Hi Cookers and Devs,
We face a set of problems with Hero custom roms. The fact is that nobody has been able to port another device's rom, even a cupcake rom. We always face the same main problems: no bluetooth, no trackball, no camera, no accelerometer and, most of the time, no GPS. We all tried lots of cooking (changed many files, libs etc...) with no success.
That is why we thought we were missing kernel sources. Now we have them, we have noticed that the customization of stock android-msm sources by HTC is huge compared to, for example, the small kernel patch for sapphire 32a devices. To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks. But, the fact that we face the same problems for porting cupcake and donut roms make me think that the kernel version is NOT the problem.
My thought is that HTC's android customization may be huge too... (android framework may have been modified) But because of android's apache license they don't have to release sources. It is a hard and long work to guess all those changes...
Concerning rom cooking, Sapphire/Dream Cookers faced the same problems porting Hero roms to there devices for a long time. Drizzy has got bluetooth fixed no so long ago.... I am sure they have the knowledge we miss. But we then face an other problem, most of those Cookers think Hero is ****,or don't want to know anything about non google branded devices, or, coming from WinMo world, have lots of difficulties sharing their knowledge...
I suggest that we, all Hero rom cookers and devs, try to port Sapphire AOSP Cupcake to Hero. Why cupcake? Because we can be sure kernel version 2.6.27 is ok with it. I am pretty sure that, once done, we will be able to port other roms.
The progress of that work would go to this thread.
What you (devs and cookers) think ?
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
adwinp said:
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
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Was it cupcake? Did bluetooth, accelerometer, Gps worked? Any link to it?
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The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
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Well, sure it is harder, but we face about the same as porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.27 kernel. That is what makes me think kernel version may not be the solution for most of the problems we face.
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My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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Yes it worth the time. Creating a 2.6.29 branch on github easy, applying patch isn't: many rejects. And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks
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regarding that issue, maybe we could setup some kind of donation and give the donation as a "reward" to the "expert" dev who first can provide a working kernel...?
i know its a long shot...
and it all depends on how willing the HERO community is willing to donate...
nice going guys. i was really getting tired to see no remarkable development in hero and was planning to get an additional dream just for playing. and i was really dissappointed seeing hero cookers not giving much **** about roms and releasing nice stuffs.
now i understand what the barricades are. and yeah its true that dream and sapphire cookers really dont give **** about hero. i am creating a theme of my own and wanted to have a transparent top taskbar and top clock color black and i asked several time sin dream and sapphire threads but dint get a SINGLE reply.
however, its really true that HTC wont be giving us 2.6.29 any time soon rather will make it as longer as possible. so it would be best to try ourselves to make it ourselves. and as its really a troublesome work it wud be really great if u guys cud have worked together to get it quickly.
and as we all know none of u live on cooking roms i wud really to contribute in the donation thing as much i can. a $20 donation doesnt really hurt much to get my $700 phone going.
last but not the least... request to other fellow hero users....... please help ourselves by rising a fund of donation for our cookers so that they get enough encouragement for cooking hero roms.
regards
have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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bro i completely understand what u wanna say as the money we want to donate has to be earned by hard work by us. but u be sure that it will be at least 4-5 months before u get full eclair for hero. and i recon if our devs work unitedly and gets some expert help from outside then its possible to get 2.6.29 kernel and other things in 1-1.5 month.
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And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
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Given that HTC haven't shipped a Hero with a 2.6.29 kernel, they have no requirement to do so!
HOWEVER......
What about the Tattoo? That's Donut, so it will have a 2.6.29 kernel, and therefore HTC must provide the kernel source. I'll wager there is some significant similarity between the kernel modifications required for Hero and those required for the Tattoo.
Perhaps it is time for us to start badgering HTC for the Tattoo kernel source!
FWIW, I've been trying to build a 2.6.29 kernel using a diff patch for AOSP 2.6.27 vs Hero 2.6.27, but I seem to be thwarted at every turn.
Regards,
Dave
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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bro i am not against all those companies. i mean then i cant use any mobile phone. i am just practical. just see how the nokia users r complaining about firmwares for their high end phones. how much craving is going within the 5800 users for kinetic scrolling. check how much impatience is going through the samsung omnia i8910 users for a single new rom. see how u guys did for the source code for hero. what i am saying is simple......... it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u. i cant force any1 to do anything. this is simply my personal experience with mobile phone manufacturers for last 7-8 years. cheers
Great post Lox_Dev and thank you for bring all the problems to our attention. It is heartbreaking to see such a great little phone be left to stew on the few HTC "released" roms out there. I dont confess to know that much about kernel building so I wont be much help there however I do believe we as a community can get there in the end! What I'm trying to say is dont give i
Lox_Dev
behnaam
adwinp
and of course Paul from MoDaCo who first started the ball rolling
we are all behind you guys!
I know its so different from cooking Windows rom (because I've tried myself) but I think in time anything can be done and please dont be put off by the lack of responses you get on this forum.
Now onto the positive .................... Once my internet connection at home gets sorted (VirginMedia to send me a replacement modem) I'll have another look at building a linux environment and jump aboard.
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it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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(My emphasis!)
You should follow your own advice!
I asked a question:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
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And then said:
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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This is merely pointing out that if your *answer* to my question is "I don't know how to do it", you could always learn!
Nowhere do I say that you "dont know how to do and stuffs??".
And you still haven't answered the question!
Regards,
Dave
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
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I thought that was what you were doing?
I've never "shouted" at any one, or tried to push any one into doing something that is likely to be a waste of time due to the arrival of an HTC built 2.0 and which I personally *know* is extremely difficult.
How do I know?
Because I've tried it!!!!
Here's what I have done:
1. Built an Ubuntu development environment *expressly* for these purposes.
2. Downloaded the Hero kernel sources and the stock 2.6.27 sources.
3. Diff'd the two trees to see what needs patching
4. Downloaded the 2.6.29 kernel sources
5. Attemped to apply the patch from (3) to 2.6.29
6. Built the kernel
7. Put in on my phone, with the CleanION ROM.
8. Watched in awe as it just hung as the boot splash screen until I pulled the battery out.
Note that even getting the AOSP kernel source from the git repos proved to a hellishly time consuming task because the repos kept timing out and/or refusing connection!
Despite my efforts, I've not turned up *any* tangible results, which is why I've not bothered to mention them here. I'm at the point now where I don't know if I want to commit any further time and effort on what is essentially a fools errand. I'm not saying that my efforts were anything particularly "special", but certainly I can say with absolutely honesty that I've tried!
When Lox_Dev says "To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks", I know for a fact that this is true, so it is getting quite irritating to keep hearing people who "don't know" telling those of us who "do know" that we should all be getting together to make it work!
So, in absolutely no way am I "shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works", because I have already expended far more time and effort than most.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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Once again, I suggest that you take your own advice!
regards,
Dave
I'm all for working on porting AOSP Sapphire to the Hero, but some of us need a bit more guidance on getting their development/cooking environment set up. There's a shocking amount of information out there, and it makes breaking into the 'scene' a bit difficult.
Accelerometer should be the focus of our work (in my opinion) since without the keyboard, it's really hard to get some things done in the portrait mode. I'd love to focus on that, since the Google ION Rom with Donut makes me incredibly happy, with that exception.
okay, bros, just to contribute a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FLRqOuB798A
Seeing that, and imagining it's working 100% and running on our Hero's, really makes me hard.
We will get there. But yes, the path will be difficult. I also want to donate btw.
Anyway, HTC indeed doesn't give a F--- about our android OS. they will release 800*480 handsets in 1-3 months, and maybe won't even port the UI elements to our resolution/hero.
In a way, we are F---ed, we have a very old android handset, with not even half the capabilities of new ones like the droid or upcoming x10 or HTC handsets. And without the knowledge to port all of the new kernels (with parts missing, ie; the hero kernel supposedly had parts missing) they phone might even grow older every month. I a way I should be happy I payed 340 Euro instead of 480 or something..
So yeah, in a way I believe that the handset will be discontinued very shortly. The G1 has the community to back it up, people had it for more than a year and grew attached to it. The Hero does not have that luxury.
So while the hope lies in you, developers; aside from 'homebrew' i'm afraid the future is very bleak. HTC wants your money. They can target little girls tomorrow and kids who just want a 'cool' phone, and we will be left in the cold for children who get a new phone with the contract every year.
So power to the developers!
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HI there I am sure there is a lot of people who want this Rom. We have the kernal now someone must be able to do it.
You perhaps?
Seriously though, I started looking into building the 2.69.29 kernel, and got as far as setting up a development environment and building the 2.69.27 kernel from source.
However, Google then announced Android 2.0, and HTC announced that the Hero would be getting it, so I rather lost interest in spending a load of time on something which will likely become obsolete in a few weeks. I'm sure that's the case for many people here who were thinking about dipping their toes in.
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Dave
Yes but remember if you learn how to compile kernels and all that fun stuff then you can help bring the latetst and greatest to the phone after 2.0. Thats what Im trying to do. I have a CDMA Hero so I'm trying to help build the dev community there.
chuckhriczko said:
Yes but remember if you learn how to compile kernels and all that fun stuff then you can help bring the latetst and greatest to the phone after 2.0. Thats what Im trying to do. I have a CDMA Hero so I'm trying to help build the dev community there.
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I know how to build kernels - it's the balls-aching work of adding the HTC changes to 2.69.29 that doesn't interest me because I can tell you for certain, it won't be fun! Given that 2.0 is just around the corner (hopefully!), I personally don't see much benefit at this stage.
Regards,
Dave
E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
I mean like F*CK reiserFS and ext5 kernel support. WTF will that give us?
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING. If I had a G1, which is 150 euros cheaper, I would be running 1.6 WITH the Sense UI, should I ever want that. With full WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS, camera, trackball, sensor, everything.
Now I am stuck with an ugly ass branded Hero.
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Just have patience. As I have stated I came from the Dream forums. Quite honestly, I would still have my Dream if I didnt have to switch to Sprint but I did and now have the Hero. Thing is, we are rolling along pretty well. We just need patience. It took a long time to get more devs working on the Dream. At first we just had JesusFreke for the longest time but then we got Haykuro who was an amazing dev. Then Cyanogen came along and so did the others. I am working hard trying to learn this stuff as I am sure a lot of us are. Just be patient. The Hero will get it's due.
E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
I mean like F*CK reiserFS and ext5 kernel support. WTF will that give us?
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING. If I had a G1, which is 150 euros cheaper, I would be running 1.6 WITH the Sense UI, should I ever want that. With full WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS, camera, trackball, sensor, everything.
Now I am stuck with an ugly ass branded Hero.
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Wow, I have no words at all. I would be flaming this guys post if I wasnt this tired..
Foxmeister is right. Seriously, with the rapid changes in play, with HTC announcing they will be bringing Android 2.0 to the Hero soon, it makes little sense to invest time right now tweaking a kernel build that will be obsoleted. Hopefully HTC will give us an Android 2.0 build for Xmas. Then, we will start doing some serious playing with the kernel.
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The situation now is like this:
(Linux analogy.)
-How is your linux install going?
"Well, I am just finishing patching my kernel, because I don't need SSE4 instructions you know, plus I want to add-in reiserFS support, you never know when that will come in handy "
-Cool, so you got everything working?
"Err, no. They headphone jack does not work, also the trackpad of my laptop does not work. I can't connect to my wifi router, hmm, what else?
Oh yeah, bluetooth does not seem to work, but who uses that anyway "
-...yeah, indeed, who uses wifi, or the trackpad right? I believe that you are skilled enough, that if you devoted your reiserFS and sse4 time to making the basic things work, you would have it running in no time!
"stfu noob! who are you to tell me which features I use or don't use??"
Yeah, it ends in tears of course
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And did u do anything to change this situation but naging?
Seriuosly dude, you are not contributing anything at all to this community right now. And you are naging about others work?
And people have real lifes outside of xda development...
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And did u do anything to change this situation but naging?
Seriuosly dude, you are not contributing anything at all to this community right now. And you are naging about others work?
And people have real lifes outside of xda development...
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I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
Nobody is listening, and all the devs 'we have' (I mean people who develop Hero firmwares) are all working seperate on having their own modded, or not modded, ext3 or ext4 support, 1.5 or 1.6 kernels.
I know that I may sound like a noob, but I believe I have a point.
My contribution is insight. The insight that people who work separate lack; the knowledge that if all you hero Devs would work together, nothing could stop you.
You would be uploading videos of Google navigation on Hero even before the G1 had it. I believe in your combined skills, I really do.
I would have sold my Hero after 4 days if I did not believe
E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
SNIP>>>
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Hahah hilarious, you're a credit to this forum, and to the unluckly humans that bore you.
Seriously, have you got nothing better to complain about? If you don't like Sense UI, then go and buy the Magic or the Samsung Galaxy, at least we wouldn't have to listen to your whinging here...
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I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
Nobody is listening, and all the devs 'we have' (I mean people who develop Hero firmwares) are all working seperate on having their own modded, or not modded, ext3 or ext4 support, 1.5 or 1.6 kernels.
I know that I may sound like a noob, but I believe I have a point.
My contribution is insight. The insight that people who work separate lack; the knowledge that if all you hero Devs would work together, nothing could stop you.
You would be uploading videos of Google navigation on Hero even before the G1 had it. I believe in your combined skills, I really do.
I would have sold my Hero after 4 days if I did not believe
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Your contribution isn't insight, it's just an attempt to reduce the phone to the same Android device that everyone else has, instead of making improvements/optimisations to better the way the standard device works with kernel improvements, speed increases and new features.
Why don't you help with the ION/Cupcake development effort anyway (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578162)???
E2K said:
I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
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Oh I see - so just because you want this, you think someone else should spend *their* time and effort to achieve *your* goals. That is no contribution.
According to this poll, it is currently over 7 to 1 in favour of Sense UI (subject to change of course! ), but because *you* don't like it you think that devs shouldn't worry about Sense UI and look at vanilla Android!
As I've already stated, IMHO working on a 2.69.29 kernel is a pointless waste of time right now, as we can expect HTC to drop a fully functional Android 2.0 *with* Sense UI in the near future. Once we have that, the kernel ripped out and dumped into a vanilla Android build, but this will only be done by some who knows how to do it, and crucially wants to!
Here's a tip - if you don't like it, go and build a new version yourself. There's nothing stopping you!
Regards,
Dave
kwiksand said:
Why don't you help with the ION/Cupcake development effort anyway (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578162)???
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What is there to help?
post things like:
"Oh I'm so sad that your computer broke down D': !!!"
"wow I hoppe you really get the accelerometer working!!"
Come on now.
Nobody is making progress by posting in that thread. I read every single page so I know. The only progress is done by the poor developer, poor because people will forget about him as soon as a better one stands up; or when HTC releases 2.0
I wanted to cherish that developer because I believe he is skilled enough to replace the HTC apps one day, and bring to us the closest to vanilla android as is possible without having actual vanilla android (which would not have proper wifi, BT, accelerometer, headphone support, etc etc etc anyway)
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Oh I see - so just because you want this, you think someone else should spend *their* time and effort to achieve *your* goals. That is no contribution.
According to this poll, it is currently over 7 to 1 in favour of Sense UI (subject to change of course! ), but because *you* don't like it you think that devs shouldn't worry about Sense UI and look at vanilla Android!
As I've already stated, IMHO working on a 2.69.29 kernel is a pointless waste of time right now, as we can expect HTC to drop a fully functional Android 2.0 *with* Sense UI in the near future. Once we have that, the kernel ripped out and dumped into a vanilla Android build, but this will only be done by some who knows how to do it, and crucially wants to!
Here's a tip - if you don't like it, go and build a new version yourself. There's nothing stopping you!
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Dave
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Everyone who is working on 2.69.29 in a way is pointless, because it is too hard for them to ever get a fully functional android anyway.
They know this themselves.
Their biggest achievement would be to get even half the stuff working, we are not talking about a fully functional rom here!
I did my part in mailing, calling and twittering HTC to release the source, so that the Devs could do what they do best better; develop.
I am a poor med student, I don't have money to throw around on another android phone, I need to buy books and ****.
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I did my part in mailing, calling and twittering HTC to release the source, so that the Devs could do what they do best better; develop.
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I wanted to cherish that developer because I believe he is skilled enough to replace the HTC apps one day
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It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING
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Yeh - you're really helpful - when it comes to bad mouthing people, because you can't get what you want and aren't skilled enough to do it yourself. Great job at "cherishing" benhaam, I can see he's really impressed by your attitude.
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I am a poor med student, I don't have money to throw around on another android phone, I need to buy books and ****.
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Here's a suggestion, if you stop talking it, you could just concentrate on buying the books!
Once again, you've missed the crucial point, and that is that no one around here wants to piss around with Donut etc, when Eclair for the Hero is just around the corner.
If you want a vanilla Android device, sell your Hero and buy a 32A Magic. I'm sure you'd find someone in the Sapphire forums willing to trade!
Dave
Hi Dave,
I appreciate that you give your opinion!
I understand that 2.0 is around the corner, and that because of that, nobody wants to invest in 'old' roms, which is understandable.
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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Seriously, have you got nothing better to complain about? If you don't like Sense UI, then go and buy the Magic or the Samsung Galaxy, at least we wouldn't have to listen to your whinging here...
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Sense UI is useless and poorly coded. I bought the Hero because I was convinced that I can actually disable this. I like the form-factor of the Hero - thats why I bought it. Not this useless eye-candy.
If a stable release of a vanilla android 2.0 comes out for the Hero I would jump on it right away and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.
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including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
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My contribution is insight.
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i will write that down.
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Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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still, the only problem we have is that you and three others are the only four people in the world that want to have a vanilla android over htc sense...
so devs team up and the world... erh no the mighty group of four shall be yours forever... until eclair is released.
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Sense UI is useless and poorly coded. I bought the Hero because I was convinced that I can actually disable this. I like the form-factor of the Hero - thats why I bought it. Not this useless eye-candy.
If a stable release of a vanilla android 2.0 comes out for the Hero I would jump on it right away and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.
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Same here!
The build quality and the form-factor were my reasons for getting the hero, I really wanted an android phone (without keyboard) and this one had the best processor (7200A instead of 7201) and most memory.
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Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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It's not a worthwhile investment IMHO.
Once 2.0 drops for the Hero, you'd be able to build a vanilla 2.0 from the Eclair AOSP because you'll have the correct kernel (2.69.31 I think) with all the HTC driver specific parts. You could do the same today for 1.5 (Cupcake) because we already have the correct kernel for this.
The issue with doing this for Donut is that there's quite a lot of work porting the HTC kernel changes from 2.69.27 to 2.69.29, and this will *all* be rendered redundant when 2.0 drops.
As an aside, there is no reason at all to expect that HTC won't include Google Maps Navigation in their 2.0 build for Hero, but even if they don't getting it working should be relatively trivial. Getting it working on Cupcake though, which is two generations of OS behind, would be much, much harder and again wasted effort once 2.0 is finally available.
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Can a dev port it over?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686893
We don't want to be behind the CDMA Hero...
now that would be great, but tbh we've been behind the CDMA hero for ages lol
Arrgh! At villainrom they're almost ready to release a 0.1 version of Froyo for GSM Hero! But...COME ON! They keep saying they can't get the mic working...When on CDMA EVERYTHING works except for GPS and Camera (the same problems we had with the first 2.1 cooked roms). I really hope they decided to release an ALL-WORKING version...Otherwise...I don't know what to think...
No Devs want to work together.
So they always can not get everything working at the sametime.
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Froyvillaino.1 we have been waiting for since just after robin ported n1 FR50...Prepare to wait a whil elonger i think!
I am working on a Cronos Froyo build also. Fully compiled from the 2.2 sources.
I, I, I...Guys I really don't want to shoot out advices...But it wouldn't be so bad if you all share your efforts to create a unique solution a.k.a. ROM! I really believe in the team-work!
Check that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704561&page=6#post6972487
Teamwork!
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I, I, I...Guys I really don't want to shoot out advices...But it wouldn't be so bad if you all share your efforts to create a unique solution a.k.a. ROM! I really believe in the team-work!
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I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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I second that
can i install this cdma rom on my gsm hero, without breaking it and use it in the netherlands?
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can i install this cdma rom on my gsm hero, without breaking it and use it in the netherlands?
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The rom it links to is FOR CDMA HEROS.
Your Hero is A GSM HERO.
DO NOT FLASH IT!
Never flash a rom if it's not for your phone. Sorry to shout but this is the No. 2 cause of bricking (Behind impatient users during radio flash)
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The rom it links to is FOR CDMA HEROS.
Your Hero is A GSM HERO.
DO NOT FLASH IT!
Never flash a rom if it's not for your phone. Sorry to shout but this is the No. 2 cause of bricking (Behind impatient users during radio flash)
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thnx a lot!!!
i'm happy you shout becouse i have be warned now
Here's hoping this will have the answer to getting the mic working...
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I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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Teamwork means NO competition. Here its all about competition - who will be the 1st to release most stable, coolest, capable ROM on xda. Its like a gang wars.
edit: and I like it, have more ROMs to try
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Teamwork means NO competition. Here its all about competition - who will be the 1st to release most stable, coolest, capable ROM on xda. Its like a gang wars.
edit: and I like it, have more ROMs to try
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I like the competition, what I'm taking about is devs getting together to get froyo running, then splitting off to make their own roms.
I think the devs can better work alone and share their work so other devs can play with it and make things better. We're saying that a community rom is better, but we havent seen one? There are tons of official 2.1 roms here, who needs all those. A froyo rom is much more interesting and as you can see, the cdma guys are really far, and maybe you, devs, can port it. Good luck.
thing is - if nobody has gotten the mic working yet, then nobody will get it working if they sit together and try to figure it out.
I would think it's like that anyway.
I know that more minds working together are better than fewer. however the mic not working cant' be a simple problem if nobody has worked it out yet. I know that not all rom builders are actually programmers - many are just really comfortable with computers and with the linux os and so on. but still, with source code available, a programmer who's comfortable with that source code (and I acknowledge that I'm not - and I'm a middle aged senior software developer... but much of the android source I've glanced through so far is unreadable to me LoL...).. anyway, so if a programmer who's comfortable with that code could peruse it for a while they might well be able to solve the problem. But what I really expect is that it will take google releasing a working mic library for froyo for hero gsm piece of the puzzle somehow - maybe an internal google person building it for the community and releasing it anonymously, that has happened in the past I would guess.
so it could take time.
but maybe some genius with the android source like cyanogen will take the time and have the know how to solve the mystery. surely the hero is the #1 android phone still out there...
judging from the community here it seems really popular still.
and to think, I just got a hero a few months back (and one for my wife) because they were only $25 at future shop when we renewed our accounts and we wanted iphones but couldn't afford them LoL
if I'd known anything about android then I'd have been all over these babies without a second thought - instead I had to research and took a leap of faith that the future shop guy was steering us in the right direction (thank you future shop guy - or I mean, former future shop guy (he doesn't work there any more)!
cheers
With all the work this community has gone into getting Android to work on the TP2/Tilt2, would you be disappointed or upset if HTC developed and released a full featured and functional Android build for the TP2/Ttilt2
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With all the work this community has gone into getting Android to work on the TP2/Tilt2, would you be disappointed or upset if HTC developed and released a full featured and functional Android build for the TP2/Ttilt2
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No, more like excited. Seeing as that's what all this work has gone into trying to accomplish in the first place. lol
Bah! I can't vote right on my own poll...
I can't wait for full Android on this or my next phone whoever makes it.
why would i be disappointed? it would give more access for the devs here to work with.
I would hope that HTC worked with the xda developers to create an android rather than voiding all the existing work.
However if HTC did release one I bet it would solve many of the problem the xda guys have had and would enable them to finish alternative flavours of Android for the TP2.
Either way having android for the TP2 would be just awesome whoever cracks it.
I vote yea because I am not an end user, all these end users probably voted no because they would just be satisfied that theres a working build, but they give no credit to the people that have taken time out of their lives to get something working that a lot of people would have no idea how to do. and yet the devs get no credit...
I want to dump my phone for android based phone.
I think even the devs would love it, because they could then focus their efforts on modding and creating apps which they are really good at and really enjoy instead of backward engineering what has already been done.
I wish...
I wish they would, but it probably won't happen. I'm sure there is already a strain on the HTC-Microsoft relationship because most (if not all) of their new high-end devices are Android based, with the exception of the HD2 (which isn't really new anymore). I'm sure HTC is developing WP7 devices but most of their focus right now seems to be on Android. If they release an Android build for a WinMo device, Microsoft will probably throw a fit. I'm sure HTC wants to do it to spike sales and increase the "lifespan" of the Rhodium, but it would not be in their best interest. However, if there are any HTC engineers and such listening, please feel free to "leak" unofficial 2.1 or 2.2 builds to the geniuses here. 3.0 is welcome as well...
I would love it, but please, don't get my hopes up.
i wouldnt be BUT i do realize the hard work and effort the devs. have made on this project. im sure it would make things easier for devs. then they could focus on modding and apps.
i will never ever turn on the freakin window-mo......more and more and more then happy if Htc release the official Android 3.0 a.k.a. Gingerbread build
HTC would never do this. So the hypothetical question shouldn't even be answered.
I think i would go buy it.
I would like to see a rom with android and wm working as one but back to the question u would have to think about money they would make with people switching n buying another htc phone with andriod but I do think they should lend an helping hand with getting the sound to work
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I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.
yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL
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LOL
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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!
I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..
Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device
Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.
Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme
No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.
Reefer for president !!!
agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android
You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.
or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..
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No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.
Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.
sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.
i used to have a htc vogue (aka htc touch vx 6900 US Cellular) that would run android eclair but slowly. i was due for an upgrade and picked up the more powerful touch pro 2 specifically to run android smoother. i love the dual boot between a nice custom win mo rom and android,however, ive noticed there isnt nearly as many diffrent android developers trying to port or whatever the term is to get it to work on the touch pro 2 like there is with win mobile roms. project android froyo ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff but even on a overclock runs like crap,lagging and not running certain apps. the klinux eclair 2.1 sense UI is great but locks up,lags,no sounds and has no internet. neopeek's eclair runs the best out of them all,super fast and responsive but no internet,no live wall paper and no sounds.
can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project or update that can bring me as close to a functioning android OS that will work. eclair looks promising on speed,but there is to much that is still broke on it. thx
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can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project
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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.
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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.
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when i said "actual" i ment one that works, im not trying to criticize any of the developers here or not be appreciative. im just looking to have android run as smooth as everyone else does on their tp2.
TP2 Development
I am experiencing the same situation as you, but understand the TP2 is still under heavy development. Now that sound is working I would imagine stability and other features will be addressed in the next few weeks. If you want a phone that will work perfectly with Android switch to the HTC Desire that US Cellular just put out a few weeks back, it ships with Android. You can buy yourself out of the contract pro-rated for the time you have left. You cannot expect a phone that ships with Windows Mobile to run Android flawlessly. If you want to increase progress you can download the development tools and help, or you can post a bounty for items you would like addressed. You could also download the 6/20 version of MightyROM and enjoy a stable WM6.5 build. Good luck!
They all work, just to varying degrees.
([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff
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That's probably the best build right there. If you were expecting Android to run flawlessly on your fancy new phone, you are very, very mistaken.
If you want Android to run like it does on Android-specific devices... then you probably should've bought an Android device.
yea, i know its still under dev, but its like i have to choose between lag on froyo builds but almost everything works,or eclair builds that run as smooth as silk but miss out on my data connection,gps,ect ect.
ive just spent so much time into studying everything into android development and installation/updates ect ect and i still haven't even scratched the surface and it becomes frustrating after a full month of installing and deleting and back and forth testing,trust me, i know we all do the same here,but my eyes are burning from reading so many forums/topics/guides and i figure ill just ask if anyone has got a few of the bugs i have mentioned out of the way.
i can appreciate that somethings dont work cause thats just the way it is,but the kicker here is that the froyo build has almost everything working correctly, not to go back right not and look at the topic,but the only thing thats not working is camera,battery and bluetooth i think? and no big deal i dont need it anyways right now, but why cant i get an eclair build in the same working order?
i just would of thought that what could be applied to froyo could just as easily been applied to eclair.
im on neopeek v1.1 eclair right now,im going to see if i can get my data connection for US cell to work with a few tweaks,but ill miss the live wallpapers and gps.
C'est la vie buddy.
lol,now after applying a fix for US cell's data network gps works but no data
rofl,this stuff is killing me! lol
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when i said "actual" i ment one that works
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This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.
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This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.
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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.
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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.
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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...
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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...
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um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?
how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
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I'm not sure what to tell you. I doubt my phone works any better than yours or anyone elses - it's FAR from perfect, as you've found and evidently have accepted.
So wait and be patient for new developments with the project - it's always gotten better & better.
With that said, I can only assume eclair development stopped because I know I'd prefer to run froyo over eclair... You can try throwing a new zImage/modules/rootfs at an eclair build, but no guranatees there.
Did you ever think it could be your SD card? Have you tried switching them out? Have you done a FULL (not quick) format to FAT32?
Froyo runs WAY faster than Eclair EVER did on my handset. There is no doubt about the difference, and thats why development shifted away from a dying and outdated version.
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um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?
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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.
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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else.
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What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.
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What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.
this is actually my 10th or more install of prj android froyo and this time for some weird reason it is faster.
yes i did format the sd card the long way, i used gparted live cd as well because i had to set it up for neopeek in 2 partitions . i have two sd cards at 2 and 4 gigs (i swap between) that i just decided to keep a 512mb partition in ext2 for projects like neopeek on both of them.
regardless this time around is giving me a faster experience on froyo, and i didnt edit change anything,just the common install with a soft restart as usual.i am using the blazn overclock i believe it is 716 or 768 mhz.
and of coarse i will keep you posted on any changes or fixes i find.
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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.
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what is it with you people, didn't mommy and daddy love you enough as a child and teach you if you dont have anything good to say then dont say it all. who is belittling developers? i didnt come in here saying i think some one from this project or that is retarded,as a matter of fact i am grateful for the work these people have done and your trying to belittle me. im explaining what issues im having between different projects and jerks like you are trying to make me look like the bad guy.so comon down from your high horse and actually read what im talking about instead of jumping of the handle and making your self look like a complete jackass. yet once again, you miss the point. if i wanted an android phone i would of got one from the beginning ,i got a tp2 obviously to play around with android,see what it can do,what i can do to it and other reasons. ive got a few dev tools to create software for android i would like to use, so im asking questions, and if you sat a computer for as long as i have researching this with 30 or more tabs open trying to take notes from other threads,you'd be sick of reading all this other crap and post your own experiences/questions too.
and im a little well wiser than to keep stroking your ego,because people like you starve for the attention,otherwise you wouldnt jump into this thread to post your snotty ass comments.so if you wanna keep talking crap instead of offering something insightful to say,go ahead,cause im done dealing with **** heads like you.
Well another thread where you all jump on someone and make him look like an asshole for asking questions. How can you help people when you treat them like ****? I've been working with Linux and Android for a while now and I bet half of you write code that looks like a kid scribbling on the back of a McDonald´s napkin. I tell you what.. Treat people better and you just might have more people to aid in the projects and to the functionally quality. I have been messing with Linux and the open source development scene for years and this is a joke. Like a bunch of kids with computers and a power trip but on the same token you all write code like old people ****