You know I know MS has done some DUMB things over the years but I think this has got to be the dumbest!
I don't put my credit card onlline esp for games and other trivalties. What I do is buy points I did it for my PS3, and I decided to do it for the MS store. Well low and behold the games can be bought, the music/video can be bought with points but NOT the apps!!
This is the dumbest thing. I don't want games on my phone, or music and videos with DRM lock on them. What I wasnt is a sirius Satalie radio app that apperently I can't buy without putting my credit card into the system.
So now because of MS's reasoning people who go to all that effort of building these apps and deserve to be paid for them can't be, and because I like so many others refuse to use our credit cards on the net and for a 1 dollar item the developers loose out. And not that i care i'm out 40 bucks (2800 points) I care that thats money MS gets and I will never spend, so they win!
Or you could do as I do, and when you want to buy an app, you complete the transaction on your phone, and have it charged to your phone bill. No hassle, no fuss, no credit card involved.
Unfortunately i doubt my system works that way, though it would be nice.
yea mine doesnt work either
RoboDad said:
Or you could do as I do, and when you want to buy an app, you complete the transaction on your phone, and have it charged to your phone bill. No hassle, no fuss, no credit card involved.
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are the price in USD or local currency(own country currency)
I am in the US, and all of the purchases I have made have been in USD. I don't know how it might work (or not work, as it seems) in other countries.
When I buy from MP I just pay using my Credit Card detail I have it stored with Live ID.. when I dont want them to charge my card I just buy it from my phone instead and my Atnt Bill gets credited at the end of the month for all purchases from my phone together...
I like phone billing better because its all together at month end.. I get time.. where as from card I keep seeing every 8-9 USD two three times.. so sometimes I could run into risk of overdrawing and stuff..
But than if I buy from phone.. I would have to re-install it again in case if I ever have hard reset my phone, (I have never done hard reset on my phone yet!! )... so I use MP to buy and install and dont have any problems..
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But than if I buy from phone.. I would have to re-install it again in case if I ever have hard reset my phone, (I have never done hard reset on my phone yet!! )... so I use MP to buy and install and dont have any problems..
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Actually, even if you buy an app through Zune, you may still have to reinstall it from your phone after a hard reset (or replacement).
I recently added more memory to my Focus, which required a hard reset. After completing the reset, I connected to my PC so Zune could reinstall all of my apps, but only about a third of them auto-reinstalled. I don't know if the limit is time-based or number-based, but from what I could see, only the apps that I had purchased/installed within the last 6 weeks were present. The rest all had to be manually reinstalled, which was not fun at all.
This for me is probably the most frustrating part of the WP7 marketplace. We have no tool, either in Zune OR on the phone (it should be on BOTH) to allow use to see a complete history of what we have downloaded/purchased, with options to permanently remove things from the list that we downloaded to check out, but found to be worthless, and another option, for times such as following a hard reset, to select multiple apps to reinstall (or optionally "all"). Instead, I have to keep it all in a spreadsheet on my PC and manually install almost every single app. Lame.
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Actually, even if you buy an app through Zune, you may still have to reinstall it from your phone after a hard reset (or replacement).
I recently added more memory to my Focus, which required a hard reset. After completing the reset, I connected to my PC so Zune could reinstall all of my apps, but only about a third of them auto-reinstalled. I don't know if the limit is time-based or number-based, but from what I could see, only the apps that I had purchased/installed within the last 6 weeks were present. The rest all had to be manually reinstalled, which was not fun at all.
This for me is probably the most frustrating part of the WP7 marketplace. We have no tool, either in Zune OR on the phone (it should be on BOTH) to allow use to see a complete history of what we have downloaded/purchased, with options to permanently remove things from the list that we downloaded to check out, but found to be worthless, and another option, for times such as following a hard reset, to select multiple apps to reinstall (or optionally "all"). Instead, I have to keep it all in a spreadsheet on my PC and manually install almost every single app. Lame.
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I just save my ATnT bill which lists all my purchase for that month and I also get regular Emails in my LiveID for all the purchases I make at MarketPlace using my Card, so I dont have to maintain a spreadsheet right now..
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We have no tool, either in Zune OR on the phone (it should be on BOTH) to allow use to see a complete history of what we have downloaded/purchased,
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Do through your zune settings on your computer, there is a spot to show you what you bought. thought not sure about that if you buy it on your phone.
slight22 said:
Do through your zune settings on your computer, there is a spot to show you what you bought. thought not sure about that if you buy it on your phone.
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I'm not sure if that even shows a complete history of Zune-purchased apps. And, even for the apps it does list, it doesn't provide any tools to reinstall. In fact, Zune doesn't allow any manual reinstall, period. It HAS TO be done on the phone.
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I hadn't tried to use that tool in a while, because the last time I did use it, it didn't list everything. It looks like it does now list everything (even apps purchased on the phone), but still lacks the ability to reinstall apps from there. And there is still the glaring lack of a similar tool on the phone itself.
Actually it's weird but believe me apps keep reinstalling for a few days on Zune after a hard reset. It doesn't make any sense but I experienced it with my phone.
That said, a way to backup would be ideal, specially when it comes to game saves.
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Actually, even if you buy an app through Zune, you may still have to reinstall it from your phone after a hard reset (or replacement).
I recently added more memory to my Focus, which required a hard reset. After completing the reset, I connected to my PC so Zune could reinstall all of my apps, but only about a third of them auto-reinstalled. I don't know if the limit is time-based or number-based, but from what I could see, only the apps that I had purchased/installed within the last 6 weeks were present. The rest all had to be manually reinstalled, which was not fun at all.
This for me is probably the most frustrating part of the WP7 marketplace. We have no tool, either in Zune OR on the phone (it should be on BOTH) to allow use to see a complete history of what we have downloaded/purchased, with options to permanently remove things from the list that we downloaded to check out, but found to be worthless, and another option, for times such as following a hard reset, to select multiple apps to reinstall (or optionally "all"). Instead, I have to keep it all in a spreadsheet on my PC and manually install almost every single app. Lame.
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also its cheaper to just buy it via ATT, saves me a few cents of sales tax.
Just setup a credit card specifically for online purchases. You are protected. Just make sure you check your statement each month to make sure there were no fraudulent charges.
cbebop7 said:
also its cheaper to just buy it via ATT, saves me a few cents of sales tax.
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Is it?? I didnt knew that..
I dont know why people have to maintain a list when they get all the info in their billing.. users can just save their emails/atnt bills..
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Actually it's weird but believe me apps keep reinstalling for a few days on Zune after a hard reset. It doesn't make any sense but I experienced it with my phone.
That said, a way to backup would be ideal, specially when it comes to game saves.
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the Zune created backups save apps and game saves. The backup is surprisingly thorough. There is a program on XDA here now that will trick Zune into creating a backup at any time.
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That's true, but there is no selective restore feature. It's either all or nothing. Plus, if you have a Focus, and add more memory, the backup will not be recognized as valid for your phone any more.
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the Zune created backups save apps and game saves. The backup is surprisingly thorough. There is a program on XDA here now that will trick Zune into creating a backup at any time.
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Really? Are you saying I can restore my game saves? How do I do that?
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Really? Are you saying I can restore my game saves? How do I do that?
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You can't backup specific data with that tool. What it does - basically spoken - is force Zune into the update mode, so it runs a backup of your device. After the backup is finished, the update process is aborted. When you now want to restore the backup, you just do a simple rollback from within Zune.
I need to try this, cheers. Xbox Live is getting cloud saving, would be great if WP7 games were included in that.
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I can see a lot of techie people getting very upset about what's been revealed about WP7S, and I'm starting to think that although I too was initially a bit ruffled, much of it really doesn't matter.
1. No SSD support
I always buy the biggest SSD I can, shove it into my new phone, and promptly forget about it. I can't recall the last time I upgraded to a bigger SSD without upgrading my phone at the same time, such is the rate of progress. Indeed, the iPhone, with its internal memory, always seems to be one step ahead of SSD-capable phones. My HD2 has a 16GB SSD, the iPhone has 32GB of memory. 32GB SSDs aren't even available. I never, ever take the SSD out of the phone once it's in there. So for me, removable memory just isn't an issue.
2. Multitasking
I thought I needed this, but looking at the apps I use on my HD2, I can only see one that really genuinely need multitasking, and that's Palringo. As far as I can tell, chat is going to be integrated into the Panels thingy so I probably won't even need to install Palringo anyway. Pausing apps when I switch away from them will be just fine with me.
3. Marketplace
I've never developed my own apps, nor do I intend to, nor do I operate in a corporate environment. Downloading apps from a central marketplace will be 100 times easier than having to trawl through Handango etc for some frankly pretty ****e apps to try to find decent ones. At least the apps in the store will have gone through a vetting process. I just hope Microsoft aren't as draconian as Apple in what they reject. Also, when downloading an app I won't have to choose between speed (install to memory) and space (install to SSD). I will get BOTH without having to decide at all. Sounds good to me!
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
There you go, flame away - I for one will be much happier with a WP7S phone than I have been with WM6.5.
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4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
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You are very wrong here.
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You are very wrong here.
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Let me rephrase then - I don't believe any of the apps I use do it.
Cash Organizer
Pocket Informant
GCzII
KeePass
Palringo
TomTom 7
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3. Marketplace
I've never developed my own apps, nor do I intend to, nor do I operate in a corporate environment. Downloading apps from a central marketplace will be 100 times easier than having to trawl through Handango etc for some frankly pretty ****e apps to try to find decent ones. At least the apps in the store will have gone through a vetting process. I just hope Microsoft aren't as draconian as Apple in what they reject. Also, when downloading an app I won't have to choose between speed (install to memory) and space (install to SSD). I will get BOTH without having to decide at all. Sounds good to me!
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
There you go, flame away - I for one will be much happier with a WP7S phone than I have been with WM6.5.
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I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
hyellow said:
I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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there is no external storage so without a pc u wont be able to put your info back on without a wifi or data connection which would work like myphone does now. not sure how u would put your apps back on without re downloading all of them from marketplace.
saying this im guess the phone is less likely to go wrong and will be very similar to how a iphone works.
hyellow said:
I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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From my own perspective, I never keep copies of the cab files for my apps on my phone anyway, so that wouldn't help me. Nore have I ever had to do a hard reset on my HD2 (except once for the dreaded lock password issue, now I don't use a lock password). Plus, as there IS NO SSD to store them on, it's kind of a moot point.
I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
Plus, should your phone become bricked, good luck trying to access to all your content.
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I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
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Microsoft have already said they will allow all competitors' apps, and I hope that will always remain true. Regarding USB file transfer, have Microsoft specifically said it won't be supported? (I'm not sure)
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Microsoft have already said they will allow all competitors' apps, and I hope that will always remain true. Regarding USB file transfer, have Microsoft specifically said it won't be supported? (I'm not sure)
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ms has said u cant use wm7 as a usb drive, they also said that bing must be used for search, not sure if it must be used for maps too.
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I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
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I think you still access photos, music etc. with the new media sync application (forgot the name). Indeed it seems to be a major feature of WP7!
But I also use my phone as USB stick, using it for non-media stuff, which I assume won't be possible anymore.
I experienced once incident during holiday to Spain, this is real story.
I was using TomTom and HTC Kaiser. All of sudden, the TomTom application stuck, I could not interact with it ... except hitting the soft-reset hole.
After soft reset, all content in my sd card gone, including the TomTom map.
I really hate that situation because I rely only on my TomTom
Lessen learned, I always keep second SD card on my bag during holiday which contain exactly the same.
So there you go, I think SD card is required.
The thing is, I am willing to sacrifice without SD Card. Probably the above incident was caused by "bad" sd card. With internal storage, probably it will be much more reliable. Ok that's fine.
But ........................
I want a way to EASILY store my files (big files) on the phone. Files like software utility etc. That's handy.
With no file manager ... and no sd card slot, I cannot picture this possible easily.
Probably I could use Zune software (ala iTunes)???
But that will defeat the purpose of having those files available all the time. Because other PC might not have Zune software!
Hmm, using email to transfer file? Yeah right, 3G is still slow compared to direct copy from sd card ! And imagine when roaming to pay data connection.
This is what I really dont like about WP7 ...
I can live without multitasking and side loading, no problem with that.
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From my own perspective, I never keep copies of the cab files for my apps on my phone anyway, so that wouldn't help me. Nore have I ever had to do a hard reset on my HD2 (except once for the dreaded lock password issue, now I don't use a lock password). Plus, as there IS NO SSD to store them on, it's kind of a moot point.
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I remember yesterday, when someone asked Joe Belfiore ... "Will there be Mac support?"
His answer was something like "You dont need PC to be able to use Windows Phone 7 Series" ... "Try to not use PC" ...
Hmm, it'll be a shame to lose the USB drive functionality, but I only really ever used that to load cab files onto my phone (which will be moot as marketplace will be the way to get apps) from my work PC, but I can live without doing that, especially as I shouldn't have been doing that anyway (ahem).
An advantage of using the Zune software to put files onto the phone will be the inbuilt compression and media format conversion though, which will be nice.
I should add that I carry a 32GB memorystick around with me (it's on my house keyfob) and use that for pretty much all my file transfer needs. My phone is so stuffed with mp3s that it has virtually no free space on its SSD, hence it's pretty useless for file transfer anyway!
Yes Jim, I think I must think the same approach.
At this moment, I also carrying 4GB super small micro sd card on my pocket.
I think I need to find one as a key-chain.
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Hmm, it'll be a shame to lose the USB drive functionality, but I only really ever used that to load cab files onto my phone (which will be moot as marketplace will be the way to get apps) from my work PC, but I can live without doing that, especially as I shouldn't have been doing that anyway (ahem).
An advantage of using the Zune software to put files onto the phone will be the inbuilt compression and media format conversion though, which will be nice.
I should add that I carry a 32GB memorystick around with me (it's on my house keyfob) and use that for pretty much all my file transfer needs. My phone is so stuffed with mp3s that it has virtually no free space on its SSD, hence it's pretty useless for file transfer anyway!
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Satnav application vendors often distribute their maps by selling you an SD card with the maps pre-installed on it. How's that going to work without an SD card slot? Are people going to download several gigabytes worth of maps over the data connection?
The way it works for iPhone is pretty straightforward - downloads over 10MB go via iTunes (you can choose to download everything this way, BTW).
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I really don't understand this no SD card thing. If I interpreted the post where I read that information correctly. It's not even that there are no SD cards allowed, it's that they don't want removable SD cards.
I think they said the vendor could have an unremovable SD card if they chose (behind the battery). I'm hoping I mis-interpreted this, I see little reason or sense in having SD card support but making them non-removable. That would just further upset me about that .
But I guess isn't not that big a deal since there's no file management on the device which is an even bigger problem. It's almost like they're trying to alienate their business clients.
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saying this im guess the phone is less likely to go wrong and will be very similar to how a iphone works.
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You think iphones don't go wrong?
Anyhow as far as I can work out most of the new stuff in WP7S compared to WM is lame and actually relates to loss of functionality, with only the potential for easier development being offered in return. If useful apps materialise then maybe the damage won't be that bad but they are sacrificing everything for potential gain.
The fact is though that windows mobile grew on PDAs, and I think most people who want a WM phone want a PDA with a phone attached to it, with the feel of a "PC" in your "pocket". WP7S seems targeted at a completely different consumer who just wants a phone with a flashy touchscreen display. The thing is iphone does that perfectly well already. I don't see anything I want in WP7S, and there's nothing that has been described that I can't get elsewhere in an ordinary (modern) phone. It had better be a better product because I doubt there would be any customer loyalty between 6.5 and 7.
gom99 said:
I really don't understand this no SD card thing.
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But I guess isn't not that big a deal since there's no file management on the device which is an even bigger problem.
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Well you obviously understand the no SD card thing - there's nothing you could do with the card in WP7S with no file system access.
Is there a way to get my paid apps back after a reset without paying for the apps again?
provided you're logged into the same account you performed the purchase on, merely just go and download the app again. it won't cost you anything to download it after you've paid for it.
hint: use zune to load the application onto your phone, this way if you reset your phone, then connect it back to zune, it will reinstall all your apps automatically for you.
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provided you're logged into the same account you performed the purchase on, merely just go and download the app again. it won't cost you anything to download it after you've paid for it.
hint: use zune to load the application onto your phone, this way if you reset your phone, then connect it back to zune, it will reinstall all your apps automatically for you.
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Are the zune servers down? I cant even sign in...it says it cant access the server.
I bought my focus last monday, switched to my moto razr today so i called att and they changed the IMEI on my acct to the one for the razr. Decided to not sell my Focus so I called att and changed they changed the IMEI back. Had to give them IMEI so because of data plan changes for smartphone and non smartphone. Anyways, after doing that I cant download anything from marketplace or stream music from zune marketplace.
So am I royally effed or is there somethign I can do?
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hint: use zune to load the application onto your phone, this way if you reset your phone, then connect it back to zune, it will reinstall all your apps automatically for you.
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How do you get apps from the Marketplace using Zune?
gmfeld said:
How do you get apps from the Marketplace using Zune?
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Connect your WP7 phone to your computer.. then you can download the apps using the computer and they install directly on the phone.
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Are the zune servers down? I cant even sign in...it says it cant access the server.
I bought my focus last monday, switched to my moto razr today so i called att and they changed the IMEI on my acct to the one for the razr. Decided to not sell my Focus so I called att and changed they changed the IMEI back. Had to give them IMEI so because of data plan changes for smartphone and non smartphone. Anyways, after doing that I cant download anything from marketplace or stream music from zune marketplace.
So am I royally effed or is there somethign I can do?
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can you browse the net with your phone? as in it is just zune that isn't working? if it's just zune on the phone, try zune on the desktop. if they're both down, then it's presumably the zune service which is down or something. give it a bit of time, sleep on it, and then see if it works?
Zune was down earlier on the desktop. Windows Live (as a whole) had some authentication issues. Hotmail was down earlier in the day for me.
I made the mistake of not installing all my apps through the desktop software. What's most maddening is that after a hard reset, you CAN'T re-install the apps with the Zune software. You can only do it through the phone. Completely idiotic.
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I had problems with marketplace and email,...I hard reset the phone, hooked it back up to the computer, and the zune software automatically reinstalled most of the software that was on the phone, without my knowing it.
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Zune was down earlier on the desktop. Windows Live (as a whole) had some authentication issues. Hotmail was down earlier in the day for me.
I made the mistake of not installing all my apps through the desktop software. What's most maddening is that after a hard reset, you CAN'T re-install the apps with the Zune software. You can only do it through the phone. Completely idiotic.
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Well indeed...... And it would be nice to be able to do it ON THE PHONE only.
And now you can't even install those apps again without internet connection...
Hi,
I guess you just need to reinstall these apps from the market place. Here is the guide that i came across...hxxp://aliwaqas.info/how-to-reinstall-paid-apps-without-paying-on-windows-phone-7-devices
Microsoft says about updating:
"Before you start
1 Install the Zune software on your PC or Windows Phone 7 Connector on your Mac. You'll need these programs to download the update to your phone."
Why on earth do you need to install software on your PC to update your phone? The update goes from Microsoft and has to reach the phone; why are they using the PC as an intermediary?
What does the phone need a PC at all? It's its own operating system, has its own data and applications.
Is this something that is going to be fixed when WP7/8 is business-ready? Businesses are hardly going to roll out Zune software across corporate PCs.
I have a suspicion this is connected to the failure. Windows has countless updates and close to none of them are failures. WP7 has had one minor update and it was a failure. They are introducing extra complexity, incorrectness, and unreliability into the system with Zune.
mcfly ? hellllo mcfly ?
I wonder if microsoft is paying attention ?
CSMR said:
Microsoft says about updating:
"Before you start
1 Install the Zune software on your PC or Windows Phone 7 Connector on your Mac. You'll need these programs to download the update to your phone."
Why on earth do you need to install software on your PC to update your phone? The update goes from Microsoft and has to reach the phone; why are they using the PC as an intermediary?
What does the phone need a PC at all? It's its own operating system, has its own data and applications.
Is this something that is going to be fixed when WP7/8 is business-ready? Businesses are hardly going to roll out Zune software across corporate PCs.
I have a suspicion this is connected to the failure. Windows has countless updates and close to none of them are failures. WP7 has had one minor update and it was a failure. They are introducing extra complexity, incorrectness, and unreliability into the system with Zune.
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I've used SE phones for years and in order to update firmware you always had to connect to PC and use OEM software to update the device. It isn't extraordinary.
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Do you even own a wp7?
Well, let's just say if you were to extract the update on the phone, then there would probably not be enough space for it. Also, the connection with Zune allows a backup of the phone to be taken, so if your update fails, or you want to restore to a previous backup, you are able to do so. Stop complaining.
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Do you even own a wp7?
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no. I don't own an iPhone, symbian, landline phone, xbox, or windows pc, boat, pig, or elephant either. the short time I've spent with demo (I have friends that sell) units proved I can't use wp7 on a daily basis for simple tasks -yet-.
if the update is less than 20mb it will be OTA, but if it's bigger and requires changing the lower layers of the OS, then you are required to connect it to your PC.
connecting it to your PC and using Zune software also provides the ability for a backup/restore capability. though as we have seen, it's still being ironed out...
Look, I am so incredibly happy that Zune was required for this phone, as I had no idea of how awesome it was, honestly. I always pushed it to the side for WMP and now I regret it, as the Zune Pass is the greatest thing I've ever spent money on. Dealing with the update, it allows for stability. I, personally, would never want my phone updating over the air when it comes to an entire OS update. Too many factors, too many things can go wrong, I prefer to let my PC handle the process. It's worked for Apple, while it's gone wrong for Google not to use software...
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no. I don't own an iPhone, symbian, landline phone, xbox, or windows pc, boat, pig, or elephant either. the short time I've spent with demo (I have friends that sell) units proved I can't use wp7 on a daily basis for simple tasks -yet-.
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This seems rather strange - I swapped from an HD2 to the amazing HD7 and apart from missing a few games and apps I CAN use it for everyday tasks with no problems at all. It syncs with my work Exchange server faultlessly, and allows me to view office files without the need for extras. Indeed my IT manager has been so impressed with its smooth integration into our mainly 'Blackberry & iPhone' infrastructure that he has got himself a WP7 device as well now!
Yes there are a few bits missing but I can hardly believe it is unusable in your environment. Most descent coming to the WP7 forums comes from people who either do not even have a device or from those who listen to wining from users who expected far too much from a new OS. All this complaining about updates is laughable as iOS took ages to get an update and so did Android.. yet MS takes less than 6 months to be ready with an update and people moan! LOL.
I thought the PC/Zune requirement was already explained somewhere...
-Zune is used to both download and apply the update to your phone. This eliminates the need to download large (or small) updates through your device's data plan and therefore removes that obstacle in the case of limited data plans.
-Zune also takes care of the backing up (and restoring) of the phone in case of issues.
I'm not too sure what's so complicated about plugging your phone into a computer that should already have the Zune software installed (since it is your only method of syncing content to your phone). If anything, the fact that Zune creates backups makes its a far more reliable method then crossing your fingers and hoping your phone can do it all for you. Imagine if all the phones that failed to update were not initially backed up or didn't have Zune to restore the phone? There would be a great deal more angry consumers. Not to mention, you'd have to download something extra anyway that would do the backing up/restoring for you.
Yes, it is a couple extra steps initially, but it seems like a small price to pay when you think about how you would have to solve your own issues if Zune and backups did not exist.
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if the update is less than 20mb it will be OTA, but if it's bigger and requires changing the lower layers of the OS, then you are required to connect it to your PC.
connecting it to your PC and using Zune software also provides the ability for a backup/restore capability. though as we have seen, it's still being ironed out...
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Sorry, but any phone updates must be done through the PC because the phone needs to be backed up before the update can take place. The size doesn't matter. The 20 MB rule ONLY applies to games/apps on the Marketplace.
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I thought the PC/Zune requirement was already explained somewhere...
-Zune is used to both download and apply the update to your phone. This eliminates the need to download large (or small) updates through your device's data plan and therefore removes that obstacle in the case of limited data plans.
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There is no such need since the phone should be able to access internet via wifi or via a usb connection to the PC. If there is no such connection you can't use Zune, so Zune is a strict disadvantage here, not an advantage.
-Zune also takes care of the backing up (and restoring) of the phone in case of issues.
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Then this can be an option. Backup is separate to restore as processes, even if they are run at the same time.
I'm not too sure what's so complicated about plugging your phone into a computer that should already have the Zune software installed (since it is your only method of syncing content to your phone)
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This is a terrible aspect of WP7. The question is, when Microsoft adds some of the basic missing features, will updates come over the air and Zune be just an option for consumers.
If anything, the fact that Zune creates backups makes its a far more reliable method then crossing your fingers and hoping your phone can do it all for you.
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Backup software is fine. I have no objection to making backups. There are multiple ways to backup. Backup is not as important with phones as other devices though as it is not a primary location for data storage, or shouldn't be. However yes, you want your particular choice of content for your phone to be backed up, reselecting it from some other source may be inconvenient.
I'm not going to buy a WP7 phone because I'll have to install the Zune software to install OS updates.
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no. I don't own an iPhone, symbian, landline phone, xbox, or windows pc, boat, pig, or elephant either. the short time I've spent with demo (I have friends that sell) units proved I can't use wp7 on a daily basis for simple tasks -yet-.
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good for you, but no one asked u for your opinion on this thread.... so stick to your own OS threads...
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There is no such need since the phone should be able to access internet via wifi or via a usb connection to the PC. If there is no such connection you can't use Zune, so Zune is a strict disadvantage here, not an advantage.
Then this can be an option. Backup is separate to restore as processes, even if they are run at the same time.
This is a terrible aspect of WP7. The question is, when Microsoft adds some of the basic missing features, will updates come over the air and Zune be just an option for consumers.
Backup software is fine. I have no objection to making backups. There are multiple ways to backup. Backup is not as important with phones as other devices though as it is not a primary location for data storage, or shouldn't be. However yes, you want your particular choice of content for your phone to be backed up, reselecting it from some other source may be inconvenient.
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if u dont like it dont buy it what is the point *****ing???
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There is no such need since the phone should be able to access internet via wifi or via a usb connection to the PC. If there is no such connection you can't use Zune, so Zune is a strict disadvantage here, not an advantage.
Then this can be an option. Backup is separate to restore as processes, even if they are run at the same time.
This is a terrible aspect of WP7. The question is, when Microsoft adds some of the basic missing features, will updates come over the air and Zune be just an option for consumers.
Backup software is fine. I have no objection to making backups. There are multiple ways to backup. Backup is not as important with phones as other devices though as it is not a primary location for data storage, or shouldn't be. However yes, you want your particular choice of content for your phone to be backed up, reselecting it from some other source may be inconvenient.
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if you ever listen to the wp7 radio podcasts, they just talked about the update last week and decided they would force a backup just to be sure that people didn't screw it up.
It's really not that complicated. If you want OTA updates, get a damn android phone and move on.
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I'm not going to buy a WP7 phone because I'll have to install the Zune software to install OS updates.
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Then why are you here??? Not to mention zune software has been the most pleasant suprise of my buying the hd7.
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There is no such need since the phone should be able to access internet via wifi or via a usb connection to the PC. If there is no such connection you can't use Zune, so Zune is a strict disadvantage here, not an advantage.
Then this can be an option. Backup is separate to restore as processes, even if they are run at the same time.
This is a terrible aspect of WP7. The question is, when Microsoft adds some of the basic missing features, will updates come over the air and Zune be just an option for consumers.
Backup software is fine. I have no objection to making backups. There are multiple ways to backup. Backup is not as important with phones as other devices though as it is not a primary location for data storage, or shouldn't be. However yes, you want your particular choice of content for your phone to be backed up, reselecting it from some other source may be inconvenient.
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At the end of the day, Zune is here to say, at least for the foreseeable future, so there isn't much point in arguing its existence (or necessity). For most, it brings many conveniences. Its not perfect, and it doesn't work for everyone, but if you decide to buy into this platform and its many advantages, you've gotta roll with the punches.
Another important thing to remember is that no matter how much Microsoft may want this phone to be a viable business option, it isn't (at least in its current form). This platform was designed for the general consumer. Sad to say, but your general consumer isn't too bright. So I understand why backing up during every update is a necessity. I understand why Zune and a PC is required to sync media. I understand why they don't do OTA updating and limit OTA app downloads to under 20 MB.
Some of these things may be slight inconveniences to others, but I appreciate the fact that my phone always has a backup in case something goes wrong, and that I don't have to fumble between 5 different .EXE's or pages of directions to do what I need to do. I just fire up Zune, and it does my syncing, my backups, my restore, the marketplace, podcasts, etc. I mean my goodness, how many different applications did Windows Mobile have to accomplish all this. It was crazy. Windows Phone 7 has nowhere near the amount of issues that Windows Mobile had/has and I love it.
Look at it from a business standpoint too, and it further makes sense. Plug it into your Windows PC and hey that sells software. Require Zune and hey that sells movies, music, games, apps, and Zune Pass subscriptions. It advertises products not only from Microsoft, but using the Zune software is another way for Microsoft to provide access to and advertise the Marketplace to generate more sales and exposure for its developers.
In the grand scheme of things, plugging in your phone to your computer every once in a while is a rather trivial thing to complain about to most people.
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At the end of the day, Zune is here to say, at least for the foreseeable future, so there isn't much point in arguing its existence (or necessity). For most, it brings many conveniences. Its not perfect, and it doesn't work for everyone, but if you decide to buy into this platform and its many advantages, you've gotta roll with the punches.
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Right. It should be there. There should also be alternatives for businesses or anyone who is not the mass consumer.
Another important thing to remember is that no matter how much Microsoft may want this phone to be a viable business option, it isn't (at least in its current form). This platform was designed for the general consumer. Sad to say, but your general consumer isn't too bright. So I understand why backing up during every update is a necessity. I understand why Zune and a PC is required to sync media. I understand why they don't do OTA updating and limit OTA app downloads to under 20 MB.
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This is a good point, but Microsoft would be crazy to abandon business. They called it WP7, not Kin 2, and they know they need to cater to business at some point.
Some of these things may be slight inconveniences to others, but I appreciate the fact that my phone always has a backup in case something goes wrong, and that I don't have to fumble between 5 different .EXE's or pages of directions to do what I need to do. I just fire up Zune, and it does my syncing, my backups, my restore, the marketplace, podcasts, etc. I mean my goodness, how many different applications did Windows Mobile have to accomplish all this. It was crazy. Windows Phone 7 has nowhere near the amount of issues that Windows Mobile had/has and I love it.
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I see that. It's a minimal system that is easy. The problem with Zune is if it is so integrated that there is no alternative. Then it's a phone that is targeted towards entertainment but cannot be a business phone. Instead, the convenience features should be an added, optional layer on top of the OS, not integrated into the OS.
In the grand scheme of things, plugging in your phone to your computer every once in a while is a rather trivial thing to complain about to most people.
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That's fair. It's more of an architecturaral issue, that integration may be tying down the platform to specific uses and types of customer.
I don't understand the problem. iPhones require a connection to iTunes to update from what I recall, and those have been integrated into a business environment. I don't see how this is any different.
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Look, I am so incredibly happy that Zune was required for this phone, as I had no idea of how awesome it was, honestly. I always pushed it to the side for WMP and now I regret it, as the Zune Pass is the greatest thing I've ever spent money on...
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+1 exactly!
and now what..
w/ windows mobile device center and active zinc ""?
Hi guys,
anyone's who's read my posts would know my phone died recently due to zero battery and going through the boot loop cycle continuously. After leaving it overnight for 2 days on a iPad charger, it came back on again. My phone's done a hard reset, and I was wondering if there are any softwares available to retrieve the information in it. I know there're tools to retrieve information from hard drives that have been formatted, and would appreciate if any of you know of a tool that can get my photos out of my phone. Thanks in advance.
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Hi guys,
anyone's who's read my posts would know my phone died recently due to zero battery and going through the boot loop cycle continuously. After leaving it overnight for 2 days on a iPad charger, it came back on again. My phone's done a hard reset, and I was wondering if there are any softwares available to retrieve the information in it. I know there're tools to retrieve information from hard drives that have been formatted, and would appreciate if any of you know of a tool that can get my photos out of my phone. Thanks in advance.
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Well, that greatly depends on how thorough you're hoping this will be. Anything synced through Zune should be available, anything replicated to the cloud should be available (Windows Live ID, if you have an exchange server, Facebook and LinkedIn accounts, etc.) - but any game data is pretty much lost. In general, any applications that store info locally is pretty much lost AFAIK.
There's an application in Marketplace called Reinstaller that identifies apps you've already installed and helps you loop through them to, well, surprise surprise, re-install them. It's quite useful, here's the link in the Marketplace: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Reinstaller
What other things were you looking for?
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Well, that greatly depends on how thorough you're hoping this will be. Anything synced through Zune should be available, anything replicated to the cloud should be available (Windows Live ID, if you have an exchange server, Facebook and LinkedIn accounts, etc.) - but any game data is pretty much lost. In general, any applications that store info locally is pretty much lost AFAIK.
There's an application in Marketplace called Reinstaller that identifies apps you've already installed and helps you loop through them to, well, surprise surprise, re-install them. It's quite useful, here's the link in the Marketplace: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Reinstaller
What other things were you looking for?
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Thanks for the reply. My phone ran out of juice pretty much right after my trip to Taiwan, where I took quite a few photos. I didn't have time to sync it with my computer before it died. It's those photos I wish to retrieve. Any other suggestions?
My buddy who has an iPhone told me that in order to retrieve information from the iPhone, it needs to first be jailbreaked. That way we can bypass the phone's OS and connect to the hard drive directly. Obviously it's a long shot as any software would still need to retrieve what's been formatted over, but I wonder if it holds true in our case as well. Will I need to 'jailbreak' my phone first?
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My buddy who has an iPhone told me that in order to retrieve information from the iPhone, it needs to first be jailbreaked. That way we can bypass the phone's OS and connect to the hard drive directly. Obviously it's a long shot as any software would still need to retrieve what's been formatted over, but I wonder if it holds true in our case as well. Will I need to 'jailbreak' my phone first?
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Dude you are in the wrong place, as this forum, thread is not for iPhone.....
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Dude you are in the wrong place, as this forum, thread is not for iPhone.....
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He's in the right place, just because this is a Lumia 900 forum doesn't mean he can't use the i-word He has specified that it is possible on the iPhone, and is curious if it can be done on the Lumia. Seems like the perfect place for him to me...
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He's in the right place, just because this is a Lumia 900 forum doesn't mean he can't use the i-word He has specified that it is possible on the iPhone, and is curious if it can be done on the Lumia. Seems like the perfect place for him to me...
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Thanks again, eknuston.
I did a search online, and came across 2 photo recovery tools, which spelt out were meant for the Lumia 900.
The Stellar Phoenix Photo Recovery
http://android-photo-recovery.com/tutorials/recover-deleted-photos-videos-from-nokia-lumia-900.html
Photo Recovery Pro
http://android-photo-recovery.com/tutorials/recover-deleted-photos-videos-from-nokia-lumia-900.html
Unfortunately, both tools could not recognize our phones in the drive directory. That's when I realized that Windows 7 does not allow our phones to be used as removable drives.
I've since cracked the registry (using this tutorial)
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/18/use-your-windows-phone-7-device-as-a-portable-usb-drive/
My computer could recognize the phone, but the directories were empty. So I installed this:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/18/use-your-windows-phone-7-device-as-a-portable-usb-drive/
and I can now access the current files in my phone.
HOWEVER, I STILL AM UNABLE TO RETRIEVE THE ERASED FILES, as the 2 softwares are still unable to recognize the phone as a drive, despite the fact that the file explorer can.
Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do next (other than forget about the files, get a new phone, etc.). Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I forgot to mention that 'Computer Management' under Window's Administrative Tools, can't find the phone too. I suspect they're linked..
4th link?
Did you mean for the 4th link to be the same as the 3rd? I am trying to follow your steps to see if I can access my files but I am not sure what did you install in order to see your current files after the registry change. Thanks.
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Hey guys, just stop posting BS about "flash drive recovery"...
Lumia 900 isn't a flash drive and can't be restored this way (it works via Zune drivers, and shows not an actual "drive" but just some "virtual folders").
Finalizing: MCChang, you can't recover lost pics or any other info. And I can give the only one suggestion: next time if you want to keep your pics/info, use clouds (WP7 have ability to automatically upload pictures to the SkyDrive).
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Hey guys, just stop posting BS about "flash drive recovery"...
Lumia 900 isn't a flash drive and can't be restored this way (it works via Zune drivers, and shows not an actual "drive" but just some "virtual folders").
Finalizing: MCChang, you can't recover lost pics or any other info. And I can give the only one suggestion: next time if you want to keep your pics/info, use clouds (WP7 have ability to automatically upload pictures to the SkyDrive).
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thanks sensboston. I've pretty much resigned myself to it haha
You can recover deleted or formatted files from android phone with this data recovery solution: android phone data recovery
helped me before.
Anyone have any experience with encryption on the One? My work email is requiring it and I've heard bad things about speed and battery life on other phones.
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Anyone have any experience with encryption on the One? My work email is requiring it and I've heard bad things about speed and battery life on other phones.
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I'm a network admin at my work, and I setup our Exchange policy, also requiring encryption on mobile devices. I added my work email to my personal One, and the encryption process took around 30 minutes (rough guess). Only had the phone a few days before I did this, but I haven't really noticed any performance of battery difference. I think this was a problem on older devices, but I've never used encryption previously on my personal devices, so I can't speak for anything else for sure. But, this phone is a beast, no issues for me.
I ran a AnTuTu Benchmark test on the stock ROM (I'm not unlocked ), with the result: 26044.
Attached some photos, 1 of the benchmark, 2 showing proof on the Exchange policy and encryption.
Edit: It wouldn't let my upload more than one image, not sure what's going on...
I have the other pictures saved with same date and time, maybe I can upload them in a few mins.
There exists an app that sandboxes exchange so you can enable all their nonsense but it does not actually touch anything. I do not remember what it is called sadly.
Putting your work exchange email on your personal phone is a dumb move. As soon as you do this you no longer "own" your phone, your employer does. They can fully wipe your phone at any time. People need to stop allowing this practice entirely. If your work requires you to have exchange email on a mobile device, make them provide it. Stop using YOUR device, and footing the bill, for a tool and service that THEY should provide. It's amazing how you get to pay for it, but they want complete control.
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Putting your work exchange email on your personal phone is a dumb move. As soon as you do this you no longer "own" your phone, your employer does. They can fully wipe your phone at any time. People need to stop allowing this practice entirely. If your work requires you to have exchange email on a mobile device, make them provide it. Stop using YOUR device, and footing the bill, for a tool and service that THEY should provide. It's amazing how you get to pay for it, but they want complete control.
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for some people its a personal choice for convenience.
For others, their employer pays their cellphone bill while allowing the employee to choose the device. My wife's work is like that, but they don't seem to require even a secure lockscreen.
Put me on the "Personal Choice" list. I have been running exchange on my devices for years for my corporate email. No encryption forced but the security does require a pass-code. The other option would be to carry 2-3 devices...not my cup of tea.
I highly recommend Moxier Mail. My company requires that my entire phone is encrypted and this program was a good way to circumvent this. They have no way to tell that you are using the program. It is a bit pricey, but to fully encrypt a phone can take up to 16 hours depending on what you have.
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for some people its a personal choice for convenience.
For others, their employer pays their cellphone bill while allowing the employee to choose the device. My wife's work is like that, but they don't seem to require even a secure lockscreen.
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Just giving a heads up. Few people are aware that your entire phone can be wiped once you do this.
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Like I said, I'm a network administrator at my work, and I created our Exchange policy, requiring a PIN and encryption. Exchange also has the option to control certain available features on the mobile device, such as the camera, or wifi, as well as preventing unsigned apps on the device. Like others have said, there is also the ability to remotely wipe the device from the Exchange server, or just remove the active sync account from the device.
I agree mostly with the above statements. I do not have a company supplied mobile phone, and don't really need one, but I did choose to have my work email setup on my phone for convenience, and for calendar entries. We do allow staff to add their work email to their own personal device, and that is why these type of options are available, so the company has a better control on the security and privacy of their digital property. I do not feel in any way that because I choose to add my work email to my own personal phone, that it is now company property, and I can remove my account at any time. I do agree, if the company requires you to have your work email on your mobile device, they company should at the very least pay the mobile bill, if not supply the device to begin with.
As far as the encryption, my HTC One took around 30 minutes to encrypt, and I have not seen any performance difference.
Attached are a few shots of the policy properties screen.
Edit: Another shot of the remote wipe screen.
Another thing to note, remote wipe is not necessarily a bad thing. I take some security in knowing I can wipe my device instantly should it go missing. Our setup has the option in the Outlook web interface so end-users can manage the device.
The longest encryption I ever did was an hour. 16 seems way too much but I guess it would depend on the phone and what was on the storage at the time.
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Another thing to note, remote wipe is not necessarily a bad thing. I take some security in knowing I can wipe my device instantly should it go missing. Our setup has the option in the Outlook web interface so end-users can manage the device.
The longest encryption I ever did was an hour. 16 seems way too much but I guess it would depend on the phone and what was on the storage at the time.
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+1, forgot to mention users can also remotely wipe their own device in the OWA.
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Another thing to note, remote wipe is not necessarily a bad thing. I take some security in knowing I can wipe my device instantly should it go missing. Our setup has the option in the Outlook web interface so end-users can manage the device.
The longest encryption I ever did was an hour. 16 seems way too much but I guess it would depend on the phone and what was on the storage at the time.
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It is a long time but when you have a 32 gig on storage w/ 32 gig sd card filled with vids, pics, and music it will get take a while for it to go.