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So, what's the most noob friendly froyo rom for the desire?

with the sense stuff i use having an alternative now, what would be the most stable 2.2 release recommended for a rooting/phone flashing virgin?
Or is it better to wait for that cyanogenmod one to come out?
ta all.
p,s i would like to use my camcorder on my phone

I could be wrong but I don't think camcorder works on any 2.2 rom for desire.
That aside, don't worry about losing sense. It really isn't as big a deal as you'd imagine.
For me the only downside (at least on the few ROMS I've tried) is that you seem to lose HTC sync functionality. I must admit syncing with Outlook is my fave option. With 2.2 roms I've had to go to the trouble of syncing contacts etc with GMAIL then syncing back to the phone that way. It's become a bit ugly and I must say a bit of an irritation. HTC favourites aren't supported but Android Starred is now. It was painless coming from WinMob with Sense to 2.1 with Sense. Android 2.2 has been a little harder but nothing you can't navigate if you have the mind.

danbst said:
I could be wrong but I don't think camcorder works on any 2.2 rom for desire.
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hmm, i was under the impression that 1 or 2 did.
danbst said:
That aside, don't worry about losing sense. It really isn't as big a deal as you'd imagine.
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yeah, pure messenger seems to replace a few, and beautiful widgets replaces most of the rest iirc. launcher pro does the trick also.
danbst said:
For me the only downside (at least on the few ROMS I've tried) is that you seem to lose HTC sync functionality. I must admit syncing with Outlook is my fave option. With 2.2 roms I've had to go to the trouble of syncing contacts etc with GMAIL then syncing back to the phone that way. It's become a bit ugly and I must say a bit of an irritation. HTC favourites aren't supported but Android Starred is now. It was painless coming from WinMob with Sense to 2.1 with Sense. Android 2.2 has been a little harder but nothing you can't navigate if you have the mind.
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don't think i'll mind it much if i get apps2sd. i'm constantly finding nice useful new apps and games i want and my damn phone always has that 'running low on space' icon on it.

The video recording doesn't work on any 2.2 froyo rom. This requires a new radio (baseband) from HTC.
HTC Sync won't work untill HTC release their official rom.
As far as noob friendly goes... The actual rooting process is the same no matter what rom you decide to eventually install. Once rooted you can download rom manager and use that to chop and change between roms.
I'd say you should try a few roms that are posted in the dev section and decide for yourself which you like. They are currently almost all identicle. The only differences are some have theming, and some have apps added/removed. There are 2 main devs, paul obrien, and richardtrip. All the froyo roms are based on their work.

I was reading that CyanogenMod6 will have video recording in it once its released.

jmonfu said:
I was reading that CyanogenMod6 will have video recording in it once its released.
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Where did you read that?

in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709161

jmonfu said:
in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709161
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I was following that thread and don't recall anything saying that 6 would have the video recording. I know they had it working in 5.0.8 but that was a 2.1 based rom. If they get it working, then happy days.

ok reading it again, does not mention that 100% will be fixed.
This is one of the posts
"I am shure CyanogenMod 6 will have all those echo and video problems fixed.
Beno already fixed videorecording on 5.0.8 AFAIK... but now 6.0 has priority!"
I am new to all this so I might have understood wrongly, but I think CyanogenMod 6 will be the first ROM I will try to install on my device

hmm, well, here's hoping it comes out soon. don't want to flash too often.
i'm debating just going for a 2.1 rom with a2sd since space is my pet peeve.
then in a few weeks go for the (hopefully) fixed 2.2?

is there any stable 2.1 rom with a2sd and camcorder working? a2sd is the main reason I want to flash

jmonfu said:
is there any stable 2.1 rom with a2sd and camcorder working? a2sd is the main reason I want to flash
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Have a look in the dev section, at Pays Rocksolid, and Bravesoul roms.

cheers mate. Will do.
A noob question, I have a 4G card at the moment and ordered an 8G which is due shortly. If I flash and install a rom on the 4G card, will i be able to copy it on the new 8G card, or do I have to do the process again on the 8G card?

Your rom isn't flashed to the SD card, it's flashed to the phones internal memory.
When you get your new card, connect your phone to the pc, and copy everything off the old card, then put the new card on and copy it all back.

ah ok I get it, so its like a normal OS. Great will try this soon. How long does all the process of Flashing and installing a new ROM take normally?

Flashing a new ROM, including wiping the data etc normally doesn't take more than 5 minutes.

oh great, thought it took longer. Have experience with WM flashing, but not Android.

Making a nandroid backup is the most time consuming step in flashing =)

will have to search for that term

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Flashing a new ROM, including wiping the data etc normally doesn't take more than 5 minutes.
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when you wipe the partion on SD to flash rom then flash back a nandroid backup does this partition card or do you need to wipe, partition then flash nandroid?

Migrating to Sense

So far, I've only used AOSP ROMs (DevNull and Oxygen) since I rooted my phone. Personally, I like it better because I like simplicity, and the idea of a stock ROM appealed to me.
But there seems to be a problem with AOSP ROMs, the call delay issue. Although people say they hardly notice it, I get 3-4 seconds delay every time and I find myself going like "Yes. Hello. Hello? Are you there?" every time I answer a call. I've heard that the problem is AOSP-specific, because of some libs Google uses, and that HTC use their own libs which do not present this issue.
So yesterday I backed everything up and got ready to try LeeDroid. But after installation, I could not get the ROM to boot nor the SD card to mount. I eventually fixed the problem by repartitioning the SD card, and I'm now running DevNull. I'd also like to mention that I'm S-OFFed, was running CWM 3.1.0.1 and had the Oxygen HBOOT before installing the Stock one back.
Now, I'd like to know how I am supposed to correctly switch to a Sense ROM coming from an AOSP one, as well as some opinion as to which is the cleanest, reasonably fast Sense ROM available out there. Perhaps some thoughts on kernels, too.
Thanks in advance!

I am on RcmixS 1.6.2 at the moment and working well.
Do full wipethen flash the rom, that is it. Enjoy.

I did perform a full wipe before installing.

What version are you trying to install? At the start the GB version didn't like the newer versions of CWM, also hboot versions were an issue too. I haven't really been keeping up because I went back to 2.4.1 till an actual GB release. Check it out those might be causing you trouble.
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I've downloaded InsertCoin and I plan on installing it later today, as now I've got some stuff to finish. If it doesn't work, I'll try downgrading CWM. Thanks!

You need to use the stock 250MB HBOOT - obviously a Sense-based ROM is too large for the Oxygen one

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You need to use the stock 250MB HBOOT - obviously a Sense-based ROM is too large for the Oxygen one
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Try AuraxTSense, i have been back and forth between most of the Sense ROMS & this is the one i come back too.
ALWAYS

I've given InsertCoin a try yesterday, but I didn't like it as it was way too laggy (as in I usually had to touch something twice for anything to happen).
I think I'm going to try each one today and see what I'll end up using. I'll post my opinions here.
@EddyOS I did use the stock HBOOT with LeeDroid, but I downloaded the CM7 version of InsertCoin.
@3f1f37 I'll give it a try, thanks!

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I've given InsertCoin a try yesterday, but I didn't like it as it was way too laggy (as in I usually had to touch something twice for anything to happen).
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laggy? twice touching ?
Are you trying to touch things during the first minutes of the first boot after flashing??
Let the ROM settle about 5-10 mins after first boot, your phone will be blazing fast afterwards.
InsertCoin 1.0.7 CM7 (Gongerbread; Sense 2.1 + 3.0; 130MB) is one of the fastest and the most stable Sense ROMs currently available,I use it also.

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laggy? twice touching ?
Are you trying to touch things during the first minutes of the first boot after flashing??
Let the ROM settle about 5-10 mins after first boot, your phone will be blazing fast afterwards.
InsertCoin 1.0.7 CM7 (Gongerbread; Sense 2.1 + 3.0; 130MB) is one of the fastest and the most stable Sense ROMs currently available,I use it also.
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I too felt it was very laggy. CM7 version, with CM7 hboot, 1GBext. even the typing was bad, had to retype messages because it would start to lag out and miss letters
i dont know what i could have done wrong to get such a horrible experience. maybe you can enlighten me?

@aaa I've overall had a laggy experience even one day after installing it.
@ringer13 what ROM have you eventually settled to? Thanks!
I'm currently trying CoolD, or something like that, because the ZIP only has 144 MB. I also tried installing HiApk (it has 138 MB), but the download was damaged or something, it didn't pass the verification process in Amon_RA 2. But I will redownload it if I'm dissatisfied with CoolD.

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@ringer13 what ROM have you eventually settled to? Thanks!
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cyanogenmod7 ive found most gb sense roms way too laggy so went with aosp

I'll have to agree with that. My HiApk ZIP was corrupted and after booting CoolD, all I got was Force Close for all the apps, including the launcher.
I didn't bother anymore, so I went on and installed Oxygen 2.1.3. It works like a charm.

Well it is true that u have to sacrifice speed, but the benefits from the sense are worthing the less smooth response, and mostly it is hardly noticeable...
Sent from my HTC Desire

I know the speed comparison of AOSP and Sense, I have used both.
The only thing I have not used is MIUI...saw it on youtube, and hate it right away...
I know AOSP is always faster than Sense but Sense in generally especially InsertCoin is not so bad so that you had to touch things twice before getting any response.
Moreover, InsertCoin is one of the fastest Sense ROMs you can find.
If you had to touch everything twice until you got any response from your phone, check if you have massive processes on the background caused by any other apps/syncs or some problems with your SD card.

[Q] Advice on Installing a New ROM

So, I have been rooted for ages.
I liked rooting because it was simple to follow the instructions on what to do (it was just like installing any old application on a PC if I remember). I haven't exactly explored the full features of rooting as I am just an average user but now I am finding I want more apps than the phone will allow, so it's time to get a new ROM.
Here's Some Information:
HTC Desire - Unbranded (UK)
Rooted with Clockwork Mod
S-Off Status: Don't know
Android: 2.2
Software: 2.29.405.5
Why Do I Want to Get a New ROM?
Space issues really.
I am nearly constantly warned these days about low space. I've been running with about 30Mb to spare, but now when I update various apps, it moans at me. It also means I am limited to what I can now install, even though I may only use the app once every few months.
My battery life is good (well, 2-3 days) and everything else is fine, it's just the space issue that I need to solve.
What ROM's Have I Looked At?
Starburst:
Seems to be to be the one I need, although I perhaps am being narrow minded with the whole "I want sense" and "I need the DATA2SD" thing.
CyanogenMod:
Seems nice, but no Sense? Maybe I can pull away from Sense as really I only use the clock/weather, the larger weather, calendar, a little bit FriendStream, but I am happy without FriendStream and HTC Peep I could install by itself or go without it (I can just text Twitter). There are many calendar apps and again, it might be possible to install it as a stand alone app, or I might find one that is simply better.
Someone else suggested LeeDroid which I've heard a lot about too, although I haven't really looked into it.
So, I have a few questions now:
Should I be looking to upgrade to Gingerbread?
Is Sense 3.5 a good way to go?
Is there a ROM that has the DATA2SD with Sense 3.5?
I have read that Titanium Backup will allow me to save all the apps and their data/saved games somewhere and then it's just a one-touch-install to have them all back again, is that correct?
Will some ROM's allow me to delete/choose not to install things like Teeter?
If I install a new ROM, I can put it back to a standard stock ROM correct? Just so when I come to sell the phone on, it's back to what it was.
When I've installed a custom ROM, I can still use the Market/App Brain to update apps correct?
I think that's it.
I don't really want to be installing one ROM, then deciding it's rubbish so installing another, then another, I'd just like an informed view. I think my main aim is ease of install. I'm not very confident with adb, although I can obviously follow "type this and that" step by step guides.
If anyone has any other suggestions then that would be great.
Thanks

I don't know all the answers, but I'll try to answer some. I had the same problem as you did.
Is Sense 3.5 a good way to go?
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I found that Sense 3.0, Sense 2.1+3.0 hybrids were very slow(I guess this applies for Sense 3.5 since it's newer than 3.0)
I have read that Titanium Backup will allow me to save all the apps and their data/saved games somewhere and then it's just a one-touch-install to have them all back again, is that correct?
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Yes.
Will some ROM's allow me to delete/choose not to install things like Teeter?
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Most Sense ROMs are pretty stripped of crap like that. However if you do have it you can uninstall it afterwards.
If I install a new ROM, I can put it back to a standard stock ROM correct? Just so when I come to sell the phone on, it's back to what it was.
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Do a backup before flashing a new ROM! That way you will have your old ROM. However I'm not sure about how to unroot, but it is possible.
When I've installed a custom ROM, I can still use the Market/App Brain to update apps correct?
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Yes.
P.S. My first try was CyanongenMod, and I haven't regretted it since. Almost every Sense app/widget can be replaced by apps in the market.

Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
Moving to Q&A

Man, I thought this forum was busy and there'd be loads of recommendations.
Seems not :/

I believe Sense 3.0 is good enough since Sense 3.5 ROM is not yet stable.
Cool3d / Aurora has good performance. But you need to S-OFF your phone first. It's very important before jumping into ROM that requires ext4 and CM7

sense 3.5 roms aren't booting.

I'm not really sure what the problem could be, since nobody else seems to be experiencing this.
I'm currently running cm7 flawlessly, but whenever I flash a 3.5 sense rom (I've tried runnydroid and rcmix4.0) I get stuck in a bootloop, and yes, I tried downloading them multiple times, I don't think it's a broken download.
each time I Wipe data/cache/dalvic via clockwork and then flash, and I get caught in a bootloop and am forced to restore my cm7 nandroid backup.
I can flash ilwt without these issues as well (although the ilwt customizations don't work for me; here's my ilwt.txt if anyone wants to point out whats wrong for me https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QCRjA1M_k7vZaosnA9sEiFY6aK07COtNq4xonFK1Kh8/edit )
thanks in advance.

for sense 3+ you need the dezire hboot:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/2011/06/t-mobile-g2-users-migrating-to-desirez.html

thank you. I guess I'll try it later then, but I'm also kind of hesitant because it's kinda alot to do if I'm going to flash back to cm. I'd rather have the speed of stock android then a bogged down sense, but it all depends on how fast these new sense roms are.
I'm still confused about why my ilwt customizations aren't working though.

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thank you. I guess I'll try it later then, but I'm also kind of hesitant because it's kinda alot to do if I'm going to flash back to cm. I'd rather have the speed of stock android then a bogged down sense, but it all depends on how fast these new sense roms are.
I'm still confused about why my ilwt customizations aren't working though.
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If you do the hboot thats the only time you'll need to do it and all AOSP roms (meaning cyanogen and such) will still work so yes its a lot of effort for just sense ROMs but you don't lose anything
Sense 3.5 ROMs are a little slow even with swap, they aren't horrible but still, i would suggest more a sense 3 ROM such as unity
For ILWT did you place the file in the correct location? : SDcard/ILWT

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If you do the hboot thats the only time you'll need to do it and all AOSP roms (meaning cyanogen and such) will still work so yes its a lot of effort for just sense ROMs but you don't lose anything
Sense 3.5 ROMs are a little slow even with swap, they aren't horrible but still, i would suggest more a sense 3 ROM such as unity
For ILWT did you place the file in the correct location? : SDcard/ILWT
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I think I had an old version of the lwt text file that he was using as an example, rather than the one he linked for download, anyway, I got that to work now.
I do understand that the Hboot is a 1 time thing, but it will leave me with a little bit less internal storage than before (not that I'd be using it all anyway)

[Q] Doubts regarding OS version

Hello everyone,
a quick summary of the situation: I got a wildfire S from my girlfriend, complaining for too little space for apps. I decided to go for the rooting procedure (I did it last year with my p500, but my memories are kinda foggy). The phone info are as follows:
Android 2.3.5, HTC sense 2.1, software number 2.26.401.3, baseband 47.23e.35.3038H_7.57.39.10M
So now it's rooted, with recovery, and ready to be used with link2sd. Here come my doubts:
- first of all, I did a backup using the recovery, which I understand is a nandroid back up. Does it mean I am safe and I will be able to go back to square one every time I feel like it?
- the phone itself works fine with its own stock rom. The real main issue was the lack of space for apps. Now that I also rooted it, I might even get rid of some of the HTC apps that are quite annoying. Point is: does it make sense to "clean up" the stock rom, or should I go for a cooked rom instead?
- and here's where we come to the title of the thread: I'm having a hard time finding a ROM that is a clean version of the stock one. It seems like everyone wants to go for the latest version of the OS, but doing so seems to me a trade off with stability and compatibility. Shouldn't it be easy to find a simple ROM based on 2.3.x, with everything working, but cleaned of all the crap installed by HTC (not the sense interface per se, I don't mind that, but some of the other apps seem kind of useless to me). Am I missing something?
Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing in any way, I'm only trying to understand. I feel like I am missing lots of pieces of the puzzle
So, if anyone has 5 minutes to spare and wants a big "thank you", any insight and or suggestion will be very appreciated.

prodeguerriero said:
Hello everyone,
a quick summary of the situation: I got a wildfire S from my girlfriend, complaining for too little space for apps. I decided to go for the rooting procedure (I did it last year with my p500, but my memories are kinda foggy). The phone info are as follows:
Android 2.3.5, HTC sense 2.1, software number 2.26.401.3, baseband 47.23e.35.3038H_7.57.39.10M
So now it's rooted, with recovery, and ready to be used with link2sd. Here come my doubts:
- first of all, I did a backup using the recovery, which I understand is a nandroid back up. Does it mean I am safe and I will be able to go back to square one every time I feel like it?
- the phone itself works fine with its own stock rom. The real main issue was the lack of space for apps. Now that I also rooted it, I might even get rid of some of the HTC apps that are quite annoying. Point is: does it make sense to "clean up" the stock rom, or should I go for a cooked rom instead?
- and here's where we come to the title of the thread: I'm having a hard time finding a ROM that is a clean version of the stock one. It seems like everyone wants to go for the latest version of the OS, but doing so seems to me a trade off with stability and compatibility. Shouldn't it be easy to find a simple ROM based on 2.3.x, with everything working, but cleaned of all the crap installed by HTC (not the sense interface per se, I don't mind that, but some of the other apps seem kind of useless to me). Am I missing something?
Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing in any way, I'm only trying to understand. I feel like I am missing lots of pieces of the puzzle
So, if anyone has 5 minutes to spare and wants a big "thank you", any insight and or suggestion will be very appreciated.
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Yes you can go back when you want to
There are some cooked stock roms that support init.d and some other stuff. So tweaking the rom is possible. Link2sd isn't enough for maximum storage so you can partition your SD card and try cronmod int2ext
If you like stable and reliable stock rom then I guess you can give this a try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37855587
This rom has all the HTC apps but you can remove it and the storage will greatly increase if you use int2ext so it doesn't really matter
There are always other roms such as cm7 and cm9 which are quite stable too
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S using xda app-developers app

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Yes you can go back when you want to
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Nice, time to save it on my computer too then.
There are some cooked stock roms that support init.d and some other stuff. So tweaking the rom is possible. Link2sd isn't enough for maximum storage so you can partition your SD card and try cronmod int2ext
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init.d allows loading scripts at boot, right? Why do you say thath Link2sd isn't enough? I've been playing with it a bit yesterday, monitoring space usage with diskusage and appears to do what it is supposed to.
If you like stable and reliable stock rom then I guess you can give this a try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37855587
This rom has all the HTC apps but you can remove it and the storage will greatly increase if you use int2ext so it doesn't really matter
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Thanks, I'll give them a shot. Just out of curiosity, to remove the HTC apps I can use link2sd, right? From what I understand, deleting system apps does not give more space because the system and data partition maintain the same size. So I might as well freeze them instead of removing them. Is this the reason you suggest to use int2ext?
There are always other roms such as cm7 and cm9 which are quite stable too
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Besides the coolness of having the most recent OS, how would you rate the trade off between plus and minuses of going for the newer version? As in "youtube doesn't work, but the OS i sooooooo much better that I don't care" kind of thing.
Thanks a lot man!

prodeguerriero said:
Nice, time to save it on my computer too then.
init.d allows loading scripts at boot, right? Why do you say thath Link2sd isn't enough? I've been playing with it a bit yesterday, monitoring space usage with diskusage and appears to do what it is supposed to.
Thanks, I'll give them a shot. Just out of curiosity, to remove the HTC apps I can use link2sd, right? From what I understand, deleting system apps does not give more space because the system and data partition maintain the same size. So I might as well freeze them instead of removing them. Is this the reason you suggest to use int2ext?
Besides the coolness of having the most recent OS, how would you rate the trade off between plus and minuses of going for the newer version? As in "youtube doesn't work, but the OS i sooooooo much better that I don't care" kind of thing.
Thanks a lot man!
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Yeap. Because if you use link2sd you'll eventually reach a limit as I tried. And the storage will keep gettig full.
Yeap you can use link2sd I personally like to remove it because the menu looks messy and I have to scroll a lot to find my favourite apps so its your choice on whether you wanna remove it or not because int2ext increases your storage as it mounts sd-ext to.... I don't really get this stuff too but whatever
So far the latest android for the wfs is cm10. It is quite stable as YouTube, autobrightness and loads of stuff work. But the disadvantage is that its quite laggy and is a battery killer.
There is cm9 too. Its really smooth but there are bugs such as YouTube HQ videos playback, camcorder not fully supported and crap
Anytime happy to help
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