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Although I've suspected this for a while, and it's still a rumour, it turns out MS are releasing a second update in February. (Engadget source). "Word is that users will be getting added customization options for their phones, while developers will gain an extra few API hooks and controls."
I think MS are certainly on the right path with the continual updates. Not only does it show commitment to the platform, it will also give a more positive impression on non-techies. As a dev, assuming it's true of course , I can't wait to see what SDK updates will come through.
Maybe so maybe not. From what I have read MS has not committed to anything but early first QTR 2011.
http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-copy-paste-available-update-matter-weeks-early-2011
I'm sure they will have something for MWC 2011. It would only make sense imo.
I don't think the actual update will be in Feb. I think they are just going to talk about it in Feb.
I'm guessing that cut and paste will come in early Jan along with some bug fixes and minor tweaks. Then at MWC in Feb, they will annouce a major update that will include turn by turn nav, multitasking, Skydrive integration for Office plus the APIs & customizations already mentioned in this post, and possibly Flash. Although it will be announced in Feb, it won't happen untli March or April.
Just my 2 cents worth...
That makes sense I guess. I hope the delay isn't too long as I think MS need to try and release continual updates as frequently as possible - at least until they catch up feature-wise. I heard the copy and paste update should be available very soon, and I don't think there's much doubt there. Would be interesting to see what happens at MWC. An announcement would be good, but a release would gain quite a lot of positive attention.
I hope they release socket-access APIs for developers. Then we can finally get some streaming apps and I can finish my epic multi-player game.
200 ships fighting in real time on a map doesn't just run through HTML ya know.
I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!
I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.
That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.
A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.
I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.
That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.
Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.
The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises
Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.
Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.
I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
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I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.
After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.
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still waiting for 7392 here
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.
I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?
http://www.wpcentral.com/mango-rollout-coming-september-1
Saw this article and also an article from HTC Vietnam
http://blog.htcsmartphone.com.vn/?p=1837 (use Google Translate if you want)
That mean, we can pick up new device on September 1st?
I can wait to renew my contract.
Sep 1st = Mango Release + Call of Duty XP
Sep 2st = Vietnamese Independence Day + Call of Duty XP
Too good for September.
I wouldn't count on seeing the update happen on Sept 1st. Microsoft is already saying that it won't release then and I cannot imagine the carriers have their crap together well enough to get ready for deployment by that time.
I would tend to agree, but it is also worth pointing out that Belfiore didn't actually say it wouldn't be released on the first. All he said is that it was a rumor (which means nothing more than it didn't come from an official Microsoft announcement). After all, when the first RTM announcement leaked, Microsoft was quick to say that it was also just a rumor, despite the fact that it was only 3 days away from actually happening.
I'm not trying to build up false hope, but at the same time, all we really have to go on is a rumor (that pocketlint believes to be credible) and a very vague response on Twitter.
As for carriers being ready, I just look back at NoDo. The HTC Arrive was ready to go a full month before most carriers had their upgrade testing completed for existing devices. If it means selling new hardware, rest assured they won't spin their wheels.
I am gonna have a new contract soon... do i have to buy a damn pre-paid simcard just to wait for new mango device?
Am I missing something here? At this point it is out of microsoft's hands right? Isnt it essentially up to the carriers when an update will be released?
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
Rumor continue.
don't quote the source of the first post as new info
then hunt around alittle more for this old news and see that joebelfiore says it just a rumor. (he is the corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management)
https://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore/status/101900748660555776
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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
Rumor continue.
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belfiore debunked that...
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belfiore debunked that...
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k i know what i want know, a pre-paid simcard , can't wait to have a new phone...
When will T-Mobile finish merging with AT&T then?
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belfiore debunked that...
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You mean the same way they "debunked" the release of the Mango beta to developers? There was a blog post that said it was coming "this week" (meaning the week of the post), and Microsoft's "debunking" response was "nothing is happening this week". While that was true, the release did happen, the next week. Or is it like the "debunking" of the RTM of Mango, which was reported on a number of sites as happening "today" (meaning the day of the report), which Microsoft "debunked" as "it's not happening today". Again, their statement was true, but it didn't bother to mention the fact that it was going to happen just 3 days later.
So, forgive me if I take Joe's very cryptic, ambiguous "Sept 1? Just a rumor." comment as much of a debunking. Maybe it won't happen on the 1st. Maybe it will be announced on the 2nd, at IFA. Or maybe it won't happen until a few weeks later. Just about anything is possible at this point.
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You mean the same way they "debunked" the release of the Mango beta to developers? There was a blog post that said it was coming "this week" (meaning the week of the post), and Microsoft's "debunking" response was "nothing is happening this week". While that was true, the release did happen, the next week. Or is it like the "debunking" of the RTM of Mango, which was reported on a number of sites as happening "today" (meaning the day of the report), which Microsoft "debunked" as "it's not happening today". Again, their statement was true, but it didn't bother to mention the fact that it was going to happen just 3 days later.
So, forgive me if I take Joe's very cryptic, ambiguous "Sept 1? Just a rumor." comment as much of a debunking. Maybe it won't happen on the 1st. Maybe it will be announced on the 2nd, at IFA. Or maybe it won't happen until a few weeks later. Just about anything is possible at this point.
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It's not often Belfiore just openly states that it is just a rumor. Heck he posts windows phone, but not often to say whether something is valid or not. That's more of Brandon's schtick. Whether its one day or next week, we can say no Mango for Sept. 1...
We can speculate until the cows come home but there's no proof.
Okay, i will just hold my HD7 for a little bit longer and for CoD XP.
Can't wait for Eternity.
Off Topic : So, that mean, all Windows Phone is designed for 16-bit color after all?
So, when i see a 32-bit Color Image, what would happen?
According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.
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According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.
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Some said 15th earlier, which is on next week's Thursday. I hope this is true. Time for me to play those registry tricks to see if I can install extra languages.
But not sure if DVP will follow this schedule.......
The way Microsoft and reliable sources are talking, it seems as though Microsoft may have used some of its strength on carriers and we'll see a much more expedited release. That isn't to say some, or many, won't be delayed, but I doubt it'll be a NoDo type delay.
I will be amazed if my phone gets the update this side of Christmas and I refuse to het my hopes up
SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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Yup, that's why we were supposed to back up our backup.
I think this time around, once MS announces the Mango update rollout schedule, most of the devices will get it fairly quickly. MS should have learnt a thing or two from the NoDo episode.
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@Henry I think Dell may be on board. I called last week about a replacement DVP and was told they were out of stock and to call back Sep 16 to get my replacement shipped out.
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Keep in mind, The marketplace started accepting apps for Mango a few weeks ago. No Dev is going to release new apps for NoDO when Mango will offer more features in the API and everyone should have it soon.
Microsoft has a big push in getting Mango in everyone's hands ASAP.
The question is, how it will be done, the leaked roms from HTC are making people nuke their phones to install it, most carriers are going to want people to do it as a upgrade, because of data loss=support nightmare.
Time will tell but, I will bet it will be within the next 2 weeks for 90% of the carriers (huge carriers almost 99%)
Sadly MS is highly unpredictable. There was an overflow of rumors and statements made about the condition of WP7 upon initial release, which panned out to be false. Then there was another wildly overflowing number of rumors and statements made about the release of NoDo. NoDo was finally released when nobody really even cared anymore.
Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.
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SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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entire thread devoted to that question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257690
going by snickler's post there is a chance that we might not have to roll back if on 7220.68. Only time will tell...
Still on 7712 here. Didn't get the unofficial 7720 because not much is different in it. Im hoping I don't have to go back to nodo. Even though I have a backup (multiple in fact) its just annoying to lose my settings from mango. hopefully I can go from 7712 to official mango
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7712 directly to official is highly unlikely as 7712 is beta and in the beta que. As has been said, 7720.68 may be back into the official release que (carrier and oem updates seem to come through) so a 7712 to 7720.68 to official release just might be a feasible update path that doesn't lose anything. Time will tell.
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Have to agree with martylk, even if Microsoft get mango out this week, the carriers will svree things up for sure.
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Microsoft completed Mango in July. What we are waiting on right now is the carriers (and handset makers, although it does appear that most/all of them are done now). If a release is announced in the coming days, it will be because the carriers have completed their testing and possible changes, and submitted whatever they have back to Microsoft, not because we are still waiting on them.
Yep if telenav breaks all the customers get boned cause the carrier wants their 9.99/mo... Its pretty sad, but I'm starting to think about dropping my smartphones (4 a dumbphone) and getting a 7" tab to save money and not have to deal with that in th future. this seems not o be worth it anymore...
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Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.
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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.
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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.
Info released today: http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=21053&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32754&mapcode=consumer%7Cmobile-devices
AT&T will be among the first carriers to start updating existing phones and all Windows Phones already sold by AT&T will receive the Windows Phone 7.5 update this fall.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.
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I did a Google search and all I found was officially "fall" + a lot of rumors.
If you show me a link I might stand corrected though.