Hi There,
I wish to flash a radio update. Currently I have ENG S-OFF. I did run the One Click Radio S-OFF tool. It succeeded. It still says ENG S-OFF. not Radio S-OFF or something. Can I still flash a radio?
Thanks in advance.
greetz, Haru
Hi,
If you flashed ENG HBOOT then that will still remain. Check your CID, Power off, Power On + Volume Down, System Info. If CID has a load of 1's, your good to go. If it says HTC_...... then the easy radio S-OFF didn't work.
andyharney said:
Hi,
If you flashed ENG HBOOT then that will still remain. Check your CID, Power off, Power On + Volume Down, System Info. If CID has a load of 1's, your good to go. If it says HTC_...... then the easy radio S-OFF didn't work.
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Thanks for the Info!!!!
No problem. I take it your are Radio S-OFF?
Hi,
I wasn't aware of ENG S-OFF but I already did Radio S-OFF with this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857537). Installed Visionary+ and gain permanent root (check in terminal with 'su'). I'm just wondering I can do ENG S-OFF. I like to flash Revolution ROM. I have the earliest Radio version and I like to update one of the two radio version as recommended by Revolution ROM. Please advise.
HTC Desire HD Stock ROM perm-rooted.
You can do ENG S-OFF using my tool, check link in my signature
ehhm... the topic says "difference between ship/eng s-off" .. so whats the difference? strange thread, topic not matching with content. plz tell me the difference!
Schneizel said:
ehhm... the topic says "difference between ship/eng s-off" .. so whats the difference? strange thread, topic not matching with content. plz tell me the difference!
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If you read the OP you will see what they were trying to ask. Not everyone that uses these forums has English as there first language, you're question therefore could be taken offensively.
Your question is also therefore off topic but I do concede that plenty of people will find this thread looking for the same information that you ask for.
With that in mind and put simply...
Radio S-OFF is a way of switching of a security feature that allows you to flash radio's not meant for your ROM or network.
ENG S-OFF is a replacement HBOOT (ENGineering) allowing you to flash different ROM's and Kernels. And provides a means to rescue the phone from a lot of "almost bricked" states.
For more detailed answer please search as there are dozens of threads already about this.
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If you read the OP you will see what they were trying to ask.
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Strange, I would recommend to read the author to get what is it all about, not the interpretator (who got it the way he liked answering the real problem, not the topic question, but read further for explanation).
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Not everyone that uses these forums has English as there first language, you're question therefore could be taken offensively.
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What do you see improper in his question meaning english knowing? I dont get it at all, maybe coz I'm polish. I understand either the topic and the first post.
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Your question is also therefore off topic
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As far as I can see (and I still can see even if my eyes are so tired programming...), his question covers the topic much more than the authors question or any answer but yours.
And as I promised - back to the topic and some explanations:
Mr_JMM said:
With that in mind and put simply...
Radio S-OFF is a way of switching of a security feature that allows you to flash radio's not meant for your ROM or network.
ENG S-OFF is a replacement HBOOT (ENGineering) allowing you to flash different ROM's and Kernels. And provides a means to rescue the phone from a lot of "almost bricked" states.
For more detailed answer please search as there are dozens of threads already about this.
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I think this answer is too simple to get the difference usable in any way. As far as I wasted two weeks to get the knowledge how and with what I do want do modify my phone, I still do not get this difference enough to say that I want ENG S-OFF or not. The author of this topic would answer to himself too if this would be clear enough. And no, there is no definitive description easily found by google when you use "difference eng s-off radio s-off" terms. First match links to this thread which is a mislead, and other won;t even link to XDA but still, no definitive clear answer.
It would be nice to have this answer here considering a fact that google "thinks" it should be here.
And thats why I argued with your opinion of being off-topic (and yes, I see that the guy was lil irritated but it has nothing to do with being off topic I assume).
So now, I kindly ask that anyone could write detailed description. For example which "almost bricked states" can be repaired (what actions could be done to cause those states too), what ROMs won't flash using only Radio S-OFF (since I've read that ROM Manager _will_ work without Eng S-OFF), why kernels could not be updated if ROMs can (or why I've found misleading information that ROMs can), and so on. As far as I've read, Radio S-OFF is a flag which HBOOT reads and sees that it should allow changes, and Eng S-OFF is a patch to HBOOT not to read this flag and just assume that it should allow changes so it should be basically almost the same thing, but I can imagine that at the early stages of booting it can matter. So... it's still a quite black magic for a noob as me even if I know what is happening coz I do not know the consequences not knowing the system (even if I'm a linux programmer).
So, I would be very happy to see answer here instead of complaining . Or at least a links to posts which will cover this topic really clearly, coz I could not find one.
PS. And sorry for advising while being noob, but as it seems, noobs are the group which needs such information and help, so I've put some effort to describe why it is important to answer real topic question... I hope it won't be considered as rude
Radio s-off: a security flag that allows/rejects you to write things permanently into the NAND. Also grants you the so called super-cid.
Eng hboot (eng s-off): an engineering bootloader with more funktions than the stock one (fastboot commands in our case)
If you look at the first line at the bootloader:
ace pvt ship s-on
Ship means stock hboot. If it says eng instead, you have an engineering hboot
S-on/off is only for the radio.
If you have radio s-off but shipped hboot it will say
Ace pvt ship s-off
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Flussen said:
Radio s-off: a security flag that allows/rejects you to write things permanently into the NAND. Also grants you the so called super-cid.
Eng hboot (eng s-off): an engineering bootloader with more funktions than the stock one (fastboot commands in our case)
If you look at the first line at the bootloader:
ace pvt ship s-on
Ship means stock hboot. If it says eng instead, you have an engineering hboot
S-on/off is only for the radio.
If you have radio s-off but shipped hboot it will say
Ace pvt ship s-off
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i see, so the difference between ship and eng is that eng has more functions - thanks
Yep, and it allows you to do more. For example it allows you to flash images in fastboot (like a radio or splash).
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jkoljo said:
Yep, and it allows you to do more. For example it allows you to flash images in fastboot (like a radio or splash).
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Yup, thats what I supposed talking about "bricked states", but still... What is the difference for the user which does not harm his phone? I mean for example your kernel update tool (why doesn't it work on radio s-off? only reason is that it uses fastboot or is there other problem?)
If this all is only about a fastboot then it's obvious that Eng S-OFF is completely useless for normal user. Kernel can be upgraded in many ways - it's just a more work for tool developer (like ClockworkMod flashing for example). Am I right?
By the way, why can't "we" produce RUU or OTA or any other (if exists) updates like HTC or Google just to be downloaded and flashed - in the meaning of modded androids of course? Why not just omit S-ON like google does? Is it only a problem of cracking the place which will allow to download updates from for example different IP? We have root so... in theory it's just a matter of a good cracker job... (but this one is now not quite for this topic, i just winded up myself, sorry )
good thread guys i started one of these of my own in the sensation Q&A.
Im wondering if these eng s-off links for DHD will work for my sensation. Eng s-off seems to be the hot topic lately im trying to broaden my horizon in Customizing my device. thanks again for the info on the differences.
I downloaded the new version of Android Revolution Rom for my incredible S a few hours ago. It was also recommanded to update my radio to use with this custom ROM. It was written in help file of radio:
"Your phone must be ENG S-OFF. Radio S-OFF is also highly recommended."
If ENG S-OFF provides more functionality, why radio s-off is also highly recommanded? Or maybe radio s-off does'nt have anything to do with eng s-off. In my bootloader, it is written ship s-off and I am still confused if I can flash the radio or not. and still mixed up by the differences!
hi
i have DHD t-mobile uk, i downgraded my mobile than rooted using this > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841076 , and then i flashed Miui rom , but i dont know what does radio s- off means and is this really important ?
thanks
do i already done radio s-off or not ?
Yes you should have S-OFF. But you can check it by going into the bootloader by restarting your phone while holding volume down button, and it should start with bootloader, and then it will show S-OFF to the top.
Check this video from 6:25 on how to boot into bootloader and check if S-OFF is on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lah6BD_krjc&feature=related
Another thread about S-OFF has already been created. But S-OFF means security-off. For more info about S-OFF read the text under the title "Finally, what's Radio S-OFF and What Does It Mean to Me?".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...Subsidy_Unlock.2C_SuperCID.2C_and_Radio_S-OFF
hm thanks
you are the best
You're welcome! I'm glad I could help.
Hello there,
To day I'm getting S-OFFed I am sooo happy, but now I have questions.
Is the S-OFF for ever? If I flash with the RUU will it lock my device? Can I unwanted lock it with experimenting with roms?
Thanks a lot
It is forever man, don't worry
wildfire-chaos said:
It is forever man, don't worry
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unless you flash a new radio that has s-on ...
I have flashed radio but I'm still s off.
theq86 said:
unless you flash a new radio that has s-on ...
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As mentioned in another thread since S-OFF/Unlocking my Wildfire S A510E with my XTC Clip I have performed two full RUU upgrades including hboot and radios.
S-OFF is still there. Perhaps other's results have varied...
Check out my signature to see what I'm up to and still S-OFF.
Hi, Im despratley searching all threads for desire eng hboot but i cannot find :'( i really need this hboot some1 please help me out ? thanks very much. who ever gets me eng hboot 1st gets 5 pounds into their paypal hurry up lol
paul.robo said:
Hi, Im despratley searching all threads for desire eng hboot but i cannot find :'( i really need this hboot some1 please help me out ? thanks very much. who ever gets me eng hboot 1st gets 5 pounds into their paypal hurry up lol
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To my knowledge, there is no Engineering HBOOT. But other phones such DHD and Desire S/Z do have ENG HBOOT.
I see two options... Alpharev http://alpharev.nl/ or create your own custom HBOOT(more dangerous option).
Spierbal said:
To my knowledge, there is no Engineering HBOOT. But other phones such DHD and Desire S/Z do have ENG HBOOT.
I see two options... Alpharev http://alpharev.nl/ or create your own custom HBOOT(more dangerous option).
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what a ***** i think this is the first htc phone ive seen without eng hboot
What do you even need one for?
paul.robo said:
what a ***** i think this is the first htc phone ive seen without eng hboot
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Yeah I have only heard good things about it
So my friend had this HTC One X. details of the bootloader given below!
He update an OTA on his 4.0.3 ICS Sense 4.0 One X. Now its in a bootloop in the HTC Logo.
Since the bootloader is locked I was wondering can i flash CWM as it is or do I have to UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
A simple question really please have your time by answering this
Thanks
ENDEAVORU XE SHIP S-OFF RL
CID-11111111
HBOOT-0.96.0000
CPLD-None
MICROP-None
RADIO-1.1204.105.14
Stock Recovery obviously
Okay after even more searching and digging deep.
I need to be UNLOCKED to flash the recovery since fastboot commands only work when unlocked.
i need to upgrade my HBoot version to get on a JB ROM . Since 4.0.3 is just too low
Question : What should I have in order to flash ARHD 31.3 Sense 5 JB 4.2.2?
Bump? :/
this questions has been asked for more than 100 times you will fined answers use the search button and you will fined detailed ones that will offer more detailed help ... there are more roms than ARHD u know
ExoticMe said:
this questions has been asked for more than 100 times you will fined answers use the search button and you will fined detailed ones that will offer more detailed help ... there are more roms than ARHD u know
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Yeah i have searched for that alot everywhere but I could not receive any information regarding the "CID 11111111 and S-OFF" part... And people do have posted there but i failed to see any workaround for that. That is all.
WasifSal said:
Yeah i have searched for that alot everywhere but I could not receive any information regarding the "CID 11111111 and S-OFF" part... And people do have posted there but i failed to see any workaround for that. That is all.
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it does not matter if u are s-off or not, how ever u can flash any hboot firmware that u should take in mined
good luck