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WinMo 7 on my EVO?

Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?

Considering that WM7 is about 4-6 months out from even being released, it is probably a little silly to be talking about this right now.

Housoft said:
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.

You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.

MrDSL said:
You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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Or seeing WinMo 6.x on the EVO

timothydonohue said:
chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.

Thank you for the valid responses I'm just trying to wrap my head around the cell phone scene so the input was much appreciated.
To the others, well, thank you for trolling. Who woulda thought that a legitimate question located in the legitimate forum would be so ridiculously stupid, amirite?

ok i will be the first
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

there is the OS Licensing cost.
as i understand it, Android is free (more free beer than free speech but that's a different thread). Microsoft is not ever free.
hence, if you hack android you're a potential nerd...if you hack windows you're a potential criminal.
kinda the same reason we don't put the apple os on devices...it's closed source.
oh yeah...and then there is the most important question... why would you want to defile your EVO like that?

Junon said:
This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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SharkUW said:
Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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not correct. WinMo7 is using ARM instructions just the same as WinMo6, WinMo5, 2003, Android, and everyone else unless you know something I don't.
Even further WinMo7 will most likely run on Snapdragon chips... so we can pull the necessary drivers from other systems.
The only thing that would be needed is either a haRET style bootloader but for WinMo or a dual bootloader that can load either WinMo7 or Android.

[Q] WP7 as dualboot on HD2

Hi,
A few days ago I started to follow the development of WP7 port for HD2. So I want to know whether there is a working WP7 build for the HD2?!
The next important thing I want to know if there is a working ROM:
Is it possible to run WP7 and WM6.5 parallel with dual boot? The best thing would be if it's possible to run WP7 from storage card without flashing it to ROM-Storrage. Or maybe like Gen.Y DualBOOT solution with WP7 instead of Android. I want to do this for testing WP7 in my company. We have some things to be tested on WP7 and don't want to buy new devices. Most important thing because we can not change completely to WP7 is, that we need the functionality of WM6.5 for our software. So maybe what I need is still possible?
Greez zyclop

Seriously ?
If you started to follow the progress or actually read ANY of the topics you would be aware of the fact that there is NO working build out there.
If you actually would have done anything besides finding out WP7 existed you would be aware of the fact that progress has been slow and painstakingly hard.
So in short dont state you cant find any info just actually search

Good to know, that there isn't a working build yet.
Users in some other boards wrote, that there is an early build with limited functionality. But this might be not the truth. I think xda-developers are more believable.
I think I should wait a while, because the first WP7 devices aren't released long time ago. Hacking the OS might be much easier while having devices running WP7.
Maybe someone write here, if there is a working HD2 build of WP7, that would be very great
Greez zyclop

Your company wants to test WP7 but wants to do it on a hacked phone? Too cheap to buy 1 device for testing? Sounds like a recipe for success!!

efjay said:
Your company wants to test WP7 but wants to do it on a hacked phone? Too cheap to buy 1 device for testing? Sounds like a recipe for success!!
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To add, even IF there's a working port, not all the functions will work properly, if at all... Just buy a WP7 phone if you're that interested in it. Of course if you have been "looking into it", you'd already know this.

efjay said:
Your company wants to test WP7 but wants to do it on a hacked phone? Too cheap to buy 1 device for testing? Sounds like a recipe for success!!
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Also the fact that there is no method to install your own apps....the testing will be such a success !!!!

Since this is the week of halloween, and all. After halloween, infractions and bans are gonna be given out to posts like these.
Thread closed. Read the stickeys please.
~~Tito~~

[Q] wp7 on android

Hi All
Is it possible, that will come an Windows Phone 7 rom on the HTC desire???

No development and posted before: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814839

That would be nice!
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mission impossible

Okay, here's the question that appears in most of these threads:
...Why would you want an inferior OS installed on top of Android?

I had a play with wp7 the other day, on the outside it seemed very very sleek and user friendly but when you read the reviews about what is missing.... urg. Its like going back to basics

Moved to Q&A. As was stated in the thread title, this is a question, so it should not be posted in development.

TermyJW said:
...Why would you want an inferior OS installed on top of Android?
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Inferiority is in the eye of the beholder. So please don't state an opinion as being fact. Some of us just like to try different things, whether it be roms or OSs.
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PinkySlayer said:
Inferiority is in the eye of the beholder. So please don't state an opinion as being fact. Some of us just like to try different things, whether it be roms or OSs.
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Thats not true, wp7 is inferior to android in every respect, it might look deep, but if you read up on all.the things ms has left out, it can barely be called a smartphone os, more like a feature phone......
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WP7 is effectively a brand new OS (primarily because the previous versions were so awful) so it is bound to be lacking in some areas. But compare Android v1 to WP7 v1 and the comparison isn't so favourable. M$ are sometimes slow to join the party, but give them time and the will give android a damned good run for its money.
But put all that aside, it all comes down to personal preference. I have worked with Windows since 3.1 and although I have tried various favours of Linux, I don't "get it". I used iOS for 18 months b4 Android and Android is inferior in many ways, but it comes down to personal preference.
And remember, XDA Developers was originally a Windows Mobile forum, so don't be so closed minded about people's individual choices.
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PinkySlayer said:
WP7 is effectively a brand new OS (primarily because the previous versions were so awful) so it is bound to be lacking in some areas. But compare Android v1 to WP7 v1 and the comparison isn't so favourable.
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Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
On topic.. it's impossible and I agree that the interest to put inferior OS is really low. Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it. For those I don't think any dev would go the hard way of porting WP7 to Desire.

ljesh said:
Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
On topic.. it's impossible and I agree that the interest to put inferior OS is really low. Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it. For those I don't think any dev would go the hard way of porting WP7 to Desire.
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Come on, you say that something is impossible on a developers forum?
There was a short youtube movie a few months back, which showed WP7 booting up on a HD2. So it's not impossible, it's just a question if there are some devs that want to put time in it

ljesh said:
Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
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And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
The point is, some of us would love to experiment with different OSs but don't want to, or can't afford to buy new hardware to do so. Whereas some other people are so blinkered that they think Android is the ultimatimate OS - this is a subjective decision based on personal preference, not an absolute quantifiable fact.
ljesh said:
Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it
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In your opinion. As I said before, this was a Windows Mobile forum long before it incorporated other OSs and devices, but you wouldn't know that as you've only been on here for a year or so.

PinkySlayer said:
And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
The point is, some of us would love to experiment with different OSs but don't want to, or can't afford to buy new hardware to do so. Whereas some other people are so blinkered that they think Android is the ultimatimate OS - this is a subjective decision based on personal preference, not an absolute quantifiable fact.
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your missing the point totally, im no fanboy trust me, but although android is based on an established os, it it googles first attempt at creating an operating system where as microsoft have been doing this for well over a decade. anyway my point is android is a smartphone os, all microsoft have created is a ms iphone, wp7 is not a smartphone os more like a feature phone os, windows mobile was more like the pc version of windows, where as wp7 is just a microsoft phone, it leaves little for developers to create, as they have to do this and that and plaster ms all over the place just like apple enforce with the iphone.
android has alot more scope for development and alot more freedom for developers to develop there ideas. anyway the bottom line is wp7 is not open source, there will never be any source code available for it, this makes porting it an almost impossible task, i dare say i could count the people on 1 hand that have the ability to do this task
ps ive been on here for alot longer than may 10, i changed my tag when i moved to android, my first device was a htc kaiser

Call me Mr Argumentative, but...
AndroHero said:
your missing the point totally, im no fanboy trust me, but although android is based on an established os, it it googles first attempt at creating an operating system
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Google didn't create an OS, they ported an established one.
AndroHero said:
anyway my point is android is a smartphone os, all microsoft have created is a ms iphone, wp7 is not a smartphone os more like a feature phone os
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Definition of smartphone: "A smartphone is a mobile phone offering advanced capabilities, often with PC-like functionality".
Definition of feature phone: "A mobile phone or mobile (also called cellphone and handphone) is an electronic device used for mobile telecommunications (mobile telephone, text messaging or data transmission)"
I think that your understanding of these terms is way off.
AndroHero said:
it leaves little for developers to create, as they have to do this and that and plaster ms all over the place just like apple enforce with the iphone. android has alot more scope for development and alot more freedom for developers to develop there ideas.
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You seem to suggest that a smartphone needsto be opensource whereas most smartphone OSs are in fact proprietary, e.g. Blackberry, iOS, WebOS, BadaOS and before Symbian went open source a year ago, closed source would have accounted for about 80% of the market!
AndroHero said:
anyway the bottom line is wp7 is not open source, there will never be any source code available for it, this makes porting it an almost impossible task, i dare say i could count the people on 1 hand that have the ability to do this task
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Fair comment, but it would still be very cool.

PinkySlayer said:
And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
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I think you will find that WP7 is based on Windows CE 6, with some elements from the forthcoming CE 7. So not at all new really considering that CE 6 dates from 2006!
Regards,
Dave

You are correct, it is a CE6/CE7 hybrid, so it has much in common with Android in that they are new platforms based on existing underlying technology. Shud have checked my facts on that one.
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People who say that it isn't possible, check here:
WP7 running on the HD2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832533

Lennyz1988 said:
People who say that it isn't possible, check here:
WP7 running on the HD2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832533
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There's potentially a very big difference!
The existing WM bootloader (IPL/SPL etc) on the HD2 may make it possible to boot WP7 on it. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it does seem quite likely to me. In addition, they are talking about this being an early build of WP7 - again, it's quite likely that the HD2 was used as a test platform for WP7.
That's not to say that it would be impossible to get WP7 running on a Desire, but it does given potential reason why it would be a lot harder than on the HD2.
Regards,
Dave

Bada on Galaxy S

A lot of people are asking about Android on the Wave but I was just thinking one of the best ways to promote bada would be to port it to the Galaxy S or even other phones. I am sure there has to be at least a few Galaxy S owners that would be interested in at least playing with bada. This would vastly increase the potential market size for developers and provide more incentive to develop for bada. So what do you guys think, is it doable or even worthwhile? And if anyone at Samsung by chance is reading this, perhaps you could write an official alternate bada firmware for your Galaxy S customers. The way I see it, it could only help in promoting bada.

This is a great idea. We should definitely do so. This procedure will promote our system

I agree but is Bada out yet? I thought it was still under development. Im sure samsung will want to release versions of it out made completely by them before they release the source for open dev

iffrett said:
I agree but is Bada out yet? I thought it was still under development. Im sure samsung will want to release versions of it out made completely by them before they release the source for open dev
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hmmm
LOL!!!

Firstly we are on version 1.2 (the 1.x indicates stable) secondly its not open source. Where do you people come up with that stuff??

lol Bada on Galaxy S that will never happened

It might not happen, but I do believe it is possible. Galaxy S and Wave apparently share much of the same hardware so I wouldn't think it would be impossible to port. In my mind, I would think it would be easier to port Bada to the Galaxy S than it would to port Android to the Wave. All it would take is someone with the knowledge and motivation. But then again, I'm not a hacker or programmer so I will readily admit if I am wrong about this. Pipe dream or not, I think it would be a huge step forward if it happened.

Kill the topic guys, any developer will give you countless reasons why this is a pointless exercise.

sabianadmin said:
Kill the topic guys, any developer will give you countless reasons why this is a pointless exercise.
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Here it is, that wonderful spirit of adventurousness that makes life worth living. Why don't you explain to us some of the reasons that this is a pointless endeavor? I am not a programmer so please enlighten me. I like the idea of Bada being ported to the Galaxy S phones.

elgo said:
Here it is, that wonderful spirit of adventurousness that makes life worth living. Why don't you explain to us some of the reasons that this is a pointless endeavor? I am not a programmer so please enlighten me. I like the idea of Bada being ported to the Galaxy S phones.
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Go off and look the other topics i have started. then come back and say that too me. This pointless because we are having a damn near impossible time porting Android over to the Wave even though the entire Galaxy line which has similar (but in many ways different) hardware. And thats with Android which has its source code readily available to any developer. Bada is for all intents and purpose, Closed source.

Samsung releasing the source code would do a hell of a lot for bada. So what if the code is not perfect, there would be a lot of new eyes looking at the code, suggestions and improvements will surely come...
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You know what..After Bada 2.0.1 is officially out and it supports s8500, I think there maybe a port which will take place to get bada on android! It is so cool man! But, at the same time, I see the Android 2.3.4 has many features and animations better that the bada 2.0.1. It is gonna be a tough choice on what you want! I own both bada as well as Android smartphones...So i would love to have bada on my wave and android on my Galaxy SL! I can clearly see the difference and the competition

They won't release bada sourcecode, never.
Releasing sourcecode means losing control over software.
Also, they are using proprietary libs of many companies, for example QuRam, releasing source would be very long and expensive process.
Its possible to patch bada 2.0 kernel without sourcecode to get it working on SGS. But I don't believe anyone will do it.
Even if we find out bada 2 is nice OS, almost nobody will want it instead of Android - no devs (nerds?) ready to spent hundreds hours of their time just because of being kind.

Me and some others tried it because i wanted to help get android onto your devices. It is next to impossible at this point. I hope newer releases will become a little better
I would not say its out of question. But then again we always want and strive to get what others say is impossible. Its what built XDA after all
So yes i still look into it..and try and try. Maybe one day

Rebellos said:
They won't release bada sourcecode, never.
Releasing sourcecode means losing control over software.
Also, they are using proprietary libs of many companies, for example QuRam, releasing source would be very long and expensive process.
Its possible to patch bada 2.0 kernel without sourcecode to get it working on SGS. But I don't believe anyone will do it.
Even if we find out bada 2 is nice OS, almost nobody will want it instead of Android - no devs (nerds?) ready to spent hundreds hours of their time just because of being kind.
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i agree with you. at this stage i dont see any advantage of porting bada to galaxy. and yes there are two or three persons willing to have bada on it, but its not enough. maybe in future....

ok maybe, i would like see every os on every device, maybe this is a fact that everything makes sense, if everyone can choose everything it would be better, than i buy a device pay os license and if i dont like it use another. would be realy nice.

All things is't possible in development world

The possibility about porting iOS to Desire HD?

hi all,
I read this thread just now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857188
I wanna talk about the same thing but that thread has been closed.
According to some website, I found both G10 and iPhone4 are based on ARM architecture. I have use IDA to analyse some files in iOS 4.2.1 update packages and I found it use ARM7 instruction set. So I think there is still some possibility to port iOS kernel to G10. Is there anyone who also interested on this? Could you tell me something useful about this project? Thanks a lot.
BTW: If you think this post makes no means, please do not laugh at me as the guys who has done this in the thread above. I only talk about my idea. Although this idea maybe impossible to be implemented. I hope you can give me some adivse, information or others, not your ridicule. Thanks in advance.

It's about as likely as getting windows phone 7 to work on the DHD. Without the source it's probably an impossible undertaking as the kernel will need to be rewritten with the correct hooks and drivers to work on the DHD.
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It's about as likely as getting windows phone 7 to work on the DHD. Without the source it's probably an impossible undertaking as the kernel will need to be rewritten with the correct hooks and drivers to work on the DHD.
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Yes, I was agree with your opinion. The driver is really needed to be written for a new device. But for some basic peripheral such as touch-screen, may have a common driver between iphone and desire hd?

jilingshu said:
Yes, I was agree with your opinion. The driver is really needed to be written for a new device. But for some basic peripheral such as touch-screen, may have a common driver between iphone and desire hd?
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Highly unlikely in my opinion, if you want iOs on your phone buy an iphone.
BTW I'm sure if you did manage the port you would be unable to connect to iTunes to install apps so would be restricted to clydia etc

ghostofcain said:
Highly unlikely in my opinion, if you want iOs on your phone buy an iphone.
BTW I'm sure if you did manage the port you would be unable to connect to iTunes to install apps so would be restricted to clydia etc
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I just discuss about the possibility and gather information about this. So, do not suggest me to buy a iPhone. BTW: I'd like to buy a iPad2 when it released.

Why would you want iOS on a DHD?
That would be a downgrade

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Why would you want iOS on a DHD?
That would be a downgrade
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Nowadays Android can run well on iPhone. So why not try to port iOS to Android phone?

I think a major issue would be the screen resolution; the DHD runs at 800x480 and the iphone4 runs at something like 960x640 this would mean that everything would just be wrong, and most probably wouldn't do anything at all. I don't think that it would really be viable for a dev to work on something like this, especially as quite a few of us (me for example) moved away from iOS for Android.

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I think a major issue would be the screen resolution; the DHD runs at 800x480 and the iphone4 runs at something like 960x640 this would mean that everything would just be wrong, and most probably wouldn't do anything at all. I don't think that it would really be viable for a dev to work on something like this, especially as quite a few of us (me for example) moved away from iOS for Android.
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hmm... Resolution is a issue only for application developers... It should not be a problem for kernel porting I think.

i have been highly involved in OSX86 which is where you are porting mac osx to work on windows machines and from that, i can safely say that this project would involve so much work that you are essentially rewriting the whole OS

panyan said:
i have been highly involved in OSX86 which is where you are porting mac osx to work on windows machines and from that, i can safely say that this project would involve so much work that you are essentially rewriting the whole OS
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Yes. To driver the peripheral device, we have to write all the driver or at least, modify the original driver. Without the source code, this would be too hard.
BTW: Is it possible for us to port xnu(or the kernel of mac os x) to ARM platform just as iOS do?

And why would you want to
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you don't have iOS source right, you will have to disassemble and go thorugh lots of code, replace a lot of things, then fix so that every thing works in a flow..
This will take years! with no assurance of success again. you may also have to find security holes in iOS again to load it on a different phone.
If you had the source then few months!

Not to mention a possible law suit from Apple.

Hi folks.....it s possible have dualboot on DHD?how to install win7 on DHD? It s possible porting os6 of blackberry on DHD or HD2? thanks.....

^^^^ no its not possible right to put up Win7 on DHD! don't think anybody is going to work on that also.

But Win7 is ported to HD2, or not? Correct me, if i'm wrong. And if it's ported to HD2, it should be possible to port it to the DHD.

I think the problem is only the boot not the porting....because on the HD2 is possible load win7, linux, winxp, android, ecc ecc.....

IOs is like having an Sexually transmitted disease like chlamydia
Its common amongst people and has bad effects on the market.

fkofilee said:
IOs is like having an Sexually transmitted disease like chlamydia
Its common amongst people and has bad effects on the market.
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Ok,epic!
Anyway,why would anyone want iOS?I find it pure bs.But even if there was a way and a reason,would porting it be important enough to put you against Apple?Because,and excuse me everyone for the language I use,the bastards over at apple can sue you for naming a product with an "i" in front!