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will anyone be porting cyanogen Roms

HI there I am sure there is a lot of people who want this Rom. We have the kernal now someone must be able to do it.

You perhaps?
Seriously though, I started looking into building the 2.69.29 kernel, and got as far as setting up a development environment and building the 2.69.27 kernel from source.
However, Google then announced Android 2.0, and HTC announced that the Hero would be getting it, so I rather lost interest in spending a load of time on something which will likely become obsolete in a few weeks. I'm sure that's the case for many people here who were thinking about dipping their toes in.
Regards,
Dave

Yes but remember if you learn how to compile kernels and all that fun stuff then you can help bring the latetst and greatest to the phone after 2.0. Thats what Im trying to do. I have a CDMA Hero so I'm trying to help build the dev community there.

chuckhriczko said:
Yes but remember if you learn how to compile kernels and all that fun stuff then you can help bring the latetst and greatest to the phone after 2.0. Thats what Im trying to do. I have a CDMA Hero so I'm trying to help build the dev community there.
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I know how to build kernels - it's the balls-aching work of adding the HTC changes to 2.69.29 that doesn't interest me because I can tell you for certain, it won't be fun! Given that 2.0 is just around the corner (hopefully!), I personally don't see much benefit at this stage.
Regards,
Dave

E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
I mean like F*CK reiserFS and ext5 kernel support. WTF will that give us?
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING. If I had a G1, which is 150 euros cheaper, I would be running 1.6 WITH the Sense UI, should I ever want that. With full WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS, camera, trackball, sensor, everything.
Now I am stuck with an ugly ass branded Hero.
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Just have patience. As I have stated I came from the Dream forums. Quite honestly, I would still have my Dream if I didnt have to switch to Sprint but I did and now have the Hero. Thing is, we are rolling along pretty well. We just need patience. It took a long time to get more devs working on the Dream. At first we just had JesusFreke for the longest time but then we got Haykuro who was an amazing dev. Then Cyanogen came along and so did the others. I am working hard trying to learn this stuff as I am sure a lot of us are. Just be patient. The Hero will get it's due.

E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
I mean like F*CK reiserFS and ext5 kernel support. WTF will that give us?
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING. If I had a G1, which is 150 euros cheaper, I would be running 1.6 WITH the Sense UI, should I ever want that. With full WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS, camera, trackball, sensor, everything.
Now I am stuck with an ugly ass branded Hero.
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Wow, I have no words at all. I would be flaming this guys post if I wasnt this tired..

Foxmeister is right. Seriously, with the rapid changes in play, with HTC announcing they will be bringing Android 2.0 to the Hero soon, it makes little sense to invest time right now tweaking a kernel build that will be obsoleted. Hopefully HTC will give us an Android 2.0 build for Xmas. Then, we will start doing some serious playing with the kernel.

E2K said:
The situation now is like this:
(Linux analogy.)
-How is your linux install going?
"Well, I am just finishing patching my kernel, because I don't need SSE4 instructions you know, plus I want to add-in reiserFS support, you never know when that will come in handy "
-Cool, so you got everything working?
"Err, no. They headphone jack does not work, also the trackpad of my laptop does not work. I can't connect to my wifi router, hmm, what else?
Oh yeah, bluetooth does not seem to work, but who uses that anyway "
-...yeah, indeed, who uses wifi, or the trackpad right? I believe that you are skilled enough, that if you devoted your reiserFS and sse4 time to making the basic things work, you would have it running in no time!
"stfu noob! who are you to tell me which features I use or don't use??"
Yeah, it ends in tears of course
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And did u do anything to change this situation but naging?
Seriuosly dude, you are not contributing anything at all to this community right now. And you are naging about others work?
And people have real lifes outside of xda development...

behnaam said:
And did u do anything to change this situation but naging?
Seriuosly dude, you are not contributing anything at all to this community right now. And you are naging about others work?
And people have real lifes outside of xda development...
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I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
Nobody is listening, and all the devs 'we have' (I mean people who develop Hero firmwares) are all working seperate on having their own modded, or not modded, ext3 or ext4 support, 1.5 or 1.6 kernels.
I know that I may sound like a noob, but I believe I have a point.
My contribution is insight. The insight that people who work separate lack; the knowledge that if all you hero Devs would work together, nothing could stop you.
You would be uploading videos of Google navigation on Hero even before the G1 had it. I believe in your combined skills, I really do.
I would have sold my Hero after 4 days if I did not believe

E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
SNIP>>>
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Hahah hilarious, you're a credit to this forum, and to the unluckly humans that bore you.
Seriously, have you got nothing better to complain about? If you don't like Sense UI, then go and buy the Magic or the Samsung Galaxy, at least we wouldn't have to listen to your whinging here...
E2K said:
I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
Nobody is listening, and all the devs 'we have' (I mean people who develop Hero firmwares) are all working seperate on having their own modded, or not modded, ext3 or ext4 support, 1.5 or 1.6 kernels.
I know that I may sound like a noob, but I believe I have a point.
My contribution is insight. The insight that people who work separate lack; the knowledge that if all you hero Devs would work together, nothing could stop you.
You would be uploading videos of Google navigation on Hero even before the G1 had it. I believe in your combined skills, I really do.
I would have sold my Hero after 4 days if I did not believe
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Your contribution isn't insight, it's just an attempt to reduce the phone to the same Android device that everyone else has, instead of making improvements/optimisations to better the way the standard device works with kernel improvements, speed increases and new features.

Why don't you help with the ION/Cupcake development effort anyway (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578162)???

E2K said:
I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
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Oh I see - so just because you want this, you think someone else should spend *their* time and effort to achieve *your* goals. That is no contribution.
According to this poll, it is currently over 7 to 1 in favour of Sense UI (subject to change of course! ), but because *you* don't like it you think that devs shouldn't worry about Sense UI and look at vanilla Android!
As I've already stated, IMHO working on a 2.69.29 kernel is a pointless waste of time right now, as we can expect HTC to drop a fully functional Android 2.0 *with* Sense UI in the near future. Once we have that, the kernel ripped out and dumped into a vanilla Android build, but this will only be done by some who knows how to do it, and crucially wants to!
Here's a tip - if you don't like it, go and build a new version yourself. There's nothing stopping you!
Regards,
Dave

kwiksand said:
Why don't you help with the ION/Cupcake development effort anyway (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578162)???
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What is there to help?
post things like:
"Oh I'm so sad that your computer broke down D': !!!"
"wow I hoppe you really get the accelerometer working!!"
Come on now.
Nobody is making progress by posting in that thread. I read every single page so I know. The only progress is done by the poor developer, poor because people will forget about him as soon as a better one stands up; or when HTC releases 2.0
I wanted to cherish that developer because I believe he is skilled enough to replace the HTC apps one day, and bring to us the closest to vanilla android as is possible without having actual vanilla android (which would not have proper wifi, BT, accelerometer, headphone support, etc etc etc anyway)

foxmeister said:
Oh I see - so just because you want this, you think someone else should spend *their* time and effort to achieve *your* goals. That is no contribution.
According to this poll, it is currently over 7 to 1 in favour of Sense UI (subject to change of course! ), but because *you* don't like it you think that devs shouldn't worry about Sense UI and look at vanilla Android!
As I've already stated, IMHO working on a 2.69.29 kernel is a pointless waste of time right now, as we can expect HTC to drop a fully functional Android 2.0 *with* Sense UI in the near future. Once we have that, the kernel ripped out and dumped into a vanilla Android build, but this will only be done by some who knows how to do it, and crucially wants to!
Here's a tip - if you don't like it, go and build a new version yourself. There's nothing stopping you!
Regards,
Dave
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Everyone who is working on 2.69.29 in a way is pointless, because it is too hard for them to ever get a fully functional android anyway.
They know this themselves.
Their biggest achievement would be to get even half the stuff working, we are not talking about a fully functional rom here!
I did my part in mailing, calling and twittering HTC to release the source, so that the Devs could do what they do best better; develop.
I am a poor med student, I don't have money to throw around on another android phone, I need to buy books and ****.

E2K said:
I did my part in mailing, calling and twittering HTC to release the source, so that the Devs could do what they do best better; develop.
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E2K said:
I wanted to cherish that developer because I believe he is skilled enough to replace the HTC apps one day
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E2K said:
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING
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Yeh - you're really helpful - when it comes to bad mouthing people, because you can't get what you want and aren't skilled enough to do it yourself. Great job at "cherishing" benhaam, I can see he's really impressed by your attitude.
E2K said:
I am a poor med student, I don't have money to throw around on another android phone, I need to buy books and ****.
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Here's a suggestion, if you stop talking it, you could just concentrate on buying the books!
Once again, you've missed the crucial point, and that is that no one around here wants to piss around with Donut etc, when Eclair for the Hero is just around the corner.
If you want a vanilla Android device, sell your Hero and buy a 32A Magic. I'm sure you'd find someone in the Sapphire forums willing to trade!
Dave

Hi Dave,
I appreciate that you give your opinion!
I understand that 2.0 is around the corner, and that because of that, nobody wants to invest in 'old' roms, which is understandable.
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.

kwiksand said:
Seriously, have you got nothing better to complain about? If you don't like Sense UI, then go and buy the Magic or the Samsung Galaxy, at least we wouldn't have to listen to your whinging here...
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Sense UI is useless and poorly coded. I bought the Hero because I was convinced that I can actually disable this. I like the form-factor of the Hero - thats why I bought it. Not this useless eye-candy.
If a stable release of a vanilla android 2.0 comes out for the Hero I would jump on it right away and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

E2K said:
including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
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E2K said:
My contribution is insight.
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i will write that down.
E2K said:
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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still, the only problem we have is that you and three others are the only four people in the world that want to have a vanilla android over htc sense...
so devs team up and the world... erh no the mighty group of four shall be yours forever... until eclair is released.

stingerpl said:
Sense UI is useless and poorly coded. I bought the Hero because I was convinced that I can actually disable this. I like the form-factor of the Hero - thats why I bought it. Not this useless eye-candy.
If a stable release of a vanilla android 2.0 comes out for the Hero I would jump on it right away and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.
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Same here!
The build quality and the form-factor were my reasons for getting the hero, I really wanted an android phone (without keyboard) and this one had the best processor (7200A instead of 7201) and most memory.

E2K said:
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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It's not a worthwhile investment IMHO.
Once 2.0 drops for the Hero, you'd be able to build a vanilla 2.0 from the Eclair AOSP because you'll have the correct kernel (2.69.31 I think) with all the HTC driver specific parts. You could do the same today for 1.5 (Cupcake) because we already have the correct kernel for this.
The issue with doing this for Donut is that there's quite a lot of work porting the HTC kernel changes from 2.69.27 to 2.69.29, and this will *all* be rendered redundant when 2.0 drops.
As an aside, there is no reason at all to expect that HTC won't include Google Maps Navigation in their 2.0 build for Hero, but even if they don't getting it working should be relatively trivial. Getting it working on Cupcake though, which is two generations of OS behind, would be much, much harder and again wasted effort once 2.0 is finally available.
Regards,
Dave

will Android ever be complete?

Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.

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Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.
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I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel, I think most of the support we had will move towards getting Android on better, newer, and more capable devices like the HD2. In addition, most of the remaining problems with getting Android completely working are the ones that were very difficult to begin with. Things like initializing hardware correctly, and figuring out how to get the various parts of the device to talk to each other. I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).

it seemed at first that android for the touch pro would never work but now the only thing that doesnt work is the camera. maybe the touch pro 2 will get to that level some day. who knows.

So from what I gathered, the Tilt 2 won't be having any further development to work with Android? I also still have my Fuze. Is that development continuing? If so, maybe I will keep my Fuze instead of selling it and use it to test with Android?
By the way, what is the real name for the Tilt 2? Is it Rhodium or ?
Thanks guys, this place really ROXS!
I await your replies!
ITAdmin

I'm not sure what you mean by complete. New builds are released all the time, etc. If you mean all hardware functioning, here is the list from Reefer's thread:
NOT WORKING IN THIS BUILD:
BT
Sound (in call mic and earpiece work, no ringtones or music)
Camera
Opengles: using software rendering for the time being.
Battery Meter
For sound, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121743
One guy has made an NDISwrapper for Android...amazing.
For HW3D, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125379
Battery Meter is working very well. It's not accurate (seems like it's 10-15% off) but it shows low, which means you can get charged up in time with no problems. I also recall phhusson saying this WILL be 100% some day, it's just very tedious and time consuming, and everyone is more concerned with making things run better and on more hardware.
In other words, development is still very much active and some very smart people are working on these problems. I believe Mr. Steve Ballmer said it best here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4
If you're patient, more of the pieces will come together soon enough and Android for our device will be more complete (relatively speaking). For the record, I'm very content with the state of things. All development from here is just icing on the cake
Mods, if I'm not supposed to link to outside forums, just delete them and/or let me know. That's just where the more technical info is.

i thought sound was fixed already today there was a new build for rhodium?.

i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.

bas85 said:
i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.
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This is incorrect. Please leave the release posts to those doing the releasing.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel... ...I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).
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This is also incorrect. TP2 development is moving along faster now than it has been in a while. Not everyone wants a HD2 just beacuse it can boot android. Sure it has a fancy screen but no hardware keyboard, so i'm not even considering it as an option for a new device. Also, for future reference there are quite a few more than just one person working on this...

Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.

Hamsteriel said:
Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.
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ok, point taken. When will Android ever be fully functional on the Tilt 2 phone?

Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.

Hamsteriel said:
Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.
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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway

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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway
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Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
Code:
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anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.

The Jack of Clubs said:
anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.
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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.

Anomoly said:
Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.

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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.
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you didn't have a clue mmh ? what where you thinking ? that those people are well paid for doing it, and because of that your in position to come here and whine ?
and it's nothing about wearing hearts on sleeves, since it's only repeating the obvious like breaking in open doors.
however, I have some question :
Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?

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Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?
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there's a bounty started for this, but i haven't been following it, i don't know how up to date it is. i'd link to it, but i'm not allowed to post links yet...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370

Anomoly said:
You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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I bought my HD2 as soon as it came out but I still want android on the tp2. I know its frustrating waiting for what seems forever. If you really cant wait go get a better more capable phone. The hd2 is great multipurpose device.
<3 my wing/tp2/hd2

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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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like what? it has to work on atts network.

I think Android on the Rhodium is a lost cause now :(

I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.

yup its dead .. now lets move on.

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yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL

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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!

I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..

Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device

Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?

knappad said:
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.

Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.

Reefermattness said:
Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme

No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH

OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.

Reefer for president !!!

agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android

You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.

or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..

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No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.

Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.

sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.

[Q] I rooted my G2. . . now what?

Well, it's officially been two months since I got my G2. What else is there left for me to do?
- I've already got SIM Unlock, superCID, and radio S-OFF.
- I've already got CM7 Nightly 92 w/ Pershoot's latest Gingerbread kernel.
- I've already got backups of Virtuous, Virtuous G-Lite, and CM7.
- I've already installed Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and set up lxde.
- I've already overclocked and underclocked my CPU.
What else is there left for me to do? Can I dual-boot between different mobile operating system platforms (i.e. Symbian^3/Maemo 5, Windows Mobile, HP webOS/Palm OS, etc.)? Can I do ANYTHING else other than flash a ROM/Kernel and overclock? Or is this it?

You have done pretty much everything there is to. The next step is start cooking up your own stuff. I'm guessing you all ready have adb working. You can download apk manager http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695701 and start doing some themeing of your own or port some themes for your favourite roms.
And if your feeling really adventurous have a go at building your own roms, there is a really easy to use rom kitchen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
If your computer is up to it you could try building cm from source have a look at the cm wiki http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Building_from_source
I don't think there is anyway to use any of the other OS's you metioned. But some one is working on a project to dual boot android roms, the concept is awesome it would be cool to dual boot between sense and CM, have a look here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847423 this is a WIP though
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cjward23 said:
You have done pretty much everything there is to. The next step is start cooking up your own stuff. I'm guessing you all ready have adb working. You can download apk manager http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695701 and start doing some themeing of your own or port some themes for your favourite roms.
And if your feeling really adventurous have a go at building your own roms, there is a really easy to use rom kitchen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
If your computer is up to it you could try building cm from source have a look at the cm wiki http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Building_from_source
I don't think there is anyway to use any of the other OS's you metioned. But some one is working on a project to dual boot android roms, the concept is awesome it would be cool to dual boot between sense and CM, have a look here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847423 this is a WIP though
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You serious?
This is all I can do?
****!!!!! I should've gone with an HD2.
I'm already cooking up a custom ROM.
punjabiM0D? It's in my signature.
You gotta be kidding me. So you're telling me there's no way I can get Maemo/Symbian^3/webOS on my phone as a dual-boot? Is there at least a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR? I'm sick and tired of HTC Sense.

On the xda app so can't see your Sig. Siulmagic did do a droid x port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051229 so you can give motoblur a try.
The HD2 is the xda king everything seems to work on it. Our lowly G2/DZ are not in the same leauge.
It may be possible to port some of the OS's you mentioned but i dont believe anyone is curently work on them. But i would love to be proved wrong.
How is your custom rom coming? If you need anyone to test I'm all ways happy to help. I have a really quiet job which provides me with a lot of spare time and a decent internet connection.
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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.

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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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It sounds make sense to me
I just wonder my old Blackstone can't run android while it has winmo?
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I just wonder my old Blackstone can't run android while it has winmo?
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Not too familiar with the Blackstone, but probably just a matter of developer interest. The Blackstone seems to have pretty similar specs to my old Touch Pro 2 (in terms of CPU and memory), and the TP2 does run Android. Although the TP2 Android project was pretty slow and laggy when I last played with it in December or so (but it looks like a lot more work has been done on the project).

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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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This is a bunch of ****!
I traded in my iPhone 4 for a G2, and I've already reached the end of the damn world in less than two months? Bull-****!!!!!!!
So not even another Linux-based operating system like Symbian^3, Maemo, or webOS can be installed on my G2?

Its a phone, and its designed to be used with its native OS. Not for loading other OSes willy-nilly, for your enjoyment.
Even if you could load other OSes onto it, so what? Would that radically change your smartphone experience, and what you do with you phone day to day? Not really.

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Its a phone, and its designed to be used with its native OS. Not for loading other OSes willy-nilly, for your enjoyment.
Even if you could load other OSes onto it, so what? Would that radically change your smartphone experience, and what you do with you phone day to day? Not really.
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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?

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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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Well for starters you could settle down and control your compulsiveness to jack with your phone. Android is probably the best OS out there, no reason to port to an inferior one. You are the first I have heard that has wanted a port to all these other variances. Most others are happy with the Android OS and like the custom ROMs and ways we can customize our devices already.
My advice to you... find a well paying job, squander all your money with buying yourself a brand new phone every month or two without contract. Maybe port all this other crap yourself. You seem to complain a lot, so intead of doing that, make your own ports and ROMs. That oughta make you happy

you could download eclips and the android sdk start making your own apps
you could try and port touchWiz or motoBlur to your phone your self
i beleave there is a port for MeeGo for our phone but is is far to slow to do any thing on
EDIT: and by the way your coming over a a bit of a **** when people are trying to help you

teh5abiking said:
Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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I don't really know what you are expecting, its a phone. how much more could you want it do to? compare it a iPhone, then you would be limited. If your desperate for a Touchwiz or Motoblur Rom, port it your self. The reason why these ROM's haven't been done is because there not rated very highly particularly Motoblur.
You have a great phone with good dev support. appreciate it .

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Well for starters you could settle down and control your compulsiveness to jack with your phone. Android is probably the best OS out there, no reason to port to an inferior one. You are the first I have heard that has wanted a port to all these other variances. Most others are happy with the Android OS and like the custom ROMs and ways we can customize our devices already.
My advice to you... find a well paying job, squander all your money with buying yourself a brand new phone every month or two without contract. Maybe port all this other crap yourself. You seem to complain a lot, so intead of doing that, make your own ports and ROMs. That oughta make you happy
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I'm not THAT impulsive.
I took my meds. (ADHD can do that to a kid)
I just feel trapped inside Google, Android, and HTC.
If Android really is as open-source as Google claims it to be, why do I feel so restricted?

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I don't really know what you are expecting, its a phone. how much more could you want it do to? compare it a iPhone, then you would be limited. If your desperate for a Touchwiz or Motoblur Rom, port it your self. The reason why these ROM's haven't been done is because there not rated very highly particularly Motoblur.
You have a great phone with good dev support. appreciate it .
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I'm grateful for that much.
I just wanna figure out what else there is to do. Ironically, I feel restricted in an open-source operating system.

teh5abiking said:
I'm grateful for that much.
I just wanna figure out what else there is to do. Ironically, I feel restricted in an open-source operating system.
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dude, what else do you want to do? I guess that's a good question to ask. There are literary tons of stuff to do with your phone. There are numerous ports with this phone you can try. You wanna play dual core games like samuarai vengeance 2 eventhough you don't have dual core? Go right ahead with chainfire3d. You can theme your phone how ever you want with icons, colors, ANYTHING. What other operating system allows you to do this? How would you be better off with ANY other OS? You can easily flash themes and such to make it looks like touchwiz, or motoblur. you can even make it look like honeycomb for goodness sake. Fool around with the UOT kitchen and cook up some fancy looking themes are icons.
I suggest you do a little searching around on xda, OTHER than the G2 thread because there are tons of stuff that apply to alot of phones that aren't just found in that device's forum. Its dumb for you to judge the one OS that actually ALLOWS you to do whatever you want to it.
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PEANUT BUTTA JELLY TIME!!! GIVE SOMEBODY A HIGH 5..THEN SHOW THEM UR AWESOME ROM
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You could take a screw driver to your phone.. open it into pieces.. I don't think it would be so restricted anymore.

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Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do?
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Giving my opinion does not make me a know-it-all, and nothing I said implies that I think I know more than you. You're going to come in here throwing around foul language and calling people names, and still expect people to give you ideas?
You seem fixated on just loaded different OSes, and just don't want to accept the answers people are giving you. People have already gave tons of suggestions. But you aren't interested in listening.
MotoBlur and TouchWiz are trash, anyway. Not much more than cosmetic changes to the launcher, and other general theming. You can easily mess around with those things yourself, as several others have already suggested.

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Giving my opinion does not make me a know-it-all, and nothing I said implies that I think I know more than you. You're going to come in here throwing around foul language and calling people names, and still expect people to give you ideas?
You seem fixated on just loaded different OSes, and just don't want to accept the answers people are giving you. People have already gave tons of suggestions. But you aren't interested in listening.
MotoBlur and TouchWiz are trash, anyway. Not much more than cosmetic changes to the launcher, and other general theming. You can easily mess around with those things yourself, as several others have already suggested.
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Already working on a port for them -_-
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[Q] [Gingerbread]Lack of progress

I've noticed, after hovering without an account here for the last 6 months, that there is a lack of development progress for the gingerbread port from xdandroid. I know they are busy with the froyo builds and what not. But has there been ANY progress made for GB? I'm running the alpha build and it is noticeably faster than froyo on my tp2. The inbound sound when receiving and making calls is clearer. It also seems to handle my cell phone signal better than froyo. If there is anything new for gingerbread but hasn't been released could someone point me in the right direction? I am willing to use my phone for the devlopers to test new builds on and report back every function that works and doesn't if need be. Thanks in advance for anyone who answers.

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I've noticed, after hovering without an account here for the last 6 months....
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Same here! I just visited the gingerbread thread, and arrrghhh (i'll learn the correct spelling eventually, or is that right?) basically said that they have to port the fixes they made with FRXO7 to gingerbread, so progress seems to be getting made

Sweet. Im excited about it. I prefer gingerbread to froyo. It handles data better I've noticed. I'll be donating some of my time going through the source to see if I can help at all. I have experience in c++/c# coding emulators for MMOs. I know its a big jump from games to an OS but eh I would like to help as much as possible. I'll let ya know if i do any improvements myself.

Just tried it in gingerbread, just for kicks. and i found out that...
the same thing happens (-_-) still testing!

I managed to get it to work on GB just fine. no issues no lag oddly enough.
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Highly considering inventing a phone with upgradable RAM and CPUs =x
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Hope about considering the mozilla seabird as your base?
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sure if the concept ever becomes REAL lol