screens right back how they were too.
Not sure why people would want to mess with Nandroid data restores when this whole process above takes hardly any time and never brings issues. ?
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Hi KJ,
Yeah I noticed that too as I also have Nova.
So you're saying you never do any nandroid backups? Interesting. Where do you save the TB backup files? I don't like saving them on internal storage, so I just transfer them to a flash drive or OneDrive (formerly SkyDrive).
Thanks,
RockStar2005

RockStar2005 said:
Hi KJ,
Yeah I noticed that too as I also have Nova.
So you're saying you never do any nandroid backups? Interesting. Where do you save the TB backup files? I don't like saving them on internal storage, so I just transfer them to a flash drive or OneDrive (formerly SkyDrive).
Thanks,
RockStar2005
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I occasionally do a nandroid. Only for a full restore. And usually just before wiping and Flashing something. I don't always, cause I can flash roms or stock manually just as easy.
And I just keep my TB backups on the device.

KJ said:
I occasionally do a nandroid. Only for a full restore. And usually just before wiping and Flashing something. I don't always, cause I can flash roms or stock manually just as easy.
And I just keep my TB backups on the device.
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KJ,
I see. Ok. I'm still gonna do them, but more for emergencies than anything.
I did that but then one time recently something happened and my internal storage got wiped clean. I save a copy on my external SD card, but then I thought "what if my phone got lost?", and decided to just store it on flash or cloud. Just wish TB would let you store it on THEIR own server so you don't have to worry about doing it manually or automatically elsewhere. The options they have like Google Drive don't offer as much space. I have Google Drive but don't want to give up the space. And I think DropBox is only 1 GIG? There is that Titanium variant that stores them automatically for only $2.99, but that got bad reviews.
Thanks,
RockStar2005

I've used TB for a few years now (paid version). I use it mainly to backup my user data just in case. Right now my M8 is stock (just got it and I wait until my warrenty is up before rooting etc) so I'm not really using it now. When I do root I'll be able to take my user data from a few games I'm playing on my rooted Transformer Prime and put the data on my phone. That's really the only thing I use TB for execpt for freezing bloatware so I can unfreeze, use Voodo Root Keeper (if it works on the device) and get OTA's. User data is always my biggest priority. I can reinstall any apps from the play store. Yes, this can take some time but doing it this way, when I f-up I can pick and choose what apps I put back on and leave off apps that I installed in the past but never use anymore. To each is own I guess. One good example was about a year ago Google updated the standard music app. I hated it. It screwed up all my album art and I hated the new interface. I used TB to restore the older version and it was like it never happened.