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Galaxy nexus faster than galaxy s2 & sony xperia s?

I saw the review of the ics gs2 and at the end i saw some benchmarks... on the cpu side the nexus seems to hold its own againts the xperia s which on paper has a faster cpu snapdragon 3 1.5Ghz compare to omap 4460 1.2.. also gs2 seems to be slightly slower in the cpu benchmarks compared to Gnex.... What do you think?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_ics_vs_gingerbread-review-737p4.php
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ray3andrei said:
I saw the review of the ics gs2 and at the end i saw some benchmarks... on the cpu side the nexus seems to hold its own againts the xperia s which on paper has a faster cpu snapdragon 3 1.5Ghz compare to omap 4460 1.2.. also gs2 seems to be slightly slower in the cpu benchmarks compared to Gnex.... What do you think.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_ics_vs_gingerbread-review-737p4.php
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gs2 is surely faster on graphics (it has a more advanced gpu, though clocked slower), but it has less screen resolution.
on the cpu side they should be pretty equivalent.
i don't know about the xperia.

In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.

I wouldn't trust that much on benchmarks.
What matters is how polished the stock roms are for each device.
I love how the nexus keep running smooth even after installing a ton of apps, never experienced the same with other devices.

While the MSM8260 (Xperia S) is clocked faster, it has a single channel memory interface while the TI-OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus) has a dual channel interface.
Also beware of those benchmark tools. Most of them are crap. For example they use the phone's resolution to do 2D/3D benchmark which is not a fair way to compare.

biffsmash said:
In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
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Was it significantly faster in getting updates?

Benchmarks are cool in a sense, but I've started ignoring them. My GNex has been really fast, even with Window and Transition Animations. There are exceptions. I ABUSE my Android devices with heat (nature of my work environment). When it gets hot, it does lag. At the same time, the CPU is also scaling itself back. When I get the rare lock'n'reboot it's pretty much always due to heat. Typically, flinging through settings, menus, apps, etc is really fast. Right now I have wireless tethering on and I'm streaming audio through Tune In. My battery is almost 120F. It's slower. Any device would be. If I pick up my Nook running CM7, it'll be slower right now too due to heat.
Benchmarks mean very little to me now. I mean, what's the point? What are you gonna do, brag about a superficial number? Get it engraved on your belt buckle? I think they can be an indication of certain aspects of a device, but benchmarks do not necessarily tell someone what kind of user experience that device is going to provide.
If I pick up my favorite device and I can do what I want to do quickly and smoothly then I'm fine with it. Even OCing a high end device is something I've never been able to tell a difference with. Now my Nook, yeah, an overclock worked wonders. On the GNex, pish, nah. Remember too, a lot of these 1.5Ghz devices are pushing a bloated framework too. Beyond that, ICS is going to have it's own limitations, especially when it has bugs to get worked out.
It can kinda be like cramming 16GB's of Ram into a PC running 32 bit Windows 7. The hardware addition is irrelevant and while you can brag about 16 gigs of ram to all of your friends, it's a pointless feature of your system.

one thing for sure is that software optimization means much more than hardware differences between those 3 phones.
thus, it depends on what you're going to run: stock, aosp, cyanogen, miui? that's the question.

zapek666 said:
While the MSM8260 (Xperia S) is clocked faster, it has a single channel memory interface while the TI-OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus) has a dual channel interface.
Also beware of those benchmark tools. Most of them are crap. For example they use the phone's resolution to do 2D/3D benchmark which is not a fair way to compare.
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This. I think one of my favorite aspects of the nexus is its dual channel memory. So important for performance.

biffsmash said:
In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
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To me it seems exactly the opossite.. my gnex is faster than my gs2.... except in gaming.. the animations on the gs2 are different, than on the stock ics...
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My nexus is much faster at browsing than my wires gs2, and my work iphone4s..what? I didn't get to choose!
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I've used both the tmobile s2 and now the nexus....I'm a big time xda guy and root user so as the developers went to the nexus, I went to the nexus! Lol! If the s2 gets stock ics, it'll be just as good but that'll be a long time! We nexus users have had ics for months already!
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Simer03 said:
I've used both the tmobile s2 and now the nexus....I'm a big time xda guy and root user so as the developers went to the nexus, I went to the nexus! Lol! If the s2 gets stock ics, it'll be just as good but that'll be a long time! We nexus users have had ics for months already!
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We've had a pretty stable CM9 for the i9100 for quite a while now. But it still can't compare to the Galaxy Nexus....can't wait for mine to come

Just swapped over from the t989 gs2. The nexus is much smoother. We were always telling ourselves that our phones were better because of the supposedly better hardware... There were many threads Lol. Now that I have it I can see the experience doesn't even compare. Never buying anything touchwiz again

overclocking

Hello,
I know it's stupid but i would like to overclock my OneX, what kernel should I choose ?
Thank you.

gatinho75 said:
Hello,
I know it's stupid but i would like to overclock my OneX, what kernel should I choose ?
Thank you.
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only faux kernel betas allow OC
big warning OC is bad for the HOX given the thermal envelope
you are risking both you battery and processor if you OC
i know you are used to OC from other devices but those had headroom, it is not the case this time, T3 is operating at its max thermal capabilities on the HOX

You right, thank you.

gatinho75 said:
Hello,
I know it's stupid but i would like to overclock my OneX, what kernel should I choose ?
Thank you.
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It's not stupid and I'm dying to overclock my HOX also. Unfortunately Faux's kernels won't let me overclock on my phone, I'm going to name my first kid for whoever is the first to let us overclock this beast .

As already said it gets already hot enough, overclocking will kill it.
And I used to love overclocking on my Xperia Arc, overclocked it 60%
But I think the HOX isn't made for it
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Flo95 said:
As already said it gets already hot enough, overclocking will kill it.
And I used to love overclocking on my Xperia Arc, overclocked it 60%
But I think the HOX isn't made for it
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the snapdragon 2 on the Arc had a lot of headroom
the chipset is rated @ 1.5ghz stable!
not the case with T3 its milking the very maximum of the 40nm process
in other words Nvidia is OCing its T3 out of box because their chips are designed to survive massive amount of heat (sadly it doesnt mean the battery or other components would survive)
it is already Overclocked lol
sometimes you have to listen to the "science" of it and surrender

feel sorry for the kid

Why you need to overclock this beast. It is already an monster. Don't let it destroy.
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It's fast enough already, leave the poor thing alone!
It's already running a fever!

I would actually like to underclock mine to keep heat down
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I understand why people want to overclock. Why does someone tune a brand new sports car after all it is fast enough to reach the limit in no time.
What gets me is people posting "just leave it" "its fast enough". It's not your device and I'm sure they know its fast enough. Please those kinds of post really arnt needed.
As for the OC in faux's early (001bX) kernels overclocking was available although it was found there are 3 variants of the Tegra 3 SoC. And Asian variant, European and Australian variants. Each reacted differently to OC.
Taken from faux kerenel thread. Everything about OC'ing is from page 10~ to 45~ for anyone interested.
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WHOA! You have ANOTHER variant for Tegra3 Wow... how many variants are there... I will try to give you an OC build for your variant...
So far there are 3 Tegra3 variants:
Variant 1: European -- So far not OC capable (boot loops)
Variant 2: Australian -- Status unknown.. just reported...
Variant 3: Asian (Non-Australian) -- OC capable @ 1.70 GHz (very stable)
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If you're wondering id love to have the capability of overclocking doesn't mean ill be overclocked 24/7
EDIT: @Kris underclocking is available on every kernel something like setcpu or sys tuner will be all you need. Although if your looking to keep heat down there's a thread on XDA about an app called corecontrol (not the one on play store) that can limit the Tegra 3 to 2 cores. Another thing too look at for reducing heat is undervolting. Sys tuner is also capable of this. Currently I believe faux's kernel is the only kernel with true UV control

nikorette said:
I understand why people want to overclock. Why does someone tune a brand new sports car after all it is fast enough to reach the limit in no time.
Taken from faux kerenel thread. Everything about OC'ing is from page 10~ to 45~ for anyone interested.
If you're wondering id love to have the capability of overclocking doesn't mean ill be overclocked 24/7l
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I use Faux's kernels and even though I have the Asian one that supposedly can be overclocked to 1,700, mine maxes out at 1,500 just like all of the other ones. Still the Faux kernel upped my quadrant speed from 4,700 to 5,000 and seems quicker so I still use it daily. I'm still waiting for the first kernel that can be overclocked .

Only the early kernels had OC it was removed to avoid bootloops in the euro and aus tegra3's the 003bx kernels don't have oc ability
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Are benchmarks really important???

I am a big fan of benchmarks but are there are really important

Please say what Kenel are you using.

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It really depends what you find important and what's useless. Its just for the certain few enthusiasts who like tweaking their devices and testing out different values to achieve a higher benchmark score and brag about it. I'm one of them although for the Note 2 I see little or no difference in performance when comparing between an over clocked and a stock setting.
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Some people are disagree with overclock some not, benchmark are high only with overclock but if they are not important what are the reason?

I personally think that having a benchmark with a phones overclock settings turned on is the best way to see the true strength of a phone.
Some phones being overclocked do not even come close to other phones with out it being overclocked
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So overclock or no overclock?
What you prefer?

When it comes to mobile phones, be it a ultra top end smartphone, absolutely not.
Swyped from my GT-N7100

for me, benchmark is only for fun and push it to the best performance of Note 2.
but for daily i still overclocked, 1.8GHz
it was stable and response very well..

Good way to compare devices. Although I do not overclock for my daily usage.

They are not for everyday thing but they tell their stories. For example I am a GPU comparison addict. I believe the GPUs are the first aging parts of the chipsets and if the GPU is not enough no matter what CPU or phone it is, it will fade away quickly. So when I am choosing a product I take one of the Nexus devices as a reference. For my Note 2, my referance was Nexus 7. Sİnce it will be getting at least 1.5 year support (the worst scenerio) Note will run any game for that time period.
So GLbenchmark comes in. Then it lets us to compare Nexus 4 and Note 2. What we can learn from it is, for example, Mali 400 is better for higher resolutions since 1080p and 720p results are same. Mali 400s quad core processors are so powerfull that they can not be effected by MSAAx4 or higher resolutions where Adreno 320 tenst to slow down however it has a bottle neck on the pixel processor side and it gets stuck on the Egypt 2.5 test no matter how much we OC it. So newer games will be a problem for Note 2 we can say. For the more older-coded games which are still close to the Egypt 2.1 side Adreno barely has %5-7 advantage over the Mali 400 so no problem for a long time.

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Benchmark scores.

Why does the pixel xl benchmark so much lower then other devices even with the newer snapdragon 821. It's single core and muticore scores are quite a bit lower then say a device with the same ram and snapdragon 820.

I think google is playing it ultra-ultra safe on this phone and underclocking it.
If they start having serious issues like the Note7, on their very first Pixel phone, it would destroy the product line.
My theory anyways.
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dermotti said:
I think google is playing it ultra-ultra safe on this phone and underclocking it.
If they start having serious issues like the Note7, on their very first Pixel phone, it would destroy the product line.
My theory anyways.
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I was thinking the same thing hopefully they will update the kernel later down the line. Or once we can root and flash a different kernel and reclock it hopefully will see an improvement.

Kombat wombat said:
I was thinking the same thing hopefully they will update the kernel later down the line. Or once we can root and flash a different kernel and reclock it hopefully will see an improvement.
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You do know there's 2 kernels out already just need to flash with adb

jaythenut said:
You do know there's 2 kernels out already just need to flash with adb
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I've seen one but I didn't know there were two. I was going to wait until a recovery and root were available for it before I start flashing kernels.

There's 2 different versions of the SD821. There's a performance version which is what you'll see in the new Xiaomi phones, Asus Zen Deluxe phones, and the Leco. They have 2 cores clocked at 2.4ghz and 2 cores clocked at 2.2ghz. There is then the efficiency version, which powers the Pixel phones. Their clusters are clocked exactly at the same speed as the SD820.
According to Qualcomm, on version gives you 5-10% more performance and the other gives you 5-10% efficiency. Google has chosen the efficiency version. However after seeing a few Pixel battery tests, it lasts one hour more than the Nexus 6P which is great, but it's still not in the league of phones like the Samsung S7, S7E, and the dearly departed Note 7. Those 3 phones had the regular SD820 and last much longer than the Pixels.

TransportedMan said:
There's 2 different versions of the SD821. There's a performance version which is what you'll see in the new Xiaomi phones, Asus Zen Deluxe phones, and the Leco. They have 2 cores clocked at 2.4ghz and 2 cores clocked at 2.2ghz. There is then the efficiency version, which powers the Pixel phones. Their clusters are clocked exactly at the same speed as the SD820.
According to Qualcomm, on version gives you 5-10% more performance and the other gives you 5-10% efficiency. Google has chosen the efficiency version. However after seeing a few Pixel battery tests, it lasts one hour more than the Nexus 6P which is great, but it's still not in the league of phones like the Samsung S7, S7E, and the dearly departed Note 7. Those 3 phones had the regular SD820 and last much longer than the Pixels.
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Did you see my battery results? I got 5hr sot using Waze and streaming Alex Jones app the whole time. I did this test driving from Chicago to St Louis. Not only that my reception was garbage and I got those results.
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TransportedMan said:
There's 2 different versions of the SD821. There's a performance version which is what you'll see in the new Xiaomi phones, Asus Zen Deluxe phones, and the Leco. They have 2 cores clocked at 2.4ghz and 2 cores clocked at 2.2ghz. There is then the efficiency version, which powers the Pixel phones. Their clusters are clocked exactly at the same speed as the SD820.
According to Qualcomm, on version gives you 5-10% more performance and the other gives you 5-10% efficiency. Google has chosen the efficiency version. However after seeing a few Pixel battery tests, it lasts one hour more than the Nexus 6P which is great, but it's still not in the league of phones like the Samsung S7, S7E, and the dearly departed Note 7. Those 3 phones had the regular SD820 and last much longer than the Pixels.
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I thought it was the same processor just clocked at different speeds out the box, I could be wrong though.

Kombat wombat said:
I thought it was the same processor just clocked at different speeds out the box, I could be wrong though.
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Many people did and thought Google was just underclocking the chip but it was revealed there's two versions of the chip, Google has the efficiency version. In fact, XDA wrote an article about it about a week ago go check.

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TransportedMan said:
Many people did and thought Google was just underclocking the chip but it was revealed there's two versions of the chip, Google has the efficiency version. In fact, XDA wrote an article about it about a week ago go check.
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So basically we are stuck with a under clocked version that really sucks.

TransportedMan said:
Many people did and thought Google was just underclocking the chip but it was revealed there's two versions of the chip, Google has the efficiency version. In fact, XDA wrote an article about it about a week ago go check.
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I can't seem to find the XDA article can you link it please.

Kombat wombat said:
I can't seem to find the XDA article can you link it please.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/

TransportedMan said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
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Many thanks.

Kombat wombat said:
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So basically we are stuck with a under clocked version that really sucks.
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It is not underclocked. It is just more energy efficient at the same clock as the 820. If it bothers you, just wait a little bit and I promise you that you will be able to OC it with a custom kernel. Then you can enjoy faster battery drain with absolutely no perceivable difference in performance.

Irrelevant number. This is the smoothest Android phone I've ever owned. That number can't tell you what the experience is like. Other phones have a higher score but run like crap. The phone was created to be an all-round performer. Not blow up in your hand like the Samsung M80.
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X10D3 said:
Irrelevant number. This is the smoothest Android phone I've ever owned. That number can't tell you what the experience is like. Other phones have a higher score but run like crap. The phone was created to be an all-round performer. Not blow up in your hand like the Samsung M80.
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You know what your right, I can't fault the smoothness of the pixel, and true to form it is laggless and buttery smooth. I think I got carried away for a bit with benchmark scores and Numbers.

oRAirwolf said:
Then you can enjoy faster battery drain with absolutely no perceivable difference in performance.
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lol. +1 for this point. I think people get too caught up in drag racing their phones with benchmarks. If it runs smooth I don't care what clock speed it is or what benchmark number is outputs.

Overclocking and Benchmark Scores

Haven't posted on XDA in forever. I originally made an account on here because I'm a benchmark nerd and wanted to know what the highest Antutu score on a Note 2 was (It was my first real smartphone). I was just wondering if anyone has overclocked a Note 10 Plus and what their benchmarks are compared to a stock Note. I remember the stock score I got on the Note 2 was about 11,000 and after overclocking was about 19,000 so I'm just wondering if someone has done it if there is about the same percentage of increase in scores. (Highly doubt it's almost double ?)

I would Def interested in this as well. I love benchmarks and am curious how one over clocks a phone if the bootloader is locked? ****ing pay a $1000 for a phone and can't do what I want with it.. My last note was a 3, then got iPhone for a bit. (not sure what I was thinking) I'm back for good now.
What tools does one need for this?
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You'd need a custom kernel in order to overclock. Currently there are no custom kernels available for the N10+, but you are welcome to create one yourself, as the kernel sources for our phone are available.
However, I think that the Snapdragon variant will take a while to get a custom kernel, given that the bootloader is locked in the american version. Expect custom kernels for the Exynos variant first.
But I don't think we have much headroom for overclocking on these chips.
We currently don't have much information on the Exynos 9825 in the N10+, so my information is purely based on the Exynos 9820, which is the same CPU but in a slightly larger phabrication (8nm vs 7nm). The 9825 should use a little less power than the 9820.
The 9820 at stock clocks pulls around 3 watts for CPU intensive loads (https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14072/SPEC2006eff-overview_575px.png) and around 5 watts for GPU loads (https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/10).
Given that the phone is a passive design, we can't expect the phone to cool 5 watts peak performance. which is what we see. The 9825 appears to throttle under certain sustained loads (https://www.computerbase.de/2019-09/samsung-galaxy-note-10-exynos-9825-dauerlast/).
And given how overclocking works, you'd realistically just get a few couple hundred MHz on the Mongoose cores or the A75 cores, before things become unstable or overheat.
The 9820 was already pretty agressive on the voltage curve (https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14072/Exynos9820-Voltages_575px.png), I don't think the Exynos can push that much higher than stock.
But only time can tell when we can test it ourselves with a custom kernel.

If you succeed w/ overclocking, you may wanna compare your scores with the standard Antutu bench I did on both S10e(8/256GB) and N10+(12/256):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wvHYJhfIKw&feature=youtu.be

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sorry to bother you with something this old, but do you have before and after scores and are you on exynos android 10 or 9?
the scores seems quite higher than stock but we have no reference since you may be running a custom rom.
if you can add some details I would appreciate it alot,thanks for your time.

Aaron_Woolery said:
Haven't posted on XDA in forever. I originally made an account on here because I'm a benchmark nerd and wanted to know what the highest Antutu score on a Note 2 was (It was my first real smartphone). I was just wondering if anyone has overclocked a Note 10 Plus and what their benchmarks are compared to a stock Note. I remember the stock score I got on the Note 2 was about 11,000 and after overclocking was about 19,000 so I'm just wondering if someone has done it if there is about the same percentage of increase in scores. (Highly doubt it's almost double ?)
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Theres the bullfrog kernel with tons of optimizations and scores range from 460k-480k.
Kernel though is on telegram and not xda.

Ahmadhmedan said:
sorry to bother you with something this old, but do you have before and after scores and are you on exynos android 10 or 9?
the scores seems quite higher than stock but we have no reference since you may be running a custom rom.
if you can add some details I would appreciate it alot,thanks for your time.[/QUOTEI don t remember but it was on Pie with ketan s Rom and Nemesis kernel I think.
I don t have screenshot of before.
Fde.ai is a really good optimiser.
Now I m on Q but pie was great.
Sorry if I can t help you anymore.
Ciao
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Aaron_Woolery said:
Haven't posted on XDA in forever. I originally made an account on here because I'm a benchmark nerd and wanted to know what the highest Antutu score on a Note 2 was (It was my first real smartphone). I was just wondering if anyone has overclocked a Note 10 Plus and what their benchmarks are compared to a stock Note. I remember the stock score I got on the Note 2 was about 11,000 and after overclocking was about 19,000 so I'm just wondering if someone has done it if there is about the same percentage of increase in scores. (Highly doubt it's almost double ?)
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Bfg kernel has been, not overclocking, but somewhat stretching the device. Yesterday they peaked 500k in antutu. Normal antutu on bfg kernel is >480k vs stock at 440k.