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still can't understand the deal with TitaniumBackup

Ok, so to me this program seems great - backs up pretty much EVERYTHING for me, so that if I flash and wipe a new rom, it restores everything to a usable level. Now my issue is I can't understand what people mean when they say you might as well not wipe at all. If you can't use TB to restore after a wipe, what is the point of using TB at all???
Is there a way to select parts that are "ok" to restore after a wipe? or is TB pretty much pointless?
Thanks

Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/

P_Dub_S said:
Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Thanks I read that but his post didn't really make it clear for me:
problem is that when a user makes the backup on one rom/build/version and imports it on another
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What exactly does this mean? I am running CM6 nightlies. Should it be wiped and not restored via TB each time? What about going from RC1 to RC2?
If the situation is such that you can restore via TB, then why not just flash the new one and skip wiping altogether?

Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.

P_Dub_S said:
Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?

it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.

fachadick said:
it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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^what he said
I LOVE TB but I use it to restore my apps and their data ONLY, I do not use it to restore system data.

I think with tb....when you restore your apps you have the choice to restore the apps with out the user data. Also you can choose to wipe them of data Before you restore.
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berardi said:
yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
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Unlike Google's backup, TB backs up your /data/data folder, not just the APK's from your market-downloaded applications.
In other words, it backs up your application data, your apps you installed manually/downloaded, and all of your settings, such as Bluetooth name and pairings, WiFi networks (and security settings), etc.
My rule of thumb is, if going from one build to another (ie, Stock to CM6, etc.) then do NOT restore any system settings/apps. Just do a backup of YOUR apps, as-is, move over to the new ROM, restore apps and their settings, then go to the Market and update everything. Simple as that, and you shouldn't get any errors.

fachadick said:
it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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Thanks that definitely helps. Market-removed apps seems like a good reason to have it. (I already bought it just trying to determine how to use it anyways)
Ok so is it fair enough to say it has a relatively "niche" market with the addition of market backups? I hate to be a bull in the ChinaShop but it seems like people really tip toe around the idea of TB being outdated by market backups. I get the general idea of what you guys are saying but I'm trying to decide what I want to do in personal practice.
I don't think I've experienced any issues but who knows if I've had less than optimal performance because of restoring previous settings. Are there any "safe" items that can be backed up and restored or is nothing really "safe" they all have entries in sqlite database that might be duplicated?
Thanks again guys for humoring me

[Q] Apps not syncing after flashing CM 6.1

Ok so I flashed CM 6.1 and none of my apps came back down. I tried unchecking and re-checking the app-sync check button in settings and nothing came down. So I wiped, and loaded the stock ROM - and it doesn't sync them down either. Did checking the box that says "Back your data up" after setting up CM 6.1 do this? Also, I can't restore my nandroid backup from Clockwork Recovery. It brings me back to the setup app every time.

Looks like you might have a faulty back-up if you can't use it. I suggest removing that one and making a new one. Also, this is where you make the mental note of using Titanium Backup to back-up your apps, should this exact issue of your apps not showing up come back.
So see if you can do another nandroid backup that'll work, go through the pain-staking process of getting all your apps again, then fetch Titanium Backup and back them all up. I haven't had the issue of my apps not being installed after CM 6.1 was applied. I was actually surprised that they were being re-installed for me!

i flashed to CM 6.1 and not even a quarter of my apps appeared in the market.
anybody else have this prob and is there a fix?

Sv3nt3k said:
Looks like you might have a faulty back-up if you can't use it. I suggest removing that one and making a new one. Also, this is where you make the mental note of using Titanium Backup to back-up your apps, should this exact issue of your apps not showing up come back.
So see if you can do another nandroid backup that'll work, go through the pain-staking process of getting all your apps again, then fetch Titanium Backup and back them all up. I haven't had the issue of my apps not being installed after CM 6.1 was applied. I was actually surprised that they were being re-installed for me!
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I did all that beforehand, and it didn't restore anything (Titanium) my Nandroid backup from CW Recovery was probably bad. I tried to restore an older one after flashing back - and the md5 sum was invalid.
I have noticed that when I used to flash the 2.2 CM roms on my G1, it would only restore apps when you flashed another CM Rom. As though it starts collecting data after initial installation. There is a small checkbox that says "Backup data with Google" I think when this is checked it looks at your CURRENT apps which would be default because you just flashed.
I got everything back, it's all good. But it was just a small pain in my ass lol.

MERKJONES said:
I did all that beforehand, and it didn't restore anything (Titanium) my Nandroid backup from CW Recovery was probably bad. I tried to restore an older one after flashing back - and the md5 sum was invalid.
I have noticed that when I used to flash the 2.2 CM roms on my G1, it would only restore apps when you flashed another CM Rom. As though it starts collecting data after initial installation. There is a small checkbox that says "Backup data with Google" I think when this is checked it looks at your CURRENT apps which would be default because you just flashed.
I got everything back, it's all good. But it was just a small pain in my ass lol.
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What did you do to get your apps back? I am running into the same problem...

I just had to re-download em they sync now, cause I'm on CM 6.1 from CM whatever it was. I had this problem on my G1. Now I just do a titanium backup and be done with it.

MERKJONES said:
I just had to re-download em they sync now, cause I'm on CM 6.1 from CM whatever it was. I had this problem on my G1. Now I just do a titanium backup and be done with it.
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Redownload!!?!!! awwwww man, thanks for the help though. I too had this problem with the G1.

Aye yeah, I just went to Androlib.com and got the QR codes so I could do it fast. Once I got them loaded, they sync'd when I flashed the next CM.

MERKJONES said:
Aye yeah, I just went to Androlib.com and got the QR codes so I could do it fast. Once I got them loaded, they sync'd when I flashed the next CM.
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This website is amazing, never knew about it...

Blackman778g said:
This website is amazing, never knew about it...
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Aye, its my favorite. After the first one went down for whatever reason, AndroLib has been my savior in some cases. That and I'm lazy. Just pull up Barcode Scanner and scan away. I'm using titanium backup now to backup all my stuff...

How do you get Google Backup to Restore Apps (on gingerbread)

My understanding is that GingerBread (2.3.x) will handle automatically restoring your apps after a wipe or you switch between ROM (each with clean wipe).
It asks about "backing up google".
I'm currently using MikG 0.5 and was using MikG RC1 for quite a while (since it was released 3 weeks?).
I was hoping starting with a fresh wipe it would restore my apps but it does not.
I think on one of these gingerbread ROMs (I've tried a bunch) I think it did partially restore apps. Not just paid ones. I forget if it was complete or not.
Is there something explicit you have to do to make this all work?

mswlogo said:
My understanding is that GingerBread (2.3.x) will handle automatically restoring your apps after a wipe or you switch between ROM (each with clean wipe).
It asks about "backing up google".
I'm currently using MikG 0.5 and was using MikG RC1 for quite a while (since it was released 3 weeks?).
I was hoping starting with a fresh wipe it would restore my apps but it does not.
I think on one of these gingerbread ROMs (I've tried a bunch) I think it did partially restore apps. Not just paid ones. I forget if it was complete or not.
Is there something explicit you have to do to make this all work?
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That still seems to be hit or miss. Is there any reason you're not using Titanium Backup?

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That still seems to be hit or miss. Is there any reason you're not using Titanium Backup?
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Because I don't like it. Recently I wanted to use it for a piece of software for TTS I bought and was no longer available in the Market. And it completely fell on it's face. All I did was copy the APK from system from a restored back up and it installed fine.
I also don't want to restore potentially incompatible apps. I assume Google will trigger Market to install latest right from the start.
I also don't have to explicitly choose what to back up and what to restore.
I've seen the Google Stuff work, and it works well when it works.

mswlogo said:
Because I don't like it. Recently I wanted to use it for a piece of software for TTS I bought and was no longer available in the Market. And it completely fell on it's face. All I did was copy the APK from system from a restored back up and it installed fine.
I also don't want to restore potentially incompatible apps. I assume Google will trigger Market to install latest right from the start.
I also don't have to explicitly choose what to back up and what to restore.
I've seen the Google Stuff work, and it works well when it works.
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That's the problem. Honestly, TB can be complicated to use but what you're describing sounds like user error. You also don't have to explicitly choose what to backup and restore in TB either. Just go into Menu > Batch > Backup all user apps to backup and then Restore all user apps when you want to restore. Then just use the Market to update any out of date apps. It takes forever for the Market to get your apps back anyway, I always use TB and so does almost anyone else on a custom ROM.

Call me a purist, but I don't like Titanium Backup either. Granted, I don't use a ton of market apps, only about a dozen or so ... just not a problem. To get back to the original question, Google has always restored my apps on CM6/7, up to and including the 3-7 gapps. The newer gapps used with Android 2.3.4 are where everything began to break down.

-viperboy- said:
That's the problem. Honestly, TB can be complicated to use but what you're describing sounds like user error. You also don't have to explicitly choose what to backup and restore in TB either. Just go into Menu > Batch > Backup all user apps to backup and then Restore all user apps when you want to restore. Then just use the Market to update any out of date apps. It takes forever for the Market to get your apps back anyway, I always use TB and so does almost anyone else on a custom ROM.
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I don't want to back it up like that. I think it causes problems.
I backed up this app explicitly, went to restore explicitly and it didn't work. Pretty Simple.
I'd like the google feature. I want something that coordinates with the mark app and installs the instead if the backup is old.

mswlogo said:
I don't want to back it up like that. I think it causes problems.
I backed up this app explicitly, went to restore explicitly and it didn't work. Pretty Simple.
I'd like the google feature. I want something that coordinates with the mark app and installs the instead if the backup is old.
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Good luck

Back up /restore question.

I've got the eagle's blood ROM running now and am quite happy. I'm wondering what happens if I won't to try an other ROM. Will I loose all applications and settings? Only applications?
Should I do a full back up before flashing and a full recovery after? What is stirred in a back up? Settings. Or just apps?
Thanks for the run down

if you do a full back up its like taking a snap shot of everything you have the way you have it. So feel free to try any rom out there. I currently have two backups 1. is my current rom that I'm on right now and the other is stock. If you don't have it Id also suggest getting titianum back up and pay for it. It also takes a snap shot as well if you pay for it then it will keep all your settings and you can do a batch restore and restore all at once....

wondercoolguy said:
if you do a full back up its like taking a snap shot of everything you have the way you have it. So feel free to try any rom out there. I currently have two backups 1. is my current rom that I'm on right now and the other is stock. If you don't have it Id also suggest getting titianum back up and pay for it. It also takes a snap shot as well if you pay for it then it will keep all your settings and you can do a batch restore and restore all at once....
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I like to keep a number of backups around: Stock, StockDebloated, [MyCurrentRom Without any modifications], [MyCurrentRom with modifications], [OtherRomILikeToUse]
It takes up space and it takes time and patience to build up a library of backups but it makes flashing between different ROMs very easy and it lets me always be able to change things up at the drop of a hat.

pairustwo said:
I've got the eagle's blood ROM running now and am quite happy. I'm wondering what happens if I won't to try an other ROM. Will I loose all applications and settings? Only applications?
Should I do a full back up before flashing and a full recovery after? What is stirred in a back up? Settings. Or just apps?
Thanks for the run down
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1.) Yes! Full backup meaning Nandroid backup with CWR or Rom Manager, the later is an app from the creator of CWR so works while booted and reboots back to android automatically for you, less intervention by you. This is a fail safe so if you dont like new rom restore and its like you never left.
2.) If you switch to a different ROM, meaning not the update of the one you are currently running then you DO NOT full restore. Actually you NEVER full restore unless you are doing #1.) above. You only want to restore your apps with data and maybe some of your settings. Restored settings can sometimes cause problems as different ROMs can have things in different places from where the old settings came.
As mentioned titanium PRO/donate version is well worth it. It will allow you to reinstall your apps and data for those apps i.e. passwords, names, personal info. It does so by color coding what is (potentially) safe to reinstall and shows what not should be reinstalled i.e. red items or system files from the previous rom(s). The difference from that and a data restore with CWR is titanium lets you select/deselect what you want to restore.

So let me see if I understand this.
If I wan't to change ROMs - but keep my applications and as many settings as possible - I should use Titanium Backup.
Any CWM back up will simply take a snapshot of the current ROM with Applications and would be no use in restoring applications only to a New ROM.

pairustwo said:
So let me see if I understand this.
If I wan't to change ROMs - but keep my applications and as many settings as possible - I should use Titanium Backup.
Any CWM back up will simply take a snapshot of the current ROM with Applications and would be no use in restoring applications only to a New ROM.
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You want to do a back up of rom regardless so if something goes wrong you can flash back to the it. You use titanium to back up all your apps and data so when you boot into your newly flashed rom you can have titanium restore all your apps and data.

Titanium backup question, please halp meh...

Ok I have a lot of backups stored in TI, but I am wanting to re flash my ROM and wipe data ect..
My question is can I somehow make a backup of just the apps that are installed on my phone right now, so when I start to put the apps back I can flash all the apps I have now instead of going and unchecking all the apps I don't want installed right now?
I hope that makes sence, I'm not good at expressing what's in my brain onto txt...
Thx for help.
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Would be good if there was a question lol
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There is a question..
And the answer is yes, select batch back up and only select the files you want to install, instead of just selecting all.
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I know how to do that. But I have a lot of apps that are backed up but not installed so it would take a while.
I just want to know if there is a quicker way.
I guess I could ask like this;
Is there a way to backup all current installed apps, then flash a new ROM or wipe data, and then re-install just the apps that u just then backed up? Completly ignoring all other backups of apps that are stored there.
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evilsock said:
I know how to do that. But I have a lot of apps that are backed up but not installed so it would take a while.
I just want to know if there is a quicker way.
I guess I could ask like this;
Is there a way to backup all current installed apps, then flash a new ROM or wipe data, and then re-install just the apps that u just then backed up? Completly ignoring all other backups of apps that are stored there.
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Yes, you can backup the current apps installed. There's an APP in the market called App Backup & Restore. This backs up all apps in your phone (giving you the option to check/uncheck which ones you dont want) and allows you to restore those apps with ease.
Check it out...I hope this is what you're looking for!

You could also back them up with a nandroid and do an advanced restore data and get all your current apps back.

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You could also back them up with a nandroid and do an advanced restore data and get all your current apps back.
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You and I seem to think alike kenny, but you're always a bit ahead of me! I was thinking this same thing, or the other option, still in TB, would be to batch restore and then click the box "deselect all" so then you only have to go through and check the ones you want instead of unchecking the ones you don't. I think this was mentioned before as well.

I was wondering if you could provide a bit more info on the advanced restore data. I know it's an option available in CWM, but I'm wondering if there are situations where it wouldn't work as well as using some backup app. I think I read that if you were switching versions, like Froyo to Gingerbread, it probably wouldn't work well. But I've got the nandroid backup from EI22, just after I rooted and applied the GPS fix and silent camera mod, and I think the custom ROMs I've seen lately are all based on that, so would it work OK? The advanced restore of data seems like it would be a bit easier (or at least simpler) than using an app, but I don't know too much about how it works. Any clarifications about this would be appreciated. Thanks.

Dronak said:
I was wondering if you could provide a bit more info on the advanced restore data. I know it's an option available in CWM, but I'm wondering if there are situations where it wouldn't work as well as using some backup app. I think I read that if you were switching versions, like Froyo to Gingerbread, it probably wouldn't work well. But I've got the nandroid backup from EI22, just after I rooted and applied the GPS fix and silent camera mod, and I think the custom ROMs I've seen lately are all based on that, so would it work OK? The advanced restore of data seems like it would be a bit easier (or at least simpler) than using an app, but I don't know too much about how it works. Any clarifications about this would be appreciated. Thanks.
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It should work fine. It only restores 3rd party apps and data and the data folder of your phone. The other stuff should be in your phones system folder.

Well personally I would just do a clockwork backup like the previous guys said, and then advanced restore my data onto the new rom. I've been doing this with Rom installs for 2 years and it's always worked pretty well.
Anyways, if you really wanted to use TB that bad to do it, I would go into your SD card folder, copy the TB folder onto the computer (All your old backups you don't want to get rid of would be in here) Delete the TB Folder on your SD card, then re-run TB again. Do a batch backup of all your apps (that you have currently installed). If you ever want any of the old backups of apps you don't currently use, they'll always be on the computer.

Make a new label & add all the apps you have installed right now & and that you want to restore on your new rom. Then when your new rom setup is ready to restore apps just filter that label you made & bach restore
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Anyways, if you really wanted to use TB that bad to do it, I would go into your SD card folder, copy the TB folder onto the computer (All your old backups you don't want to get rid of would be in here) Delete the TB Folder on your SD card, then re-run TB again. Do a batch backup of all your apps (that you have currently installed). If you ever want any of the old backups of apps you don't currently use, they'll always be on the computer.
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Heh, exactly what I was getting ready to recommend, as this is a very easy way to do exactly what he wants
Thanks for saving me from having to type it out