Develop Bugs

[Q] Benchmark questions!

First off I'm fairly aware of the fact that benchmarks are not accurate representations of the day to day real life usefulness of the handset.
That said, I used both linpack and quadrant standard edition for the first time tonight while testing another kernel with my current rom (which is cm7, ggingerbread-6).
At the conclusion of my testing it was very obvious that one kernel completely outclassed the other in a benchmarking situation, however something else became apparent that leads to this post.
If I follow and believe everyone else's benchmark scores, even those posted an hour earlier in the same kernel thread, then I might have the slowest Evo on planet earth.
I see other users of the same rom and kernal posting scores which are never below 1500 in quadrant, I saw one instance of 1300 but nonetheless, even overclocking to 1075 I can barely break 1100 and usually fall just below that. Sadly enough on the "slower" of the 2 kernals I was barely surpassing 900.
Now on the linpack side of things I don't have any comparative scores to judge against, but ill post what I received anyhow for information's sake. On the "faster" of the two kernels (the one that came prebuilt into the rom) I was getting between 33-34, on the new kernel I was testing I was getting between 19 and 22, these are all "mflops" of course, whatever that may be.
Someone give me some information or advice here! Do I just happen to have a slow evolution, or are others either exaggerating or using some trick/mod/tweak I'm royalty unaware of??
Thanks in advance!

some people brag, some people cheat, most have low scores, few have high, there isn't a very good baseline and the benchmark programs dont scale very well at all, I have run 1800 scores and I have run 600 scores, guess what. both roms were smooth and you wouldn't have been able to tell a difference, what does that mean? do we believe the benchmark programs? are they spitting a random number at us? who knows! dont believe them, be satisfied with how your evo is running and if it's not running very well then try a different kernel or rom, keep trying new ones until your satisfied, only then will some benchmark program output not mean a thing

Most of my Quadrant benchmarks with aftermarket ROMS+kernels have been in the 1100-1400 range, using VaelPak and various kernels to get most of the better scores there. The highest I've had was CM7RC1 with the SnapTurbo kernel, got an 1821. It was unusable, though.
I've come to the conclusion that the benchmarks aren't as important as battery life, especially with the Evo.

Biggest reason for the huge difference in numbers? Different versions of the app. The dev changed how it rates phones.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

Thanks!
Explained. I knew they were totally not concurrent with the outward performance and usability of the device, and for what its worth while I've only ever flashed a total of 3 roms, this one is perfect for me and I seem to be one of the rare few with no problems whatsoever, everything works exactly as I would expect it to. So yes, l never feared my device was suddenly slower now that I knew the all knowing superultrabenchmark number.

EVO vs THUNDERBOLT

Hey guys dont kno if this the right place to post this here but please understand Im really trying to help keep this forum organized. Last night I was out with a friend who just purchased the stock(not rooted) HTC Thunderbolt from Verizon. This phone as Im sure u kno has almost exactly the same features as the Evo. Both hav 1Ghz processors,runnin Andoid 2.2.Now my Evo on the other hand is rooted currently running Eternal Prophecy v4.9 with netarchy toastmod 4.3.4 kernal. It is overclocked to 1.152Ghz and runnin pretty smooth right now. Well heres the thing we did a Quadrant test on both devices at the exact same time and I was AMAZED at the speed of the Thunderbold. It had a score of 1850(stock,not rooted) and I had a 1350 on my rooted Evo and it was even overclocked! WOW I was speachless and actually felt dumb cuz I was bragging that mine was rooted with a custom ROM and it would b faster...lol. So what do u guys think bout that? I could just imagine what kind of benchmark scores the Thunderbolt would get if it was rooted and overclocked.

Evo = QSD8650 cpu
Thunderbolt = MSM8655 cpu
Not the same processor.
Evo = Adreno 200 gpu
Thunderbolt = Adreno 205 gpu
Not the same graphics processsor, either.
Evo = 512 MB RAM
Thunderbolt = 768 MB RAM
The Thunderbolt was released after the Evo and does have newer/better hardware in it. It can be overclocked to 2.0 from what I've seen and would really put a pounding on our Evos that way.

I'm aware of the increased speed of the Thunderbolt in comparison to the EVO 4G. There have been several articles about it, however, I've yet to play around with the Thunderbolt. I'm unaware of the software version or how it is optimized for increased speed. I thought it sported a 1.2 GHz processor, but again, I'm guessing. I'm not going to give up my EVO for the TB unless Sprint ticks me off and cause me to cancel my service. I'm waiting on a speedier processor and possibly a dual core device.
Posting & replying via the XDA Premium app

jro73 said:
Hey guys dont kno if this the right place to post this here but please understand Im really trying to help keep this forum organized. Last night I was out with a friend who just purchased the stock(not rooted) HTC Thunderbolt from Verizon. This phone as Im sure u kno has almost exactly the same features as the Evo. Both hav 1Ghz processors,runnin Andoid 2.2.Now my Evo on the other hand is rooted currently running Eternal Prophecy v4.9 with netarchy toastmod 4.3.4 kernal. It is overclocked to 1.152Ghz and runnin pretty smooth right now. Well heres the thing we did a Quadrant test on both devices at the exact same time and I was AMAZED at the speed of the Thunderbold. It had a score of 1850(stock,not rooted) and I had a 1350 on my rooted Evo and it was even overclocked! WOW I was speachless and actually felt dumb cuz I was bragging that mine was rooted with a custom ROM and it would b faster...lol. So what do u guys think bout that? I could just imagine what kind of benchmark scores the Thunderbolt would get if it was rooted and overclocked.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They may both have 1ghz processors, however the EVO has a 1st gen QSD8650 processor with the Adreno 200, the Tbolt has a 2nd gen MSM8655 with the adreno 205, the 2nd gen processor will perform alot quicker, and it has a slightly more powerful graphics processor, combined make the phone faster than the EVO on quadrant scores. However both phones are quick overall in terms of performance.
BUT, if your sooo stuck on quadrant scores, flash CM6 with the Snapdragon kernel, and overclock it, and you can show him your 2800 quadrant score.

Cm6 haha with snap kernel and Turbo enabled. Not really fair tho
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

Thanks guys I appreciate the info. My brother is with Verizon and asked me wat phone to get and I did mention the Thunderbolt. It seems like a solid phone so I recommended it. Im a big fan of HTC so I think he wont go wrong there. I will try Cm6 but the only reason I havnt flashed any Cm Roms is cuz I want a more stable rom with everything working. I hav 4g in my area and I use my navigation often. Plus I really like have a 720p video recording handy. So if any Cm Rom can offer that I will give a shot!

[Q] Linpack scores

If you check Engadgets review of the Galaxy Nexus, you will see it getting outgunned by the RAZR in Linpack.
Single thread: 42.85 vs 50.0 mflops
Multi thread: 69.37 vs 95.66 mflops
As I understand it they both contain SOCs from the same family with identical clocks. How do you explain the difference? Is there something in the kernel causing the CPU to underperform? Maybe its not running at the highest clock rating when running the benchmark?

1st. Who cares.
2nd. The OS is different and Linpack may not have been updated yet for ICS. This phone seems plenty fast.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

I find these scores a waste of time. What really matters is how it responds to you in your daily use. That varies a lot from user to user and no scoring method will account for that...

Yes the phone is buttery smooth, I have no complaints in that department. However, this is a technical forum and it would be nice to figure out what exactly is going on here.

Guessing...
The software they used is not "aware" of the changes in ICS..;.

OneX vs GS3 GPU performance

Although Exynos has the better CPU, the GPUs are quite similar in performance (3D) according to these Antutu scores:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/AnTu...Exynos-shows-20-gain-vs-the-HTC-One-X_id29794
Leaked benches before the S3 launch indicate some advantage though
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...9364#1-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-with-ARM-Mali-400

I think there are enough HOX vs SG3 threads already in here..why create a new thread just to discuss one aspect of the phone >.>

Yawn.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

zerozoneice said:
Although Exynos has the better CPU, the GPUs are quite similar in performance (3D) according to these Antutu scores:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
SGS3 is 20% faster when the HOX is in battery save mode. So what?
Or haven't you seen the image closely? The HOX's battery is low. Also if the HOX has been used for a while, the temperature might have been up and the scores are lower. The highest I've had on mine is 11.4k, someone posted with 11.9k (that was on 1.28).
Edit: phonearena DOT com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-rocks-Quadrant-AnTuTu-and-NenaMark-2-benchmark-tests_id29795
Here the SGS3 has 11.4k. I can hardly say that this counts as "faster".

Yep,
Sgs3 scored 11.4k on AnTuTu, yet my HOX gets 12k
My HOX isn't even running 4.0.4 like the sgs3 is, so - read into this as you like.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

chrisjcks said:
Yep,
Sgs3 scored 11.4k on AnTuTu, yet my HOX gets 12k
My HOX isn't even running 4.0.4 like the sgs3 is, so - read into this as you like.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Plus, we're getting these scores using a Gingerbread kernel, so IF or WHEN htc release a true ICS kernel for the Tegra 3 one X, maybe our performance will increase, who knows.

TommUK said:
Plus, we're getting these scores using a Gingerbread kernel, so IF or WHEN htc release a true ICS kernel for the Tegra 3 one X, maybe our performance will increase, who knows.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep, my thoughts exactly.
As I've been a Galaxy S user through the 1st & 2nd models, over in the Samsung forums - they too, see AnTuTu as the best & most accurate bench software.
So, if our HOX is already matching (& in some cases beating) the SGS3, with a lower android OS version & operating on a gingerbread kernel, I really don't see the massive improvement that the exynos offers over our tegra 3 device.
.... At least not in this case.
- plus, at least we get an exclusive range of nvidia optimized games too.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

the point is that exynos has an overall advantage (slight, not overwhelming) over the T3 but while generating less heat and therefore eating less battery (which is already very large by comparison)
so if they'd run antutu in loop mode, the GS3 will keep running it long after OneX died
all in all, exynos the better CPU with comparable GPU, give them credit where credit is due.

zerozoneice said:
while generating less heat and therefore eating less battery (which is already very large by comparison)
so if they'd run antutu in loop mode, the GS3 will keep running it long after OneX died
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Pure speculation .... you don't know this.
Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk 2

zerozoneice said:
the point is that exynos has an overall advantage (slight, not overwhelming) over the T3 but while generating less heat and therefore eating less battery (which is already very large by comparison)
so if they'd run antutu in loop mode, the GS3 will keep running it long after OneX died
all in all, exynos the better CPU with comparable GPU, give them credit where credit is due.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As someone have said around the forum if you have nothing better to do than playing games long enough to drain your battery, surely you can find the time to put your phone on a charger
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

I got 11622 in antutu
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Seriously? Who cares about benchmarks.....They are too inconsistant!
Both great devices and fast as hell. Theres nothing more to say about it....

Back in the days regarding the PC gfx battle, there 3dfx, ATI and nVidia, and nVidia beated them all one by one. And I was the first who jumped to use Geforce 256. What make me comfortable even at present time about nVidia is, they really WILL push out revised drivers when necessary. Just be patient guys.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

First off all the GPU in GS3 is 50-70% faster than Tegra.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Second of all, the CPU is better, its made out of 32nm, plus offers features such as the 128bit which are featured in Cortex A15. Not to mention this isn't a final product
There's no such thing of Gingerbread kernel or ICS kernel, the kernel we are on is close to 3.0.x kernel, fyi the next number update should bring us to 3.0.x if I'm correct.

MrPhilo said:
First off all the GPU in GS3 is 50-70% faster than Tegra.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Second of all, the CPU is better, its made out of 32nm, plus offers features such as the 128bit which are featured in Cortex A15. Not to mention this isn't a final product
There's no such thing of Gingerbread kernel or ICS kernel, the kernel we are on is close to 3.0.x kernel, fyi the next number update should bring us to 3.0.x if I'm correct.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is so many factors and details in the soc that its hard to say which is better for instance the tegra 3 does use single channel memory but i believe it runs at a higher clock, also this is only an issue if there is a bottle neck here.
Just ran Antutu on my asia htc one x 128 stock and got 1198 without a restart or clearing ram, which i admit is highest i ever got but still, means nothing

MrPhilo said:
First off all the GPU in GS3 is 50-70% faster than Tegra.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Second of all, the CPU is better, its made out of 32nm, plus offers features such as the 128bit which are featured in Cortex A15. Not to mention this isn't a final product
There's no such thing of Gingerbread kernel or ICS kernel, the kernel we are on is close to 3.0.x kernel, fyi the next number update should bring us to 3.0.x if I'm correct.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Our kernel revision is 2.6.39.4 if you cared to look on your phone.

MrPhilo said:
First off all the GPU in GS3 is 50-70% faster than Tegra.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Second of all, the CPU is better, its made out of 32nm, plus offers features such as the 128bit which are featured in Cortex A15. Not to mention this isn't a final product
There's no such thing of Gingerbread kernel or ICS kernel, the kernel we are on is close to 3.0.x kernel, fyi the next number update should bring us to 3.0.x if I'm correct.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I fail to agree with anything you said, except the moddle paragraph.

As long as SGS3 GPU is not slower than average, it doesn't matter how fast it is.
You won't get special enhanced games for it, it's not nVidia.

According to rules for general, stickied in this forum (that noone reads), comparison threads between devices are not allowed.
thread closed....

Please post your 3DMark Scores and configurations

Greetings!
Just curious about what you guys are getting and what ROM/Kernel and speeds you are using.
My best score is:
Normal: 4257 Extreme:3060
This is running 1.8Ghz and 800Mhz CPU (Perseus kernel). Amnospherum Rom.
With saber kernel I only get
Normal: 3065
Extreme: 2351
Running 1.92Ghz and GPU stock speed since the ocing is broken for the GPU.
Regards
UPDATE: 06/06/2013
Running AOSP Rom and Devil Kernel...new best score 5330! This is it for me

I got
Normal: 3572=hw3d.force tweak.
Extreme: 2712
Added build.prop: hw3d.force=1
Running skynote rom at 1.6 ghz
Kernel_perseus
this message was brought to you by,NOTE2SKYNOTE2.

My Samsung Galaxy Note II scored 2400 in the Ice Storm Extreme benchmark test. http://bit.ly/3dmark-android
My Samsung Galaxy Note II scored 3155 in the Ice Storm benchmark test. http://bit.ly/3dmark-android
Rom is bone stock UCAMA4...4.1.2....un-rooted.
Not bad !!
Well above average scores according to the comparisons.
I'd better run this for a while. ...g

I also get similar scores as you all, but the biggest factor is our GPU we are running a older version of drivers witch is 2.0 GL the nexus for example is running a 3.0 open GL.
It's also running 4.2 while I'm still at 4.1 not sure if that has anything to do with but on that 3d mark it gives you a graph. Processors at 11125, Graphics at 2356. I've seen the nexus graph at we beat the processor hands down our GPU in the other hand is found lacking. Nexus processor 9522 GPU 10119.
Not even sure if updating the GL version will help or its in the hardware.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using xda app-developers app

Here is my very best and Quadrant of 8800 as well ...dont think I am getting much more of it without it burning down lol

Nice numbers
sent by my CARBON NOTE 2

shaolin95 said:
Here is my very best and Quadrant of 8800 as well ...dont think I am getting much more of it without it burning down lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Uh....yeh
Did it smoke at all when you ran that score ?...LOL....g

hahah not really...it does not even get that warm. Gosh I remember one day OCing my Captivate...that glass was about to explode..it was hard to touch it!

JDevil roms usually clock quads 8k+ stock with no kernel. Pictures all over his rom. Wish some of those guys would chime in. There was a few of like 8300 on 1st few pages and some of jeremyandroids other roms all around 9k and pictures. Just saying. You may would want to try his stuff if you enjoy high quads etc.

shaolin95 said:
hahah not really...it does not even get that warm. Gosh I remember one day OCing my Captivate...that glass was about to explode..it was hard to touch it!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The good old days of burning single and dual core chips. ..Lol
Fun stuff. ..g

Darn it, almost got the 5K mark to be happy

shaolin95 said:
Darn it, almost got the 5K mark to be happy
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow, that is a great score.
this message was brought to you by,NOTE2SKYNOTE2.

I thought I was done but I decided to post one last screenshot because with Avatar ROM and the Devil Kernl I am finally able to break the 5K barrier...heck even got 5200 on that last run!

The app is blatantly biased towards adreno gpus though... The Dev tried to say the adreno 220 is more powerful than ours, and that's why it typically gets a better score lol

crixley said:
The app is blatantly biased towards adreno gpus though... The Dev tried to say the adreno 220 is more powerful than ours, and that's why it typically gets a better score lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Saw that...lol
Funny people ...g

My best score so far, carbon ROM 1.6 ghz
Extreme ice storm

Thanks for sharing amigo!
I just did my best score an hour ago too

Nice!!

New best ice storm score carbon ROM 1.6ghz.

Liquidsmooth and Devil Kernel. [email protected] [email protected]
Care to share your specifics for devil? My physics suck.