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They keep giving me "reconditioned" Evos. Basically, everything is new on it, except for the main board.
First Evo - Started to reboot on it's own. Sprint repair center ordered "reconditioned" Evo. Was on backorder, had to wait about 3-4 days.
Second Evo - USB charging issue along w/ light leak on the outsides of the screen. Ordered "reconditioned" Evo.
Third Evo - Hotspots on the screen as soon as I turned it on in the Sprint store. They tried to change out the screen, but it seems more like a main board issue since it did the same thing on the new screen. Told me they ordered another "reconditioned" Evo. It's on backorder again, so might be a week or two.
Yesterday morning I called up Sprint and *****ed at anyone that I could get on the phone. Told them I WANT a new phone...not a "new to me" phone, but a BRAND NEW phone. Told them I don't want to hear "I'm sorry" or "I understand your frustration" because it's quite apparent that they don't.
Finally getting it escalated to within corporate after threatening the CSR level employess (including their sups) that I've filed a complaint with BBB and have dispatched an email to corporate executives at the company. Funny how much they want to take care of you once you say that. Waiting on call back from someone at Corporate.
Had a ***** this morning tell me "Maybe it was a virus you keep downloading."....No *****, it's a HARDWARE issue. HTC QA dept. seems to have been taken off the lines and told to go to accounting so they can help them count their cash.
I got a call this morning from a senior manager (directly from my email) and the guy turned out to be a complete douche. He wasn't very interested in what I had to say. He just told me that he has to follow his procedure and that if my FOURTH one has an issue, we'll look at other options. I asked him if the other options includes a new phone and he said we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Completely douchebaggery out of this ahole's mouth. I asked him how he thought having a 4th phone in my hands within a 2-3 week time frame was acceptable. All he said was he understands
I'm honestly thinking of paying out the cancellation fees and running from Sprint at this point.
just be glad they are sending you replacement phones.
Oh God here we go again.
Leaving Sprint?! Do you seriously think AT&T, Verizon or T-mobile would have given you a new phone ? The truth is a reconditioned phone IS just as good as a new phone.
Anyway cool story bro.
zeuzinn said:
Oh God here we go again.
Leaving Sprint?! Do you seriously think AT&T, Verizon or T-mobile would have given you a new phone ? The truth is a reconditioned phone IS just as good as a new phone.
Anyway cool story bro.
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LOL...what?
Recondition means that the main board is reconditioned, the rest of the parts are new. I suppose light leak, hot spots, and USB charging issues are all acceptable to you.
Cool story bro...LOL.
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LOL...what?
Recondition means that the main board is reconditioned, the rest of the parts are new. I suppose light leak, hot spots, and USB charging issues are all acceptable to you.
Cool story bro...LOL.
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like the other guy said, yes that sucks that u keep getting f***ed up phones but u really think the "other guys" will do u anymore favors than sprint already has? Think about it? If u have had this many replacement evos maybe u could ask them to get u a different replacement or swap for a shift...
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like the other guy said, yes that sucks that u keep getting f***ed up phones but u really think the "other guys" will do u anymore favors than sprint already has? Think about it? If u have had this many replacement evos maybe u could ask them to get u a different replacement or swap for a shift...
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I do agree with that, however when I moved from my iPhone to the Evo, I never had such issues w/ Apple. I walked into the Apple store and always walked out as a happy customer. I just hated AT&T.
Now that the iPhone is coming to Verizon, I know I lose a lot from features point of view, but at least I know that customer service is behind me from Apple. You can hate Apple as much as you want, but you can't deny their customer service in their stores is 2nd to none.
Either way, I refuse any other phone from Sprint since I made the move because I wanted the Evo. I love the Evo, hence why I want a new one and get all this foolishness over with.
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I suppose light leak, hot spots, and USB charging issues are all acceptable to you.
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Those are issues well known to be present on ALL EVOs, regardless if they are reconditioned or not. Sounds like you've had nothing but bad luck with build quality, And that is all.
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I do agree with that, however when I moved from my iPhone to the Evo, I never had such issues w/ Apple. I walked into the Apple store and always walked out as a happy customer. I just hated AT&T.
Now that the iPhone is coming to Verizon, I know I lose a lot from features point of view, but at least I know that customer service is behind me from Apple. You can hate Apple as much as you want, but you can't deny their customer service in their stores is 2nd to none.
Either way, I refuse any other phone from Sprint since I made the move because I wanted the Evo. I love the Evo, hence why I want a new one and get all this foolishness over with.
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You're right about Apple. Last time I had an issue with a macbook (the HD was corrupt after a month of use) I brought it in and they were going to replace it but it was going to take a week or so. I needed my comp back for my school work (was in college) and they gave me a brand new macbook there and then. No questions asked.
I would recommend reading the book How to win Friends and Influence people.
If you want a brands new phone, the only way to get a brand new phone is to get the person you are talking to to WANT to give you a brand new phone. To do that, you need to learn what they WANT. As a CS rep, I want people to tell my boss how great I am and the company will fold without me. When I need something from someone I say this "Shiela, you are the only one that can help me here." explain the situation and tell her what I am looking for and end with "and please give me the name of your supervisor so I can contact them directly and let them know how you not only kept me as a customer, but made me completely satisfied. WHen I called I was angry at your company, and Shiela singlehandedly changed that.
Bottom line, you get WAY more bees with honey.
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I do agree with that, however when I moved from my iPhone to the Evo, I never had such issues w/ Apple. I walked into the Apple store and always walked out as a happy customer. I just hated AT&T.
Now that the iPhone is coming to Verizon, I know I lose a lot from features point of view, but at least I know that customer service is behind me from Apple. You can hate Apple as much as you want, but you can't deny their customer service in their stores is 2nd to none.
Either way, I refuse any other phone from Sprint since I made the move because I wanted the Evo. I love the Evo, hence why I want a new one and get all this foolishness over with.
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Apple does have great customer service, there is no denying that whatsoever. But, if you are so disgruntled by your experiences with the Evo why don't you just go back to the iPhone? Or it may just be a good idea to not bring up apple and the iPhone on the Evo forums, I promise its only going to get you flamed.
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Those are issues well known to be present on ALL EVOs, regardless if they are reconditioned or not. Sounds like you've had nothing but bad luck with build quality, And that is all.
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This guy knows his stuff and is right no matter how you slice it. I went through the same issues with light leakage and screen coming up in the corner. I had Sprint send me 3 replacements before I realized that EVERY Evo is going to have a slight bit of light leakage. Light leakage is something that happens eventually anyways with any touchscreen device. Take a look at a used Ipod touch, I have seen it on many different touch's. As for the difference in new and refurb MOST of the time a refurb is actually better because the phone goes through alot more inspection and tests then a brand new one.
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like the other guy said, yes that sucks that u keep getting f***ed up phones but u really think the "other guys" will do u anymore favors than sprint already has? Think about it? If u have had this many replacement evos maybe u could ask them to get u a different replacement or swap for a shift...
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Sounds like bad experiences with the replacements which is very understandable. If I were in your shoes I would probably demand a new phone too, while keeping in mind that even if its new it is still going to have light leakage. From my experiences with Sprint, if you want to get something done you have to talk to Retention or Customer Relations. Not too sure what they call it now but it is basically the people who handle customers wanting to cancel their service with Sprint. Every time I have had a problem with customer service getting things done, I have just requested to talk to them. They will bend over backwards for you to keep you as a customer, as long as your respectful to them. This would be my recommendation to you from my experience, because they are the ultimate power for Customer service for Sprint. They can do alot of things and override stuff that other reps cannot.
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Apple does have great customer service, there is no denying that whatsoever. But, if you are so disgruntled by your experiences with the Evo why don't you just go back to the iPhone? Or it may just be a good idea to not bring up apple and the iPhone on the Evo forums, I promise its only going to get you flamed.
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Only reason I brought up Apple is due to their CS. I know their phone doesn't measure up, but after getting kicked in the nuts a few times, you want to give that part a rest and get kicked somewhere else.
This guy knows his stuff and is right no matter how you slice it. I went through the same issues with light leakage and screen coming up in the corner. I had Sprint send me 3 replacements before I realized that EVERY Evo is going to have a slight bit of light leakage. Light leakage is something that happens eventually anyways with any touchscreen device. Take a look at a used Ipod touch, I have seen it on many different touch's. As for the difference in new and refurb MOST of the time a refurb is actually better because the phone goes through alot more inspection and tests then a brand new one.
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Light leakage doesn't worry me too much. I haven't returned a phone or complained about a phone only due to light leakage. There has always been something else hardware wise wrong along with that.
Sounds like bad experiences with the replacements which is very understandable. If I were in your shoes I would probably demand a new phone too, while keeping in mind that even if its new it is still going to have light leakage. From my experiences with Sprint, if you want to get something done you have to talk to Retention or Customer Relations. Not too sure what they call it now but it is basically the people who handle customers wanting to cancel their service with Sprint. Every time I have had a problem with customer service getting things done, I have just requested to talk to them. They will bend over backwards for you to keep you as a customer, as long as your respectful to them. This would be my recommendation to you from my experience, because they are the ultimate power for Customer service for Sprint. They can do alot of things and override stuff that other reps cannot.
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I tried the retentions dept. They basically offered me a LG Rumor or a Blackberry Curve for $50. They said they can do nothing more if I want to cancel.
There is another member going through this same issue. The rule a thumb and apparently in the fine print somewhere it does say after 3 replacements that they have to offer you a new phone. I have actually dealt with this before and after 3 was given a new phone just didn't realize it was in fine print. But apparently it is in policy so I would bring that up to a rep if I were you.
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There is another member going through this same issue. The rule a thumb and apparently in the fine print somewhere it does say after 3 replacements that they have to offer you a new phone. I have actually dealt with this before and after 3 was given a new phone just didn't realize it was in fine print. But apparently it is in policy so I would bring that up to a rep if I were you.
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Sprint store just called and said my "new to me" phone came in today. I'm going to check it out after work. If there are still issues, I'm going to ask them about this policy.
Same thing happened to me worth my last phone the palm pre, I had 10 of em in 6 months. After the 4rth one I demanded a new one, they reluctantly gave me one, unfortunately that one failed in less than two weeks
After playing who's your favorite customer for a few more months the, evo dropped so palm could finally kiss my a$$.
It sucks your having those problems, my phone hasnt had any problem and (knock on wood) have had it for going on 6 months now
Swyped from a galaxy far far away......
HAHAHAHA!!!
ROFLMAO.
You have just told my story as far as my sprint experience goes.
I am also on my 3rd replacement phone.
The original- Speaker went out
First replacement- Screen hotspot
Second replacement- Light leakage (i had to complain and yell to get this one replaced)
Third replacement (current phone)- light leakage
I have given up with this third replacement!
O and by the way....
From what information I have gathered from Sprint and HTC, light leakage is NOT a known issue according to them. I specifically talked to the HTC warranty department and they said it has shown up on some phones but is not previlent enough to say it is a known issue with the phone
Not sure if this will work for your state but I know it works in NY.
If you had 4 Evo replacements, call customer service and ask for a supervisor. It should be documented on your account that you got 4 replacements. Tell them under your state's lemon law, you got more than 3 faulty refurbished Evos within 3 months. You want a NIB (New in box) Evo sent. Or you can ask for a comparable phone if you want to switch off the Evo. They will probably give you the choice of the Epic or Evo Shift.
They will push for the same phone. The stores will not do this for you. You have to call customer service. If customer service doesn't do it for you, ask to be transfered to retentions (cancellation department) and ask for a supervisor there. They have the power to give you anything you want, though you might not get it.
If no one is cooperating, hang up before they can note your account and call back. Most of the time it depends on whether the person wants to help you or not. Let them know you are frustrated but don't act like an ass.
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Not sure if this will work for your state but I know it works in NY.
If you had 4 Evo replacements, call customer service and ask for a supervisor. It should be documented on your account that you got 4 replacements. Tell them under your state's lemon law, you got more than 3 faulty refurbished Evos within 3 months. You want a NIB (New in box) Evo sent. Or you can ask for a comparable phone if you want to switch off the Evo. They will probably give you the choice of the Epic or Evo Shift.
They will push for the same phone. The stores will not do this for you. You have to call customer service. If customer service doesn't do it for you, ask to be transfered to retentions (cancellation department) and ask for a supervisor there. They have the power to give you anything you want, though you might not get it.
If no one is cooperating, hang up before they can note your account and call back. Most of the time it depends on whether the person wants to help you or not. Let them know you are frustrated but don't act like an ass.
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Same problems on verizon. They are NO better unfortunately. Actually, they told me they no longer offer new replacement, ever, and i was paying for the extended warranty and insurance.
ryandoubleu said:
ROFLMAO.
You have just told my story as far as my sprint experience goes.
I am also on my 3rd replacement phone.
The original- Speaker went out
First replacement- Screen hotspot
Second replacement- Light leakage (i had to complain and yell to get this one replaced)
Third replacement (current phone)- light leakage
I have given up with this third replacement!
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Got my 4th Evo last night. Turns out this one has severe light leakage. Compared it to my wife's hardware ver. 004 phone and this one is very noticeable. Told the people at Sprint Repair and they said they'll swap out the screens, but they don't have any in stock right now.
Waiting for the Operations Manager, Brian Patrick from Sprint corporate to call me back today.
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From what information I have gathered from Sprint and HTC, light leakage is NOT a known issue according to them. I specifically talked to the HTC warranty department and they said it has shown up on some phones but is not previlent enough to say it is a known issue with the phone
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They tried to tell me "It's a non-issue, it's only cosmetic."
While I understand that it is only cosmetic, if I'm buying the Ferrari of all phone (HTC and Sprint market it as the best on the market), then I don't want even a scratch on my Ferrari. If I paid good money for it, I want my good money's worth and I demand that it be perfect.
There may be those who may say "Give it up, it's just the way the phone is.". To them, I say at what point in your life did you give up wanting your money's worth? At what point did you say to yourself a BRAND NEW item should be of garbage quality as long as it's in new packaging?
Now I seem to remember that after X amount of replacements sprint is "supposed" to reccomend another phone as a replacement...
Could anybody in the know tell me/PM me what might be on the WEL list?
Big TIA!
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to my knowledge/experiences it is totally up to the stores discretion. ive seen people as of late going on the 4th, 5th device of the same model. this isnt just due to the store, but also because with certain models there is no comparable phone that isnt a downgrade.. that being said, its not likely they are going to give you an evo or a nexus, may be best to work the angle of an early upgrade with a discount to the equipment if they are continuing to offer the same equipment
Ya that's what I thought...not trying to get a nexus, but was wondering if the evo could be an option...
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Good luck is all I can really say.
Our store is only Advanced exchange, and we've got to look at device history, and decide if the person is just trying to get into a different model. We would either order another Epic (depending on what broke on this one, and what broke on the previous ones... might just be an education issue rather than something defective) or see what else is on the WEL. (BTW, WEL list is redundant, kind of like ATM machine.)
Really, it depends on the store you go to, and how you handle the situation.
What is wrong with this phone and what was wrong with the previous ones?
NO. I worked in a group called Multiple Device Exchange. There is no policy that says we will exchange the device for another one. Sprint is a warranty replacement. There is a program called WE'LL, but that is few and far between. It is Sprint policy that after 3 Advanced Exchanges in a 12 month period, the customer has to go to the repair center for the device to be looked at. There is a 35 mile exception to that rule.
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What is wrong with this phone? It honestly sounds like u want an evo
"The greatest respect you can earn is self respect" Louie Simmons
Okay, it really depends on who you are dealing with.
Here is the thing, to qualify for the WEL Program you must have at LEAST 3 replacements that involved a tech store. It depends the person you talk to, but that is the minimum, and it must be pretty close together.
Now it depends on your issue. If you feel that your problem or problems were hardware related, you most likely couldn't switch to a Nexus S as it is similar hardware UNLESS your issue is physical keyboard related.
If it is software, Nexus S may be up for grabs, since it is google.
As for getting an Evo, it is possible, usually they try to stay within the same manufacturer, but it is not unheard of to switch out,
Unfortunately the Evo is on nationwide back order (so is the Epic) so it may be hard to get that. I hear the Samsung Within is coming July 24th, I would wait for that, and keep getting your Epic replaced so you have more to complain about.
Well I've been hella nice about having to go in... its not their fault that refurbs just show up jacked...
First epic bought on launch day, the processor fried, wouldn't update...
Second one.. immediately the accelerometer was wildly funky, couldn't play any games.. brought it back the same day at 5:50 and waited until about 8:30pm.. then the tech came out and told me that it makes texts and calls now :-( appearantly nobody told him what I said about that not being the issue... had to bring it back the next day.... had to wait a week since it was memorial day...
Third (current).... the home, back, menu, and search buttons choose when to work. Usually after hitting them about 6+ times...
So on Friday when they told me to come get the next one... it wasn't there, the phones back ordered.. so at this point after being there about 10 times in 2 weeks.. I asked what I'm supposed to do about a phone? The girl rudely told me there's nothing they are going to do... I asked about a nib epic... flatly told no, they won't do that and I have to wait.. even though the TEP sign flatly states "next day replacement".. so I got pissed and said **** sprint and stormed out (this being the only time I've been out of line)
Called sprint and some blow hard said what do you want from us? I said a phone that works.... he said that he can't bring me one since he's in new mexico and cali is to far for him to drive. ****in dumb ass...
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Google Voice (with record) is your friend in those cases.. CS Reps shouldnt be saying stuff like that. (nor should the customer be a ****)
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Google Voice (with record) is your friend in those cases.. CS Reps shouldnt be saying stuff like that. (nor should the customer be a ****)
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dangit wish i though of using that.. i was really professional the whole process.. minus the rude asst. manager setting me off..
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Well I've been hella nice about having to go in... its not their fault that refurbs just show up jacked...
First epic bought on launch day, the processor fried, wouldn't update...
Second one.. immediately the accelerometer was wildly funky, couldn't play any games.. brought it back the same day at 5:50 and waited until about 8:30pm.. then the tech came out and told me that it makes texts and calls now :-( appearantly nobody told him what I said about that not being the issue... had to bring it back the next day.... had to wait a week since it was memorial day...
Third (current).... the home, back, menu, and search buttons choose when to work. Usually after hitting them about 6+ times...
So on Friday when they told me to come get the next one... it wasn't there, the phones back ordered.. so at this point after being there about 10 times in 2 weeks.. I asked what I'm supposed to do about a phone? The girl rudely told me there's nothing they are going to do... I asked about a nib epic... flatly told no, they won't do that and I have to wait.. even though the TEP sign flatly states "next day replacement".. so I got pissed and said **** sprint and stormed out (this being the only time I've been out of line)
Called sprint and some blow hard said what do you want from us? I said a phone that works.... he said that he can't bring me one since he's in new mexico and cali is to far for him to drive. ****in dumb ass...
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First phone - how did the processor fry? Custom ROM/Kernel?
Second phone - Did you calibrate the accelerometer? Did they hard reset to see if the issue remained?
Third phone - Do you have a screen protector that covers the buttons and is starting to wear out? This actually sounds hardware related, but there may be some other things killing the buttons.
TEP next day replacement applies to deductible based claims. If you want to call Asurion and pay $100 to get a replacement Epic next day, you do have that option (if they have any in stock.)
Based on the situation, I would definitely not switch you out of this device yet. The issues are not recurring (different issue on different devices) and even though the button issue is a legitimate concern, I would want to know more about the first two swaps before considering a device change.
Yes, the phone is backordered, just like the EVO (so even if they approved a different device, you still wouldn't get it right now anyway.) and we aren't typically able to switch you to a NIB phone, unless your existing one is completely non-functional, and the manager allows us to take the hit for breaking WEL.
I'd be willing to bet that the issue can be fixed with a new digitizer, which the tech stores *might* be able to replace if they have one.
Did you leave the device with the techs on the home keys issue or was this a non-tech store you went to? Which of these stores were corporate owned or third party?
1st one I did root and try an older oc rom.. but I went back to stock almost immediately, like back in january.. its not a windows phone and I like how stock performs..
2nd Yes I did calibrate through the display settings...and hard reset.. multiple times..
3rd.. no screen protectors required with this bad boy! The buttons just would pick and choose when to work... mostly not..
The store I bring it to (but not ever again) is a corporate repair center..
I try EVERYTHING I can before I bring any phone in.. including formating the sd card.. but this all happened within a 2 week period. Frustrating...
I actually just got a nib epic today... after a politely worded email to every sprint exec I could find an address for... they even had it set up at a sprint store close to where I am working today since I work in other cities a lot..
All I wanted was a phone that works.. period. Been a customer for 9+ years.
Much love sprint!! Guess I won't be getting that dell streak5 anytime soon..
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Very similar thing happened to me and I can understand the frustration of taking the time to get to the Sprint store, wait 2+ hours, only to be told everything is OK or just come back in 3 days plus holidays. The wait through the line, the tech inspection, and the decision making with the best course of action are not very well documented nor advertised in their TEP literature.
I would qualify my rage as "murderous" at times, and it was very difficult to stay professional at various stages of dealing with some employees. I was fortunate to get a NIB Epic after 3 bad refurbs and a friendly discussion with the store manager... the reps on the phone were beyond useless, however. Did you deal with any of the 17 departments that insist on transferring you before taking any initiative whatsoever?
I was even asked if my issues had been resolved and if I would give them a good rating. I said that I'd be lying if I said I would since the phone was about as functional as an underweight paperweight... after being offered to escalate things to a resolution specialist, I kindly declined to hold insisting that I'd be busy looking for a bat to test against my phone instead.
It would've been cheaper to pay the $100 and get a temp job in place of listening to crappy music at the Sprint store. /rant
lmao... i refuse to go back into that store ever again. rude, incompetent, pea brained, number conscious NOT customer conscious ass hole managers.. the techs and others were cool however .. i went through 12 touch pros LEGITIMATELY before i had to go scout out another store that would order me a tp2 or ANYTHING else for that matter. (guess i didnt learn my lesson). talk about wanting to drive my car full speed into the store window.
but the only bad thing about spending the 100 bucks is that, i think, they pull the phones from the same place that sprint does... so youre 50/50 on what you get anyway... but the next day policy is definitely worth the c-note.
on the phone transfer thing.. i only spoke to the girl that answers the phone her supervisor and then "account management"? the last one was the douche that said he couldnt bring me a phone from new mexico.. i told him thanks for wasting both of our time for the last 15 minutes, ill be going with att, thanks for the inspiration to do it asap...
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I am an employee and went through 6 pre's before I was able to upgrade into the EPIC (out of my pocket, btw, not as an ESRP exchange.) My device exchanges have to go through my District Manager, and he is really picky about letting an employee switch devices. I even made the case that each pre I switched to cost the company a lot of money, and it would have made business sense to switch me to the next option on WEL (which had less device problems)
I started in '04 with Sprint, and I learned early on that the only department over the phone that gets anything done is Retention. Your best bet is to find a sales rep that cares about service (as well as numbers) and who is willing to do what they can to get you taken care of (within reason.)
Nah it makes me sad... that even employees get the jacked up run around... all my buddies with their iphones look at me puzzled when I tell them what we go through sometimes..
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After replacing 5 Samsung Moments due to the radio locking up constantly someone in corporate retentions showed some mercy and gave me a free month of service and a $200 credit to put to a new phone. I made up the difference with cash and bought an Epic at the no contract price.
TEP - said you get refurbs or NEW... so if the refurbs are on backorder then you should be able to get a NEW PHONE.
just saying
spivey8 said:
TEP - said you get refurbs or NEW... so if the refurbs are on backorder then you should be able to get a NEW PHONE.
just saying
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If you want to call Asurion and pay $100 to get a replacement Epic next day, you do have that option (if they have any in stock.)
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Asurion has a different inventory of phones. If they have a refurb in stock, they will send you a refurb, if they don't and they do have new stock, that is what they will send.
The store has to go by the WEL, whatever the highest priority number is on the list is what we are officially allowed to swap to. This is almost always a refurb of the same model. If that's not available, then the next in the list is usually the NIB from the store stock, but only if the WEL says we can use those. Right now, the EPIC refurbs are backordered, and WEL says NO for swapping to a NIB. Anything beyond that is up to the discretion of the store manager.
I have been a proud owner of an Epic 4G Touch for months now. I love android and I have been around it for a while. Heck, I love my phone so much I wish it were a real boy! ;-)
Sadly, I have been one of the unfortunate few who has had the lines on the screen when waking the phone and now after 3 plus months the egg has finally hatched. Two days ago after turning on the screen to read a text message the lines went down across the phone lock screen one more time for a bit longer than usual this time. This time I noticed a huge difference in the resolution or better put in the darker hues of the phone's display. The richness in color has faded to what seems to be on par with an early capacitive screen.
The darks aren't as rich as before. The blues aren't as blue. I mean even the screen on my old Samsung Moment looks better and I definitely won't compare it to the Evo 4g . To add to this when swiping across homescreen the display flickers. This may be an isolated incident, but I just wanted to let those who have the lines down the screen when waking it to be weary. This could happen to you.
P.S. My eyes aren't playing tricks on me. I took it in for an inspection at a sprint service center and the rep confirmed the noticeable difference.
I have harvested plenty of screens at my store if you live in the DC area, I can change it for you.
Why did you make 2 identical threads?
Why not just take it back? It has only been out for a few months. Surely it has a 1 year warranty. I am sure if it broke they would replace it. I have insurance but I am usually the one that breaks the phones. They don't like 1000 degrees or getting drinched in water.
On another note, I dropped my old Erickson from Cingular 110 feet one time and the battery popped out. I put the battery back in and it worked perfectly. It didn't even get scratched bad. I wish I had it on film.
I apologize to anyone who I have offended by the dual post. It was not my intention. I had problems with the browser I was first using.
I am sending the phone back to Samsung. My gripe is that it could take as long as 17 days to get it back, as per their estimates. But better a phone in good condition than one that is about to kick the bucket. I am under warranty so I don't expect to pay for repairs.
I would call Sprint and see if you can add TEP to your line.
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Did i read this wrong, or is he saying that the phone screen for the epic was running at 1080i?...heck even 720p?! Im very much lost. help?
Why do you have such a expensive phone and no TEP.
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Kikoshi said:
Did i read this wrong, or is he saying that the phone screen for the epic was running at 1080i?...heck even 720p?! Im very much lost. help?
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I'm lost as well.
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I'm lost as well.
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I'm also lost.
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DevilStrider said:
Why do you have such a expensive phone and no TEP.
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Because TEP is mostly a rip-off. This was a warranty issue, TEP would have been a waste of $100 deductible plus the monthly fee.
It will be covered under warranty.
Chipeto said:
I apologize to anyone who I have offended by the dual post. It was not my intention. I had problems with the browser I was first using.
I am sending the phone back to Samsung. My gripe is that it could take as long as 17 days to get it back, as per their estimates. But better a phone in good condition than one that is about to kick the bucket. I am under warranty so I don't expect to pay for repairs.
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No worrys man. Just curious why
AndroidSPCS said:
Because TEP is mostly a rip-off. This was a warranty issue, TEP would have been a waste of $100 deductible plus the monthly fee.
It will be covered under warranty.
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A warranty repair in a store still costs $35 bucks without TEP.
I used an analogy while talking in a spec filled virtual world. I should have said that the normal resolution of the Epic Touch went from 800 x 480 to what I believe was more like 320 x 480. There was a huge leap in display resolution.
I am exchanging the phone at a sprint service and repair tomorrow at no cost to me. I originally did not have insurance, but I was allowed to add it; I knowing that it would come in handy in this situation.
*The funny thing is that after a week of use with the poor resolution, I lent the phone to my sister-in-law so that she could email herself some pictures using wifi and the screen went back to 800 x 480 after she was done with it.* I'm still exchanging it, I don't want the phone to go useless on me anytime soon.
Correct me if I am wrong but you only pay that 100 dollar deductible if you lose the phone. Repairs are free with the plan.
On my Epic mobile phone.
kc_exactly said:
Correct me if I am wrong but you only pay that 100 dollar deductible if you lose the phone. Repairs are free with the plan.
On my Epic mobile phone.
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Electrical fault, defect whatever not at fault are covered by the plan according to the paperwork. Not sure on the warranty exchange thing with TEP.
However not all repairs are covered by that. Lost or stolen is one part but smashed screen is the same if you broke it you pay the deductible.
I am actually curious I heard someone recently say the deductable was raised to 125. But paperwork said 100 and everyone here says it too so i dunno.
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Because TEP is mostly a rip-off. This was a warranty issue, TEP would have been a waste of $100 deductible plus the monthly fee.
It will be covered under warranty.
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Im still confused as the others were. The screen is 800 x 480 whats the title all about.
Chipeto said:
I used an analogy while talking in a spec filled virtual world. I should have said that the normal resolution of the Epic Touch went from 800 x 480 to what I believe was more like 320 x 480. There was a huge leap in display resolution.
I am exchanging the phone at a sprint service and repair tomorrow at no cost to me. I originally did not have insurance, but I was allowed to add it; I knowing that it would come in handy in this situation.
*The funny thing is that after a week of use with the poor resolution, I lent the phone to my sister-in-law so that she could email herself some pictures using wifi and the screen went back to 800 x 480 after she was done with it.* I'm still exchanging it, I don't want the phone to go useless on me anytime soon.
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It is still not a resolution issue. If it were, everything on the screen would have became much larger then they already are. Just because the colors are off doesn't mean that the resolution changed. Bad analogy and the reason why people are confused by the title.
Thought ill do this to help people that are thinking of sending their phone in for repair.
If its fast, if they do a good job etc..
I called up Samsung UK at 9am UK time 21/05/12 and told them what's wrong with it
This is what is wrong with it;
The screen pops out about quater of a MM on the bottom right
-The phone doesnt always charge when connected to the charger (this has happened about 5times within a month)
-The phone switches off randomly sometimes (This has happened about 3 times within a month)
-Sometimes when i remove the charging cable. On the screen it says charging/ disconnected continuously, If i wasnt aware of it, it would keep happening and burn my screen since the same image is on the screen none stop (This has happened 2 times within two weeks)
-If i shake my phone i hear a rattle sound on the upper back of the phone (This has been there since i bought the phone)
-The touch screen isnt as responsive from when i bought it (I have to take my finger off the screen and try again sometimes)
-WiFi and 3G stops working and i have to reboot my phone to be able to use it (This has happened countless of times)
Some of these faults only happen sometimes but they have happened more then once within a short period of time.
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Quite a lot right? lol. The women took it quite well haha.
They said the bag will be sent out within two working days with Royal Mail, and the repair will take from 5 to 10 working days. I have to send it with other information like proof of purchase contact details etc..
I asked what happens if they send it back and the same/ new faults are still there?
She said we will try and repair it again and if its no good on the 3rd try then they will send me a new one.
The call took about 20minutes. I was on hold for about 5minutes total.
So let the games begin.
ps I set this as my background for fun
LoL @ background!
hope they take care of it...
I got the package this morning around 11am while i was sleeping (i work nights) so i could of sent it today if some one woke me up -_-
Another thing.. the packaging they gave me is an utter joke.
Cheap bubble wrap thats about 2ft by 1ft and a plastic bag(envelope)
I used my own bubble wrap, cardboard, bubble wrap jiffy bag, some more bubble wrap then put it in the envelope with all the information they needed.
I think i over did it a bit but what can i say? Im a bit OCD on stuff like that lol.
I took lots of pictures of my phone so when they send it back to me.. if there is one mark that wasnt there before/ still has the same or new problems its going straight back.
I want to send it back three times because then they will send me a brand new one on the 3rd go haha.
I'm going to post it tomorrow morning.
Hope it works out for you.
You complained about a rattle when you shook your phone? Dude, you're nit picking.
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Smokeey said:
You complained about a rattle when you shook your phone? Dude, you're nit picking.
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I know. I'm trying to give them as many faults as possible to make it harder for them. I just want a new one cause the current one i have has problems.. i dont like repaired phones
My brother had an iphone4.. about 20days before the 1 year warranty ran out he went into the apple store and said the home button doesnt always work. The guy didnt even check it and gave him a brand new one.
I wish all companies had customer service like Apple... even if their products are meh.
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I know. I'm trying to give them as many faults as possible to make it harder for them. I just want a new one cause the current one i have has problems.. i dont like repaired phones
My brother had an iphone4.. about 20days before the 1 year warranty ran out he went into the apple store and said the home button doesnt always work. The guy didnt even check it and gave him a brand new one.
I wish all companies had customer service like Apple... even if their products are meh.
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lmao. You obviously don't know much about Apple customer service, it costs $99/year per device + $49/"incident". If you call 91 days after you purchase your device they won't even talk to you about your device/software or anything until you purchase the $99 service.
Every iPhone comes with one year of hardware repair coverage and 90 days of telephone technical support. AppleCare+ for iPhone extends repair coverage and technical support to two years from the original purchase date of your iPhone and adds coverage for up to two incidents of accidental damage due to handling, each subject to a $49 service fee.1 With AppleCare+ for iPhone, Apple experts can help troubleshoot issues over the phone or at an Apple Retail Store. They’ll answer questions about iOS, Apple iPhone apps such as Mail, iMessage, and Calendar, and help you solve interconnectivity issues between your iPhone and Mac or PC. And if your iPhone needs service under the plan, Apple technical support representatives can even set up a repair during the same call.
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http://store.apple.com/us/product/APP_IPHONE_PLUS_AUTO-110480
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lmao. You obviously don't know much about Apple customer service, it costs $99/year per device + $49/"incident". If you call 91 days after you purchase your device they won't even talk to you about your device/software or anything until you purchase the $99 service.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/APP_IPHONE_PLUS_AUTO-110480
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My mom called at day 96. If you act like you now nothing about this then they might let it slide. She got a new phone free somehow.
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lmao. You obviously don't know much about Apple customer service, it costs $99/year per device + $49/"incident". If you call 91 days after you purchase your device they won't even talk to you about your device/software or anything until you purchase the $99 service.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/APP_IPHONE_PLUS_AUTO-110480
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I'm in the UK so its probably different over here.. no?
My brother didn't spend anything extra on the phone... just the phone itself.
Maybe you don't know much about Apples customer service?
I know Americans get f'ed a lot on phones.
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I know. I'm trying to give them as many faults as possible to make it harder for them. I just want a new one cause the current one i have has problems.. i dont like repaired phones
My brother had an iphone4.. about 20days before the 1 year warranty ran out he went into the apple store and said the home button doesnt always work. The guy didnt even check it and gave him a brand new one.
I wish all companies had customer service like Apple... even if their products are meh.
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I did something like this back when I had the 3GS. I waited until I decided I was buying the Nexus One, went to the Apple store and said the battery wasn't working correctly. The guy went in the back and came out with a brand new phone which went on Craigslist immediately after.
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I did something like this back when I had the 3GS. I waited until I decided I was buying the Nexus One, went to the Apple store and said the battery wasn't working correctly. The guy went in the back and came out with a brand new phone which went on Craigslist immediately after.
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Its quite funny.
The best thing is that the iPhone doesnt devalue much.
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My mom called at day 96. If you act like you now nothing about this then they might let it slide. She got a new phone free somehow.
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I'm in the UK so its probably different over here.. no?
My brother didn't spend anything extra on the phone... just the phone itself.
Maybe you don't know much about Apples customer service?
I know Americans get f'ed a lot on phones.
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One year hardware warrantee, 90 day tech support via phone. Which leaves much to be desired IMO. Almost all products offer 1yr hardware support, Android does not charge $99/yr to help you diagnose a problem over the phone. Imo saying Apple has superior customer service is so assbackards it borders on mentally challenged. As far as what I personally know about Apple and their CS, I've been an Apple device owner for years, same for Android. Both have good qualities, both have poor qualities. But I have no delusions of which are which. I'm not going off somebody else's experience, somebody who as far as I am concerned (since we don't have an XDA username for them) has no credibility on this forum. I posted the link and quote directly from Apples website, it's kind of hard to disagree with that, and if either of you would have actually read it you would have seen that hardware is warranted for 1yr.
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One year hardware warrantee, 90 day tech support via phone. Which leaves much to be desired IMO. Almost all products offer 1yr hardware support, Android does not charge $99/yr to help you diagnose a problem over the phone. Imo saying Apple has superior customer service is so assbackards it borders on mentally challenged. As far as what I personally know about Apple and their CS, I've been an Apple device owner for years, same for Android. Both have good qualities, both have poor qualities. But I have no delusions of which are which. I'm not going off somebody else's experience, somebody who as far as I am concerned (since we don't have an XDA username for them) has no credibility on this forum. I posted the link and quote directly from Apples website, it's kind of hard to disagree with that, and if either of you would have actually read it you would have seen that hardware is warranted for 1yr.
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The phone wasnt repaired. You go off of your experiance and ill go off of my own
Anyway.. lets ditch this Apple talk.. and stick with Samsung.
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The phone wasnt repaired. You go off of your experiance and ill go off of my own
Anyway.. lets ditch this Apple talk.. and stick with Samsung.
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You mean i go off my experience and you'll go off your brothers experience. You quoted me quoting Apple about the "repair" thing btw, just follow the link and see for yourself, that's what is written on Apples website.
Sure we will drop the Apple talk, just thinking about AppleCare pisses me off, don't know why anyone would prefer it.
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You mean i go off my experience and you'll go off your brothers experience. You quoted me quoting Apple about the "repair" thing btw, just follow the link and see for yourself, that's what is written on Apples website.
Sure we will drop the Apple talk, just thinking about AppleCare pisses me off, don't know why anyone would prefer it.
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well me and my dad was with him so its basically my own experiance too..
I dont see why anyone would buy extended warranty .. its a rip off.
btw just one hour and i can post my phone =O
That was my whole reasoning, I don't see why anyone would rather HAVE to pay for the extended, much less pay for phone support during the normal warrantee period. Hopefully you are more than satisfied with your new device, I will be asleep in an hour but I'll come check it out tomorrow.
Sent it!
I'm using my mums HTC wildfire for now lol
Curious to see how it goes - Samsung USA wouldn't accept my European GN to repair a broken screen...not even for money. I may have to send it back to Europe to get it fixed.
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Curious to see how it goes - Samsung USA wouldn't accept my European GN to repair a broken screen...not even for money. I may have to send it back to Europe to get it fixed.
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That sucks. How much does it cost to ship over to.. lets say the UK
Still haven't received it yet
I think it should come today or tomorrow.
The first time I had the LG G3 I went to return it for an exchange at the last day (my 14th) day. As a result I got into an argument with the sales representative about the display. I told her that the digitizer is visible on mine and it bugs the crap out of me, and so I wanted to excersize my right for an exchange for another G3. Then she started spewing nonsense and saying things like "Well you can't really see it, so it's not a big deal", etc. Well it is a pretty big deal if you buy a $600 product.
We ended up exchanging the phone 2 times straight that day. The second G3 I got had an extremely visible digitizer and the screen had a bad yellow tint. The third G3 was the last they will give me and they made it very clear to me that no matter what it is they won't exchange it. Guess what? It still has a more visible digitizer than my original one and the color temperature was still allot warmer. My whites look...yellowish.
I'm sorry for the rant, but why would those employees give me such a hard time trying to exchange a product? Its rediculus. Now I'm stuck with one worse than the original when it comes to the screen...
Funny never ever ever had a problem returning a phone with in the 14 days
also they will do that if you returned it a time or 2 already it cost the store money each time you do and exchange
also if your a PITA customer lol they will give you a hard time just for the fun of it
It cost the store money end of the day its business
Yeah and I believe their personal statistics (or the store's) are marred due to returns and exchanges.
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The first time I had the LG G3 I went to return it for an exchange at the last day (my 14th) day. As a result I got into an argument with the sales representative about the display. I told her that the digitizer is visible on mine and it bugs the crap out of me, and so I wanted to excersize my right for an exchange for another G3. Then she started spewing nonsense and saying things like "Well you can't really see it, so it's not a big deal", etc. Well it is a pretty big deal if you buy a $600 product.
We ended up exchanging the phone 2 times straight that day. The second G3 I got had an extremely visible digitizer and the screen had a bad yellow tint. The third G3 was the last they will give me and they made it very clear to me that no matter what it is they won't exchange it. Guess what? It still has a more visible digitizer than my original one and the color temperature was still allot warmer. My whites look...yellowish.
I'm sorry for the rant, but why would those employees give me such a hard time trying to exchange a product? Its rediculus. Now I'm stuck with one worse than the original when it comes to the screen...
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I've seen you post about this type of thing in a couple of different places. I think you're being too picky. I think it's very unlikely 3 G3s in a row had problems.
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I've seen you post about this type of thing in a couple of different places. I think you're being too picky. I think it's very unlikely 3 G3s in a row had problems.
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The first one had a minimal visible digitizer with a nice toned display. But it had backlight bleeds on the edge. The second one was just completely washed out with an extremely visible digitizer that it was just exchanged on the spot. The third one I had no choice but to keep, but the digitizer was not as visible and the display still had a yellow tint compared to the original.
If you ask me for $600 I have all the right to exchange the phones all the way until I final have a good one without any physical flaws.
Didn't you return your G3 for dust too? How many have you tried? Gosh you really are trying to break the record of some guy on G+ returning like 10 different G3's at T-Mobile and AT&T. Then he gets mad at T-Mobile for them having to mail him a check even though he paid cash. I think he did that twice. lmao Don't tell that's you? lol
This is more lg's problem. Perhaps you should take it up with them instead of the middle man I bet you would actually get somewhere.
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Didn't you return your G3 for dust too? How many have you tried? Gosh you really are trying to break the record of some guy on G+ returning like 10 different G3's at T-Mobile and AT&T. Then he gets mad at T-Mobile for them having to mail him a check even though he paid cash. I think he did that twice. lmao Don't tell that's you? lol
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That was the first one. The second one was exchanged again on the spot for an obvious faulty display.
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This is more lg's problem. Perhaps you should take it up with them instead of the middle man I bet you would actually get somewhere.
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What are my chances of actually getting a good phone with LG vs T-mobile?
I hate the fact that all the gray colors on my G3 have a yellow tint to them now. Man this kinda blows. Even with I use trickster mod.
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That was the first one. The second one was exchanged again on the spot for an obvious faulty display.
What are my chances of actually getting a good phone with LG vs T-mobile?
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If you tell them what happend at the tmobile store, complain politely and ask them to make sure its good before they send it I bet its a for sure thing
helikido said:
The first time I had the LG G3 I went to return it for an exchange at the last day (my 14th) day. As a result I got into an argument with the sales representative about the display. I told her that the digitizer is visible on mine and it bugs the crap out of me, and so I wanted to excersize my right for an exchange for another G3. Then she started spewing nonsense and saying things like "Well you can't really see it, so it's not a big deal", etc. Well it is a pretty big deal if you buy a $600 product.
We ended up exchanging the phone 2 times straight that day. The second G3 I got had an extremely visible digitizer and the screen had a bad yellow tint. The third G3 was the last they will give me and they made it very clear to me that no matter what it is they won't exchange it. Guess what? It still has a more visible digitizer than my original one and the color temperature was still allot warmer. My whites look...yellowish.
I'm sorry for the rant, but why would those employees give me such a hard time trying to exchange a product? Its rediculus. Now I'm stuck with one worse than the original when it comes to the screen...
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I can consider myself very lucky for owning a flawless unit then.
I know if you came in to my store and tried that you would have gotten turned way and told to take it up with LG since we would have allowed you 1 exchange NOT 2 or 3
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If you tell them what happend at the tmobile store, complain politely and ask them to make sure its good before they send it I bet its a for sure thing
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Think you have to send your phone to LG so you would need another phone. I don't think it's a quick process and I doubt they look over the phone with a magnifying glass to see the slightest thing wrong if it's even wrong. I guess worth a shot. If it was me I would've just returned it and got a different phone or wait a month and try again.
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Think you have to send your phone to LG so you would need another phone. I don't think it's a quick process and I doubt they look over the phone with a magnifying glass to see the slightest thing wrong. I guess worth a shot. If it was me I would've just returned it and got a different phone or wait a month and try again.
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Yeah it will take a week at the minimum to get the new phone more likely 2 - 3. I would have done the same thing as you and got the m8 or s5. Luckily I got a great phone and didn't need to.
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Didn't you return your G3 for dust too? How many have you tried? Gosh you really are trying to break the record of some guy on G+ returning like 10 different G3's at T-Mobile and AT&T. Then he gets mad at T-Mobile for them having to mail him a check even though he paid cash. I think he did that twice. lmao Don't tell that's you? lol
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Do you have the G+ link for that?
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This thread reminds me about being on MacRumors and people talking about how they had returned like seven iPads until they got one that didn't have one of the several ridiculously impossible to notice defects.
This is why I'm glad I don't work retail any more. It made me wish there was a policy to be allowed to slap customers for being absurd.
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I know if you came in to my store and tried that you would have gotten turned way and told to take it up with LG since we would have allowed you 1 exchange NOT 2 or 3
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I know if you tried to do that with me I would be sure to put you in a very very tough position when it comes to your job. If you sell me something, it better be as damn good as it was advertised. If you exchange a faulty product, it better be better and not WORSE than the one I just had.
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If you tell them what happend at the tmobile store, complain politely and ask them to make sure its good before they send it I bet its a for sure thing
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Yes but the problem is that with LG I have to send in the phone. That's something I cannot afford to do since I have no spare phones. Can they not just send me a unit and then I ship mine back?
SomeGuyDude said:
This thread reminds me about being on MacRumors and people talking about how they had returned like seven iPads until they got one that didn't have one of the several ridiculously impossible to notice defects.
This is why I'm glad I don't work retail any more. It made me wish there was a policy to be allowed to slap customers for being absurd.
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If you can not see the flaw, you must be blind. Sorry. But the display models and the first G3 I had where all cooler than the one I currently have...by a good margin. So no, its a very VISIBLE flaw. Well I wouldn't call it a flaw, but out of the ordinary characteristic.
helikido said:
I know if you tried to do that with me I would be sure to put you in a very very tough position when it comes to your job. If you sell me something, it better be as damn good as it was advertised. If you exchange a faulty product, it better be better and not WORSE than the one I just had.
Yes but the problem is that with LG I have to send in the phone. That's something I cannot afford to do since I have no spare phones. Can they not just send me a unit and then I ship mine back?
If you can not see the flaw, you must be blind. Sorry. But the display models and the first G3 I had where all cooler than the one I currently have...by a good margin. So no, its a very VISIBLE flaw. Well I wouldn't call it a flaw, but out of the ordinary characteristic.
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Indecision on the definition of flaw? I think you need a new hobby...this phone thing doesn't seem to be working out for you.
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Indecision on the definition of flaw? I think you need a new hobby...this phone thing doesn't seem to be working out for you.
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Got plenty of hobbies, and this phone thing worked out with me for 5 years just fine.