So here's a question for you guys.....................
I have the HTC One M8 and am rooted and S-OFF, as well as ViperOne M8 and Titanium Backup.
Whenever I get an update from Team Venom for ViperOne, I notice it says just as it's finishing the reboot (post-install) that it's upgrading my apps. So does that mean that the backups that I have (for my apps) which are stored in Titanium Backup are no longer current? I don't think the upgrade process affects the backed up data that was done pre-install, so it seems like that data would be outdated at this point?
Please answer if you think you know.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
So here's a question for you guys.....................
I have the HTC One M8 and am rooted and S-OFF, as well as ViperOne M8 and Titanium Backup.
Whenever I get an update from Team Venom for ViperOne, I notice it says just as it's finishing the reboot (post-install) that it's upgrading my apps. So does that mean that the backups that I have (for my apps) which are stored in Titanium Backup are no longer current? I don't think the upgrade process affects the backed up data that was done pre-install, so it seems like that data would be outdated at this point?
Please answer if you think you know.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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No it doesn't, usually when developers release a new ROM update they also update all of their stock apps on their ROM to the newest versions. Because of that, when you reboot it tends to say that because it is updating the apps for it and or caching them. (this is to my knowledge of how it works, still though your backups are fine)
Hopefully you are only talking user installed apps? Is not a good idea to be restoring system apps.
correct, YOUR apps, that you backed up to TB are current as of the day you backed them up.
once you restore them, via TB, then of course, open play store, and let it check and see if there are any updates to YOUR previously backed up apps.
S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
No it doesn't, usually when developers release a new ROM update they also update all of their stock apps on their ROM to the newest versions. Because of that, when you reboot it tends to say that because it is updating the apps for it and or caching them. (this is to my knowledge of how it works, still though your backups are fine)
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So ViperOne is updating TB for me? If so, is that updating the TB backups as well??
Thank You,
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
So ViperOne is updating TB for me? If so, is that updating the TB backups as well??
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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It is updating any apps that come with the ROM such as the HTC TV app or other HTC apps, TB is not included because it is not one of the pre-loaded apps that the developer included with the ROM. Also as stated above, the TB backups are not touched by this, they stay the same as they were when you made them soo you have to update the backups yourself if you wanted to.
Shadowz,
Ok, that's what I thought. I just needed to hear you say it in a different way to be sure. lol
So anytime there's a new update, I'm gonna need to re-backup all the apps with TB then. Seems like TB is only good if you mess something up and wanna restore the apps' data. When you're just doing an incremental update, or especially a full ROM install, then it's useless. I may just uninstall it.
Thanks Shadowz!
RockStar2005
Not really useless. You can create a daily schedule to backup your apps and data so you stay always current
stathis95194 said:
Not really useless. You can create a daily schedule to backup your apps and data so you stay always current
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THIS is the proper way to use TB...
I've used TB for years. After flashing clean, I just restore my user apps, data also for some and aside from a few system settings.... I'm right back how I was.
I use Nova, so restoring it's settings puts my home screens right back how they were too.
Not sure why people would want to mess with Nandroid data restores when this whole process above takes hardly any time and never brings issues. ?
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Not really useless. You can create a daily schedule to backup your apps and data so you stay always current
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Ehh, it was late last night when I posted that, and I was cranky. lol
I don't have the PRO/donate version ($5.99?? geez), so I can only schedule up to 2 days max for automatic backups.
Thanks Stathis.
RockStar2005
this was one of the first apps I bought years ago, as it has saved my butt many times over the years..
KJ said:
I've used TB for years. After flashing clean, I just restore my user apps, data also for some and aside from a few system settings.... I'm right back how I was.
I use Nova, so restoring it's settings puts my home screens right back how they were too.
Not sure why people would want to mess with Nandroid data restores when this whole process above takes hardly any time and never brings issues. ?
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Hi KJ,
Yeah I noticed that too as I also have Nova.
So you're saying you never do any nandroid backups? Interesting. Where do you save the TB backup files? I don't like saving them on internal storage, so I just transfer them to a flash drive or OneDrive (formerly SkyDrive).
Thanks,
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
Hi KJ,
Yeah I noticed that too as I also have Nova.
So you're saying you never do any nandroid backups? Interesting. Where do you save the TB backup files? I don't like saving them on internal storage, so I just transfer them to a flash drive or OneDrive (formerly SkyDrive).
Thanks,
RockStar2005
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I occasionally do a nandroid. Only for a full restore. And usually just before wiping and Flashing something. I don't always, cause I can flash roms or stock manually just as easy.
And I just keep my TB backups on the device.
KJ said:
I occasionally do a nandroid. Only for a full restore. And usually just before wiping and Flashing something. I don't always, cause I can flash roms or stock manually just as easy.
And I just keep my TB backups on the device.
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KJ,
I see. Ok. I'm still gonna do them, but more for emergencies than anything.
I did that but then one time recently something happened and my internal storage got wiped clean. I save a copy on my external SD card, but then I thought "what if my phone got lost?", and decided to just store it on flash or cloud. Just wish TB would let you store it on THEIR own server so you don't have to worry about doing it manually or automatically elsewhere. The options they have like Google Drive don't offer as much space. I have Google Drive but don't want to give up the space. And I think DropBox is only 1 GIG? There is that Titanium variant that stores them automatically for only $2.99, but that got bad reviews.
Thanks,
RockStar2005
I've used TB for a few years now (paid version). I use it mainly to backup my user data just in case. Right now my M8 is stock (just got it and I wait until my warrenty is up before rooting etc) so I'm not really using it now. When I do root I'll be able to take my user data from a few games I'm playing on my rooted Transformer Prime and put the data on my phone. That's really the only thing I use TB for execpt for freezing bloatware so I can unfreeze, use Voodo Root Keeper (if it works on the device) and get OTA's. User data is always my biggest priority. I can reinstall any apps from the play store. Yes, this can take some time but doing it this way, when I f-up I can pick and choose what apps I put back on and leave off apps that I installed in the past but never use anymore. To each is own I guess. One good example was about a year ago Google updated the standard music app. I hated it. It screwed up all my album art and I hated the new interface. I used TB to restore the older version and it was like it never happened.
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Ok, so to me this program seems great - backs up pretty much EVERYTHING for me, so that if I flash and wipe a new rom, it restores everything to a usable level. Now my issue is I can't understand what people mean when they say you might as well not wipe at all. If you can't use TB to restore after a wipe, what is the point of using TB at all???
Is there a way to select parts that are "ok" to restore after a wipe? or is TB pretty much pointless?
Thanks
Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Thanks I read that but his post didn't really make it clear for me:
problem is that when a user makes the backup on one rom/build/version and imports it on another
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What exactly does this mean? I am running CM6 nightlies. Should it be wiped and not restored via TB each time? What about going from RC1 to RC2?
If the situation is such that you can restore via TB, then why not just flash the new one and skip wiping altogether?
Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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^what he said
I LOVE TB but I use it to restore my apps and their data ONLY, I do not use it to restore system data.
I think with tb....when you restore your apps you have the choice to restore the apps with out the user data. Also you can choose to wipe them of data Before you restore.
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berardi said:
yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
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Unlike Google's backup, TB backs up your /data/data folder, not just the APK's from your market-downloaded applications.
In other words, it backs up your application data, your apps you installed manually/downloaded, and all of your settings, such as Bluetooth name and pairings, WiFi networks (and security settings), etc.
My rule of thumb is, if going from one build to another (ie, Stock to CM6, etc.) then do NOT restore any system settings/apps. Just do a backup of YOUR apps, as-is, move over to the new ROM, restore apps and their settings, then go to the Market and update everything. Simple as that, and you shouldn't get any errors.
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it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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Thanks that definitely helps. Market-removed apps seems like a good reason to have it. (I already bought it just trying to determine how to use it anyways)
Ok so is it fair enough to say it has a relatively "niche" market with the addition of market backups? I hate to be a bull in the ChinaShop but it seems like people really tip toe around the idea of TB being outdated by market backups. I get the general idea of what you guys are saying but I'm trying to decide what I want to do in personal practice.
I don't think I've experienced any issues but who knows if I've had less than optimal performance because of restoring previous settings. Are there any "safe" items that can be backed up and restored or is nothing really "safe" they all have entries in sqlite database that might be duplicated?
Thanks again guys for humoring me
when say going from stock 2.2 to cm 6.1.1? What id like is to say, take a list of my currently installed apps on the froyo, or from a backup, and make a list of them to be installed, with the accounts and what not set up. or, mount a backup so i can look at the apps i have installed and their passwords.
Titanium Backup
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Titanium Backup
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You can use titanium to install apps from other android versions? Because with the backup that comes with cwm, i tried restoring just the data after going to cm 6.1.1 and i got a weird little half brick device until i manually booted into recovery and reinstalled the rooted stock back up i made. now i wanna go back to cm 6.1.1 but i dont feel like writing a bunch of stuff down.
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You can use titanium to install apps from other android versions? Because with the backup that comes with cwm, i tried restoring just the data after going to cm 6.1.1 and i got a weird little half brick device until i manually booted into recovery and reinstalled the rooted stock back up i made. now i wanna go back to cm 6.1.1 but i dont feel like writing a bunch of stuff down.
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Works for me when I say restore back a 6.1.1 after running some 2.3. Usually I'm restoring (apps + data) stuff like setCPU_donate and other 3rd party apps and settings. Couldn't hurt but I'll tell you, messing with restoring anything other than a full rom backup in CWM makes me a bit nervous. Luckily there are alot of things to do what you're asking.
Yeah it made me nervous too after i did it. I didnt figure that user data itself would cause a perma brick though. But i was almost completely sure it wouldnt work at the time. And now i am completely sure. Yeah i downloaded titanium back up, and i backed up the apps i wanted to save the account info for, so we'll see what happens after cm gets done doin its thing.
Yes, Titanium Backup will backup not only the app, but also the user data as well - which is *way* handy.
It'll also backup system apps, so you do need to kinda watch what you're restoring (the free version of Titanium Backup makes you manually confirm every single app you restore, so it's a bit harder to screw up). It's a pretty sweet app, highly recommended.
Installing/restoring between versions is no problem.
yeah, it is pretty handy. Except when it came to swype.
Quick Q for Titanium. When I do a batch operation, it still asks me if I want to install the apk and then another if i want to open it or hit done. Is there a way to bypass those screens?
funkeee said:
Quick Q for Titanium. When I do a batch operation, it still asks me if I want to install the apk and then another if i want to open it or hit done. Is there a way to bypass those screens?
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Only if you buy the Pro version or whatever. It's not too expensive. I actually kinda like those screens, as it gives me a double-check so I don't install something I didn't want to.
I have a UK Desire Z, which I love!!! I have been reading up on rooting, and after researching a lot, I have got ADB up and running and am now comfortable using it. The next step is to permanent root/s-off so that i can install gingervillain.
The questions I have is this. I have the 1.72 ota update, so Im going to have to downgrade to do all of the above, and with this will be wiping my phone. but I have a lot of apps and things on my phone. Contacts im not so worried about as it syncs with my gmail, and I will backup the sd card on my pc. But for all the apps and other settings, what is the best backup solution. i know of titanium backup, but with that can I back it up on 1.72 ota and restore it into gingervillain? I know once ive fully rooted it and installed clockwork mod recovery I can do a full backup of the phone, but is there an efficient way to migrate everything from my 1.72 to a new rom? I know I will be getting temproot first in 1.72, so can use things like titanium backup before the wipe.
Thanks
Titanium Backup works really well. Been using it for several months now. I bought the pro version for batch restore of apps.
You will be able to use it just fine to back up all your apps then restore them all together into any other ROM you flash. They all stay in the Titanium Backup folder on your SDcard. The nice thing about it is that it saves all the app data as well (assuming you choose to back that up), which allows your apps to be restored to the exact point at which they were on the original ROM (aka game save states, passwords, preferences, etc.)
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Titanium Backup works really well. Been using it for several months now. I bought the pro version for batch restore of apps.
You will be able to use it just fine to back up all your apps then restore them all together into any other ROM you flash. They all stay in the Titanium Backup folder on your SDcard. The nice thing about it is that it saves all the app data as well (assuming you choose to back that up), which allows your apps to be restored to the exact point at which they were on the original ROM (aka game save states, passwords, preferences, etc.)
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Thanks,Thats perfect. I think I may just buy the pro version so i can batch restore then!
moblo said:
Thanks,Thats perfect. I think I may just buy the pro version so i can batch restore then!
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Cool, hope it works the way you expect.
My understanding is that GingerBread (2.3.x) will handle automatically restoring your apps after a wipe or you switch between ROM (each with clean wipe).
It asks about "backing up google".
I'm currently using MikG 0.5 and was using MikG RC1 for quite a while (since it was released 3 weeks?).
I was hoping starting with a fresh wipe it would restore my apps but it does not.
I think on one of these gingerbread ROMs (I've tried a bunch) I think it did partially restore apps. Not just paid ones. I forget if it was complete or not.
Is there something explicit you have to do to make this all work?
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My understanding is that GingerBread (2.3.x) will handle automatically restoring your apps after a wipe or you switch between ROM (each with clean wipe).
It asks about "backing up google".
I'm currently using MikG 0.5 and was using MikG RC1 for quite a while (since it was released 3 weeks?).
I was hoping starting with a fresh wipe it would restore my apps but it does not.
I think on one of these gingerbread ROMs (I've tried a bunch) I think it did partially restore apps. Not just paid ones. I forget if it was complete or not.
Is there something explicit you have to do to make this all work?
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That still seems to be hit or miss. Is there any reason you're not using Titanium Backup?
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That still seems to be hit or miss. Is there any reason you're not using Titanium Backup?
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Because I don't like it. Recently I wanted to use it for a piece of software for TTS I bought and was no longer available in the Market. And it completely fell on it's face. All I did was copy the APK from system from a restored back up and it installed fine.
I also don't want to restore potentially incompatible apps. I assume Google will trigger Market to install latest right from the start.
I also don't have to explicitly choose what to back up and what to restore.
I've seen the Google Stuff work, and it works well when it works.
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Because I don't like it. Recently I wanted to use it for a piece of software for TTS I bought and was no longer available in the Market. And it completely fell on it's face. All I did was copy the APK from system from a restored back up and it installed fine.
I also don't want to restore potentially incompatible apps. I assume Google will trigger Market to install latest right from the start.
I also don't have to explicitly choose what to back up and what to restore.
I've seen the Google Stuff work, and it works well when it works.
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That's the problem. Honestly, TB can be complicated to use but what you're describing sounds like user error. You also don't have to explicitly choose what to backup and restore in TB either. Just go into Menu > Batch > Backup all user apps to backup and then Restore all user apps when you want to restore. Then just use the Market to update any out of date apps. It takes forever for the Market to get your apps back anyway, I always use TB and so does almost anyone else on a custom ROM.
Call me a purist, but I don't like Titanium Backup either. Granted, I don't use a ton of market apps, only about a dozen or so ... just not a problem. To get back to the original question, Google has always restored my apps on CM6/7, up to and including the 3-7 gapps. The newer gapps used with Android 2.3.4 are where everything began to break down.
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That's the problem. Honestly, TB can be complicated to use but what you're describing sounds like user error. You also don't have to explicitly choose what to backup and restore in TB either. Just go into Menu > Batch > Backup all user apps to backup and then Restore all user apps when you want to restore. Then just use the Market to update any out of date apps. It takes forever for the Market to get your apps back anyway, I always use TB and so does almost anyone else on a custom ROM.
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I don't want to back it up like that. I think it causes problems.
I backed up this app explicitly, went to restore explicitly and it didn't work. Pretty Simple.
I'd like the google feature. I want something that coordinates with the mark app and installs the instead if the backup is old.
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I don't want to back it up like that. I think it causes problems.
I backed up this app explicitly, went to restore explicitly and it didn't work. Pretty Simple.
I'd like the google feature. I want something that coordinates with the mark app and installs the instead if the backup is old.
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Good luck
Ok I have a lot of backups stored in TI, but I am wanting to re flash my ROM and wipe data ect..
My question is can I somehow make a backup of just the apps that are installed on my phone right now, so when I start to put the apps back I can flash all the apps I have now instead of going and unchecking all the apps I don't want installed right now?
I hope that makes sence, I'm not good at expressing what's in my brain onto txt...
Thx for help.
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Would be good if there was a question lol
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There is a question..
And the answer is yes, select batch back up and only select the files you want to install, instead of just selecting all.
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I know how to do that. But I have a lot of apps that are backed up but not installed so it would take a while.
I just want to know if there is a quicker way.
I guess I could ask like this;
Is there a way to backup all current installed apps, then flash a new ROM or wipe data, and then re-install just the apps that u just then backed up? Completly ignoring all other backups of apps that are stored there.
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evilsock said:
I know how to do that. But I have a lot of apps that are backed up but not installed so it would take a while.
I just want to know if there is a quicker way.
I guess I could ask like this;
Is there a way to backup all current installed apps, then flash a new ROM or wipe data, and then re-install just the apps that u just then backed up? Completly ignoring all other backups of apps that are stored there.
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Yes, you can backup the current apps installed. There's an APP in the market called App Backup & Restore. This backs up all apps in your phone (giving you the option to check/uncheck which ones you dont want) and allows you to restore those apps with ease.
Check it out...I hope this is what you're looking for!
You could also back them up with a nandroid and do an advanced restore data and get all your current apps back.
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You could also back them up with a nandroid and do an advanced restore data and get all your current apps back.
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You and I seem to think alike kenny, but you're always a bit ahead of me! I was thinking this same thing, or the other option, still in TB, would be to batch restore and then click the box "deselect all" so then you only have to go through and check the ones you want instead of unchecking the ones you don't. I think this was mentioned before as well.
I was wondering if you could provide a bit more info on the advanced restore data. I know it's an option available in CWM, but I'm wondering if there are situations where it wouldn't work as well as using some backup app. I think I read that if you were switching versions, like Froyo to Gingerbread, it probably wouldn't work well. But I've got the nandroid backup from EI22, just after I rooted and applied the GPS fix and silent camera mod, and I think the custom ROMs I've seen lately are all based on that, so would it work OK? The advanced restore of data seems like it would be a bit easier (or at least simpler) than using an app, but I don't know too much about how it works. Any clarifications about this would be appreciated. Thanks.
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I was wondering if you could provide a bit more info on the advanced restore data. I know it's an option available in CWM, but I'm wondering if there are situations where it wouldn't work as well as using some backup app. I think I read that if you were switching versions, like Froyo to Gingerbread, it probably wouldn't work well. But I've got the nandroid backup from EI22, just after I rooted and applied the GPS fix and silent camera mod, and I think the custom ROMs I've seen lately are all based on that, so would it work OK? The advanced restore of data seems like it would be a bit easier (or at least simpler) than using an app, but I don't know too much about how it works. Any clarifications about this would be appreciated. Thanks.
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It should work fine. It only restores 3rd party apps and data and the data folder of your phone. The other stuff should be in your phones system folder.
Well personally I would just do a clockwork backup like the previous guys said, and then advanced restore my data onto the new rom. I've been doing this with Rom installs for 2 years and it's always worked pretty well.
Anyways, if you really wanted to use TB that bad to do it, I would go into your SD card folder, copy the TB folder onto the computer (All your old backups you don't want to get rid of would be in here) Delete the TB Folder on your SD card, then re-run TB again. Do a batch backup of all your apps (that you have currently installed). If you ever want any of the old backups of apps you don't currently use, they'll always be on the computer.
Make a new label & add all the apps you have installed right now & and that you want to restore on your new rom. Then when your new rom setup is ready to restore apps just filter that label you made & bach restore
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Anyways, if you really wanted to use TB that bad to do it, I would go into your SD card folder, copy the TB folder onto the computer (All your old backups you don't want to get rid of would be in here) Delete the TB Folder on your SD card, then re-run TB again. Do a batch backup of all your apps (that you have currently installed). If you ever want any of the old backups of apps you don't currently use, they'll always be on the computer.
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Heh, exactly what I was getting ready to recommend, as this is a very easy way to do exactly what he wants
Thanks for saving me from having to type it out