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I think Android on the Rhodium is a lost cause now :(

I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.

yup its dead .. now lets move on.

[ACL] said:
yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL

Reefermattness said:
LOL
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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!

I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..

Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device

Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?

knappad said:
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.

Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme

No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH

OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.

Reefer for president !!!

agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android

You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.

or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..

alroco20 said:
No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.

Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.

sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.

[Q] is damageless dead.....no updates for damage control?

Why doesn't damage control gets updated like the other roms anymore

He's providing a public service and these guys have lives outside of the forum as well. He may or may not put up any updates. What he has out so far is pretty stable and is of good quality.
Take this as an opportunity to try out some of the other Devs work out there

I'm pretty sure he has a life now. He got married and would actually like to spend time with her.

I would love to see an update too. What damage has already is pretty badass! I'm sure we can all agree that there are never enough hours in a day... never enough time

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I'm pretty sure he has a life now. He got married and would actually like to spend time with her.
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What a selfish @ss.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

DamageROM for eclair was the creme de la creme of eclair roms.
We should be thankful of what he has provided.

Saturn2K said:
I'm pretty sure he has a life now. He got married and would actually like to spend time with her.
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You're not married are ya?
(just kidding honey love you!)
Yeah trev and damageless are super talented and I would love to see more from them, but if they also decided to "go out and play" for a bit it is totally cool. I do hope they're secretly working on The Monster Rom and nobody knows it yet. /dream

The lack of information from Treve and Damage have made me move away from their DC. I understand all too well that they have every right to do whatever they wish, but they have a community using their work that is left abandoned without any word of if they are working on something, taking a break, etc.
They just went silent.

they did reply a while back to let us know they were working on dconfig. now it was a few weeks ago.
I personally dont think DC is dead. Most of the updates that are done to all these other roms are minor tweaks and changes that rarely at least for me fix or change my performance and experience.
I think people are getting spoiled by the nightlies and frequent updates that a few roms put out MOST roms do not update every few days. Also most people cant name off much that actually needs updated with dc 3.5 that would make a major impact. they jsut want an update for updates sake.
Here is how this question will be answered. there is an ota update coming soon. If dc doesnt have an update to incorporate this ota then it is probably safe to say that DC is on hold (I am sure after the honeymoon phase etc we will see DL back).
Until then the rom uis solid has the major features has good performance and stability. All these minor tweaks that dont actually do much that some roms up out jsut to say they updated may make you feel good ... but it isnt really needed 90% of the time. It is just weird to me that when something works and works well people still thinkt here should be tons and tons of updates and go to roms that have a lot more problems and need updates and fixes to try to fix them all and praise it.

android woes on touch pro 2,which android to use?

i used to have a htc vogue (aka htc touch vx 6900 US Cellular) that would run android eclair but slowly. i was due for an upgrade and picked up the more powerful touch pro 2 specifically to run android smoother. i love the dual boot between a nice custom win mo rom and android,however, ive noticed there isnt nearly as many diffrent android developers trying to port or whatever the term is to get it to work on the touch pro 2 like there is with win mobile roms. project android froyo ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff but even on a overclock runs like crap,lagging and not running certain apps. the klinux eclair 2.1 sense UI is great but locks up,lags,no sounds and has no internet. neopeek's eclair runs the best out of them all,super fast and responsive but no internet,no live wall paper and no sounds.
can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project or update that can bring me as close to a functioning android OS that will work. eclair looks promising on speed,but there is to much that is still broke on it. thx

outlawbiker said:
can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project
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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.

redpoint73 said:
Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.
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when i said "actual" i ment one that works, im not trying to criticize any of the developers here or not be appreciative. im just looking to have android run as smooth as everyone else does on their tp2.

TP2 Development
I am experiencing the same situation as you, but understand the TP2 is still under heavy development. Now that sound is working I would imagine stability and other features will be addressed in the next few weeks. If you want a phone that will work perfectly with Android switch to the HTC Desire that US Cellular just put out a few weeks back, it ships with Android. You can buy yourself out of the contract pro-rated for the time you have left. You cannot expect a phone that ships with Windows Mobile to run Android flawlessly. If you want to increase progress you can download the development tools and help, or you can post a bounty for items you would like addressed. You could also download the 6/20 version of MightyROM and enjoy a stable WM6.5 build. Good luck!

They all work, just to varying degrees.
([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff
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That's probably the best build right there. If you were expecting Android to run flawlessly on your fancy new phone, you are very, very mistaken.
If you want Android to run like it does on Android-specific devices... then you probably should've bought an Android device.

yea, i know its still under dev, but its like i have to choose between lag on froyo builds but almost everything works,or eclair builds that run as smooth as silk but miss out on my data connection,gps,ect ect.
ive just spent so much time into studying everything into android development and installation/updates ect ect and i still haven't even scratched the surface and it becomes frustrating after a full month of installing and deleting and back and forth testing,trust me, i know we all do the same here,but my eyes are burning from reading so many forums/topics/guides and i figure ill just ask if anyone has got a few of the bugs i have mentioned out of the way.
i can appreciate that somethings dont work cause thats just the way it is,but the kicker here is that the froyo build has almost everything working correctly, not to go back right not and look at the topic,but the only thing thats not working is camera,battery and bluetooth i think? and no big deal i dont need it anyways right now, but why cant i get an eclair build in the same working order?
i just would of thought that what could be applied to froyo could just as easily been applied to eclair.
im on neopeek v1.1 eclair right now,im going to see if i can get my data connection for US cell to work with a few tweaks,but ill miss the live wallpapers and gps.

C'est la vie buddy.

lol,now after applying a fix for US cell's data network gps works but no data
rofl,this stuff is killing me! lol

outlawbiker said:
when i said "actual" i ment one that works
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This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.

redpoint73 said:
This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.
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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.

outlawbiker said:
omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.
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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...

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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...
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um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?

how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
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I'm not sure what to tell you. I doubt my phone works any better than yours or anyone elses - it's FAR from perfect, as you've found and evidently have accepted.
So wait and be patient for new developments with the project - it's always gotten better & better.
With that said, I can only assume eclair development stopped because I know I'd prefer to run froyo over eclair... You can try throwing a new zImage/modules/rootfs at an eclair build, but no guranatees there.

Did you ever think it could be your SD card? Have you tried switching them out? Have you done a FULL (not quick) format to FAT32?
Froyo runs WAY faster than Eclair EVER did on my handset. There is no doubt about the difference, and thats why development shifted away from a dying and outdated version.

outlawbiker said:
um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?
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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.

ambegojapes said:
the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else.
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What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.

manekineko said:
What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.

this is actually my 10th or more install of prj android froyo and this time for some weird reason it is faster.
yes i did format the sd card the long way, i used gparted live cd as well because i had to set it up for neopeek in 2 partitions . i have two sd cards at 2 and 4 gigs (i swap between) that i just decided to keep a 512mb partition in ext2 for projects like neopeek on both of them.
regardless this time around is giving me a faster experience on froyo, and i didnt edit change anything,just the common install with a soft restart as usual.i am using the blazn overclock i believe it is 716 or 768 mhz.
and of coarse i will keep you posted on any changes or fixes i find.

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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.
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what is it with you people, didn't mommy and daddy love you enough as a child and teach you if you dont have anything good to say then dont say it all. who is belittling developers? i didnt come in here saying i think some one from this project or that is retarded,as a matter of fact i am grateful for the work these people have done and your trying to belittle me. im explaining what issues im having between different projects and jerks like you are trying to make me look like the bad guy.so comon down from your high horse and actually read what im talking about instead of jumping of the handle and making your self look like a complete jackass. yet once again, you miss the point. if i wanted an android phone i would of got one from the beginning ,i got a tp2 obviously to play around with android,see what it can do,what i can do to it and other reasons. ive got a few dev tools to create software for android i would like to use, so im asking questions, and if you sat a computer for as long as i have researching this with 30 or more tabs open trying to take notes from other threads,you'd be sick of reading all this other crap and post your own experiences/questions too.
and im a little well wiser than to keep stroking your ego,because people like you starve for the attention,otherwise you wouldnt jump into this thread to post your snotty ass comments.so if you wanna keep talking crap instead of offering something insightful to say,go ahead,cause im done dealing with **** heads like you.

Well another thread where you all jump on someone and make him look like an asshole for asking questions. How can you help people when you treat them like ****? I've been working with Linux and Android for a while now and I bet half of you write code that looks like a kid scribbling on the back of a McDonald´s napkin. I tell you what.. Treat people better and you just might have more people to aid in the projects and to the functionally quality. I have been messing with Linux and the open source development scene for years and this is a joke. Like a bunch of kids with computers and a power trip but on the same token you all write code like old people ****

Help... Which one Rom?

Hi, i am very new at all of this, i have never even rooted a phone before. my question is which rom do i want... there are like 10-15 of them, i want one thats fast, i hear that touchwiz really slows everything down so i guess one that gets rid of that. everyone talks about the pure google experience, which one(s) would give me that. but also with features like the cool crt thing, and the the toggles in the notification bar (4g,wifi) there was one with alot of different ones...
then like 2 weeks ago, the infamous bubby got ics working but there werent any fixes because apparently he was banned... so i guess, cant really expect anything new to come from there... is anyone else going to continue it, or start over? is bubby's stable enough?
also, one last thing, please dont laugh, but if someone could just tell me how the procedure works, i can watch the how to videos but the order is my question, first you root (with "odin"), then you flash a rom?
thanks

mottyengel said:
Hi, i am very new at all of this, i have never even rooted a phone before. my question is which rom do i want... there are like 10-15 of them, i want one thats fast, i hear that touchwiz really slows everything down so i guess one that gets rid of that. everyone talks about the pure google experience, which one(s) would give me that. but also with features like the cool crt thing, and the the toggles in the notification bar (4g,wifi) there was one with alot of different ones...
then like 2 weeks ago, the infamous bubby got ics working but there werent any fixes because apparently he was banned... so i guess, cant really expect anything new to come from there... is anyone else going to continue it, or start over? is bubby's stable enough?
also, one last thing, please dont laugh, but if someone could just tell me how the procedure works, i can watch the how to videos but the order is my question, first you root (with "odin"), then you flash a rom?
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there are probably a lot more than 10-15. there could also be ROMs in other places (sites) for your device. the rule is, that you have to check ROMs yourself. what someone else finds great may not run so smoothly on your hardware. you just have to try them yourself. there are different 'flavors' of ROMs, because the user experience is subjective. sticking with the 'flavor' metaphor, do you think a group of 1000 people could tell you what flavor of ice cream you would like 'best'? of course not, people like different things. the only thing you can do is try them out, and decide for yourself.
I'm not positive, but I think almost all of the ICS builds you'll find will likely be 'alpha' or 'beta', at best. Which means that they're not really stable enough for daily use yet. right now, ICS is more of a proof of concept and for devs who are working hard to get it ready to be ported to your phone. asking 'Are we there yet?', isn't going to make it arrive any faster.
and to your last question. that's about right. when you've rooted, then you can flash. read, read, read. then when you feel ready...flash away.
hope this helps. good luck!

thanks for your help... yeah, i guess ive just got to check them all out... maybe try a couple different ones..

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thanks for your help... yeah, i guess ive just got to check them all out... maybe try a couple different ones..
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that's the best route. also, you can check youtube by searching for the name of a ROM you're interested in. sometimes you'll find walkthru videos that can help you eliminate some of them without wasting the time and effort of flashing. or maybe you'll see the video and say 'THAT'S the rom I want!!!'

Baked Rom?

Not sure if this is a touchy subject but, does anybody know what happened to baked rom? It seems as if they just fell off the face of the earth....
Again, sorry if i shouldnt go in to this, i just cant find any info on them, and their wesite/ G+ hasnt been touched in months. To bad, was a great rom....

I don't think there is anything touchy about it. TravP just took a break. I remember the gap between Baked 8 and 9 was forever, and by that time a new Android (4.2?) was released. Then someone leaked BB9 to the forums when they shouldn't have and he decided to just scrap it. I still have a test build running on my Nexus S I think lol. I swear I saw someone post a screenshot of Trav running BB11 (might have even been trav himself on twitter) not too long ago, so maybe he will jump back in to things eventually. Baked is still the favorite ROM I've had the chance to run!

Thanks for the info, didnt know about that. That sucks it had to end that way, but i understand why he did it. It was also my fav rom. I would still run it if i could. I hope he does jump back into it. It would make me a pretty happy camper

Andromendous said:
Thanks for the info, didnt know about that. That sucks it had to end that way, but i understand why he did it. It was also my fav rom. I would still run it if i could. I hope he does jump back into it. It would make me a pretty happy camper
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Trust me you wouldn't be the only one! On the GNex we had one of the longest threads in the forum going. Then our device maintainer got banned for something stupid and they locked the thread. (Mind you, this is probably 10 months after the last official release lol)So most of us just left XDA. My S4 isn't even rooted because I can't run AOKP or an AOKP variant. Damn I miss those days!

Ya, alot has changed in the past year or two, but it will get better

Completely OT but I figure why make a new thread. Couple questions for you. 1. Which N7 do you have? 2. Do you know of any ROMs for Deb that have a mutiwindow feature?