Hi All
Is it possible, that will come an Windows Phone 7 rom on the HTC desire???
No development and posted before: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814839
That would be nice!
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mission impossible
Okay, here's the question that appears in most of these threads:
...Why would you want an inferior OS installed on top of Android?
I had a play with wp7 the other day, on the outside it seemed very very sleek and user friendly but when you read the reviews about what is missing.... urg. Its like going back to basics
Moved to Q&A. As was stated in the thread title, this is a question, so it should not be posted in development.
TermyJW said:
...Why would you want an inferior OS installed on top of Android?
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Inferiority is in the eye of the beholder. So please don't state an opinion as being fact. Some of us just like to try different things, whether it be roms or OSs.
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PinkySlayer said:
Inferiority is in the eye of the beholder. So please don't state an opinion as being fact. Some of us just like to try different things, whether it be roms or OSs.
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Thats not true, wp7 is inferior to android in every respect, it might look deep, but if you read up on all.the things ms has left out, it can barely be called a smartphone os, more like a feature phone......
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WP7 is effectively a brand new OS (primarily because the previous versions were so awful) so it is bound to be lacking in some areas. But compare Android v1 to WP7 v1 and the comparison isn't so favourable. M$ are sometimes slow to join the party, but give them time and the will give android a damned good run for its money.
But put all that aside, it all comes down to personal preference. I have worked with Windows since 3.1 and although I have tried various favours of Linux, I don't "get it". I used iOS for 18 months b4 Android and Android is inferior in many ways, but it comes down to personal preference.
And remember, XDA Developers was originally a Windows Mobile forum, so don't be so closed minded about people's individual choices.
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PinkySlayer said:
WP7 is effectively a brand new OS (primarily because the previous versions were so awful) so it is bound to be lacking in some areas. But compare Android v1 to WP7 v1 and the comparison isn't so favourable.
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Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
On topic.. it's impossible and I agree that the interest to put inferior OS is really low. Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it. For those I don't think any dev would go the hard way of porting WP7 to Desire.
ljesh said:
Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
On topic.. it's impossible and I agree that the interest to put inferior OS is really low. Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it. For those I don't think any dev would go the hard way of porting WP7 to Desire.
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Come on, you say that something is impossible on a developers forum?
There was a short youtube movie a few months back, which showed WP7 booting up on a HD2. So it's not impossible, it's just a question if there are some devs that want to put time in it
ljesh said:
Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
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And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
The point is, some of us would love to experiment with different OSs but don't want to, or can't afford to buy new hardware to do so. Whereas some other people are so blinkered that they think Android is the ultimatimate OS - this is a subjective decision based on personal preference, not an absolute quantifiable fact.
ljesh said:
Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it
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In your opinion. As I said before, this was a Windows Mobile forum long before it incorporated other OSs and devices, but you wouldn't know that as you've only been on here for a year or so.
PinkySlayer said:
And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
The point is, some of us would love to experiment with different OSs but don't want to, or can't afford to buy new hardware to do so. Whereas some other people are so blinkered that they think Android is the ultimatimate OS - this is a subjective decision based on personal preference, not an absolute quantifiable fact.
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your missing the point totally, im no fanboy trust me, but although android is based on an established os, it it googles first attempt at creating an operating system where as microsoft have been doing this for well over a decade. anyway my point is android is a smartphone os, all microsoft have created is a ms iphone, wp7 is not a smartphone os more like a feature phone os, windows mobile was more like the pc version of windows, where as wp7 is just a microsoft phone, it leaves little for developers to create, as they have to do this and that and plaster ms all over the place just like apple enforce with the iphone.
android has alot more scope for development and alot more freedom for developers to develop there ideas. anyway the bottom line is wp7 is not open source, there will never be any source code available for it, this makes porting it an almost impossible task, i dare say i could count the people on 1 hand that have the ability to do this task
ps ive been on here for alot longer than may 10, i changed my tag when i moved to android, my first device was a htc kaiser
Call me Mr Argumentative, but...
AndroHero said:
your missing the point totally, im no fanboy trust me, but although android is based on an established os, it it googles first attempt at creating an operating system
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Google didn't create an OS, they ported an established one.
AndroHero said:
anyway my point is android is a smartphone os, all microsoft have created is a ms iphone, wp7 is not a smartphone os more like a feature phone os
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Definition of smartphone: "A smartphone is a mobile phone offering advanced capabilities, often with PC-like functionality".
Definition of feature phone: "A mobile phone or mobile (also called cellphone and handphone) is an electronic device used for mobile telecommunications (mobile telephone, text messaging or data transmission)"
I think that your understanding of these terms is way off.
AndroHero said:
it leaves little for developers to create, as they have to do this and that and plaster ms all over the place just like apple enforce with the iphone. android has alot more scope for development and alot more freedom for developers to develop there ideas.
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You seem to suggest that a smartphone needsto be opensource whereas most smartphone OSs are in fact proprietary, e.g. Blackberry, iOS, WebOS, BadaOS and before Symbian went open source a year ago, closed source would have accounted for about 80% of the market!
AndroHero said:
anyway the bottom line is wp7 is not open source, there will never be any source code available for it, this makes porting it an almost impossible task, i dare say i could count the people on 1 hand that have the ability to do this task
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Fair comment, but it would still be very cool.
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And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
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I think you will find that WP7 is based on Windows CE 6, with some elements from the forthcoming CE 7. So not at all new really considering that CE 6 dates from 2006!
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Dave
You are correct, it is a CE6/CE7 hybrid, so it has much in common with Android in that they are new platforms based on existing underlying technology. Shud have checked my facts on that one.
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People who say that it isn't possible, check here:
WP7 running on the HD2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832533
Lennyz1988 said:
People who say that it isn't possible, check here:
WP7 running on the HD2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832533
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There's potentially a very big difference!
The existing WM bootloader (IPL/SPL etc) on the HD2 may make it possible to boot WP7 on it. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it does seem quite likely to me. In addition, they are talking about this being an early build of WP7 - again, it's quite likely that the HD2 was used as a test platform for WP7.
That's not to say that it would be impossible to get WP7 running on a Desire, but it does given potential reason why it would be a lot harder than on the HD2.
Regards,
Dave
Related
I have created a small FAQ to address some common WP7 related questions, a little attempt to try to stop people from asking same questions over and over again. Maybe the moderators can put it as sticky?
Q: Can I run Windows phone 7 on my HD2?
A: No you can't! Microsoft have told multiple times that there won't be an upgrade for HD2.
Q: I have seen screenshots of HD2 running WP7, is it possible to run WP7 on my HD2?
A: This might have been a fake picture. And even if it's real there will be no ugprade coming from Microsoft.
Q: But on my HD2 box it's written I'll receive free upgrade to WP7!
A: Microsoft are writing drivers for WP7 devices so it depends on Microsoft and not on HDC. Microsoft said the HD2 won't run it!
Q: But the HD2 meets the minimum hardware requirements, can I run WP7 on it?
A: It's decided by Microsoft, it will NOT run!
Q: Recently a ROM of WP7 was leaked can you give me step by step instructions to put it on my phone?
A: Nothing was leaked. The only thing that happened is that someone extracted the emulator image from the new Windows phone SDK.
Q: So what? Can I run it on my phone now?
A: No!
Q: I downloaded the leaked ROM but I don't know how to run it!
A: There's no leaked ROM. Download the Windows phone SDK and run the emulator from your Visual Studio project.
Q: Now that we have the leaked ROM can I cook it on my Touch pro 2?
A: No!
Q: Can I simply put the leaked ROM in my kitchen with a little hacks here and there and run WP7?
A: There's no leaked ROM. And the emulator image is based on x86 CPU. Your device runs an ARM CPU.
Q: I seen the file structure is the same like in my kitchen. Give me step by step instructions to cook a WP7 ROM for my device!
A: No it's not possible!
Q: If we have a real WP7 device and extract the ROM can the great developers at XDA please out it on my HP IPAQ?
A: WP7 is based on a new kernel and you don't have WP7 drivers for your device. It won't be possible to run WP7 on any older device.
Q: But I have bought a brand new HD2 and they said WP7 upgrade is free!
A: If you don't have the WP7 drivers for HD2 then it's not possible at all!
Q: But the hackers at XDA can still do it?
A: Probably not!
Q: That sucks! I'll switch to Android.
A: Have a nice day, goodbye!
Q: But I have bought a brand new HD2 and they said WP7 upgrade is free!
A: If you don't have the WP7 drivers for HD2 then it's not possible at all!
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A: You will probably get a new WP7 device either free or discounted.
LOL @ half the FAQ being HD2 owners
Well it can't be taken seriously enough to be a sticky if it's an FAQ for idiots. Half the questions about an HD2 and the other half about a leaked ROM? It's humorous, but non-thick-headed people might have real actual questions about 7.
The picture was fake, not probably fake.. and that's not even necessary to say since the answer to the first question was NO.
Funny post though
Q: Can I run Windows phone 7 on my HD2?
There is no real information about upgrading the HTC HD2 at the moment. Rumors and the whole information over 60% - 80% is not real about WM7 on HTCH D2. The HTC can not disappoint so many customers because they will lose them as a result to lose million of money. The HTC will take the case very seriously. And from the other hand HTC and Microsoft have very good dealings they can't "destroy" this dealing for a WM Upgrade! Think about it.......
Q: I have seen screenshots of HD2 running WP7, is it possible to run WP7 on my HD2?
At the moment no.Maybe fake or early Beta Versions for HTC Corporations Beta Testers-Programmers......One God knows!
Q: But the HD2 meets the minimum hardware requirements, can I run WP7 on it?
The HTC HD2 hasn't any minimum hardware requirements the ONLY minimum hardware is graphic processor nothings else! (except the Microsoft decisions for 3 buttons etc..... ) The WM7 can't switch to no Graphics Mode from the settings (i just thought!) ??? We don't know!!!
Q: That sucks! I'll switch to Android.
Hey calm down!! You don't know if the information about upgrade will available for Nowadays HTC devices
Q: The above questions are really vague???
Yes with possibility up to 60%-70% the information are really vague.
Q: But on my HD2 box it's written I'll receive free upgrade to WP7!
Your answer is right at least 60%. If theres any disagreement between Microsoft and HTC. HTC would produce only Android phones no Wphones.
Q: But the hackers at XDA can still do it?
The problem always have a solution most of time. Maybe not hackers at XDA can't do it but another hackers can do it...... vague that!!
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Well it can't be taken seriously enough to be a sticky if it's an FAQ for idiots. Half the questions about an HD2 and the other half about a leaked ROM? It's humorous, but non-thick-headed people might have real actual questions about 7.
The picture was fake, not probably fake.. and that's not even necessary to say since the answer to the first question was NO.
Funny post though
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The above questions are somewhat vague and you can't answer them by my opinion It's very very very very and 1 million very early for microsoft to take these decisions!! The WM7 it still fresh beta version.......Just think it......
Peace
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Very funny, ymmd
RAMMANN said:
Q: But the HD2 meets the minimum hardware requirements, can I run WP7 on it?
A: It's decided by Microsoft, it will NOT run!
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A better answer to that might be to point out that the HD2 doesn't meet the minimum hardware requirements.
It doesn't have a search button. Arguably it doesn't have a dedicated power button. It doesn't have a hardware camera button. It has only half a gigabyte of onboard flash, when the minimum amount needed is 8GB. It has an SD card reader which is banned on WP7S devices. There are also question-marks over whether it has the necessary "hardware scaler" (which apparently is distinct from the GPU) and, more seriously, whether its touch-screen is capable of registering the required four independent points of contact or only two.
burnblue said:
Well it can't be taken seriously enough to be a sticky if it's an FAQ for idiots. Half the questions about an HD2 and the other half about a leaked ROM? It's humorous, but non-thick-headed people might have real actual questions about 7.
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True, although I'd make this a real rule:
RAMMANN said:
Q: That sucks! I'll switch to Android.
A: Have a nice day, goodbye!
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And also would make that goodbye permanent in case someone breaks it. These posts are annoying as hell. Like threatening me that someone is switching to whatever OS has any meaning at all. I don't give a damn, and I'm here to read about WP7, really.
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A better answer to that might be to point out that the HD2 doesn't meet the minimum hardware requirements.
It doesn't have a search button. Arguably it doesn't have a dedicated power button. It doesn't have a hardware camera button. It has only half a gigabyte of onboard flash, when the minimum amount needed is 8GB. It has an SD card reader which is banned on WP7S devices. There are also question-marks over whether it has the necessary "hardware scaler" (which apparently is distinct from the GPU) and, more seriously, whether its touch-screen is capable of registering the required four independent points of contact or only two.
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Yes, it doesn't meet the minimum requirements, but people keep saying it does.
I'm not an owner of a HD2 device but even if I had one I wouldn't be so sissy about it. It's a WM 6.5 device and that's it. WP7 is a completely new chapter! It's meant to be a new OS and not only an update. And even if we already figured out what the kernel and OS structure is still somewhat similar from what we have now..... it doesn't change a thing!
Today I read the emulator is unlocked. Great! But in the next post I had to read the same nonsene again "Can I put it on my device now?"
GRRRRRRMMMMM!!!!
Why don't they just GET IT????
To be fair, another very frequently asked question is:
Q: lolz, why u wnt WP7S on HD2, it sux0rs, u r all idiots, no wun eva sed HD2 wud have WP7 n e way why don you all just sht up?!?!?! lolz
or words to that effect. The answer would be something like:
Some people feel that HTC implied that there would be a WP7 upgrade for the HD2, and that HTC has broken its promises. Most people, however, are more annoyed about the impact of the WP7 announcement on WM6.x.
When we bought our HD2's just a couple of months ago, no one could have guessed that WP7 would not be backwards-compatible with WM6.x - in other words that no WM6.x application would run on WP7. The effect of this is that, from the moment of the announcement, W6.x became a dead platform as far as commercial software development is concerned. Of course, hobbyist development will continue; but there is no longer any good reason for commercial software houses to produce new products or updates for WM6.x; instead they will jump straight to WP7S.
We are already seeing this with a number of major companies, for example Skype, Adobe (who have cancelled their FlashPlayer project for WM6.x) and even Microsoft (who have have recently announced a new version of Silverlight for the platform Symbian, but decided not to do so for Windows Mobile).
HTC must have known this would happen at the time the HD2 first went on sale, but conveniently neglected to mention it to anyone, which has made a lot of people angry. A free upgrade to WP7S might have gone some way towards compensating.
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I think it's name must be VistaMobile not WP7
Very good all these, but Microsoft didn't ask HD2 owners if they want to run series 7 at them devices
Me and meny other owners we say NO, WE DIDN'T LIKE SERIES 7
We prefer our Leo like it is, with windows 6.5 or 6.5.3 and the HTC Sense which it is match more practical than the blue doors of series 7 and has better graphics.
We prefer to have copy paste, multi tasking, unlocked os, so as to put anything we want.
I had iPhone 3g and 3Gs before. I come back at WM because of these stupid restrictions, which they are only to make as to buy stupid apps from them stores.
If I must accept something like that, I prefer to original, I mean apple
MS the last years lost the most of the smartphone users. Only powers users continue with WM because of HTC no because Microsoft.
With series 7, they open the door for us also.
We are not at the them target plan, but they are not also at our plan.
The new users which they will come at the smartphones, they will have to choice between a new windows os and a famous iPhone os which after 3 years experience and millions sales will be better.
What you thing they will choice?
Microsoft made a big mistake. If they had an other way can win very easy all the disappointment iPhone and droid users, and after that the most of the new users which they will follow the new wave.
We will see after some months who is right.
Windows 7 --> EVO 4G
Forgive me for my ignorance on the issue. Based on the info posted here, I understand that one of the impediments to WP7-->HD2 is the lack of WP7 drivers for the HD2.
Then, is it safe to say that WP7-->EVO 4G will be in the same boat? Or will it be even worse off? Does it matter that the EVO 4G is an Android phone? Will that make it any harder to install WP7 on that device? Or would it present the exact same difficulties as installing WP7 on the HD2?
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Very good all these, but Microsoft didn't ask HD2 owners if they want to run series 7 at them devices
Me and meny other owners we say NO, WE DIDN'T LIKE SERIES 7
We prefer our Leo like it is, with windows 6.5 or 6.5.3 and the HTC Sense which it is match more practical than the blue doors of series 7 and has better graphics.
We prefer to have copy paste, multi tasking, unlocked os, so as to put anything we want.
I had iPhone 3g and 3Gs before. I come back at WM because of these stupid restrictions, which they are only to make as to buy stupid apps from them stores.
If I must accept something like that, I prefer to original, I mean apple
MS the last years lost the most of the smartphone users. Only powers users continue with WM because of HTC no because Microsoft.
With series 7, they open the door for us also.
We are not at the them target plan, but they are not also at our plan.
The new users which they will come at the smartphones, they will have to choice between a new windows os and a famous iPhone os which after 3 years experience and millions sales will be better.
What you thing they will choice?
Microsoft made a big mistake. If they had an other way can win very easy all the disappointment iPhone and droid users, and after that the most of the new users which they will follow the new wave.
We will see after some months who is right.
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+ 1. I couldnt agree more ...
I like to try wp7 for a while, but I'm pretty sure that i'll stick to 6.5 for at least a few years until microsoft improves it
on my opion, WM is my top choice, android? may be in the future
the no.1 advantages for WM is the register, however it is fat, and it is contains hard understanding digits, but this is the way we can modify the system, even something on the base. only WM supports modify register by handset users.
someone says andorid is open source, but i dont believe it is the keyword. WM is brother of WINDOWS, every app developer could use their tool to develop WM apps. For example, Visual Studio has WM compiler.
WM supports modify desktop themes, includ background, tool bars, and soft keys, i think almost handset users could use WM as normally without manila.
WM has too many levels of menu on system setting, but we always find what we want in the end, but android doesnt give us this.
on other hand, android's app is developing very fast, because it is open source, absolutely free, but android has too many things should learn from WM. app market and open source are good idea, but operating system is the keyword.
why WM still losing market? 64k color screen, tardy in app market, expensive handset especially in developing countries, no multi-touch and so on. but WM is the best operating system ever i used, sybian is very silly in touch screen, iphone os doesnt support multi-task.
may be android is my future choice couple years later, but now, WM is my choice.
this is my personal opion, i hope everyone discuss with me as a gentle. thanx
......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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windows phone 7 disable install by cab and external sd is worst idea, large pre-installed ssd should rise handset's price, will loose huge market in developing countries.
windows phone 7 is closer to stupid iphone os, no external sd, no cab, no modified desktop. so sad
froyo is next generation android, i haven't try that, but i hope it will be more tasty.
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windows phone 7 disable install by cab and external sd is worst idea, large pre-installed ssd should rise handset's price, will loose huge market in developing countries.
windows phone 7 is closer to stupid iphone os, no external sd, no cab, no modified desktop. so sad
froyo is next generation android, i haven't try that, but i hope it will be more tasty.
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I agree, I believe android is the OS of tomorrow. I mean, eventually Google will own everything right? I've got my eye on the Dell Streak.
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I agree, I believe android is the OS of tomorrow. I mean, eventually Google will own everything right? I've got my eye on the Dell Streak.
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if android supports modify register (or something like register), my next handset should be that...hah
i hope VODAFONE NZ will release more android or WM handsets, they only focus on sybian and iphone,......... bloody hell
Android actually has a future
I love WM, but this is the last of the operating system as we know it. As a noob, I have done more with this phone than I ever thought was possible. Window Phone 7 won't allow us to do the things we have done with 6.5. Also, now with Microsoft changing the game, there will be no new apps developed for 6.5. The iPhone offers no freedom. Microsoft is following Apple in suit, limiting freedom. I don't understand Symbian. Palm is dead. So, my next handset will be an Android. I'm sure next to Apple, Andoid will be #2 system to develop for.
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......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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The only problem with that is they hafta get apple's tit outta their mouth first and as long as they are pushing the iPhone you can forget it.
Just my 2cents
03hdfatboy said:
The only problem with that is they hafta get apple's tit outta their mouth first and as long as they are pushing the iPhone you can forget it.
Just my 2cents
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iphone is too expensive, some of my friends are using iphone now, i tried that, looks like handy gameboy.
tekgurl said:
I love WM, but this is the last of the operating system as we know it. As a noob, I have done more with this phone than I ever thought was possible. Window Phone 7 won't allow us to do the things we have done with 6.5. Also, now with Microsoft changing the game, there will be no new apps developed for 6.5. The iPhone offers no freedom. Microsoft is following Apple in suit, limiting freedom. I don't understand Symbian. Palm is dead. So, my next handset will be an Android. I'm sure next to Apple, Andoid will be #2 system to develop for.
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sybian is stupid as well, i tried 5800XM, bull**** touch screen UI. also i hate the certificate about app installation. S40 is good os, but s60 is bloody silly.
dressanderc said:
......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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yeah..me too..hah
TP2 is my last WM handset, sure it
tekgurl said:
... Palm is dead. So, my next handset will be an Android. I'm sure next to Apple, Andoid will be #2 system to develop for.
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Palm was purchased by HP for several hundred million. Rumor is that WebOS will be used on a tablet HP will put out later this or early next year.
Had N1 for 3 months now. Decided to stop by my old TP2 forum.. hehe.
I'll be short. I'd gladly spend another $600 and sell my last pair of socks to go from WM to Android device.
If you're still on TP2.. I dunno what to say not to make you feel bad... but seriously, throw that **** out the window and get an android phone, even G1 is better than anything WM-based.
I'm saying that as a guy who had WM phone since 4.0, back on Cingular 6125 (or w/e it was).
P.S: and trust me, the xdandroid that runs on TP2's flimsy hardware is nothing in comparison to a proper android device.
There. My $.02.
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I agree, I believe android is the OS of tomorrow. I mean, eventually Google will own everything right? I've got my eye on the Dell Streak.
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Nah, I've got MY EYE on the Dell Streak. Lol. Find ur own new ultimate tech device. Juss kidding. We on da same page. I can't wait till it drops. There's nothin out there touching it at the moment, That's a tablet and a phone and has dual cam ;P
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Nah, I've got MY EYE on the Dell Streak. Lol. Find ur own new ultimate tech device. Juss kidding. We on da same page. I can't wait till it drops. There's nothin out there touching it at the moment, That's a tablet and a phone and has dual cam ;P
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I'm looking at the Samsung Galaxy S (if it gets quickly rooted and can flash custom roms) or the Aava Mobile dev phone with the intel moorestown soc (which runs Meego and Android natively. WIN!).
I think both of these phones have advantages over the Streak.
Speaking of tablet/phones, have you seen the S7? Makes the streak it's lil biotch. lol
I wouldn't get either personally.
bestfan said:
if android supports modify register (or something like register), my next handset should be that...hah
i hope VODAFONE NZ will release more android or WM handsets, they only focus on sybian and iphone,......... bloody hell
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Yes, it's called Linux. If ADB, recovery, SU and Busybox are working on a rooted Android phone, there's an amazing about of customization, fixes, etc (like regedit kinda) that can be done in Android.
There's even desktop apps that will let you modify android apps and let you push them back to the phone.
bestfan said:
the no.1 advantages for WM is the register, however it is fat, and it is contains hard understanding digits, but this is the way we can modify the system, even something on the base. only WM supports modify register by handset users.
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LOL, I find that hilarious, because I find WM and windows's largest DISADVANTAGE/disaster is the registry. *nix is fully customizable/editable like windows, and arguably much more logical/less of a clusterf**k than the registry. I think WM is all but dead at this point. WM7 looks pretty weak, and android has already surpassed WM6.5 in a short time.
I have a tilt2, and there's no doubt my next phone WILL be an android phone. WM is a walking zombie at this point in my mind.
When you get right down to the ACTUAL subject of this section, the clear winner TODAY is WM. While Android may be the future, WM is far more capable out of the box than Android; case in point, Exchange Sync. Granted, there are a growing number of apps available which help to level things a bit, the question was about the O/S's not them and app support. And the comment about the difference in hardware, well look at the EVO and HD2.
Now, I have no idea what the future will bring, but I do know that today, as a business user, Android does not meet all my needs. Those that will argue this will start with the apps available, which actually serves to make my point.
I am in this forum because of this question, but will make my own determination which suites me better and won't get caught up in any of the hype.
hvbelton said:
When you get right down to the ACTUAL subject of this section, the clear winner TODAY is WM. While Android may be the future, WM is far more capable out of the box than Android; case in point, Exchange Sync. Granted, there are a growing number of apps available which help to level things a bit, the question was about the O/S's not them and app support. And the comment about the difference in hardware, well look at the EVO and HD2.
Now, I have no idea what the future will bring, but I do know that today, as a business user, Android does not meet all my needs. Those that will argue this will start with the apps available, which actually serves to make my point.
I am in this forum because of this question, but will make my own determination which suites me better and won't get caught up in any of the hype.
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I don't know how "more capable" somehow equates to simple Exchange support, but if that's all that matters then RIM > Everyone else.
How about pointing to some other areas where WM is the "clear" winner? Because I can definitely point to many areas where Android trumps WM. Thanks for playing though.
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
Considering that WM7 is about 4-6 months out from even being released, it is probably a little silly to be talking about this right now.
Housoft said:
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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Or seeing WinMo 6.x on the EVO
timothydonohue said:
chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
Thank you for the valid responses I'm just trying to wrap my head around the cell phone scene so the input was much appreciated.
To the others, well, thank you for trolling. Who woulda thought that a legitimate question located in the legitimate forum would be so ridiculously stupid, amirite?
ok i will be the first
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
there is the OS Licensing cost.
as i understand it, Android is free (more free beer than free speech but that's a different thread). Microsoft is not ever free.
hence, if you hack android you're a potential nerd...if you hack windows you're a potential criminal.
kinda the same reason we don't put the apple os on devices...it's closed source.
oh yeah...and then there is the most important question... why would you want to defile your EVO like that?
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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not correct. WinMo7 is using ARM instructions just the same as WinMo6, WinMo5, 2003, Android, and everyone else unless you know something I don't.
Even further WinMo7 will most likely run on Snapdragon chips... so we can pull the necessary drivers from other systems.
The only thing that would be needed is either a haRET style bootloader but for WinMo or a dual bootloader that can load either WinMo7 or Android.
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg
I actually choked up when I saw this....
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http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg
I actually choked up when I saw this....
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While I understand the reasons why they won't release Honeycomb code, Open means OPEN. My feelings are conflicted on this one.
They're delaying the release of the code and this has been taken way out of context.
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I may be exagerating my dissapointment, but this is just so taboo for google.... In all reality a closed source android is a second class ios... And when wp7 gains more momentum android wouldnt even be a consideration for me if they continued to not release source codes....
Then again, this probably is being taken out of context... Only time will tell I suppose
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If they named it TabOS 1.0 instead of Android 3.0 people wouldnt have this bizarre obsession with putting it on their phones. I for one don't want a tablet OS on my phone, it a phone OS on my tablet. Apple does it but it's dumb IMHO.
Frankly I wish tablets would go away anyways.
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what??? 2nd class os????
and if it is "closed".. going to wp7 will be different? how so???
this just does not make any sense
This as well as the engadget article bring up the point of google not wanting the reverse of what happened with froyo and manufacturers putting it on devices it's not meant for. Google cites they want to give the best experience to the customers; which means the 99% of users who don't come to xda. Unfortunately the lack of source code also effects us who want to put hc on our phones, optimized or not -especially since the devs here would optimize it. But a flood of smaller oem phones/small tablets that aren't designed for hc would just be crap.
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what??? 2nd class os????
and if it is "closed".. going to wp7 will be different? how so???
this just does not make any sense
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WP7 & iOS = integrated experiences. They are optimized for specific hardware releases and have controlled updates. Which is why a lot of people are drawn to the Nexus phones.
wp7 and ios are closed...
he is leaving because it is closed (if it is closed) .. to another closed os.. which has yet to prove itself as a contender to de-throne android.
android is the top os.. and he thinks it is 2nd class.
but whatever.. see ya...
WP7 is the most boring and silly looking mobile OS on the market right now imo. And I agree with whoever said they should rename honeycomb, because its really not necessary on phones. Gingerbread is fine.
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WP7 & iOS = integrated experiences. They are optimized for specific hardware releases and have controlled updates. Which is why a lot of people are drawn to the Nexus phones.
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Not to mention they each have there niche. WP7 with its integration with xbox live PLUS they have openly admitted that they are trying to workout a mutual relationship with "hackers" aka "us"....
There really isn't a need to explain what advantages ios has. I'm android all the way but i'm not arrogant enough to believe that ios isn't one hell of an os and that the iphone isn't a great piece of hardware....
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If they named it TabOS 1.0 instead of Android 3.0 people wouldnt have this bizarre obsession with putting it on their phones. I for one don't want a tablet OS on my phone, it a phone OS on my tablet. Apple does it but it's dumb IMHO.
Frankly I wish tablets would go away anyways.
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my concern isn't that we won't be able to put honeycomb on our phones, didn't realize I even implied that... I'm just worried about this reoccurring in the future and possibly affecting future phone updates... I don't want a tablet os on my phone neither, but I also don't want a closed source phone (if I did i'd go to the iphone in a heart beat.)
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my concern isn't that we won't be able to put honeycomb on our phones, didn't realize I even implied that... I'm just worried about this reoccurring in the future and possibly affecting future phone updates... I don't want a tablet os on my phone neither, but I also don't want a closed source phone (if I did i'd go to the iphone in a heart beat.)
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You didn't imply it. It's in the article. Google cited it as one of the reasons for the delay.
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wp7 and ios are closed...
he is leaving because it is closed (if it is closed) .. to another closed os.. which has yet to prove itself as a contender to de-throne android.
android is the top os.. and he thinks it is 2nd class.
but whatever.. see ya...
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lol. Where is the justification for anything you're saying? Did you actually read my post or just skim through the title?
The part about not being able to port Honeycomb to phones doesn't really bother me as it's not designed for phones and may not run properly.
However, the real slight in this is Honeycomb tablet owners. If I owned a Xoom, a supposed open Google experience device, I would be enraged at not being able to utilize custom roms by other developers.
This essentially makes the fact that Motorola and Google opted to not include a bootloader in the Xoom worthless.
Similarly, with any Honeycomb tablets, including the upcoming LG and Samsung varieties, you'll essentially be running closed-off systems with no chance of custom roms.
I wasn't planning on buying a Honeycomb tablet anytime soon, but this pretty much seals the deal.
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They're delaying the release of the code and this has been taken way out of context.
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+1000000000
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Dan330 said:
what??? 2nd class os????
and if it is "closed".. going to wp7 will be different? how so???
this just does not make any sense
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The implication is that, if the open aspect is taken out of android, and all we have left to compare the three (wp7, ios, and android), for some, android would no longer make the cut. And, in some ways, I tend to agree: most of what I love about my phone depends on having root access and source code.
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You didn't imply it. It's in the article. Google cited it as one of the reasons for the delay.
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yes, i'm aware of that...
I just think everybody is missing the point of Androidcentral and Engadget posting this article, as well as the purpose of this thread...
Here is my concern in bold for you guys who don't understand...
WHAT DOES THIS FORESHADOW FOR GOOGLE AND ANDROID AS AN OS? WE NEVER IN OUR WILDEST DREAMS THOUGHT THEY WOULD LOCK THE SOURCE CODE FOR ANYTHING WITH ANDROID OS. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY CAPABLE/WILLING TO DO?
That is my concern folks.... If you're viewing this thread or any android development forum then more than likely its because android is an open source project.
I'm sure this will still go over the trolls heads, but so be it.
3.0 is not closed!!! Google just doesn't want outside developers playing with their source code that they haven't had time to optimize for smart phones.
Basically Google is baking ice cream 2.4 and wants us to get that first. Why would they release 3.0 which is "supposedly " just for tablets when they have put time and money into 2.4 specifically for smartphones. They have phones planned to run on stock off of that. If Google releases 3.0 why would people want to buy "downgraded " software on a flagship phone. Its all just business.
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Will never ever be closed this is how android became what it is now and how it will dominate the future.
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aray92 said:
3.0 is not closed!!! Google just doesn't want outside developers playing with their source code that they haven't had time to optimize for smart phones.
Basically Google is baking ice cream 2.4 and wants us to get that first. Why would they release 3.0 which is "supposedly " just for tablets when they have put time and money into 2.4 specifically for smartphones. They have phones planned to run on stock off of that. If Google releases 3.0 why would people want to buy "downgraded " software on a flagship phone. Its all just business.
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Will never ever be closed this is how android became what it is now and how it will dominate the future.
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I hope what you are saying is correct... at least for our sake
hi, i was wondering if there is any possible way to dual boot windows mobile and android on the desire hd? if not, are there any plans by the xda developers to pursue this issu?
Thank you
+1 I want windows mobile on my DHD only because I love the mod.
Sorry but I doute this will happen, though we have many talented ROM developers on here WinMo is closed source, thus not allowed on our devices. In contrast android is open source that is why other phones have both if they're licensed. It could happen but it won't happen here.
Again sorry to dispoint would of loved to try Windows Phone 7
WindowsMobile is impossible. WP7 is possible since hardware are almost identical, even same digitalizers...
StCory said:
Sorry but I doute this will happen, though we have many talented ROM developers on here WinMo is closed source, thus not allowed on our devices. In contrast android is open source that is why other phones have both if they're licensed. It could happen but it won't happen here.
Again sorry to dispoint would of loved to try Windows Phone 7
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yeah its kind of dissapointing, and it does make sense. well thanks for ur help
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WindowsMobile is impossible. WP7 is possible since hardware are almost identical, even same digitalizers...
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I think he meant impossible from the legal point of view, because Microsoft would sue XDA and shut it down. I'm still hoping someone releases a dual boot anonymously.