i´m thinking about retiring my Hero. But i can´t make a decision about Optimus 2x, optimus 3d o SE Xperia Arc.
I realise Arc isn´t that fast, but it´s got an amazing design, camera and ithink that the screen should be great. On the other hand, i don´t know if it´s going to be supported for that long two years of contract with the operator.
The other altenative are the LGs, far more powerfull, support (official or unoffical) it´s quite guaranted and they seem more durable for that 2 years.
So, what do you think? Is the Arc enough to handle android update for 2 years? Or should i buy one of the Lgs (which i don´t really like at all) to be sure about it support android updates?
Thanks for answering and excuse me for my english, i´m trying to improve it!
SE has been keeping up nicely with their support for the play and the arc. The new releases and update to the android os is actually really fast compared to all the companies except for the googles nexus phones.
Sony already announced 2.3.4 for September. I believe their attitude towards people who already bought a phone from them has changed recently. They realized that they need us to buy another from them in two years in order to keep their market shares up..
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Well, i own two out of the three you are choosing from and eventhough the lg has more opportunities to tweak at the moment, custom rom wise, and has dual core, I still prefer using my arc.
Its fast and stable enough for me, and the looks are just stunning. Of course playing games like riptide gp on the lg is amazing but I am not a big gamer.
from my Arc or Optimus 2x
I know the arc´s appearence is just amazing, wonderfull display and so. BUT i´m not sure about the custom roms realease, i mean, i actually got a Hero, and still developing roms for it. If i knew that in 24 month time from now they´d still keep on developing for the Arc, it´d be my new phone.
So i consider the Lg option bacause of that, i asume that the 2x as well as the 3d will have custom roms in 24 moths time quite sure, but no so with the Arc
Sony are far more likely IMO to provide long-term support for the Arc than LG are for their Optimus handsets.
LG pledged to provide a minimum of one major Android update to each of their handsets but since the 2X and 3D ship with 2.2, all LG has to do is update them to Gingerbread and they could drop all support then without breaking their word.
Obviously custom ROMs are a completely different matter and it's impossible to predict how things will play out for either handset.
As you say yourself, you're assuming that the LGs will still have support in a couple of years time.
But that's all it is, an assumption.
Well, i´ve almost made my mind about this about a 75%. I´ll choose the Optimus 3D because of this:
1- Xperia Arc´s got an awesome design and camera. But it´s got last-year hardware and and don´t think it´ll last me that long 24 moths.
2- Optimus 2X i also awesome, dual core and so. But, it´s kind of "included on the 3D". I mean, the 3D is like a 2X with bigger screen, tri-dual and 3D capabilities.
3- The 3D is the most powerfull phone, excellent for multimedia and costs me 0€ in vodafone SP.
Any advice is still thanked.
When you say you 'don´t think it´ll last me that long 24 moths', what do you mean exactly?
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When you say you 'don´t think it´ll last me that long 24 moths', what do you mean exactly?
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The contract i´m getting in Vodafone SP last for 24 months, i know, abusive. And that´s beacuse i want a phone that´d be able to run android updates for taht long. I realize it´s difficult to predict it, but i think the 3D has power enough inside for it, but the Arc seems unlikely to run android for that long. Finally, i believe that the 3D will have more custom roms movement and ports, we´ll see.....
I know i´m posting in the Arc forum and i also know that you all have chosed the Arc, i respect it because it´s still one of my options, but i also think it´s on disadvantage with the optimus.
Thank for your interest anyway.
24 month contracts are the norm in the UK, I understand that.
It was the part about the phone 'lasting' that long.
One last thing to consider is the warranty.
LG only give you one year, SE give you two.
Step666 said:
24 month contracts are the norm in the UK, I understand that.
It was the part about the phone 'lasting' that long.
One last thing to consider is the warranty.
LG only give you one year, SE give you two.
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Is spain laws oblidge carrieres to give 2 years warranty as a standart.
For "last" i undersrtand handling android updates. I´m sure it´ll do great with 2.3, hope so on 2.4 icecream sandwich, but not sure about custom roms..... will it be as much as is 2X? Who knows...
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Hi, I'm asking for some opinions from Defy owners, please.
A friend of mine is looking to get a new phone on contract (UK), around the £15/20mth mark. I'm an old hand with Android (mostly HTC handsets though) and therefore his first port of call for advice. I am however a bit strapped for time at the moment, and can't scour all the forums for the info I need to make my recommendations.
I'm pretty sure that I'll tell him to get a Defy or an LG Optimus One.
Looking at the specs it seems like the Defy is the winner on pretty much all counts:
Screen: Defy 3.7" 480x854 Optimus 3.2" 320x480
RAM: Both 512MB
ROM: Defy 1.9GB Optimus 512MB
Battery: Defy 1540mAh Optimus 1500mAh
Camera: Defy 5MP Optimus 3.1MP
So, what is the problem I hear you cry? Well, as we all know, hardware specs don't tell the whole story. From the little I've read about the LG software, it's pretty close to vanilla Android - and it's 2.2 as well. The Defy has the overhead of Motoblur and is running on 2.1. And we all know how Motorola treats updates on Android.
What I want to know is this: what is the Defy like on a day to day basis, with the stock UK ROM? My friend will not want to root (or have me do it for him) - he just wants a phone that works out of the box.
Also, you will probably be able to save me a lot of searching if you answer this question - has Motorola said anything about updating the Defy to Froyo? If so, when? LG has committed to upgrading the Optimus One to Gingerbread - I know that will never happen for the Defy, but Froyo would be nice.
Also, any other relevant info you think I ought to know would be greatly appreciated, ie. known faults, bugs etc. I realise it must have the locked Moto bootloader.
Thanks!
I believe you've summed it up pretty well, and believe that your friend will like the defy out of the box over the optimus for all the reasons you mentioned, not to mention this thing is far more accident-resistant over the optimus. As for Froyo, official roms have already been released in several markets so I would assume all markets will get it officially. As you know, there are plenty of unofficial froyo roms and some without blur that work great on here if you want to go that route (but doesn't sound like you have the time to).
As for moto-blur, it's not that bad...I have two (one for me and one for wife), mine's rooted and overclocked among some other things and running launcher pro (so technically still has blur but it's not launched)...and hers is stock, sure my quadrant score is higher than hers, but for the day to day tasks that 95% users are using, the stock works great and is snappy. I really can't see much difference in speed between hers and mine with most stuff that we do on it. That being said, sounds like your friend isn't going to be in the 5% like those on this forum and therefore the need to go all out with the phone and have to hack the crap out of it, so I believe the stock defy should make a happy friend... But...that's MHO and everyone's preference is different!
btw, I played with the optimus when I was shopping phones, and went with defy...loving every second!
Thanks for that. I posted the same question over in the Optimus One forums, and they all recommended the Defy as well! So, problem solved I guess.
Are there any known issues with the Defy? I'm sure I read somewhere about the headphone port failing regularly, as well as the speaker packing in as well?
yea there were a headspeaker issues ...but thats fixed in newer versions of the phone, so it shouldnt be a problem
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yea there were a headspeaker issues ...but thats fixed in newer versions of the phone, so it shouldnt be a problem
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That's good to know, thanks.
OK, So I'm shopping for a new phone,
I've been enjoying getting my feet wet with a comparatively low end model & am becoming somewhat addicted to constantly tinkering, have managed to compile my own kernel and now feel the need for an upgrade.
This (Desire Z) is currently at the top of my list as it seems to be well supported by the dev community & I really want a qwerty keypad!
So, as users of this phone & knowing what you know now...
Would you buy this phone again?
Well, I love my Z and i think it works fast and the keyboard is amazing. But the problem these days is: Dual core phones are coming out a lot right now, and even the fast processor of the G2 can't compare to that. So, as much as i love my Desire Z, I would wait a while for a Dual Core HTC (like the Pyramid).
But ofcourse: If you REALLY want a phone right now, a Desire Z with an Otterbox Commuter case is my recommendation! (since I personally love the Otterbox case, hehe.)
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Well, I love my Z and i think it works fast and the keyboard is amazing. But the problem these days is: Dual core phones are coming out a lot right now, and even the fast processor of the G2 can't compare to that. So, as much as i love my Desire Z, I would wait a while for a Dual Core HTC (like the Pyramid).
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Cool, thanks for the input...
I hear what you're saying, my thinking right now is that in order to learn more about kernel & ROM development, is that I should be getting something that has a good amount of hacking & dev work behind it already.
The newer phones are less charted waters & I'm not experienced enough to be a pioneer
Will be sure to look at the otterbox case
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Cool, thanks for the input...
I hear what you're saying, my thinking right now is that in order to learn more about kernel & ROM development, is that I should be getting something that has a good amount of hacking & dev work behind it already.
The newer phones are less charted waters & I'm not experienced enough to be a pioneer
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Yep, that's also true. And indeed, there is alof of development going on for the Desire Z, it's great. And so many awesome roms to choose from as well.
As Hubba88 said, at this point, I'd wait for a dual core like the HTC Pyramid/Sensation. But, I love my G2 and am very happy with the purchase. Great keyboard, capacitive buttons are in the right place, very responsive trackpad. All in all typically great HTC build quality. CyanogenMod support is a huge plus as well for this phone.
If I knew that the z hinge was going to be so ****ty no,I would not buy it again. I'd go for a unibody design instead.
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If the keyboard is important to you, as well as the tinkering aspect, then I reckon this is a good phone.
Not sure there has been much talk of dual core's with keyboards? So a real Desire Z upgrade may be some way beyond the next few HTC phones. Even then when they come out it takes time to build the developer base behind it and get rooting sorted etc. I moved a month and a bit ago and reckon there will be nothing to make me desperately want an upgrade for at least a year.
Look how well the desire has done and still does. The DZ has a better processor and more storage on board etc. The overclockability of the chip seems to be something that will extend its lifespan in terms of performance against the newer phones.
Always worth remembering that there is often quite a difference between phones being rumoured, then announced, and then actually on sale and being hacked. Therefore if a desire Z replacement is not yet in the rumours, it will likely be quite a while before its out there in the real world.
So yeah, I think its a good phone, although not perfect.
As I have insurance with my contract I will be OK with any problems with the Hinge - but none so far.
I voted yes but if I were in the market for a phone now I'd wait till the G2x was available and compare side by side. I suspect I'd get that one because it's newer, faster and has a more future proof AT&T compatible radio.
Thanks all for your input so far,
I've been following the Official thread on which phone should I get for some weeks which does talk about the latest & greatest dual core's an awful lot, but, as I said above the support & dev work that has gone into the DZ already is probably the biggest factor for me, it should give me a good base to work/learn from.
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Look how well the desire has done and still does. The DZ has a better processor and more storage on board etc. The overclockability of the chip seems to be something that will extend its lifespan in terms of performance against the newer phones.
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I saw in Hubba88's sig that 1.3Ghz is achievable, that seems more than fast enough given the apps that are currently available. I'm thinking it will take a while for any apps to be taking advantage of dual cores...
Re Hinge, well I can cope with that if it becomes an issue, the teardown & repair looks pretty straight forward.
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Thanks all for your input so far,
I've been following the Official thread on which phone should I get for some weeks which does talk about the latest & greatest dual core's an awful lot, but, as I said above the support & dev work that has gone into the DZ already is probably the biggest factor for me, it should give me a good base to work/learn from.
I saw in Hubba88's sig that 1.3Ghz is achievable, that seems more than fast enough given the apps that are currently available. I'm thinking it will take a while for any apps to be taking advantage of dual cores...
Re Hinge, well I can cope with that if it becomes an issue, the teardown & repair looks pretty straight forward.
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Even 1.9 ghz is achievable . And I haven't had any problems with my hinge, it's pretty sturdy.
If you need a phone now, get the DZ.
If you can wait, wait until the quad core phones come out in 2012.
I love my G2 but I would not buy this phone again. With Swiftkey I find that I never use the hardware keyboard which was the main reason I bought my G2. If I could go back in time I would get a Nexus S or maybe a galaxy s.
Obvious answer is obvious:
Why get the same phone again when it has been 6 months since it first came out, therefore rendering the phone "obsolete", so to speak. If I had half a grand cash in my pocket right now I would wait for the HTC Pyramid (Their Dual Core).
Hey guys. I am thinking of buying a good budget android. And with the budget i have i would like to get a Motorola Defy. This phone for me will be a one time thing as i can't go on changing my devices every 8-9 months. So all i want to ask is till when will the defy get popular support and will be able to do what it does now before getting completely outdated(by this i mean the time when you just want to chuck your phone into the bin)
I'll be moving from a Symbian to my First Android device and of all things i know about Android this phones seems good to me(Except for the "LOCKED Bootloader thing")
So i want to use my defy as a primary device for at least a year and half (i know its too much but not possible for me to buy a device every other day). Is it possible with defy?
yeah, i think it is possible to use the defy for more than 1.5 years, at least i'm not planning to buy a new cell in a year there are rumors about motorola unlocking the bootloader and developing official 2.3 (gingerbread) to the defy, so if these are true, it will be supported for a long time. and hardware wise you don't have to worry, it is a high-end phone imo. so you should be fine
I just bought a Defy a little less than two weeks ago. Very similar position to yours - it's a one time thing, because my budget is limited, and the Defy offers nice hardware for the price. So despite the locked bootloader, I went for it. I think we'll be fine. The hacker community around this thing is awesome, not even the locked bootloader slows them down.
Outdated depends on what you do with your device.
Example: An entry level PC will last a home/student for as long as the physical parts last. Entry level PCs have 500GB HDD, 2-4GB DDR3 RAM, and most have a decent dual core CPU in them.
Gamers find themselves chasing technology quickly and things become outdated after a year. Faster memory, faster drives, bigger/badder GFX cards.
If you use your phone to surf the net, check emails, make and receive calls, take occassional photography, and listen to music then your phone will last as long as it physically lasts.
Now if you always want the "best" user experience (latest software versions, fastest phone) then your phone will not last 1.5 years. I love my Defy physically, but I wish I had Gingerbread. It is the best mid range Android Phone on the market right now. And it is durable to boot.
Most Compact Phone - 3.7" screen yet similar in size to an HTC Wildfire (3.2" screen).
Best Value for Money - Midrange phone with a high resolution 3.7" screen, 800MHz CPU.
Only mainstream Android phone that is durable.
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Now if you always want the "best" user experience (latest software versions, fastest phone) then your phone will not last 1.5 years. I love my Defy physically, but I wish I had Gingerbread.
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well for me outdated can be the time when your phone just stops performing the basic tasks and app and developer support is reduced to the minimum extent.
For ex. I am currently using a Nuron(s60v5) device and it was a great device when i brought it back in July 2010. The phone offered great smartphone capabilities but now with s^3 in the market all products are either not compatible with my device or run too slow for daily use (Opera mobile can't even keep two tabs running simantaneously in a 3g network).
So i believe the dev support here is great and the defy will get support even after motorola stops pushing updates to it. But the BOOTLOADER IS LOCKED and there is no official word on unlocking it.
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yeah, i think it is possible to use the defy for more than 1.5 years, at least i'm not planning to buy a new cell in a year there are rumors about motorola unlocking the bootloader and developing official 2.3 (gingerbread) to the defy, so if these are true, it will be supported for a long time. and hardware wise you don't have to worry, it is a high-end phone imo. so you should be fine
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yeah the spec sheet is comparable to a high end phone. And the performance is good too....
Btw are there any sources about the gingerbread update and unlocking bootloader....
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I just bought a Defy a little less than two weeks ago. Very similar position to yours - it's a one time thing, because my budget is limited, and the Defy offers nice hardware for the price. So despite the locked bootloader, I went for it. I think we'll be fine. The hacker community around this thing is awesome, not even the locked bootloader slows them down.
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Great man... Enjoy your device and hope that i get mine soon!!
Thanks Guys for helping. +1 to zakoo2, gusar321 and nicksti..
Sorry but had to keep each in seperate posts. As for some reason multi quote isn't working on my mobile.
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Btw are there any sources about the gingerbread update and unlocking bootloader....
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info about unlocking the bootloader:
http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/27/motorola-jumps-unlocked-bootloader-bandwagon/
and this is a leaked 'official' 2.3.3, !not final!:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081957
hope this helps!
yeah, basically CM7 is running 2.3 aka gingerbread, so with such a healthy dev community, you'll probably get the best user experience the hardware can handle. im pretty sure you'll get to at least ice cream sandwich experince!
Hello !
I probably am in your situation too . I had a Nokia e63 for about 1 and a half year. The phone was great, but the lack of apps and the thing that most of them couldn't run on my device made me think about change
IMO Defy is one of the best choice on the market(good specs @ good price) and thanks to the hard working devs we have gingerbread(CM7/MIUI) and I hope some next releases will be ported to on this mobile device(like ice cream sandwich or future on releases).
Right now defy can run almost everything on the market with no problems !
I highly recommend you to go for this change ! Good Luck
I had a Samsung Galaxy S. Its huge, powerful and awesome. But I switched bcs, its practical, durable, almost as powerful and awesomer!
I'm concerned... My DHD is a super smartphone, but after all it's just a device that is getting "old".
I can't really say what will my next phone be. Sensation? GalaxySII?
The Sensation has good specs(although I played for a whole day with one, and it didn't seemed so fast), but lacks the beauty of the DHD.
SGS2 definitely has power on his side, and a amazing screen. But again, it's plastic body is hideos and overall seems like a larger Iphone.
So please tell me... what should I be looking at? I don't dig Sony Ericsson crapphones, nor other semimanufacturers like Motorola, LG, Huaweii or God knows what.
I guess an important question is, what do you need it for? That should inform your decision. (For me, I've never really seen the point in a dual-core phone, as I've never played a game on a phone and never will.)
Sensation and SGII getting old too - the next generation was in many previews, so wait for the future updates with better sound and displays and so on... If you want an actual smartphone, you have to buy one every two month. Dual and Quad Core are in all minds. They give you the chance for recording FULL HD Videos, navigate faster than before, play games with actual upcoming graphicchips...you must know, what you prefer. At this time the DHD has more abilities than the new HTC devices, because their resolutions are not supported by all apps. Also there are more specific roms and themes.
What do I need it for? What do you need it for? I use it at it's full potential, with games, various aps, recording, browsing, teethering etc etc.
Whoever buys a smartphone to use it a simple phone is not a normal person(no offence ).
Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right
I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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Second that motion!
I use my Desire HD with Sense 3.5 (RCMix3D Bliss ROM) and it performs very well. Once the bluetooth problem has been fixed, Capychimp will have an awesome ROM for us all...
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Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.
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I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.
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I know what you mean. I got my DHD when the dual core phones were coming out, on purpose; I knew it was going to be cheaper, and I knew I wasn't loosing out much. I rooted from the very start, then worried that I had made the wrong decision when the SGS2 and Sensation came out...looking at everything now though, it's pretty clear I haven't
ive been on my dhd 4 a yr now nd havent been fascinated by any of the recent phones.....although i still use stock roms.....i love the sense interface so sammy is definitely out of the question. all dual cores as i have been readng havent really been utilized yet...im eagerly anticipating sense 3.5 update....it would b a new experience smhow. other than that i guess the only phone i wish was there is an android htc portrait slider...u know smthng like the dell venue pro for WP. Anyone thnks were gettng smthng like that anytime from htc?
Stick with DHD...because it same man...if ur next phone is sensation/sgs2...it will be outdated to...maybe will be a quad core cpu maybe...the technology in growing fast...haha
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Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right
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You can see it in my signature.. i was often unable to wait, because i wanted to test all new systems...at least the WP7 UI, before i bought my DHD. I think, WP7 style is a modern way to operate with a smartphone, but today no abilities to have an individual style. Android UI is a new form of windows mobile, not really futuristic, but i can change all i want. On the DHD it´s nearly perfect at this time.
Maybe in one year i will use again a WP7 phone, because i like many of it´s features, especially the menus inside and the live tiles (with another style). But i hope, that google won´t sleep all the time and works also on new interfaces. The last updates remind me to the times, when windows mobile was updated. I miss the really impressive changes... see, what will come in the next years.
I would wait if i were you.... even the so called dual core are being updated. Word on the street is that dual core 1.2-1.5 GHz should be the standard before the end of the year....HTC have some nice lineup comming soon
I took your advises seriously. Me and my DHD are friends for almost a year now, so it has a few scratches and dents. So, in order to complete our "new" friendship, I send it back to HTC for a complete makeover(new housing and a internal cleaning ).
Thank you guys!
I love my defy, especially now with jelly bean CM10.
However acro s has just been released and it looks to offer the toughness of defy with a high end phone and camera.
Do you think it's with spending the money on or should I hold onto my defy for another year??
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I love my defy, especially now with jelly bean CM10.
However acro s has just been released and it looks to offer the toughness of defy with a high end phone and camera.
Do you think it's with spending the money on or should I hold onto my defy for another year??
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get the Xperia Acro S if :
1> the entirety of the design greatly appeals to you (it did on me)
2> you find the built - water-resistant and shock resistant - has some good use according to your lifestyle
3> the price range is acceptable
4>you're a big fan of Xperia (a "stick to it no matter what" kind of fan)
5>OS development and modding is not that important
but, consider looking somewhere else if :
1>OS upgrade, flashing, openness and OS development is important to you(you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
2>you value the online community support structure (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
3>you want those OS development delivered on a timely manner (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC) either official or the XDA way.
there you go, i hope these somehow help you make the right choice.
Thanks for the good advice.
For me there is a conflict. I need water resistance for use outdoors but have also enjoyed the roms, mods and tweaking. The defy was the best of both worlds. I don't think it's stayed on the same rom for more than a few weeks!. I've had it for almost two years now.
I don't know why Motorola haven't bought out a defy 2. Bigger screen, better camera etc. instead there's defy +, defy mini, defy XT, all of which are pretty much the same and not worth upgrading from defy.
I'm contemplating buying a galaxy nexus as an indoor phone and keeping my defy as my outdoor media and GPS. However the acro s looked like it would let me have just the one phone.
I'll wait I think for a month or so until there's good reviews of acro s out. Acro s is priced just above galaxy s3 here in new Zealand but only just released so will prob drop in price quick.
Apologies for long post.
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Do you know what carrier it will be for? I live in America and i can only get Tmobile phones. I need a tough phone like the defy, everyday, but i want something more powerful like the acro s. The only other phone thats powerful from tmobile here is the galaxy s3 which my girlfriend has but she has to charge it 3 times a day and i think i would break it in a month on accident. Thanks.
tommyrumbler said:
get the Xperia Acro S if :
1> the entirety of the design greatly appeals to you (it did on me)
2> you find the built - water-resistant and shock resistant - has some good use according to your lifestyle
3> the price range is acceptable
4>you're a big fan of Xperia (a "stick to it no matter what" kind of fan)
5>OS development and modding is not that important
but, consider looking somewhere else if :
1>OS upgrade, flashing, openness and OS development is important to you(you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
2>you value the online community support structure (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
3>you want those OS development delivered on a timely manner (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC) either official or the XDA way.
there you go, i hope these somehow help you make the right choice.
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i think devs on XPERIA device is not bad..
FXP team did a good job, and ORGANIZED, yes organized to did their job.
they port CM to all 2011 Xperia device (yes, CM10 included).
my friend using Xperia Live and Xperia Neo, got a nice real smoooooth CM.
and developing atmoshpere there on both device is hot, not dead..
as long as kernel is unlocked, there's always a possibilities for devs to develop it.
and xperia has many devs too.
and did you know, SONY is a nice vendor for the devs.
SONY put a official page on their website, a nice how to step-by-step UNLOCK BOOTLOADER OFFICIALY..
i kept my eye on xperia acro s for two months now, and my next phone will definitely be this one. and i think the development of xperia devices is not bad, especially when they get cyanogenmod. and im quite sure this device will be officially supported by the cm team.
and i agree with marhensa, if the bootloader is unlocked, development is much easier, and sony makes their bootloaders unlockable.
And about official updates, Sony comes right next to nexus phones in official updates .. they updated almost all of the 2011 Xperia lineup to ics . Better late then never
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I would buy it but sony only release the xperia go in germany, but thats holy crab, nothing better then my defy.
So i keep my defy ad buy him in autumn a big brother, the nexus seven. So outdoor smartphone and daily using nexus 7
I'm waiting for this piece of hardware as well. Its for the exact reasons I bought my defy for and why I will hopefully never have to but a non ip67 phone again.
Sean
lets not forget that:
- the defy is not ip67 officially
- the acro s is ip57, not ip67
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marhensa said:
i think devs on XPERIA device is not bad..
FXP team did a good job, and ORGANIZED, yes organized to did their job.
they port CM to all 2011 Xperia device (yes, CM10 included).
my friend using Xperia Live and Xperia Neo, got a nice real smoooooth CM.
and developing atmoshpere there on both device is hot, not dead..
as long as kernel is unlocked, there's always a possibilities for devs to develop it.
and xperia has many devs too.
and did you know, SONY is a nice vendor for the devs.
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oh don't get me wrong there, bud. nothing about devs in general and here at XDA in particular.
my point being was - Sony's tough stance on keeping their phones superlocked - with bootloaders locked(and encrypted) in a way that makes it difficult for devs high and low to come up with diverse ROMs and mods, keeps the flashaholic community to a minimum level.
and yeah CM did very excellent (sorry for the double supras) job of porting ICS and even JB(in the works to most 2011 line). unlimited props to the team. and that was CM - not SE.compare it to both Samsung and HTC communities where in just a matter of weeks they'd have the ports ready and working, it took about what, a year for SE to brush in to the ICS bandwagon?..
also, look at the price range for an SE dual core device, almost up there with the far-quads.
talk about design, props to SE - i mean they make the loveliest phones out there. (exactly why i bought my ACRO HD).
i'm no big fan of SE - or any OEM for that matter - what matters to me is the experience i get out of a phone - or a device - or a product. And this is where SE loses big time to most big players year after year.
if my Acro HD has got better innard - like a quad maybe, this is going to be my phone for the next two years or so. no i'm highly tempted to get an S3.
again, please..don't tramp me just yet...i'm no hater.
and thanks for the reply. i appreciate being corrected constructively.
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oh don't get me wrong there, bud. nothing about devs in general and here at XDA in particular.
my point being was - Sony's tough stance on keeping their phones superlocked - with bootloaders locked(and encrypted) in a way that makes it difficult for devs high and low to come up with diverse ROMs and mods, keeps the flashaholic community to a minimum level.
and yeah CM did very excellent (sorry for the double supras) job of porting ICS and even JB(in the works to most 2011 line). unlimited props to the team. and that was CM - not SE.compare it to both Samsung and HTC communities where in just a matter of weeks they'd have the ports ready and working, it took about what, a year for SE to brush in to the ICS bandwagon?..
also, look at the price range for an SE dual core device, almost up there with the far-quads.
talk about design, props to SE - i mean they make the loveliest phones out there. (exactly why i bought my ACRO HD).
i'm no big fan of SE - or any OEM for that matter - what matters to me is the experience i get out of a phone - or a device - or a product. And this is where SE loses big time to most big players year after year.
if my Acro HD has got better innard - like a quad maybe, this is going to be my phone for the next two years or so. no i'm highly tempted to get an S3.
again, please..don't tramp me just yet...i'm no hater.
and thanks for the reply. i appreciate being corrected constructively.
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umm, i never had an android powered sony, but ive tried many, and from my experience, their software is greatly optimised, their single core devices are almost as smooth as a dual core device. thats why i think its worth buying a dual core sony instead of any quad core for the same price. and the sony stock software is very good, good features, quick, smooth. and they unlock most of their devices afaik. so my next phone will definitely be a sony. i dont like samsung, not just the software, the hardware either. htc is too pricy, especially that i dont wanna use sense ui, and thats extra money. i will never again buy a motorola for what they did to us defy users, and lg i simply dont trust. that leaves sony, which i always liked.
zakoo2 said:
umm, i never had an android powered sony, but ive tried many, and from my experience, their software is greatly optimised, their single core devices are almost as smooth as a dual core device. thats why i think its worth buying a dual core sony instead of any quad core for the same price. and the sony stock software is very good, good features, quick, smooth. and they unlock most of their devices afaik. so my next phone will definitely be a sony. i dont like samsung, not just the software, the hardware either. htc is too pricy, especially that i dont wanna use sense ui, and thats extra money. i will never again buy a motorola for what they did to us defy users, and lg i simply dont trust. that leaves sony, which i always liked.
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my little brother has got a defy too.. he loved it to the point of learning android programming so he could max his device the way he want's it. i've had 6 other phones while he held on to it. and i know first hand how moto left everyone in the dark with their i-dont-care attitude.
if you're saying though that SE makes very good OS/software for their phones, then i'm not really sure why we're here on XDA.
back to SE - goodluck with your next device. i hope they make better phones in their next release.
i'm about to sell my AcroHD and get me one of those jelly-able device.
tommyrumbler said:
my little brother has got a defy too.. he loved it to the point of learning android programming so he could max his device the way he want's it. i've had 6 other phones while he held on to it. and i know first hand how moto left everyone in the dark with their i-dont-care attitude.
if you're saying though that SE makes very good OS/software for their phones, then i'm not really sure why we're here on XDA.
back to SE - goodluck with your next device. i hope they make better phones in their next release.
i'm about to sell my AcroHD and get me one of those jelly-able device.
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you misunderstood me, im not saying i want to stick to the stock sony sw, i just said that if i had to choose id choose sonys, but of course if theres a possibility to change to cm, i will be the first to go. and the acro s has nfc, hdmi, good hw, hd 4.3" display (anything above 4.3" is too big for me), and comes with ics, so it will definitely be updated to jb. so this is the perfect phone for me. the s3 with its 4.7" is waaay to big, and i dont like the look of it.
but guys..
sony is kindly gave OFFICIAL step bu step to unlock bootloader.
and after that, you know what..
the 2011 devices line up got CM by FXP..
it took so long to get CM is because bootloader isn't unlock at that time.
but after that, sony gives a new policy which is so good for any devs.
the warranty will get void of course, but that's a win win solution for devs + it's follower and company (sony)..
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I'm sure that Acro S is the best replacement for all Defy Owners , I think Quad-Core phones will eat up batteries.
For Samsung : I don't like their Plasticy devices that feels like a toy and Cheap construction and very easy to break ,but they have a big Dev community
For HTC and SONY they have a great build quality and nice dev followers but its a little bit over-priced
Acro S is the Up-coming phone unless HTC has released any IP57 or IP67 certified phones and i think all phones in the world should be IP57 cert
zakoo2 said:
lets not forget that:
- the defy is not ip67 officially
- the acro s is ip57, not ip67
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That one also baffles me ... What could possibly be the cause of the dust ingression protection level to decrease for acro S ...
Sony manages to maintain IP67 for Go ...
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AlexGraves said:
That one also baffles me ... What could possibly be the cause of the dust ingression protection level to decrease for acro S ...
Sony manages to maintain IP67 for Go ...
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the acro s is bigger, and just how it is with the defy, the acro s plugs are protected by tiny plastic doors. although i dont relly get how its protected from water and not from dust
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zakoo2 said:
the acro s is bigger, and just how it is with the defy, the acro s plugs are protected by tiny plastic doors. although i dont relly get how its protected from water and not from dust
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Just wanted to point out that DEFY+ is IP67 certified. So, yeah, the DEFY maybe doesn't have the official badge, but it was just another marketing trick to make people believe they actually improved the phone in multiple ways (CPU, chipset, graphics, IP67 certificate...things are different on DEFY and DEFY+ according to Motorola), while they are actually the same.
To make sure I was on topic - I find the Xperia line-up very ugly. If a real DEFY 2 doesn't show, my next phone will be an ATRIX 2
niksy+ said:
Just wanted to point out that DEFY+ is IP67 certified. So, yeah, the DEFY maybe doesn't have the official badge, but it was just another marketing trick to make people believe they actually improved the phone in multiple ways (CPU, chipset, graphics, IP67 certificate...things are different on DEFY and DEFY+ according to Motorola), while they are actually the same.
To make sure I was on topic - I find the Xperia line-up very ugly. If a real DEFY 2 doesn't show, my next phone will be an ATRIX 2
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i actually find the xperia line-up nice and elegant, and i swore never to buy motorola again...
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