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[Dev] Custom roms cooking and developpement status

Hi Cookers and Devs,
We face a set of problems with Hero custom roms. The fact is that nobody has been able to port another device's rom, even a cupcake rom. We always face the same main problems: no bluetooth, no trackball, no camera, no accelerometer and, most of the time, no GPS. We all tried lots of cooking (changed many files, libs etc...) with no success.
That is why we thought we were missing kernel sources. Now we have them, we have noticed that the customization of stock android-msm sources by HTC is huge compared to, for example, the small kernel patch for sapphire 32a devices. To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks. But, the fact that we face the same problems for porting cupcake and donut roms make me think that the kernel version is NOT the problem.
My thought is that HTC's android customization may be huge too... (android framework may have been modified) But because of android's apache license they don't have to release sources. It is a hard and long work to guess all those changes...
Concerning rom cooking, Sapphire/Dream Cookers faced the same problems porting Hero roms to there devices for a long time. Drizzy has got bluetooth fixed no so long ago.... I am sure they have the knowledge we miss. But we then face an other problem, most of those Cookers think Hero is ****,or don't want to know anything about non google branded devices, or, coming from WinMo world, have lots of difficulties sharing their knowledge...
I suggest that we, all Hero rom cookers and devs, try to port Sapphire AOSP Cupcake to Hero. Why cupcake? Because we can be sure kernel version 2.6.27 is ok with it. I am pretty sure that, once done, we will be able to port other roms.
The progress of that work would go to this thread.
What you (devs and cookers) think ?

The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.

adwinp said:
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
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Was it cupcake? Did bluetooth, accelerometer, Gps worked? Any link to it?
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The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
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Well, sure it is harder, but we face about the same as porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.27 kernel. That is what makes me think kernel version may not be the solution for most of the problems we face.
adwinp said:
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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Yes it worth the time. Creating a 2.6.29 branch on github easy, applying patch isn't: many rejects. And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources

we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks
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regarding that issue, maybe we could setup some kind of donation and give the donation as a "reward" to the "expert" dev who first can provide a working kernel...?
i know its a long shot...
and it all depends on how willing the HERO community is willing to donate...

nice going guys. i was really getting tired to see no remarkable development in hero and was planning to get an additional dream just for playing. and i was really dissappointed seeing hero cookers not giving much **** about roms and releasing nice stuffs.
now i understand what the barricades are. and yeah its true that dream and sapphire cookers really dont give **** about hero. i am creating a theme of my own and wanted to have a transparent top taskbar and top clock color black and i asked several time sin dream and sapphire threads but dint get a SINGLE reply.
however, its really true that HTC wont be giving us 2.6.29 any time soon rather will make it as longer as possible. so it would be best to try ourselves to make it ourselves. and as its really a troublesome work it wud be really great if u guys cud have worked together to get it quickly.
and as we all know none of u live on cooking roms i wud really to contribute in the donation thing as much i can. a $20 donation doesnt really hurt much to get my $700 phone going.
last but not the least... request to other fellow hero users....... please help ourselves by rising a fund of donation for our cookers so that they get enough encouragement for cooking hero roms.
regards

have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...

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have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.

dying4004 said:
bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...

kendong2 said:
well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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bro i completely understand what u wanna say as the money we want to donate has to be earned by hard work by us. but u be sure that it will be at least 4-5 months before u get full eclair for hero. and i recon if our devs work unitedly and gets some expert help from outside then its possible to get 2.6.29 kernel and other things in 1-1.5 month.

Lox_Dev said:
And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
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Given that HTC haven't shipped a Hero with a 2.6.29 kernel, they have no requirement to do so!
HOWEVER......
What about the Tattoo? That's Donut, so it will have a 2.6.29 kernel, and therefore HTC must provide the kernel source. I'll wager there is some significant similarity between the kernel modifications required for Hero and those required for the Tattoo.
Perhaps it is time for us to start badgering HTC for the Tattoo kernel source!
FWIW, I've been trying to build a 2.6.29 kernel using a diff patch for AOSP 2.6.27 vs Hero 2.6.27, but I seem to be thwarted at every turn.
Regards,
Dave

dying4004 said:
bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.

nadeemhasnaat said:
Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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bro i am not against all those companies. i mean then i cant use any mobile phone. i am just practical. just see how the nokia users r complaining about firmwares for their high end phones. how much craving is going within the 5800 users for kinetic scrolling. check how much impatience is going through the samsung omnia i8910 users for a single new rom. see how u guys did for the source code for hero. what i am saying is simple......... it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u. i cant force any1 to do anything. this is simply my personal experience with mobile phone manufacturers for last 7-8 years. cheers

Great post Lox_Dev and thank you for bring all the problems to our attention. It is heartbreaking to see such a great little phone be left to stew on the few HTC "released" roms out there. I dont confess to know that much about kernel building so I wont be much help there however I do believe we as a community can get there in the end! What I'm trying to say is dont give i
Lox_Dev
behnaam
adwinp
and of course Paul from MoDaCo who first started the ball rolling
we are all behind you guys!
I know its so different from cooking Windows rom (because I've tried myself) but I think in time anything can be done and please dont be put off by the lack of responses you get on this forum.
Now onto the positive .................... Once my internet connection at home gets sorted (VirginMedia to send me a replacement modem) I'll have another look at building a linux environment and jump aboard.

dying4004 said:
it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.

dying4004 said:
hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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(My emphasis!)
You should follow your own advice!
I asked a question:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
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And then said:
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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This is merely pointing out that if your *answer* to my question is "I don't know how to do it", you could always learn!
Nowhere do I say that you "dont know how to do and stuffs??".
And you still haven't answered the question!
Regards,
Dave

yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.

dying4004 said:
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
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I thought that was what you were doing?
I've never "shouted" at any one, or tried to push any one into doing something that is likely to be a waste of time due to the arrival of an HTC built 2.0 and which I personally *know* is extremely difficult.
How do I know?
Because I've tried it!!!!
Here's what I have done:
1. Built an Ubuntu development environment *expressly* for these purposes.
2. Downloaded the Hero kernel sources and the stock 2.6.27 sources.
3. Diff'd the two trees to see what needs patching
4. Downloaded the 2.6.29 kernel sources
5. Attemped to apply the patch from (3) to 2.6.29
6. Built the kernel
7. Put in on my phone, with the CleanION ROM.
8. Watched in awe as it just hung as the boot splash screen until I pulled the battery out.
Note that even getting the AOSP kernel source from the git repos proved to a hellishly time consuming task because the repos kept timing out and/or refusing connection!
Despite my efforts, I've not turned up *any* tangible results, which is why I've not bothered to mention them here. I'm at the point now where I don't know if I want to commit any further time and effort on what is essentially a fools errand. I'm not saying that my efforts were anything particularly "special", but certainly I can say with absolutely honesty that I've tried!
When Lox_Dev says "To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks", I know for a fact that this is true, so it is getting quite irritating to keep hearing people who "don't know" telling those of us who "do know" that we should all be getting together to make it work!
So, in absolutely no way am I "shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works", because I have already expended far more time and effort than most.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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Once again, I suggest that you take your own advice!
regards,
Dave

I'm all for working on porting AOSP Sapphire to the Hero, but some of us need a bit more guidance on getting their development/cooking environment set up. There's a shocking amount of information out there, and it makes breaking into the 'scene' a bit difficult.
Accelerometer should be the focus of our work (in my opinion) since without the keyboard, it's really hard to get some things done in the portrait mode. I'd love to focus on that, since the Google ION Rom with Donut makes me incredibly happy, with that exception.

okay, bros, just to contribute a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FLRqOuB798A
Seeing that, and imagining it's working 100% and running on our Hero's, really makes me hard.
We will get there. But yes, the path will be difficult. I also want to donate btw.
Anyway, HTC indeed doesn't give a F--- about our android OS. they will release 800*480 handsets in 1-3 months, and maybe won't even port the UI elements to our resolution/hero.
In a way, we are F---ed, we have a very old android handset, with not even half the capabilities of new ones like the droid or upcoming x10 or HTC handsets. And without the knowledge to port all of the new kernels (with parts missing, ie; the hero kernel supposedly had parts missing) they phone might even grow older every month. I a way I should be happy I payed 340 Euro instead of 480 or something..
So yeah, in a way I believe that the handset will be discontinued very shortly. The G1 has the community to back it up, people had it for more than a year and grew attached to it. The Hero does not have that luxury.
So while the hope lies in you, developers; aside from 'homebrew' i'm afraid the future is very bleak. HTC wants your money. They can target little girls tomorrow and kids who just want a 'cool' phone, and we will be left in the cold for children who get a new phone with the contract every year.
So power to the developers!

CDMA Hero Devs have a Working AOSP FroYo ROM - Port?

Can a dev port it over?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686893
We don't want to be behind the CDMA Hero...

now that would be great, but tbh we've been behind the CDMA hero for ages lol

Arrgh! At villainrom they're almost ready to release a 0.1 version of Froyo for GSM Hero! But...COME ON! They keep saying they can't get the mic working...When on CDMA EVERYTHING works except for GPS and Camera (the same problems we had with the first 2.1 cooked roms). I really hope they decided to release an ALL-WORKING version...Otherwise...I don't know what to think...

No Devs want to work together.
So they always can not get everything working at the sametime.

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Froyvillaino.1 we have been waiting for since just after robin ported n1 FR50...Prepare to wait a whil elonger i think!

I am working on a Cronos Froyo build also. Fully compiled from the 2.2 sources.

I, I, I...Guys I really don't want to shoot out advices...But it wouldn't be so bad if you all share your efforts to create a unique solution a.k.a. ROM! I really believe in the team-work!

Check that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704561&page=6#post6972487

Teamwork!
mardurhack said:
I, I, I...Guys I really don't want to shoot out advices...But it wouldn't be so bad if you all share your efforts to create a unique solution a.k.a. ROM! I really believe in the team-work!
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I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!

42turkeys said:
I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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I second that

can i install this cdma rom on my gsm hero, without breaking it and use it in the netherlands?

samm000 said:
can i install this cdma rom on my gsm hero, without breaking it and use it in the netherlands?
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The rom it links to is FOR CDMA HEROS.
Your Hero is A GSM HERO.
DO NOT FLASH IT!
Never flash a rom if it's not for your phone. Sorry to shout but this is the No. 2 cause of bricking (Behind impatient users during radio flash)

42turkeys said:
The rom it links to is FOR CDMA HEROS.
Your Hero is A GSM HERO.
DO NOT FLASH IT!
Never flash a rom if it's not for your phone. Sorry to shout but this is the No. 2 cause of bricking (Behind impatient users during radio flash)
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thnx a lot!!!
i'm happy you shout becouse i have be warned now

Here's hoping this will have the answer to getting the mic working...

42turkeys said:
I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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Teamwork means NO competition. Here its all about competition - who will be the 1st to release most stable, coolest, capable ROM on xda. Its like a gang wars.
edit: and I like it, have more ROMs to try

whitealien said:
Teamwork means NO competition. Here its all about competition - who will be the 1st to release most stable, coolest, capable ROM on xda. Its like a gang wars.
edit: and I like it, have more ROMs to try
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I like the competition, what I'm taking about is devs getting together to get froyo running, then splitting off to make their own roms.

I think the devs can better work alone and share their work so other devs can play with it and make things better. We're saying that a community rom is better, but we havent seen one? There are tons of official 2.1 roms here, who needs all those. A froyo rom is much more interesting and as you can see, the cdma guys are really far, and maybe you, devs, can port it. Good luck.

thing is - if nobody has gotten the mic working yet, then nobody will get it working if they sit together and try to figure it out.
I would think it's like that anyway.
I know that more minds working together are better than fewer. however the mic not working cant' be a simple problem if nobody has worked it out yet. I know that not all rom builders are actually programmers - many are just really comfortable with computers and with the linux os and so on. but still, with source code available, a programmer who's comfortable with that source code (and I acknowledge that I'm not - and I'm a middle aged senior software developer... but much of the android source I've glanced through so far is unreadable to me LoL...).. anyway, so if a programmer who's comfortable with that code could peruse it for a while they might well be able to solve the problem. But what I really expect is that it will take google releasing a working mic library for froyo for hero gsm piece of the puzzle somehow - maybe an internal google person building it for the community and releasing it anonymously, that has happened in the past I would guess.
so it could take time.
but maybe some genius with the android source like cyanogen will take the time and have the know how to solve the mystery. surely the hero is the #1 android phone still out there...
judging from the community here it seems really popular still.
and to think, I just got a hero a few months back (and one for my wife) because they were only $25 at future shop when we renewed our accounts and we wanted iphones but couldn't afford them LoL
if I'd known anything about android then I'd have been all over these babies without a second thought - instead I had to research and took a leap of faith that the future shop guy was steering us in the right direction (thank you future shop guy - or I mean, former future shop guy (he doesn't work there any more)!
cheers

will Android ever be complete?

Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.

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Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.
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I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel, I think most of the support we had will move towards getting Android on better, newer, and more capable devices like the HD2. In addition, most of the remaining problems with getting Android completely working are the ones that were very difficult to begin with. Things like initializing hardware correctly, and figuring out how to get the various parts of the device to talk to each other. I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).

it seemed at first that android for the touch pro would never work but now the only thing that doesnt work is the camera. maybe the touch pro 2 will get to that level some day. who knows.

So from what I gathered, the Tilt 2 won't be having any further development to work with Android? I also still have my Fuze. Is that development continuing? If so, maybe I will keep my Fuze instead of selling it and use it to test with Android?
By the way, what is the real name for the Tilt 2? Is it Rhodium or ?
Thanks guys, this place really ROXS!
I await your replies!
ITAdmin

I'm not sure what you mean by complete. New builds are released all the time, etc. If you mean all hardware functioning, here is the list from Reefer's thread:
NOT WORKING IN THIS BUILD:
BT
Sound (in call mic and earpiece work, no ringtones or music)
Camera
Opengles: using software rendering for the time being.
Battery Meter
For sound, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121743
One guy has made an NDISwrapper for Android...amazing.
For HW3D, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125379
Battery Meter is working very well. It's not accurate (seems like it's 10-15% off) but it shows low, which means you can get charged up in time with no problems. I also recall phhusson saying this WILL be 100% some day, it's just very tedious and time consuming, and everyone is more concerned with making things run better and on more hardware.
In other words, development is still very much active and some very smart people are working on these problems. I believe Mr. Steve Ballmer said it best here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4
If you're patient, more of the pieces will come together soon enough and Android for our device will be more complete (relatively speaking). For the record, I'm very content with the state of things. All development from here is just icing on the cake
Mods, if I'm not supposed to link to outside forums, just delete them and/or let me know. That's just where the more technical info is.

i thought sound was fixed already today there was a new build for rhodium?.

i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.

bas85 said:
i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.
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This is incorrect. Please leave the release posts to those doing the releasing.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel... ...I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).
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This is also incorrect. TP2 development is moving along faster now than it has been in a while. Not everyone wants a HD2 just beacuse it can boot android. Sure it has a fancy screen but no hardware keyboard, so i'm not even considering it as an option for a new device. Also, for future reference there are quite a few more than just one person working on this...

Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.

Hamsteriel said:
Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.
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ok, point taken. When will Android ever be fully functional on the Tilt 2 phone?

Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.

Hamsteriel said:
Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.
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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway

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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway
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Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
Code:
http://tinyurl.com/2c5dtps
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anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.

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anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.
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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.

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Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.

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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.
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you didn't have a clue mmh ? what where you thinking ? that those people are well paid for doing it, and because of that your in position to come here and whine ?
and it's nothing about wearing hearts on sleeves, since it's only repeating the obvious like breaking in open doors.
however, I have some question :
Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?

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Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?
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there's a bounty started for this, but i haven't been following it, i don't know how up to date it is. i'd link to it, but i'm not allowed to post links yet...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370

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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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I bought my HD2 as soon as it came out but I still want android on the tp2. I know its frustrating waiting for what seems forever. If you really cant wait go get a better more capable phone. The hd2 is great multipurpose device.
<3 my wing/tp2/hd2

Anomoly said:
You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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like what? it has to work on atts network.

android woes on touch pro 2,which android to use?

i used to have a htc vogue (aka htc touch vx 6900 US Cellular) that would run android eclair but slowly. i was due for an upgrade and picked up the more powerful touch pro 2 specifically to run android smoother. i love the dual boot between a nice custom win mo rom and android,however, ive noticed there isnt nearly as many diffrent android developers trying to port or whatever the term is to get it to work on the touch pro 2 like there is with win mobile roms. project android froyo ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff but even on a overclock runs like crap,lagging and not running certain apps. the klinux eclair 2.1 sense UI is great but locks up,lags,no sounds and has no internet. neopeek's eclair runs the best out of them all,super fast and responsive but no internet,no live wall paper and no sounds.
can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project or update that can bring me as close to a functioning android OS that will work. eclair looks promising on speed,but there is to much that is still broke on it. thx

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can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project
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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.

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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.
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when i said "actual" i ment one that works, im not trying to criticize any of the developers here or not be appreciative. im just looking to have android run as smooth as everyone else does on their tp2.

TP2 Development
I am experiencing the same situation as you, but understand the TP2 is still under heavy development. Now that sound is working I would imagine stability and other features will be addressed in the next few weeks. If you want a phone that will work perfectly with Android switch to the HTC Desire that US Cellular just put out a few weeks back, it ships with Android. You can buy yourself out of the contract pro-rated for the time you have left. You cannot expect a phone that ships with Windows Mobile to run Android flawlessly. If you want to increase progress you can download the development tools and help, or you can post a bounty for items you would like addressed. You could also download the 6/20 version of MightyROM and enjoy a stable WM6.5 build. Good luck!

They all work, just to varying degrees.
([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff
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That's probably the best build right there. If you were expecting Android to run flawlessly on your fancy new phone, you are very, very mistaken.
If you want Android to run like it does on Android-specific devices... then you probably should've bought an Android device.

yea, i know its still under dev, but its like i have to choose between lag on froyo builds but almost everything works,or eclair builds that run as smooth as silk but miss out on my data connection,gps,ect ect.
ive just spent so much time into studying everything into android development and installation/updates ect ect and i still haven't even scratched the surface and it becomes frustrating after a full month of installing and deleting and back and forth testing,trust me, i know we all do the same here,but my eyes are burning from reading so many forums/topics/guides and i figure ill just ask if anyone has got a few of the bugs i have mentioned out of the way.
i can appreciate that somethings dont work cause thats just the way it is,but the kicker here is that the froyo build has almost everything working correctly, not to go back right not and look at the topic,but the only thing thats not working is camera,battery and bluetooth i think? and no big deal i dont need it anyways right now, but why cant i get an eclair build in the same working order?
i just would of thought that what could be applied to froyo could just as easily been applied to eclair.
im on neopeek v1.1 eclair right now,im going to see if i can get my data connection for US cell to work with a few tweaks,but ill miss the live wallpapers and gps.

C'est la vie buddy.

lol,now after applying a fix for US cell's data network gps works but no data
rofl,this stuff is killing me! lol

outlawbiker said:
when i said "actual" i ment one that works
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This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.

redpoint73 said:
This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.
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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.

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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.
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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...

arrrghhh said:
You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...
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um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?

how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
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I'm not sure what to tell you. I doubt my phone works any better than yours or anyone elses - it's FAR from perfect, as you've found and evidently have accepted.
So wait and be patient for new developments with the project - it's always gotten better & better.
With that said, I can only assume eclair development stopped because I know I'd prefer to run froyo over eclair... You can try throwing a new zImage/modules/rootfs at an eclair build, but no guranatees there.

Did you ever think it could be your SD card? Have you tried switching them out? Have you done a FULL (not quick) format to FAT32?
Froyo runs WAY faster than Eclair EVER did on my handset. There is no doubt about the difference, and thats why development shifted away from a dying and outdated version.

outlawbiker said:
um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?
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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.

ambegojapes said:
the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else.
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What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.

manekineko said:
What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.

this is actually my 10th or more install of prj android froyo and this time for some weird reason it is faster.
yes i did format the sd card the long way, i used gparted live cd as well because i had to set it up for neopeek in 2 partitions . i have two sd cards at 2 and 4 gigs (i swap between) that i just decided to keep a 512mb partition in ext2 for projects like neopeek on both of them.
regardless this time around is giving me a faster experience on froyo, and i didnt edit change anything,just the common install with a soft restart as usual.i am using the blazn overclock i believe it is 716 or 768 mhz.
and of coarse i will keep you posted on any changes or fixes i find.

ambegojapes said:
the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.
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what is it with you people, didn't mommy and daddy love you enough as a child and teach you if you dont have anything good to say then dont say it all. who is belittling developers? i didnt come in here saying i think some one from this project or that is retarded,as a matter of fact i am grateful for the work these people have done and your trying to belittle me. im explaining what issues im having between different projects and jerks like you are trying to make me look like the bad guy.so comon down from your high horse and actually read what im talking about instead of jumping of the handle and making your self look like a complete jackass. yet once again, you miss the point. if i wanted an android phone i would of got one from the beginning ,i got a tp2 obviously to play around with android,see what it can do,what i can do to it and other reasons. ive got a few dev tools to create software for android i would like to use, so im asking questions, and if you sat a computer for as long as i have researching this with 30 or more tabs open trying to take notes from other threads,you'd be sick of reading all this other crap and post your own experiences/questions too.
and im a little well wiser than to keep stroking your ego,because people like you starve for the attention,otherwise you wouldnt jump into this thread to post your snotty ass comments.so if you wanna keep talking crap instead of offering something insightful to say,go ahead,cause im done dealing with **** heads like you.

Well another thread where you all jump on someone and make him look like an asshole for asking questions. How can you help people when you treat them like ****? I've been working with Linux and Android for a while now and I bet half of you write code that looks like a kid scribbling on the back of a McDonald´s napkin. I tell you what.. Treat people better and you just might have more people to aid in the projects and to the functionally quality. I have been messing with Linux and the open source development scene for years and this is a joke. Like a bunch of kids with computers and a power trip but on the same token you all write code like old people ****

[Q] I rooted my G2. . . now what?

Well, it's officially been two months since I got my G2. What else is there left for me to do?
- I've already got SIM Unlock, superCID, and radio S-OFF.
- I've already got CM7 Nightly 92 w/ Pershoot's latest Gingerbread kernel.
- I've already got backups of Virtuous, Virtuous G-Lite, and CM7.
- I've already installed Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and set up lxde.
- I've already overclocked and underclocked my CPU.
What else is there left for me to do? Can I dual-boot between different mobile operating system platforms (i.e. Symbian^3/Maemo 5, Windows Mobile, HP webOS/Palm OS, etc.)? Can I do ANYTHING else other than flash a ROM/Kernel and overclock? Or is this it?

You have done pretty much everything there is to. The next step is start cooking up your own stuff. I'm guessing you all ready have adb working. You can download apk manager http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695701 and start doing some themeing of your own or port some themes for your favourite roms.
And if your feeling really adventurous have a go at building your own roms, there is a really easy to use rom kitchen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
If your computer is up to it you could try building cm from source have a look at the cm wiki http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Building_from_source
I don't think there is anyway to use any of the other OS's you metioned. But some one is working on a project to dual boot android roms, the concept is awesome it would be cool to dual boot between sense and CM, have a look here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847423 this is a WIP though
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cjward23 said:
You have done pretty much everything there is to. The next step is start cooking up your own stuff. I'm guessing you all ready have adb working. You can download apk manager http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695701 and start doing some themeing of your own or port some themes for your favourite roms.
And if your feeling really adventurous have a go at building your own roms, there is a really easy to use rom kitchen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
If your computer is up to it you could try building cm from source have a look at the cm wiki http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Building_from_source
I don't think there is anyway to use any of the other OS's you metioned. But some one is working on a project to dual boot android roms, the concept is awesome it would be cool to dual boot between sense and CM, have a look here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847423 this is a WIP though
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You serious?
This is all I can do?
****!!!!! I should've gone with an HD2.
I'm already cooking up a custom ROM.
punjabiM0D? It's in my signature.
You gotta be kidding me. So you're telling me there's no way I can get Maemo/Symbian^3/webOS on my phone as a dual-boot? Is there at least a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR? I'm sick and tired of HTC Sense.

On the xda app so can't see your Sig. Siulmagic did do a droid x port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051229 so you can give motoblur a try.
The HD2 is the xda king everything seems to work on it. Our lowly G2/DZ are not in the same leauge.
It may be possible to port some of the OS's you mentioned but i dont believe anyone is curently work on them. But i would love to be proved wrong.
How is your custom rom coming? If you need anyone to test I'm all ways happy to help. I have a really quiet job which provides me with a lot of spare time and a decent internet connection.
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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.

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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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It sounds make sense to me
I just wonder my old Blackstone can't run android while it has winmo?
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silverwind said:
I just wonder my old Blackstone can't run android while it has winmo?
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Not too familiar with the Blackstone, but probably just a matter of developer interest. The Blackstone seems to have pretty similar specs to my old Touch Pro 2 (in terms of CPU and memory), and the TP2 does run Android. Although the TP2 Android project was pretty slow and laggy when I last played with it in December or so (but it looks like a lot more work has been done on the project).

redpoint73 said:
Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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This is a bunch of ****!
I traded in my iPhone 4 for a G2, and I've already reached the end of the damn world in less than two months? Bull-****!!!!!!!
So not even another Linux-based operating system like Symbian^3, Maemo, or webOS can be installed on my G2?

Its a phone, and its designed to be used with its native OS. Not for loading other OSes willy-nilly, for your enjoyment.
Even if you could load other OSes onto it, so what? Would that radically change your smartphone experience, and what you do with you phone day to day? Not really.

redpoint73 said:
Its a phone, and its designed to be used with its native OS. Not for loading other OSes willy-nilly, for your enjoyment.
Even if you could load other OSes onto it, so what? Would that radically change your smartphone experience, and what you do with you phone day to day? Not really.
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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?

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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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Well for starters you could settle down and control your compulsiveness to jack with your phone. Android is probably the best OS out there, no reason to port to an inferior one. You are the first I have heard that has wanted a port to all these other variances. Most others are happy with the Android OS and like the custom ROMs and ways we can customize our devices already.
My advice to you... find a well paying job, squander all your money with buying yourself a brand new phone every month or two without contract. Maybe port all this other crap yourself. You seem to complain a lot, so intead of doing that, make your own ports and ROMs. That oughta make you happy

you could download eclips and the android sdk start making your own apps
you could try and port touchWiz or motoBlur to your phone your self
i beleave there is a port for MeeGo for our phone but is is far to slow to do any thing on
EDIT: and by the way your coming over a a bit of a **** when people are trying to help you

teh5abiking said:
Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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I don't really know what you are expecting, its a phone. how much more could you want it do to? compare it a iPhone, then you would be limited. If your desperate for a Touchwiz or Motoblur Rom, port it your self. The reason why these ROM's haven't been done is because there not rated very highly particularly Motoblur.
You have a great phone with good dev support. appreciate it .

slapshot30 said:
Well for starters you could settle down and control your compulsiveness to jack with your phone. Android is probably the best OS out there, no reason to port to an inferior one. You are the first I have heard that has wanted a port to all these other variances. Most others are happy with the Android OS and like the custom ROMs and ways we can customize our devices already.
My advice to you... find a well paying job, squander all your money with buying yourself a brand new phone every month or two without contract. Maybe port all this other crap yourself. You seem to complain a lot, so intead of doing that, make your own ports and ROMs. That oughta make you happy
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I'm not THAT impulsive.
I took my meds. (ADHD can do that to a kid)
I just feel trapped inside Google, Android, and HTC.
If Android really is as open-source as Google claims it to be, why do I feel so restricted?

cjward23 said:
I don't really know what you are expecting, its a phone. how much more could you want it do to? compare it a iPhone, then you would be limited. If your desperate for a Touchwiz or Motoblur Rom, port it your self. The reason why these ROM's haven't been done is because there not rated very highly particularly Motoblur.
You have a great phone with good dev support. appreciate it .
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I'm grateful for that much.
I just wanna figure out what else there is to do. Ironically, I feel restricted in an open-source operating system.

teh5abiking said:
I'm grateful for that much.
I just wanna figure out what else there is to do. Ironically, I feel restricted in an open-source operating system.
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dude, what else do you want to do? I guess that's a good question to ask. There are literary tons of stuff to do with your phone. There are numerous ports with this phone you can try. You wanna play dual core games like samuarai vengeance 2 eventhough you don't have dual core? Go right ahead with chainfire3d. You can theme your phone how ever you want with icons, colors, ANYTHING. What other operating system allows you to do this? How would you be better off with ANY other OS? You can easily flash themes and such to make it looks like touchwiz, or motoblur. you can even make it look like honeycomb for goodness sake. Fool around with the UOT kitchen and cook up some fancy looking themes are icons.
I suggest you do a little searching around on xda, OTHER than the G2 thread because there are tons of stuff that apply to alot of phones that aren't just found in that device's forum. Its dumb for you to judge the one OS that actually ALLOWS you to do whatever you want to it.
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You could take a screw driver to your phone.. open it into pieces.. I don't think it would be so restricted anymore.

teh5abiking said:
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do?
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Giving my opinion does not make me a know-it-all, and nothing I said implies that I think I know more than you. You're going to come in here throwing around foul language and calling people names, and still expect people to give you ideas?
You seem fixated on just loaded different OSes, and just don't want to accept the answers people are giving you. People have already gave tons of suggestions. But you aren't interested in listening.
MotoBlur and TouchWiz are trash, anyway. Not much more than cosmetic changes to the launcher, and other general theming. You can easily mess around with those things yourself, as several others have already suggested.

redpoint73 said:
Giving my opinion does not make me a know-it-all, and nothing I said implies that I think I know more than you. You're going to come in here throwing around foul language and calling people names, and still expect people to give you ideas?
You seem fixated on just loaded different OSes, and just don't want to accept the answers people are giving you. People have already gave tons of suggestions. But you aren't interested in listening.
MotoBlur and TouchWiz are trash, anyway. Not much more than cosmetic changes to the launcher, and other general theming. You can easily mess around with those things yourself, as several others have already suggested.
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Already working on a port for them -_-
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