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WinMo 7 on my EVO?

Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?

Considering that WM7 is about 4-6 months out from even being released, it is probably a little silly to be talking about this right now.

Housoft said:
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.

You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.

MrDSL said:
You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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Or seeing WinMo 6.x on the EVO

timothydonohue said:
chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.

Thank you for the valid responses I'm just trying to wrap my head around the cell phone scene so the input was much appreciated.
To the others, well, thank you for trolling. Who woulda thought that a legitimate question located in the legitimate forum would be so ridiculously stupid, amirite?

ok i will be the first
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

there is the OS Licensing cost.
as i understand it, Android is free (more free beer than free speech but that's a different thread). Microsoft is not ever free.
hence, if you hack android you're a potential nerd...if you hack windows you're a potential criminal.
kinda the same reason we don't put the apple os on devices...it's closed source.
oh yeah...and then there is the most important question... why would you want to defile your EVO like that?

Junon said:
This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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SharkUW said:
Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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not correct. WinMo7 is using ARM instructions just the same as WinMo6, WinMo5, 2003, Android, and everyone else unless you know something I don't.
Even further WinMo7 will most likely run on Snapdragon chips... so we can pull the necessary drivers from other systems.
The only thing that would be needed is either a haRET style bootloader but for WinMo or a dual bootloader that can load either WinMo7 or Android.

[Q] wp7 on android

Hi All
Is it possible, that will come an Windows Phone 7 rom on the HTC desire???

No development and posted before: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814839

That would be nice!
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mission impossible

Okay, here's the question that appears in most of these threads:
...Why would you want an inferior OS installed on top of Android?

I had a play with wp7 the other day, on the outside it seemed very very sleek and user friendly but when you read the reviews about what is missing.... urg. Its like going back to basics

Moved to Q&A. As was stated in the thread title, this is a question, so it should not be posted in development.

TermyJW said:
...Why would you want an inferior OS installed on top of Android?
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Inferiority is in the eye of the beholder. So please don't state an opinion as being fact. Some of us just like to try different things, whether it be roms or OSs.
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PinkySlayer said:
Inferiority is in the eye of the beholder. So please don't state an opinion as being fact. Some of us just like to try different things, whether it be roms or OSs.
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Thats not true, wp7 is inferior to android in every respect, it might look deep, but if you read up on all.the things ms has left out, it can barely be called a smartphone os, more like a feature phone......
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WP7 is effectively a brand new OS (primarily because the previous versions were so awful) so it is bound to be lacking in some areas. But compare Android v1 to WP7 v1 and the comparison isn't so favourable. M$ are sometimes slow to join the party, but give them time and the will give android a damned good run for its money.
But put all that aside, it all comes down to personal preference. I have worked with Windows since 3.1 and although I have tried various favours of Linux, I don't "get it". I used iOS for 18 months b4 Android and Android is inferior in many ways, but it comes down to personal preference.
And remember, XDA Developers was originally a Windows Mobile forum, so don't be so closed minded about people's individual choices.
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PinkySlayer said:
WP7 is effectively a brand new OS (primarily because the previous versions were so awful) so it is bound to be lacking in some areas. But compare Android v1 to WP7 v1 and the comparison isn't so favourable.
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Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
On topic.. it's impossible and I agree that the interest to put inferior OS is really low. Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it. For those I don't think any dev would go the hard way of porting WP7 to Desire.

ljesh said:
Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
On topic.. it's impossible and I agree that the interest to put inferior OS is really low. Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it. For those I don't think any dev would go the hard way of porting WP7 to Desire.
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Come on, you say that something is impossible on a developers forum?
There was a short youtube movie a few months back, which showed WP7 booting up on a HD2. So it's not impossible, it's just a question if there are some devs that want to put time in it

ljesh said:
Why would I compare Android V1 to WP7? Android V1 with WP1, maybe, but if you want to tell me that WP7, after so many editions/versions, is similar to Android V1, that is one huge fail my friend.
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And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
The point is, some of us would love to experiment with different OSs but don't want to, or can't afford to buy new hardware to do so. Whereas some other people are so blinkered that they think Android is the ultimatimate OS - this is a subjective decision based on personal preference, not an absolute quantifiable fact.
ljesh said:
Those are very few people that would have it installed (if it was possible) and soon after remove it
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In your opinion. As I said before, this was a Windows Mobile forum long before it incorporated other OSs and devices, but you wouldn't know that as you've only been on here for a year or so.

PinkySlayer said:
And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
The point is, some of us would love to experiment with different OSs but don't want to, or can't afford to buy new hardware to do so. Whereas some other people are so blinkered that they think Android is the ultimatimate OS - this is a subjective decision based on personal preference, not an absolute quantifiable fact.
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your missing the point totally, im no fanboy trust me, but although android is based on an established os, it it googles first attempt at creating an operating system where as microsoft have been doing this for well over a decade. anyway my point is android is a smartphone os, all microsoft have created is a ms iphone, wp7 is not a smartphone os more like a feature phone os, windows mobile was more like the pc version of windows, where as wp7 is just a microsoft phone, it leaves little for developers to create, as they have to do this and that and plaster ms all over the place just like apple enforce with the iphone.
android has alot more scope for development and alot more freedom for developers to develop there ideas. anyway the bottom line is wp7 is not open source, there will never be any source code available for it, this makes porting it an almost impossible task, i dare say i could count the people on 1 hand that have the ability to do this task
ps ive been on here for alot longer than may 10, i changed my tag when i moved to android, my first device was a htc kaiser

Call me Mr Argumentative, but...
AndroHero said:
your missing the point totally, im no fanboy trust me, but although android is based on an established os, it it googles first attempt at creating an operating system
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Google didn't create an OS, they ported an established one.
AndroHero said:
anyway my point is android is a smartphone os, all microsoft have created is a ms iphone, wp7 is not a smartphone os more like a feature phone os
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Definition of smartphone: "A smartphone is a mobile phone offering advanced capabilities, often with PC-like functionality".
Definition of feature phone: "A mobile phone or mobile (also called cellphone and handphone) is an electronic device used for mobile telecommunications (mobile telephone, text messaging or data transmission)"
I think that your understanding of these terms is way off.
AndroHero said:
it leaves little for developers to create, as they have to do this and that and plaster ms all over the place just like apple enforce with the iphone. android has alot more scope for development and alot more freedom for developers to develop there ideas.
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You seem to suggest that a smartphone needsto be opensource whereas most smartphone OSs are in fact proprietary, e.g. Blackberry, iOS, WebOS, BadaOS and before Symbian went open source a year ago, closed source would have accounted for about 80% of the market!
AndroHero said:
anyway the bottom line is wp7 is not open source, there will never be any source code available for it, this makes porting it an almost impossible task, i dare say i could count the people on 1 hand that have the ability to do this task
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Fair comment, but it would still be very cool.

PinkySlayer said:
And Android v1 was a development of....? Linux. Hardly a new development, whereas WP7 is new from the ground up.
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I think you will find that WP7 is based on Windows CE 6, with some elements from the forthcoming CE 7. So not at all new really considering that CE 6 dates from 2006!
Regards,
Dave

You are correct, it is a CE6/CE7 hybrid, so it has much in common with Android in that they are new platforms based on existing underlying technology. Shud have checked my facts on that one.
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People who say that it isn't possible, check here:
WP7 running on the HD2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832533

Lennyz1988 said:
People who say that it isn't possible, check here:
WP7 running on the HD2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832533
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There's potentially a very big difference!
The existing WM bootloader (IPL/SPL etc) on the HD2 may make it possible to boot WP7 on it. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it does seem quite likely to me. In addition, they are talking about this being an early build of WP7 - again, it's quite likely that the HD2 was used as a test platform for WP7.
That's not to say that it would be impossible to get WP7 running on a Desire, but it does given potential reason why it would be a lot harder than on the HD2.
Regards,
Dave

Any Android sucks logo's I can use as forum signature?

Hey guys, I've been looking everywhere on XDA and on bing but cannot find any forum icons or signatures to use. I'm looking for broken android robots or something to show that I can't stand android. Since this is the WP forum, obviously I'm all for WP and would love to see a windows logo eating the android robot or something. I don't care I just want to find something to represent my opinion on this. If anyone has any suggestions I would very much appreciate it. I've been searching all yesterday, late last night and all today but still have found nothing.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions, thankyou very much.

Doubt it, most of us aren't so petty.

Here's a good one
http://www.technorotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pipi-android_t.jpg
Here's another

Lol. Gtfo this Forum. Don't talk sh... like that on a forum which is especially designed for android.
Galaxy GT-I9000 spoke

>stylz said:
Lol. Gtfo this Forum. Don't talk sh... like that on a forum which is especially designed for android.
Galaxy GT-I9000 spoke
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What forum are you talking about? Xda was originally a Windows Mobile forum (PocketPC) http://web.archive.org/web/20060508163548/http://forum.xda-developers.com/front_page.php

I like android too..
I don't understand being a fanboy.
The only os I don't personally like is ios, because it's boring imo.

jessenic said:
What forum are you talking about? Xda was originally a Windows Mobile forum (PocketPC) http://web.archive.org/web/20060508163548/http://forum.xda-developers.com/front_page.php
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In a sense, Android is everything WinMo could have and should have been. Android is like a perfected and fully supported WinMo. Where MS was lazy or lackluster about fostering WinMo, Google is doing the opposite with Android.

MartyLK said:
In a sense, Android is everything WinMo could have and should have been. Android is like a perfected and fully supported WinMo. Where MS was lazy or lackluster about fostering WinMo, Google is doing the opposite with Android.
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I disagree. Microsoft naturally progressed into quality. Winmo made a great PDA but it, like android, simply didn't make for a good phone. Wp7 chose user experience. Android chose pocket PC.

MartyLK said:
In a sense, Android is everything WinMo could have and should have been. Android is like a perfected and fully supported WinMo. Where MS was lazy or lackluster about fostering WinMo, Google is doing the opposite with Android.
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While true, I have to admit that I have never seen a WM/PocketPC device. First mobile windows OS I saw was WP7 in a local store, loved it and bought the omnia 7. The salesman tried to tell me that android is better and tried to sell me a galaxy s, almost bought it but then it crashed while he was showing it... Haven't regretted choosing wp7 over android. I know some android fanboys who have jumped over to wp7 after seeing my omnia 7...

jessenic said:
While true, I have to admit that I have never seen a WM/PocketPC device. First mobile windows OS I saw was WP7 in a local store, loved it and bought the omnia 7. The salesman tried to tell me that android is better and tried to sell me a galaxy s, almost bought it but then it crashed while he was showing it... Haven't regretted chooesing wp7 over android. I know some android fanboys who have jumped over to wp7 after seeing my omnia 7...
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LOL...I had a similar experience when I took my HTC Inspire to a local AT&T to have them look at a compass issue. The lady serving me owned an Inspire and attempted to install a compass from the market to see if her Inspire would do what mine was doing. She couldn't do it because her Inspire froze up while trying to install a compass and she had to borrow someone else's Inspire.
WP7 is the sweet one, for sure. To me it's a work of art. But I can't wait for MS to get behind it like they did with the XBOX and like Google does with Android. If and when MS does that, the competition will quake and shiver in fear.

Android isn't the problem....it's the certain fandroids that ruin it...

How is google behind android? It's a half-assed ad platform.

z33dev33l said:
How is google behind android? It's a half-assed ad platform.
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if they weren't it wouldn't be developing so quickly..
Ics actually looks awesome imo.
I just like phones, I don't get into the pissing match bs

scoobysnacks said:
if they weren't it wouldn't be developing so quickly..
Ics actually looks awesome imo.
I just like phones, I don't get into the pissing match bs
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Same here. I even still like WinMo. Just wish there was better app support for it.

scoobysnacks said:
if they weren't it wouldn't be developing so quickly..
Ics actually looks awesome imo.
I just like phones, I don't get into the pissing match bs
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nor do I, I don't see it developing quickly. Gingerbread brought little more than a pallet swap, the last truly big update was eclair, and ICS still lags like crazy even on the flagship.

I'm with the others—don't be petty, to each his own, yada yada.
That said, I just had to look for the images anyway.

z33dev33l said:
nor do I, I don't see it developing quickly. Gingerbread brought little more than a pallet swap, the last truly big update was eclair, and ICS still lags like crazy even on the flagship.
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what? No it doesn't...
Obviously you didn't try it.
I don't understand making up bs just to try to make your opinion valid.
Sounds like n8ter...
Ics included hardware acceleration which was a huge step imo

ICS doesnt include hardware acceleration outside of the browser. That was a rumor that originated here on XDA. Compared to the competitors it's downright sluggish

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ICS doesnt include hardware acceleration outside of the browser. That was a rumor that originated here on XDA. Compared to the competitors it's downright sluggish
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yes it does..
I dunno where you get your info lol

scoobysnacks said:
yes it does..
I dunno where you get your info lol
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That's cool. Like I say, Google stands behind Android and supports it. People like Steve Woz and that WP7 dude who left for Google know where the progress is being made. Interesting times.

WP7.5 Mango vs. Android Jelly Bean

I see that there are no threads here or comparisons between these two or videos...
I know that they are completely different OSs but WP has always been bragging about smoothness of their OS.
From recent reviews of Galaxy Nexus running Jelly Bean, i see no reason to ever complain about lagging.
For those who're talking about instability of Android, that is a personal choice of installing ****ty apps and tweaking it in the ways it wasn't
supposed to be tweaked anyway (Android has matured enough from random/"no reason" crashes).
The main thing which I'm interested in is speed and fluidity.

Its dead here bro. No point in comparing something dead to the living.
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I'm coming from mango on my Samsung focus. Jelly bean wins hands down. It's not even funny.
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Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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^ I fell for the exact same vaporware. Do some research and you'll see that is just not true.
Besides, people purchase real programs for the desktop, not apps. Simply because the full web is at your fingertips.
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Nettwerk said:
Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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The customers mindset is not the same between desktop and mobile. The salespitch to devs is that EVERYONE will be buying apps like crazy..... But it didn't happen on wp7 yet, and w8 is not exactly turning people into sheeple like Apple has.
Also:
"wait till mango comes out, its gonna kill android"
"wait till tango"....
"wait till Apollo"....
"wait till surface".....
"wait till" insert new vaporware here.
It's not happening. People simply aren't waiting for Microsoft to wake up and catch up. People are buying NOW, today, and a lot of products.

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The customers mindset is not the same between desktop and mobile. The salespitch to devs is that EVERYONE will be buying apps like crazy..... But it didn't happen on wp7 yet, and w8 is not exactly turning people into sheeple like Apple has.
Also:
"wait till mango comes out, its gonna kill android"
"wait till tango"....
"wait till Apollo"....
"wait till surface".....
"wait till" insert new vaporware here.
It's not happening. People simply aren't waiting for Microsoft to wake up and catch up. People are buying NOW, today, and a lot of products.
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I was willing to wait till Apollo (I waited for Nodo, Mango, still waiting for Tango-HD7), until MS said that my WP7 phone will not be upgraded. Just got a Galaxy S3, and really enjoying it.

Nettwerk said:
Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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Real PC apps won't work on WP8. I thought the same but i read a bunch of things and even tablet versions of Windows 8 wont support it. It's logical for PC to support mobile apps, but the other way around, not so much.
Edit: Look at your windows programs (assuming you're not using W8). You're not getting them on your phone.

vetvito said:
Its dead here bro. No point in comparing something dead to the living.
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That's a cold dose of reality right there my friend.
LL13-

Oh well. I enjoy my dead software for the moment. Then in a few months when some new Nexus or some Nokia WP8 thing comes out I'll figure out what to pick. I've been using WP for 7 months now, I know its flaws but I still like it, good design never gets old I guess. I'm not a fanboy of any OS, when I'm bored about my phone I pick a new one, simple as that. I'm not going balls deep with any platform tho, so I don't really feel like "bragging" about what I have/"bashing" what I don't. Honestly seeing that JB is now smooth can only make me happier, especially because I'm getting a TF300 soon. Peace out.
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[email protected] said:
I was willing to wait till Apollo (I waited for Nodo, Mango, still waiting for Tango-HD7), until MS said that my WP7 phone will not be upgraded. Just got a Galaxy S3, and really enjoying it.
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I did the same thing and got a Samsung galaxy s3. The deal breaker for me was wp7 would not be upgraded so basically it means that my Samsung focus us dead. i feel horrible that the poor people that recently bought a Nokia lumia now has a dead device. Now ms said sometime in the fall, so if us carriers like att has not even thought about testing it, even windows 7.8 would be released to carriers that will take their time to push next year.
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cronojay said:
I did the same thing and got a Samsung galaxy s3. The deal breaker for me was wp7 would not be upgraded so basically it means that my Samsung focus us dead. i feel horrible that the poor people that recently bought a Nokia lumia now has a dead device. Now ms said sometime in the fall, so if us carriers like att has not even thought about testing it, even windows 7.8 would be released to carriers that will take their time to push next year.
Sent from my Samsung galaxy s 3 using xda premium. I love jelly beans.
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I recently sold my Omnia 7 because I figured that it will become worthless when WP8 arrives since it can't upgrade.
Looking at the WP8 presentation, I'm deeply disappointed in MS because the main thing they're talking about is still "live tiles that no other phone
has". That's just pathetic. Resizeable tiles?.... It wasn't even MS that brought the idea... I saw it about a year ago from some guy here on xda and
now it's their main thing. Other things are just WP trying to catch up with Apple And Android with the same things they already have (wow... offline maps).
I'm too switching to Jelly Bean. Don't have enough for s3, but closely enough for used Galaxy Nexus

Nettwerk said:
Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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so, a beta release of wp8 is something you seriously consider competition for a 3 month old jellybean?
what do you expect to see to see winning over android as you stated 100% ? sales?
the portion of your comment suggesting that developers are just slobbering at the opportunity to jump from Android to wp8 sounds desperate and delusional. you might find some Nokia engineers out of work and be grudgingly apply for a seat, but I doubt that too.
wp7 failed to attract developers AND consumer mind share. what will be different, this time?

ohgood said:
wp7 failed to attract developers AND consumer mind share. what will be different, this time?
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Windows 8/RT compatibility?

ohgood said:
It's not happening. People simply aren't waiting for Microsoft to wake up and catch up. People are buying NOW, today, and a lot of products.
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Well, I am, so I guess you are wrong. When my contract ran out I got a One X, which I sold after a week. Just couldn't go back to the Android UI, feels old and fugly to me after wp7 for a year. Sooooo, back on my HD7 and waiting for apollo. Whatever floats your boat, I guess

I'm getting tired of those threads... I guess it's time for me to leave XDA after so many years. That forum is simply not the no. 1 place for MS/WM/WP discussion anymore. Just look at the first page, it contains about 90% Android articles. And I am really getting sick of that repetitive Android is better than everything else bullsh... I want serious discussions about that OS I am using and not those dumb comparisons.
What I don't understand is the fact that some of you guys lost hope in MS/WP and switched to an Android device by now but you're still discussing here with your everyday pessimistic posts against MS.

morpheuszg said:
I'm getting tired of those threads... I guess it's time for me to leave XDA after so many years. That forum is simply not the no. 1 place for MS/WM/WP discussion anymore. Just look at the first page, it contains about 90% Android articles. And I am really getting sick of that repetitive Android is better than everything else bullsh... I want serious discussions about that OS I am using and not those dumb comparisons.
What I don't understand is the fact that some of you guys lost hope in MS/WP and switched to an Android device by now but you're still discussing here with your everyday pessimistic posts against MS.
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Exactly. People should really start sticking either to the general forum or simply to the one of the OS they HAVE CHOOSEN. This kind of stuff only encourages flame wars and pointless random *****ing. I do understand that this is a critical moment for the platform, but one MUST have something better to do then cry about it all all day, let's try to be constructive, please.

My intentions when opening this thread is to see a real comparison between features and performance of WP (no matter which version) and Android Jelly Bean.
Sorry if I started another flame thread.
I doesn't matter if its 7.5 or 7.8. MS was always talking about smoothness of their OS, but Jelly Bean responded with Project Butter.
What is MSs response to that?

lrhage said:
Windows 8/RT compatibility?
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Not going to happen, sorry. RT is entirely different. I believed the same thing until I researched it.
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lrhage said:
Windows 8/RT compatibility?
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Ok, you may have a point for some devs with the rt/8 possibilities. as stated, they're both vapor ware still. will it cause developers to salivate thinking of the money to be made? dunno
so what will get the consumers minds racing, then? you need consumers to feed those devs .
mmmm, even this is off topic it seems. sorry, op, but its difficult to compare vapor to a working product.

Odds of Gnex seeing unofficial L Release

Let's get this out of the way first, nobody here is stupid, we know the L Release is never going to come to the Galaxy Nexus officially. So let's talk about the community. I just have one basic question for our talented devs, what are the odds that a port of L will be able to come to the Gnex and if so, what kind of time frame are we looking at here?

Does the Cyanogenmod team do developers previews like this one? We might see it from them.

I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
so lets get it out of the way.
SURE
we COULD see some 5.0 aosp love(via custom development)
MAYBE.
time frame?
when.source drops, give it a few months at most I'd say
source isn't even CLOSE to ready yet though.
SOOO
let's ALSO look at the past.
which nexus devices, after Google officially dropped support, are STILL ABLE AND ARE running LATEST android version?
ALL of them right?
stability and such isn't a factor for this question, it's IF IT CAN/DOES run newest aosp in SOME FORM.
so I'd say YES gnex WILL see 5.0 in SOME usable form. but asking for ANY "time frame"at THIS POINT since SOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE YET is kinda pointless.
maybe though, just maybe, there are ALREADY some people at work on getting those "preview" things ported. no matter WHAT, patience and not asking for timeframe/eta is key here

I don't normally do +1 style posts, but I am also greatly interested in knowing this as well.
I imagine it is largely going to depend on how much of the underlying kernel and driver interaction changes. I remember on my prior phone, a Droid X which has been and is still locked down, it was generally impossible to get past ICS because of the major underlying changes in JB and not being able to get those on the DX. Granted the Nexus doesn't have this limitation but drivers aren't likely to be further updated and if the kernel goes too far forward it is unlikely to see compatible driver versions for GNex hardware.
EDIT: I should probably say modules instead of drivers. I'm primarily a Windows person PC-side.

Put it this way my 4 year old HTC Desire can run Kitkat then i would be amazed if we didn't end up with some pretty good builds of "L".

ashclepdia said:
I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
so lets get it out of the way.
SURE
we COULD see some 5.0 aosp love(via custom development)
MAYBE.
time frame?
when.source drops, give it a few months at most I'd say
source isn't even CLOSE to ready yet though.
SOOO
let's ALSO look at the past.
which nexus devices, after Google officially dropped support, are STILL ABLE AND ARE running LATEST android version?
ALL of them right?
stability and such isn't a factor for this question, it's IF IT CAN/DOES run newest aosp in SOME FORM.
so I'd say YES gnex WILL see 5.0 in SOME usable form. but asking for ANY "time frame"at THIS POINT since SOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE YET is kinda pointless.
maybe though, just maybe, there are ALREADY some people at work on getting those "preview" things ported. no matter WHAT, patience and not asking for timeframe/eta is key here
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Thanks for replying! I figured since I looked pretty thoroughly and didn't see a thread for it and thought that having at least one place for Gnex owners to talk about the L release for us wouldn't be a bad thing. I in no way meant to be one of those people who constantly bugs the devs about ETA's, I just meant what were could be expecting in the general sense. Thanks for the reassurance about us getting it, I've just been burned before about support with previous devices when they got past official support. But those weren't Nexii so I didn't know what to expect.

Brettbesa said:
Thanks for replying! I figured since I looked pretty thoroughly and didn't see a thread for it and thought that having at least one place for Gnex owners to talk about the L release for us wouldn't be a bad thing. I in no way meant to be one of those people who constantly bugs the devs about ETA's, I just meant what were could be expecting in the general sense. Thanks for the reassurance about us getting it, I've just been burned before about support with previous devices when they got past official support. But those weren't Nexii so I didn't know what to expect.
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yea sorry about my tone in that reply mostly too
I'm usually not the one to fly off ranting towards other users actions, at least not on xda(i do #AshRants elsewhere lol)
your question was a valid one, and I know where you coming from when it comes to nom nexus devices and their lack of support, I had a droid x2 that was ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED BY MOTOROLA to have ICS update. which for some reason they just didn't follow through on. Their REASON they said was that "android 4.0+ would not improve functionality of this device"...aka "we don't feel like fixing all the bugs we gave you already with shotty gingerbread releases, and we aren't going to allow you to unlock the device or give you usable kernel source so screw off",...back when moto didn't gaf about the dev communities. they have made huge strides towards mending that relationship. just couldn't believe they had the gall to say 4.0 wouldn't improve the first dual core android device running a tegra2 chipset. bah. ramblings now again from ash.
but yea reason I kinda went off in that reply was mostly cuz I hoped all the other people who were already drooling at the chance to post the exact same things would slow down and think instead first it wasnt intended as a personal attack towards you or to start any flamewar on the subject. and judging by your reply you didn't take offense to it anyways, so :thumbsup: :good: we all on the same page anyways.
personally, I haven't seen much of the IO stuff about L, I saw mostly design changes, and would like to know more details about it's new features so I'll be digging around YouTube today for recaps and such.
but I'm almost certain that if we don't get some kinda official rom like CM, OMNI, SHINY, PA, etc... building L based.roms for us, then some of our awesomely talented devs will at LEAST get us able to look like we have it, along with SOME if not z MOST functionality of L.

ashclepdia said:
I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
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I also think you guys should be patient. Your life won't be (that limited if there won't be a port of the coming up Android L to our Galaxy Nexus. Just relax.

As some have already pointed out, we're unlikely to see Android 5 "officially" ported to our GNex, for pretty much the same reason that we don't have an official 4.4 release for our phone. From ArsTechnica:
"Our talk with Burke shed some light on some more obscure topics too, including the lack of an Android 4.4 update for the Galaxy Nexus. Google's official line was that the company only supports hardware for 18 months after release, which it still mentions in its official Nexus update support document. As was speculated at the time, though, the decision was tied to Texas Instruments' exit from the consumer SoC market (TI's OMAP chip powered the Galaxy Nexus as well as other prominent Android-based hardware like the first Kindle Fires).
"It was a really extraordinary event," he said. "You had a silicon company exit the market, there was nobody left in the building to talk to."
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TI stopped development for the GNex SoC at Android 4.1. Google and others worked hard to support it for 4.2 and 4.3, but the official TI software was broken by 4.4. The reason that we even have 4.4 custom ROMs is because some kind-hearted person, perhaps a TI insider, released beta or engineering sample software for the SoC. But as we've found, it's not the most stable
have a great weekend,
john

You could all complain about TI stopping development and blaming them. The Google Glass uses a not to different TI SOC compared to the GNex has a 3.4 kernel and runs 4.4.2
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC bla bla bla.

akash3656 said:
You could all complain about TI stopping development and blaming them. The Google Glass uses a not to different TI SOC compared to the GNex has a 3.4 kernel and runs 4.4.2
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC bla bla bla.
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Plus if they didn't drop support after two years android would have alot more bugs in general.

DR3W5K1 said:
Plus if they didn't drop support after two years android would have alot more bugs in general.
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I don't get your logic. And its not like 4.3 is flawless. HD video playback on this device (GNex) lags.
+ if Google themselves show a bad example to OEMs on how long to update devices, expect OEMs to not update devices older than a year. And this makes the whole "android doesn't get timely updates" into a new issue where "android doesn't get updates after a year+ at best".

GNex will never die!
(3.5 yrs going strong bby, and thanks to vanir+dirtyv f2fs running better than ever)

latenightchameleon said:
GNex will never die!
(3.5 yrs going strong bby, and thanks to vanir+dirtyv f2fs running better than ever)
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Indeed. There will likely be somebody out there building from the latest source for this device as long as it's possible to do so, and possibly even if it isn't.

akash3656 said:
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC
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Out of curiosity, what would those reasons be?

jsage said:
Out of curiosity, what would those reasons be?
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That's up for you to imagine....
Money, profit, greed? You pick which one. Or make your own reasons.

akash3656 said:
That's up for you to imagine....
Money, profit, greed? You pick which one. Or make your own reasons.
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Well, I guess when simple facts aren't sufficient then fantasy must be more believable.

wow
some of these replies were brutal, sheesh

gray bishop said:
some of these replies were brutal, sheesh
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Honest perhaps. It's pretty simple really. The new OS (4.4) has a new kernel. The new kernel requires new drivers. Neither TI (OMAP SoC) nor ImgTec (PowerVR GPU) will supply those drivers.
Yes, an engineer at TI "released" a blob last fall. But it was not release-quality, it was beta-quality. Not everything is a conspiracy; we've just reached the end of the official support road.
On the other hand if one is inclined to run on the bleeding edge and stability is not their primary concern, there are any number of KitKat custom ROMs in which one can indulge.
have a great evening,
john

jsage said:
Honest perhaps. It's pretty simple really. The new OS (4.4) has a new kernel. The new kernel requires new drivers. Neither TI (OMAP SoC) nor ImgTec (PowerVR GPU) will supply those drivers.
Yes, an engineer at TI "released" a blob last fall. But it was not release-quality, it was beta-quality. Not everything is a conspiracy; we've just reached the end of the official support road.
On the other hand if one is inclined to run on the bleeding edge and stability is not their primary concern, there are any number of KitKat custom ROMs in which one can indulge.
have a great evening,
john
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Ah crap I didn't mean to thank you. Anyway, yea sure remember all those OEMs you blame and all have given everything you've said to a certain product. GOOGLE GLASS. And go and check what SOC Google Glass uses.
Now have fun.