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is rooting worth??

well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
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kudoboi said:
well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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I recently also moved from HD2 to Desire HD and also don't see the reason for rooting.
I messed around with HD2 because I didn't like WM and I wanted Android.
Now that I have Android as a native OS I also really don't see the need for rooting. I belive that official updates are always way better than the unofficial ones (this ment with all due respect to all of the chefs out there that are trying their best) because unofficial ones have testing cycle that are way smaller and so new versions with fixes tend to come out at least once in a couple of days.
Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. If you think I'm also wrong, please say so.

If you're happy with your phone now then by all means leave it as it is. But as long as you follow instructions to the word, you're not going to brick your device.

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I belive that official updates are always way better than the unofficial ones (this ment with all due respect to all of the chefs out there that are trying their best) because unofficial ones have testing cycle that are way smaller and so new versions with fixes tend to come out at least once in a couple of days.
Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. If you think I'm also wrong, please say so.
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I would have to say that the ROMs I have used (ARHD many versions and CM7 Rc1) that the testing cycle might be smaller but support is generally a lot better than with the official updates.
But in answer to your question is Rooting worth it, well that all depends on what you want from your phone tbh. If you want a customised ROM or the ability to move ALL apps in their entirety to your SD (this is a root only feature) a heavily improved battery life (in some circles) or stock android experience etc, then yea Root that bad boy and enjoy.
If however you are a standard user then it really is not worth it. I rooted mine as i wanted to eek out some extra battery and performance. It was worth it.

I'm new to rooting & flashing roms this week, had my dhd since oct last year & kept it legit until now.
Everything's gone fine for me - downgraded from official ota 2.2.1 (1.72.xxx.x) to 2.2 (1.32.xxx.x - PD98IMG.zip file) so i could root (didn't need goldcard, phone unlocked & unbranded from new)
I got a RUU just in case though.
Did the s-off & radio off thing (couldn't be any easier), put revolution rom on first, but didn't think much of it, so now i'm on CM7... loving it, but it's early days.
Still got to work out how to get the market back (google apps file needed i think).
Originally rooted so i could get my bluetooth keyboard working with my dhd, revolution made no difference, CM7 is looking promising.

kudoboi said:
well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
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Hi!
Is root worth it?
Well. I can only speak for my self of course. Where I live, Google has not yet opened up for paid apps. It is possible to circumvent but, for me, the easiest solution requires root.
If I want to clarify a problem or a solution, e.g. at xda, it is nice to be able to add a screen dump. This is possible through Android SDK, but i haven't, as of yet, figured out how to do this. Anyway you need to be hooked up to a computer to do this which kind of negates the idea of posting from the phone. There's an app to do this as well but again, this requires root.
Living in a small arctic town the weather app hasn't got my location in the database. It is possible and quite easy to remedy this issue but - u guessed it - requires root.
I guess it comes down to personal preferences which, at least for me, has got a lot to do with where I live.
Can you get by without root? Good for you, best of luck etc.
I can't.
Regards Elo.
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Like it was pointed out, the main advantage are the custom ROMs or kernels. The apache 13 kernels have great performance.
If you don't plan on using them root isn't that needed though. On the other hand rooting is almost risk free with the new one click tools.

If you have to ask. Then no.
Personally, I'm not much for sense and I love to play around with different Roms, kernels, overclocking and all that.
I can only think of one thing worth rooting for if you're not going to flash, overclock and so on. And that is the fact one can remove those bloody ads with Adfree.

kudoboi said:
well ive rooted my prev phone n caused it to brick n i cant think of any reasons to root dhd
app2sd - 2.2 already have them
roms - same as any app launcher in market(?)
getting 2.3 etc ealier - id rather wait fr official since i like htc sense anyway.
higher cpu - the phone is way fast enough for me... the 2.2.1 update improved the lag by alot.. i did not get any lag since update.
access to apps like screencast - maybe
removing apps that cannot be removed - i dont want to remove em
improved camera etc in roms - yet again 2.2.1 basically fixed every problem on this phone like low volume, bad camera, lag etc
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Bottom Point: HUGE BATTERY LIFE IMPROVEMENT!!
You decide.

im in a urban area so i dont need root to unlock app market and hidden apps and paid apps.. im have 16 hrs a day n my phone is usually connected to the pc... so charging is not a problem fr me... n 2.2.1 did improve the battery by alot... i did nt touch the phone fr 7 hours and the battery only went down by 2%
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If you are pleased with your DHD with sesnse don't. But you asking therfor i think you are courious. Read about it here in XDA and the different threads, collect information and when your couriosity gets to big you know where to find the info.

Why should I use CM7?

I am currently using CR OTA Froyo... whats the real benefits of CM7 I flashed it while it was pre-RC and just went back because of minor issues... but now since in past RC1 what are the Pros...Cons...

Everthing is better more options n speed n customize more space looks trust me ull nevrr go bak.
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What kind of issues did you have? Maybe they've been resolved?
I like CM7 a bunch, Stable is great... although my wifi is acting up.

i went from cm rc1 build for a few weeks to OTA for half a day then got the cm7, gotta sasy CM7 > RC1 > OTA all the way, the only thing is no gps but who cares

I tried CM7-RC4 and honestly, I missed Sense. I want a phone that is completely stable, I don't want to have to wonder if my wi-fi or bluetooth or gps is or isn't gonna work today. I'm using the rooted official 2.2.1 that was released along with Dark Tremor's a2sd which lets me move all my apps and the dalvik cache to the sd card, giving me amazing amounts of memory on the phone and it is super fast. And everything works perfect: wi-fi, bluetooth, gps, websites with flash.

Well I installed cm7 again... And it works ok... Randomly reboots periodically. Still don't really see the point, only benefit I get its I don't get memory low errors as I did with OTA 2.2.1
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I agree with these statements so far, cm7 is great, with amy rom there is going to be some pros and cons. In most cases gps and/or wifi doesn't work. Hence why I stick to sense, also for me the theme is a negative for me, lack of support for sense widgets which most people tend to grow accustom to. As of now I'm running the rooted ota, modded by me. gold carded 8 gb sd, custom boot animation. No longer s-off. That was my own fault on my behalf of user stupidity, applying the update from t-mobile. Anyways, if your willing to lose sense and its widgets, and to-my-knowledge cm7's gps won't work, for more internal storage and possible performance reaction wise, cm7 other wise stock with sense.

use CM7 cause its coool...
Lol sorry im bored here at work atm but why its on all personal preference
I use cm7 on the slide cause i dont like all the bloatware on others/or lack of deving /support, and CM roms are most supported rom for themes and fixes/and ports,
and considering seems to be the rom that has most of the stuff in it working fully or to a degree where it is usable
thats things i can only think of now..

Imo there is no reason to go with cm7. I hear stuff about less bloatware but, there isn't much bloatware to begin with. I have about 20 apps installed and still have 130mb of free space on the phone. Just use aps2sd cachesd and a class 6 card and be done with it. I get the beutiful sense weather clock widget, the very pretty and functional htc sense mp3 player, and everything works with no issues and the phone is just as fast as cm7. Just make sure you update the kernel to the one nbetcher requests you use. I just wish he would have left myfaves in as I liked being able to quickly select the person I wanted to text or call. I also still have the myfaves account with tmobile.

icoman said:
Imo there is no reason to go with cm7. I hear stuff about less bloatware but, there isn't much bloatware to begin with. I have about 20 apps installed and still have 130mb of free space on the phone. Just use aps2sd cachesd and a class 6 card and be done with it. I get the beutiful sense weather clock widget, the very pretty and functional htc sense mp3 player, and everything works with no issues and the phone is just as fast as cm7. Just make sure you update the kernel to the one nbetcher requests you use. I just wish he would have left myfaves in as I liked being able to quickly select the person I wanted to text or call. I also still have the myfaves account with tmobile.
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You could try this one, it is the stock final OTA ROM but is already rooted and retains the older HBOOT (not the new 1.0) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042472
I'm running it with apps2sd and a Class 10 card, with /data and dalvik cache going to the ext3 partition. It is super fast, and still has all the goodies like faves and genius functions.

I tried 3rd Sense ROM (I hate T-Mobile's crappy Sense mod) and went back to CM 7 in a week. It has a whole lot of options that can make your phone actually yours. The T-Mobile Theme Chooser is great and there is a decent amount of themes for it on XDA and on the market. It is a whole lot smoother and I prefer stock over Sense. I hate bloatware and CM 7 has no bloatware (unless you think ADW.Launcher is bloatware). CM 7 is a ROM that is actually constantly updated and everything works 100% for me (Nightly Build 42 has the wi-fi drivers that HTC release so wi-fi works great and GPS was never a problem for me).
Sense Widgets are great but you can find something on the market that looks like the widgets and usually behaves better (you can skin them, etc.) I use Beautiful Widgets for my clock/weather needs.
Also the flash lite thing, it doesn't work for anything "major" I tried to run some embedded youtube videos when I was on a website and the youtube video was jerky and laggy. Better to use the actually youtube app and unless you enjoy watching choppy, laggy videos that drain half you battery in like 15 min, go ahead and use flash lite

UberMario said:
I tried 3rd Sense ROM (I hate T-Mobile's crappy Sense mod) and went back to CM 7 in a week. It has a whole lot of options that can make your phone actually yours. The T-Mobile Theme Chooser is great and there is a decent amount of themes for it on XDA and on the market. It is a whole lot smoother and I prefer stock over Sense. I hate bloatware and CM 7 has no bloatware (unless you think ADW.Launcher is bloatware). CM 7 is a ROM that is actually constantly updated and everything works 100% for me (Nightly Build 42 has the wi-fi drivers that HTC release so wi-fi works great and GPS was never a problem for me).
Sense Widgets are great but you can find something on the market that looks like the widgets and usually behaves better (you can skin them, etc.) I use Beautiful Widgets for my clock/weather needs.
Also the flash lite thing, it doesn't work for anything "major" I tried to run some embedded youtube videos when I was on a website and the youtube video was jerky and laggy. Better to use the actually youtube app and unless you enjoy watching choppy, laggy videos that drain half you battery in like 15 min, go ahead and use flash lite
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My experience has been very different from yours. The Sense ROMs perform very well here without an issue. That's the beauty of Android, we can have different versions to suit our individual tastes. You like CM7 better, I like the Sense ROMs, and we both win.

CM7.0.2 wins for me
I put off rooting my Slide for months because I was afraid of losing all the Sense UI stuff. But there were some things that became intolerable for me.
T-Mo puts that faves button next to the app drawer. My hand would hit it all the time on accident. I hate Faves. I think the concept is like making a redundant speed dial that is really slow and buggy and adds duplicate notifications when you get a text. I hated it.
It didn't help my opinion that the T-Mo apps broke every other month.
The HTC widgets are kinda cool but the animated rain gets old. The weather reporting was sub par anyway since about every third day the forecast would be completely off. I was, and still am, looking for a widget that pulls data from wunderground.com.
So, I finally made the jump when I saw CM7 released a stable. I got it. It worked really well. My phone got a lot faster overnight. T-Mo released the official update 3 days later and I put it on the wife's slide.
I am happy to report that side by side my slide is faster. I get all the same stuff she got but I can modify a lot of things she can't. CM7 settings makes really simple changes and tweaks easy. Like changing the notification pull down. Can't do that with Sense. You get what they give you.
Lastly, if you want some really good looking widgets try Minimalistic Text. Great looking, highly customizable and available to anyone.

well lets put it this way good sir its really up to you and what you want out of your phone for someone like yourself crmod might be better its just as stable as offical just allows you to keep root. i myself love cm7 and call me really lucky or whatnot i have no issues with cm 7 and never have my wifi is always flawless wifi hotspots are always working with pc bluetooth works great phone raido everything i have never had any issues. i did loose my s-off for being a dumbass and trying the new offical 2.2 tmob software that lasted mmm 2 hours and i had to re root that wasnt fun and now happy again. cm is good for me because i never had any issues some folks do though but much more options in cm that stock ever will have and my phone runs so much faster but i would check out cr mod you would like that and be able to keep root and all

[Q] Will rooting to 2.3 disable htcsense.com?

Hi! I got my shiny new Desire HD yesterday (upgraded from an iphone) and by god do I love it, just perfect for me.
Although with it comes a lot of.. junk that I simply do not need (scrolling through a good 30 apps just to get to my most used), plus I heard that 2.3 (Specifically Cyanogenmod 7) brings with it better battery, better performance and with it being rooted, more features.
I'm looking to root it as soon as possible before I start putting a lot of things on it, rather than do a lot with it now and then have to do it again a couple months down the road.
My main question is, I love htcsense.com and I love the extra features it gives me, especially being able to track the phone, gives me much needed peace of mind, if I root to a 2.3 ROM (probably cm7) will htcsense.com no longer work?
Thankyou for any/all replies, oh and a little quickie at the end, I'm planning to go with cm7 because it seems the most basic and customizable for my needs, and battery life is a huge plus for me as I'm planning to use this beauty in and around college, is cm7 a good idea?
Thank you and have a great day.

If that HTC feature relies on having the app on the phone then it wont work as CM7 is not a Sense ROM and contains no sense applications.
Neither do I believe simply installing the apk, if possible, would work.
Be nice to be wrong though.
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Ahh, so in short, no?
Fair enough, is there a way to install the part needed for it to work after rooting it with cm7?

Probably not. Again, hope I'm wrong because it is a great utility that would otherwise cost you (Wavesecure app for example and I believe one of the anti-virus apps provides same functionality).
If anyone has the apk I'd happily try it but IIRC the apps rely on the Sense framework.
Bear with me, just checking this out.
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Confirmed. Without the apk installed the phone can't communicate with the HTC servers.
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Hi there,
i've recently rooted my Desire HD (and upgraded to 2.3.3) & I can tell you that HTCsense still works. No idea about if it still works on non-sense roms such as CM7 or not.
I've been using RCMix and Android Revolution roms in the past week & both of them are a lot better than the stock Froyo that my phone came with though.

Did a search and found an apk but it is confirmed that it will not run on AOSP ROMs such as Cyanogenmod.
The only option you have would be to run a Sense based ROM then install something like ADW.Launcher which has categorised app drawer (meaning you can choose what apps appear).
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Thankyou for the replies you've really helped.
Does sense rom mean, a rom that has HTC sense enabled? I assume it does.
Also, if I want to get 2.3+ android with sense so I can use the htcsense.com service, which rom would be best to root too? I've only ever heard of cm7, that's about it.
Thanks again!

Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!

h3dfuk said:
Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!
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Does it improve the battery life at all?
Oh also, is it easy to change back to the original ROM that came with the phone in-case of any warranty issues? Coredroid just doesn't look as.. polished as cyanogen, I could be completely wrong though.
If so, I'll root it today! Love the community by the way, I can't say anything bad about the iPhone community really, although they seem to care a lot less.
Does rooting to an Android 2.3 ROM bring everything that normal Android 2.3 brings and then depending on the ROM, special things? So it doesn't matter what ROM I get that's 2.3 they'll all have 2.3 Android features?

Do a backup in Tom manager in case you want to go back to your previous rom. Coredroid is a very fast rom IMO, but its dependent on how you use it much like any other rom really.
batery life is better than stock but again you will need to be mindful of gps and wifi etc. An awesome gingerbread kernel to improve battery life does not yet exist.

Fantastic, I'll give CoreDroid a try then, thankyou for your help, you've been very useful and informative.
One last thing before I begin the process, what is Tom manager? I did a quick google search and a look into the market but found nothing, did you mean Rom manager?

my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.

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my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.
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Ahh, I got it and I'm trying to backup my current ROM but I need to install "clockwordmod recovery" and whenever I try I get a "An error occurred while attempting to run privilged commands!" which is a shame.
Oh, and is there an up-to-date guide on how to root? Pardon my ignorance.

You need root first.
There's several "how to's" in the development forum. More information than we could put here (or should).

Sorry, I'm being incredibly silly, I keep getting ROM's and rooting mixed up, I'm in the process of rooting it now then I'll install a ROM, I haven't decided which yet but I might.. shop around, sorta speak.
Thanks for the help guys, take care.

Because sense apps aren't running in background, Cyanogen should be less stressful on the battery. However stock roms are usually not developed to maximize battery life in the same way custom roms are (afterall, battery life is a bugbear for developers too!). With this in mind, Coredroid even with sense is still better on your battery life than stock sense. Its all dependent on how you use it though (turn off GPS and wifi when no longer required etc..). Intensive use will naturally drain your battery sooner than conservative use. If you find battery life a pain with any rom, you could try juice defender free to automatically regulate consumption of battery.
Best advice, try a number of mods every week or so, and settle on one you like once you've experienced them. You souls also download battery calibrator from market and use after every flash to help you with the battery.

After a little soulsearching I'm going to give RCMixHD a try, it seems very popular which is usually a good sign, it has sense 3.0 and 2.3.3 Android so it's practically perfect.
The only thing I'm puzzled by now is "radios" I've worked out that they determine call reception and 3G+HSPDA whatnots, but do I actually need a new one before/after flashing to a new ROM? There seems to be a lot of radios out there and I have no clue which to go with and what they do.

Oh, also, does overclocking your phone as you have done have a huge impact on the battery life? I assume it has atleast some impact.

Only certain roms currently support overclocking, with some having the ability only after a kernel flash. CM7.0.2 however comes with ability without need to install anything else. You will need SetCPU to overclock and select a governor to regulate how power is maintained. You need to set minimum frequency when phone is idle etc.. It's easier than it sounds but do read into the overclocking threads for dhd we have here if in any doubt.

Need help finding ROMs, choosing which to try

I am trying to flash my Inc with a new ROM for the first time, but it seems like more than half the ROMs on this page are either removed by the developer or cant be downloaded because the download links are dead.
Any tips on what to try first, based on what available still? The only thing I am concerned with is that the ROM is stable and compatible with as many of the stock functions as possible, stuff like broken radios is not what I am looking for right now. Would be kinda cool to try one as different from stock as possible. Does CM7 work well on the Inc? I keep seeing people talking about stuff that is broken with it.

Miui 2.3.2
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Ice Cream Sandwich. Abduction by Hanger84 is smoother than the Sense ROMs.
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Abduction is good to try if you want to experice ice cream.... but prepare for some bugs and missing features ( ie Camcorder, camera, & flash on websites and netflix) I suggest one of the gingerbread Roms or Froyo Roms. CM 7 or 8 should be fine, but you loose some of the things you may be accustomed to in Sense (Widgets). But there are pretty good apps that can do what sense does, you just have to look for them.

I'm using CM 7.2 RC1 (RC2 crashes right away for me) with latest ICS Incredikernal and SmartassV2 governor, fully over-clocked. Never crashes, everything works but, of course, 720p recording. I even found decent settings for auto-brightness (Make about 16 levels, start out at ~70, go up in ~5 point increments, then increase. Set Window Length to 5 secs). I have tried three ICS roms but always went back.
I'm using the new Go Launcher but it has a couple of bugs. Clear its data to get the large icons if you are stuck on small. To change settings on the large weather clock you have to do it via the small weather clock.

I use CyanogenMod 7.2. Along with Chad/Tiny's Incredikernel, Jermaine/Tiny's EXT4All mod, and Launcher Pro. Speedy and battery efficient. The latest RC should be fine, I'm on one of the nightlies and have been using Pons' KANGs when his computer was still working.
In addition to Sonny Sekhon's Ice Cream Sandwich CM7 Theme.
If you like the stock ROM, and want something stable and based off of it, Liberation 3.0 is a good choice. It is basically a rooted, debloated, stock ROM. I keep a copy on my SD card incase I need access to EPST or just feel like using Sense.
ICS is getting there, but the laggy animations and general speed have kept me away. It seems to me that the current hardware acceleration isn't 100% implemented. But I have never used ICS outside of the Incredible. So I don't have room to compare.

I'm with the majority here. CM 7.2 RC2 is great. I actually have stock kernel though, I am not sure if performance is better with incredikernel but I can tell you that CM7 is TONS better than stock in terms of battery life, customization, and overall android experience. I like sense but on the Inc, it's like they stopped trying...
P.S. - I also use GO Launcher EX with kovdev's ICS theme.

Well I just switched from Abduction to CM9 and so far CM9 is much better!!
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Batttie said:
Well I just switched from Abduction to CM9 and so far CM9 is much better!!
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See if Youtube works. Didn't for me. I ended up using the Go Launcher anyway so the experience was the same for me. There weren't as many stock apps like Car Home and the music widget is not the big one. Things like Phone and Calculator open slowly. Never did crash tho or even lag.

Hi, I am new to XDA and was looking for some links to the cm9 rom for DINC. I am currently running aokp_inc_build-25 and its nice but I have had some issues with it specifically with the camera not working properly.
Thank you in advance for the assistance.

raderator said:
See if Youtube works. Didn't for me. I ended up using the Go Launcher anyway so the experience was the same for me. There weren't as many stock apps like Car Home and the music widget is not the big one. Things like Phone and Calculator open slowly. Never did crash tho or even lag.
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I use a app called play on for YouTube Netflix and a lot of other video sites.. yea the camera fix seems to break playback on YouTube.. but I'm optimistic that those issues will be worked out since cm9 is still in development. What I love is that every feature u find in other Asop roms u can get apps that do that... so u can customize it better for your own personal taste and still have better stability!!!!!
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Ok before I started getting replies here I dl'd Touch of Blue and Stock+, tried ToB for the week and it was ok but started to crash and lag a lot. The latter may have been due to my SetCPU settings, I dunno, but it was getting hung up on simple apps, and I did not like a couple things about it, like getting calls when the screen is off required you to unlock it, then unlock it again at the receiving call screen. Also didnt like the battery meter.
Just installed Stock+ and immediately realized it wouldn't work at all when I saw that the App Data partition was still at 150MB. Thats the whole reason I rooted, so there is no way I am using a ROM that is eventually gonna give me the Low space messages again.
GOnna try the ones you guys suggested now

I like Wildstangs stock ROM, and gtiny's kernel. I used root app delete to debloat it. And run the on demand deadline settings and can go 11 hours on a full charge with heavy use.
I also like the last stable release of CM7.1.0 it is smoking fast and way less issues then the nightlies or kangs to me.
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CM7.2 couldn't figure out how to add my Google account. Also couldnt disable the camera shutter sound.
Tried Liberation but the App Data partition is still only 150MB; as soon as I restore my apps its gonna be out of space again.

ALL ROMs for the Incredible are going to have a 150 MB data/data partition. It's the way HTC made it. The only way around it is with the EXT4All mod. More information here. The file you're looking for to remove the limit is "Convert2Ext4_no_data_limit_normal_dalvik.zip".
And there is an options in the CM7 sound settings to disable the shutter sound. Called "Mute camera shutter".

Ok I found the camera sound setting, thanks. Any advice on getting the Google account to work? The Account settings were trying to setup an email thing, not my Google account
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Figured out that I need to flash the Google apps pack on CM7 to get that all to work, but ClockworkMod kept failing to mount the pack when I tried to install it. Now I am back on Liberation, because at least here I have my Google account with contacts, but I cannot get the EXT4 fix to work. I download it, open it with Clockwork, tell it to reboot and apply, but it fails to mount it, just like the Google apps pack problem. Using Clockwork 5.0.2.0

[Q] Are the relatively newer ROMS too heavy for Desire Z ?

Hi guys,
I have question regarding my HTC Desire Z .. Ever since I rooted the phone about 1.5 years ago, and have been trying out the newer ROMs, I've slowly realized that my phone is getting slower, slower, and slower .. I'm currently using a Jellybean ROM, and its *extremely* slow ! I mean, at times I receive a call, and the ringer rings about 5-6 times, and during all this time, the phone doesn't have the juice to switch to the phone app, so that I can 'accept' the call ! Ultimately the call disconnects itself!
A friend recently suggested to me that maybe the newer ROMs are two powerful for my phone, and that I need to move to an older Android version ROM, which my Desire Z CAN handle, without this much lag !
Also, I hardly have any apps installed on my phone at all, in an attempt to keep the load low .. I also use 'Advance Task Killer' regularly to kill background apps, but it doesn't really improve anything ..
What can I do to improve the speed of my phone !? I really pisses me off to see a 10-15 second lag when I call someone !

Get rid of the task killer first of all...
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i own desire z. installed flinnys 128 (jb) and everything works EXTREMELY smooth! no lag!!!!
just try it!

demkantor said:
Get rid of the task killer first of all...
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Task Killer is not the issue, as I only installed it the other day .. The condition was same before as well ..

d_gkal said:
i own desire z. installed flinnys 128 (jb) and everything works EXTREMELY smooth! no lag!!!!
just try it!
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I dont think it will make any difference .. I've tried many different ROMs, and its always the same condition with all ... Sometimes my phone become *so* unresponsive that I just feel like smashing it on the ground ! (When I really get upset!)
Also, on another note, when I open Advanced Task Killer, it shows me the amount of free RAM on the top .. Most of the times this value is between 60 MB ~ 100 MB, and sometimes between 100 MB ~ 140 MB .. If never seen this value go above 135 MB or so ... And Desire Z is supposed to have 512 MB of RAM

just full wipe and reflash the rom

d_gkal said:
just full wipe and reflash the rom
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If I do that, it will initially be fast .. Even if I install all my apps on the first day, it will still be okay in terms of speed ... But give it a week, it eventually becomes slow .. very slow! .. And the odd thing is, during this week, I don't necessary install/uninstall anything .. the phone just ****s itself in somehow ... And then from then on, it remains slow, no matter what ...
I open Google Maps, takes like 15 seconds to open .. takes another 60 seconds to go to Google Navigation, and then further lags after that ..
Basically there's a lag in *everything* !
Is there a way I can see what is slowing down the phone ?!
Also, is it true or not whether an older phone, such as Desire Z, can or cannot handle a relatively newer Android version ROM ? Maybe this is why the latest Android versions are NOT officially available for phones many times, because the manufacturer knows the device cannot handle that newer Android version ?

If your rom supports ext partitions, make sure all of yours are formatted that way. Chances are you have sopme bad apps, a logcat may hedlp determin abused wake locks or memory leaks. Also you can try downloading battery batt stats or watchdog for more infor
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ahmadka said:
Hi guys,
I have question regarding my HTC Desire Z .. Ever since I rooted the phone about 1.5 years ago, and have been trying out the newer ROMs, I've slowly realized that my phone is getting slower, slower, and slower .. I'm currently using a Jellybean ROM, and its *extremely* slow ! I mean, at times I receive a call, and the ringer rings about 5-6 times, and during all this time, the phone doesn't have the juice to switch to the phone app, so that I can 'accept' the call ! Ultimately the call disconnects itself!
A friend recently suggested to me that maybe the newer ROMs are two powerful for my phone, and that I need to move to an older Android version ROM, which my Desire Z CAN handle, without this much lag !
Also, I hardly have any apps installed on my phone at all, in an attempt to keep the load low .. I also use 'Advance Task Killer' regularly to kill background apps, but it doesn't really improve anything ..
What can I do to improve the speed of my phone !? I really pisses me off to see a 10-15 second lag when I call someone !
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i had a play with elitemod ics the other day & it was defiantly slower than the GB version... it was using more or less double the ram which i suspect is the real problem.....

Yes its true the newer versions are more hungry. We touched on it in one of the andromadus threads recently. I believe the issue to be the cpu. The nexus s has the same amount of ram as us and although its not as good on there as the gnex, its still good. Having bumped my lower cpu limit a notch, its much better. I also tried a few upper limits and found that 1200 to be best as it suffers with animation under that.
But then all dz's are different. Stay on your rom and bump up the lower limits a few clicks and let us know what you think.
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I've noticed the slowdowns happening with negligible CPU load and no memory constraints. I suspect a problem with the kernel. At the times it happens, the phone seems to be just doing *nothing*.

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If your rom supports ext partitions, make sure all of yours are formatted that way. Chances are you have sopme bad apps, a logcat may hedlp determin abused wake locks or memory leaks. Also you can try downloading battery batt stats or watchdog for more infor
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Is there any other thing I can try apart from logcat ? I installed Watchdog a few hours ago, but so far it hasn't reported anything out of the way ..
What does have ext partitions do ? How does that speed up the OS ?
Also, I'm probably going to be re-flashing another ROM soon, so please suggest me a ROM ... I'm looking for maximum longterm stability and responsiveness here, so even if a ROM isn't the newest or the most feature-filled, I can still try it out ..
And what is Superwipe (read it in another thread) ?
Normally, when I restore stuff after installing a ROM, I download a fresh copy of the app from the Store, and only restore the app's data using titanium .. is this okay ?

For the sake of starting fresh, flash the ext 4 recovery and flash mimicry as your rom. Read all suggestions in the first few post on mimicry, to flash 4ext I made a thread, you'll find it the first page or so in the general section (dzhboot or something)
Mimicry is one of the best made best performing full featured ics roms for our phones, partitioning everything to 4ext (easily done through recovery) will make it far better. Other bonus tweaks will be added in.
There (in my opinion) are beter performing gingerbread roms, but I do sugest mimicry as it is amazing and the dev has laid out a wealth of knowledge in the first few posts
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demkantor said:
For the sake of starting fresh, flash the ext 4 recovery and flash mimicry as your rom. Read all suggestions in the first few post on mimicry, to flash 4ext I made a thread, you'll find it the first page or so in the general section (dzhboot or something)
Mimicry is one of the best made best performing full featured ics roms for our phones, partitioning everything to 4ext (easily done through recovery) will make it far better. Other bonus tweaks will be added in.
There (in my opinion) are beter performing gingerbread roms, but I do sugest mimicry as it is amazing and the dev has laid out a wealth of knowledge in the first few posts
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I'm assuming you're referring to this thread: http://www.forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1714187
Well this is the ROM I'm currently using, which I flashed about 2 months ago, which is giving me all these performance issues ..
I went through the first few pages, but I didn't find any instructions on 4EXT ... The only thing I found was in the OP's FAQ in the start, which said that you should apply ext by downloading 4ext from Play Store, if you get lags ..
Anywhere else I can look ?

Look in general section, somewhere in the first page I posted a thread called dzhboot on g2 or something to that extent, one of the first few posts I eplain how to flash 4ext recovery.
One of the fastest roms I have used is elitemod cm7, maybe try that
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I have been wondering the same as the OP. I have been using andromadus and andromadus mimicry roms for the past few month. I tired cm9 unofficial but it was no different to mimicry in terms of lag. Currently on flinny's jb beta http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005136. Lag is not terrible but too often I am looking at a white screen waiting for something to happen.
I often experience lags opening apps like phone and browser (any browser). Phone hanging when trying to make a call is particularly annoying because my wife asks "why is your phone so ****?"
I would love to have a really smooth experience like others report but even with a fresh wipe I seem to have trouble. When I try to reduce the process limit i still seem to have too many processes running. What should i look for in logcat in terms of tracking down the problem?
Maybe 4ext will sort it out? I am very loathe to go back to a cm7 rom.

Ext4 worked really well for me to speed up my phone.. I highly recommend it.
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alexnh said:
I have been wondering the same as the OP. I have been using andromadus and andromadus mimicry roms for the past few month. I tired cm9 unofficial but it was no different to mimicry in terms of lag. Currently on flinny's jb beta http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005136. Lag is not terrible but too often I am looking at a white screen waiting for something to happen.
I often experience lags opening apps like phone and browser (any browser). Phone hanging when trying to make a call is particularly annoying because my wife asks "why is your phone so ****?"
I would love to have a really smooth experience like others report but even with a fresh wipe I seem to have trouble. When I try to reduce the process limit i still seem to have too many processes running. What should i look for in logcat in terms of tracking down the problem?
Maybe 4ext will sort it out? I am very loathe to go back to a cm7 rom.
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It's gotta be a certain app your installing thats hogging all your memory, I been running mimicry ever since blk released it n have had very few slowdowns.
Never had a problem receiving/making calls 'wiping' is not the same as 'superwiping' its different then just the name, I suggest you do some reading up before flashing any more roms.

tarroyo said:
It's gotta be a certain app your installing thats hogging all your memory, I been running mimicry ever since blk released it n have had very few slowdowns.
Never had a problem receiving/making calls 'wiping' is not the same as 'superwiping' its different then just the name, I suggest you do some reading up before flashing any more roms.
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i superwipe, and i've been flashing roms since the g1. I am not seeing any particular process hogging resources. this current jb beta is pretty good but still get some lagging at random.
if that were the case I would love to try and find out what it is.
it seems to me that a minority of users report lags in rom threads and are dismissed without ever really getting to the root of the problem.
I would really like to try and get to the bottom of it. I am going to move to ext4 but if there are other troubleshooting steps to take I am all ears.

Ext4 alone will make a huge difference, and most of the rest of the slow downs will be do to apps/running services which can be seen with a logcat what is continually trying to use cpu resources
If only a minority report slowdowns then either that minority has a different idea of how the phone should run/ they use the phone in a completley different way/ or have different settings and apps then most have.
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