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ENG S-off & RADIO S-off

I'm just confused... I'm new to Android and i was just wondering if ENG S-off is the same as Radio S-off... my phone is currently Rooted and have ENG S-off do i need to the One click radio S-off? -noob- here

I am with the same condition as you and asked a similar question here and here is the answer :
jkoljo said:
Yes that is right, you need to use this tool (or script methods in forum) if you want to flash using kernel update utility.
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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So for Kernel flashing or similar issues, yes we need extra ENG S-Off which I would recommed you to use the tool on the link above If you are a newbie like me.

eozen81 said:
I am with the same condition as you and asked a similar question here and here is the answer :
So for Kernel flashing or similar issues, yes we need extra ENG S-Off which I would recommed you to use the tool on the link above If you are a newbie like me.
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I think you meant to say we need the extra radio s-off, not eng s-off. Just to avoid any confusion.

I´ve got the same problem. I don´t realy know the difference between ENG S-Off and SHIP S-Off.
I have have ROOT and ENG S-Off, but after I run Easy-RADIO-S-Off everythimg is the same like before.
Is there maybe another way to get Radio-S-Off?
For my ENG S-Off, I´ve made a step by step way with the terminal Emulator.
I need your Help

If you do Radio S-OFF on top of ENG S-OFF, nothing else is supposed to change but bootloader>system info CID. If you did full Radio S-OFF, which contains SuperCID and SimUnlock, the CID should be 11111111.
The differences of both S-OFFs:
- Radio S-OFF is more permanent, safer
- ENG S-OFF allows to use fastboot commands, such as fastboot flash radio
- Radio S-OFF (with SuperCID) allows downgrading from anything, it disables device version checking. If HTC has "banned" a certain downgrade from one version to the other, Radio S-OFF allows it.

@jkoljo
thx for your reply
I still have root and ENG S-Off. How can I get Radio S-Off and SuperCID too?
I´ve searched in the forum up and down. It seems that the Easy-Radio-S-Off Tool doesn´t work... ? Do you have another way for me?

Didn't the CID change (bootloader system info)? Because nothing else is supposed to change in the bootloader after you run the tool. Check Radio S-OFF tool troubleshooting. There is also a manual method posted by Apache, which uses older unlock code version than my tool.

jkoljo said:
If you do Radio S-OFF on top of ENG S-OFF, nothing else is supposed to change but bootloader>system info CID. If you did full Radio S-OFF, which contains SuperCID and SimUnlock, the CID should be 11111111.
The differences of both S-OFFs:
- Radio S-OFF is more permanent, safer
- ENG S-OFF allows to use fastboot commands, such as fastboot flash radio
- Radio S-OFF (with SuperCID) allows downgrading from anything, it disables device version checking. If HTC has "banned" a certain downgrade from one version to the other, Radio S-OFF allows it.
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this explains everything... thnx so much for the reply... mind my ignorance... xD

SEW580 said:
@jkoljo
thx for your reply
I still have root and ENG S-Off. How can I get Radio S-Off and SuperCID too?
I´ve searched in the forum up and down. It seems that the Easy-Radio-S-Off Tool doesn´t work... ? Do you have another way for me?
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Hi SEW580,
I had the same problem, apeared to be the wrong option/choice I made when I used te tool. you have to use the FIRST option ("Radio S-OFF, Super-CID an Sim Unlock"), this worked for me.
Let me know if it also did for you...
Jan

I would 100% get radio s-off. That way if Htc screw you over with an update which breaks root you aren't stranded.

jverven said:
Hi SEW580,
I had the same problem, apeared to be the wrong option/choice I made when I used te tool. you have to use the FIRST option ("Radio S-OFF, Super-CID an Sim Unlock"), this worked for me.
Let me know if it also did for you...
Jan
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The Tool is great, but it doesn´t work at mine. I tryed every option from first to last. I´ve got SU, Root and ENG S-OFF. I did everything whats needed. I run the Tool, it asked for permission, I confirm, it finished succesful, but nothing changes - no Radio S-Off or SuperCID :-(

Please try the 2.2 version, it tells you what went wrong.
By the way if you have a new radio in your phone, you have to downgrade first before running the tool.

jkoljo said:
Please try the 2.2 version, it tells you what went wrong.
By the way if you have a new radio in your phone, you have to downgrade first before running the tool.
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Yeah, its done. After i´ve downgraded the RADIO, I used Version 2.2 and it works.
I´´m the proud Owner of a SuperCID

cool.....................

How do I know if I have ENG or Radio S-Off??

I have to be honest, I followed a fairly technical guide to root my DHD and although I got the gist of it, I'm not sure if it left me with just ENG S-Off or Radio S-Off as well.
Is there a way to check for both?
Cheers.

You can check in bootloader it will say if you are eng off or not and if your cid is 1111111111 your radio s off too
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

- hold power button and select reboot then ok
- after hitting ok, wait 1 sec then press and hold power + vol down
- the phone will enter bootloader mode
at the very 1st line it should say ENG S-OFF
for RADIO S-OFF
- press vol down until you get more info
- if you see CID11111 that means you have RADIO S-OFF
else you don't

Excellent, thanks very much to both of you..........

Mine says
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT.0.85.0007
....
...
...
...
..
What does that mean?
What s-off do I have?

Defectus said:
Mine says
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT.0.85.0007
....
...
...
...
..
What does that mean?
What s-off do I have?
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That is only radio s-off.i believe
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Defectus said:
Mine says
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT.0.85.0007
....
...
...
...
..
What does that mean?
What s-off do I have?
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Indeed that is radio s-off.
Hboot s-off looks like "ACE PVT ENG S-OFF"
The ENG stands for engineering.

Thanks guys. It's a bit confusing.
I'm gonna flash a new radio today. Do I only need radio s-off or do i need eng -s-off too?
If so, i guess you can apply it after you've radio s-off'ed?
Edit: So now I used the s-off easy one click tool.
Now I have ACE PVT ENG S-OFF
Do I still have the radio s-off?
As joliko stated you can have both. How does that work anyway?

Once you've entered the bootloader (Volume down + power on) if it says eng s-off you obviously have eng s-off you then select system info or something like that and it says the CID:xxxx. For example my phone which is now radio locked due to loading LeeDroid 1.3 based on the latest 1.72.405.3 ROM and not realising I needed to run Radio s-off says CID-VODAP021. What you want is CID:1111111 (not sure how many 1's but you get the idea). My advice after reading many pages it make absolutely sure you have radio s-off before running any updates or flashing any ROMs period. It is also highly reccomended to have eng s-off and also super user access (root access). From what I have read Radio s-off is a higher or more superior access to eng s-off. Having Radio s-off (otherwise known as Super CID) enables you to unlock any simlock and also load the latest HTC 1.72.405.3 ROM without loosing any root access or s-off.

Yoshi_523 said:
Once you've entered the bootloader (Volume down + power on) if it says eng s-off you obviously have eng s-off you then select system info or something like that and it says the CID:xxxx. For example my phone which is now radio locked due to loading LeeDroid 1.3 based on the latest 1.72.405.3 ROM and not realising I needed to run Radio s-off says CID-VODAP021. What you want is CID:1111111 (not sure how many 1's but you get the idea). My advice after reading many pages it make absolutely sure you have radio s-off before running any updates or flashing any ROMs period. It is also highly reccomended to have eng s-off and also super user access (root access). From what I have read Radio s-off is a higher or more superior access to eng s-off. Having Radio s-off (otherwise known as Super CID) enables you to unlock any simlock and also load the latest HTC 1.72.405.3 ROM without loosing any root access or s-off.
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actually you have more options with eng-s off as you can use fastboot commands. were if you just only had radio-s off you can't use fastboot but your right in the fact that you won't lose s-off were eng s-off is just the hboot been patched an so flashing new firmware with upgraded hboot you will lose the sercurity been off.

how do i know if I am ENG or Radio S-OFF
BOOTLOADER says:
VIVO PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.09.0000
RADIO - 3805.04.03.22_M
eMMC-boot
what does that mean?
I am planning to change my radio to be compatible with ARHD 1.1.2

radio s-off but no eng hboot
Sent out of my Free Candy Van.

Before, after I had used Easy Eng S-Off Tool, I had Ship S-Off. After that I found out I can't flash splash img using fast boot, I ran the tool again and I had now Eng S-Off.
But in the system info, the CID is not 111111.
Does that means I had lost my Radio S-Off?
I'm now on CyanogenMod7 RC-1 with Eng S-Off.
I just now tried this One click Radio S-OFF (windows recognized well my DHD in Device Manager), but it said "Unknown Error, probably connections" (usb cable works fine).
Edit: I restored the backed-up rooted 1.32 and do Radio S-Off. Things ran smooth. Now I have both Eng S-Off and CID 11111.
And by doing so I realized how big Sense Roms are. Clean backed-up rooted Sense 1.32 = 525MB. TB Fusion 3d (Sense 2.1 + 3.0) with some apps (not big): 765 MB. Clean MIUI 1.7.5 = 232 MB. CM7 RC1 with many apps = 457 MB.

[solved] do i have super CID?

hello,
I'm not sure if I have radio S-OFF and Super CID, and i have been looking for a way to check it.
The top line in bootloader says ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
and I guess that means I have radio S-OFF can someone please tel my if i'm right?
And how do I check if I have Super CID I have been searching and everybody says to check system info in bootloader but I only get 5 options in bootloader:
FASTBOOT
RECOVERY
FACTORY RESET
SIMLOCK
IMAGE CRC
and I don't see system info or something simular
how can I check if the Super CID worked?
thanks in advance.

It looks like you have Radio S-Off but if you want to flash Radio's and get the System Info option to check Super CID you will need ENG S-OFF.
All the how to's are in the dev forum.
[EDIT]
I don't normally do this as I'm not here to search the forum for you, (searching is a rule YOU should NOT be breaking) but
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857537

solved
thank you for the quick reply,
the EasyS-OFF program didn't work for me (it kept giving connection error when i allowed it on superuser) so i used AMT v1.2 to flash ENG-HBOOT and it worked perfectly now i have Radio S-OFF ENG S-OFF and Super CID
thank you for the info!

[Q] OEM Unlockd, can i flash custom rom ?

I just got Officeal unlock from HTC, but i cant get it to root using UnrEVOked 3.32, its keep giving me "error: faild to get root. is your firmaware too new ?"
I want to slash one of the Custom ICS Betas
Phone: HTC Desire
Androdid 2.2.2
Baseband 32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27
Software: 2.29.405.14
*** Unlocked ***
Bravo PV1 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-1.03.0003
Radio-5.11.05.27
advanced applogies for a newb question if it is, im more of Windows Mobile/ Windows Phone/iOS person, - Chevron/Jailbreaking them seems far easyr.
Is there a way to Root this thig with HBOOT-1.03.0003 and Software: 2.29.405.14 ???

This is a question. Y u no post in questions forum?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=689
Reported.

i cant find anything in Q&A about HBOOT-1.03.0003
i have tried UnrEVOked 3.32.
i know someone will flame me for asking this, i expected it... if u havent noticed i been with this forum since 2007, and i do know how to use Q&A and i would not be asking a question if it was a simple matter...
unless u can point me to the right tool or guide for HBOOT-1.03.0003 with S-ON, u can save flaming to yourself

Sorry to bring you a bit of bad news... the official HTC S-OFF is a real *****! There's no patch for HBOOT-1.03.0003 out there yet and I don't know if there will ever be one. You can try writing to the guys doing Revolutionary (i.e. Alpharev and Unrevoked) and see if they plan on patching this new HBOOT version.

to get a s-off... goldcard and downgrade

kotag82 said:
to get a s-off... goldcard and downgrade
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Yeah, if he has one. IIRC goldcard was only an instrument in rooting branded phones? The error code would mention incorrect CID or something like that.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Goldcard didnt work, it says somthing like no image or wrong image after a bar on right hand side goes up....
also quick question is Reversing CID from CMD is just like 12a456 to 654a21 or is it something else, coz http://hexrev.soaa.me/ gives me some other result.
aka my CID from cmd is
1e41425553442xxxx0058003fd00a5f6 so reverse shuld be
6f5a00df3008500xxxx24435552414e1
and then replace first too with 00
but that site gives me 00a500fd038005xxxx2044535542411e
im a litttle confused :s

and just to be clear i now have UNlocked Bootloader (officeal by HTC) what tools are compatible with that for me to be able to flash ?

Use yours just be careful, triple check everything you doing
Btw... All tools are up to hboot 1.02, unlocked bootloader is not s-off
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vladimir2989 said:
and just to be clear i now have UNlocked Bootloader (officeal by HTC) what tools are compatible with that for me to be able to flash ?
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first you should flash recovery in fastboot
then in recovery you can flash any rom you wish

SOLUTION to Custom Roms on 1.03.003 Unlocked Bootloader (official by HTC)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21538843&postcount=36
Worked from first try

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1453066&page=6

[Q] Cannot S off my wildfire s

My girlfriend hope to remove some build in unnecessary app.
so i try to root her wildfire s.
But problems appear.
I am able to unlock the phone: from unlock to lock.
but then my hboot version change from. 1.08 to 1.08.0999
and keeping s-on
then I can no longer s-off it anymore.... Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First of all welcome to xda!
And second of all.....if you don't have a CDMA version of the Wildfire S....You CANNOT S-OFF it with a software for now.....there is a hardware called XTC-Clip which can S-OFF the phone but its too costly(check here)
And BTW unlocking the bootloader is enough for rooting the phone
If you looked around a bit you could have found about 20 similar threads......if you are new it doesnt mean everyone is new......people will just freak out looking at this thread
So please search before posting

About s-off
Sorry about that, I do search for long time about root. But since my hboot version is 1.08999 I cannot flash any recovery into my phone as they are all for version 0.9. Other say My version : unlocked hboot 1.08999 s-on is already mean s-off but I cannot flash any recovery to the phone....=[