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desire or xperia x10 or samsung galaxy S?

I`m a bit confused right now ... i really loved the HTC evo 4G but since i live in India ... i cant get my hands on that...
The only good phones i am left with are desire , xperia x10 or samsung galaxy
Pls let me know which one should i go for
And i wanted to know how are the games in desire .. are they even comparable to iphone games??... and can it be jailbreaked like the iphone????

heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E

Avoid the Xperia X10, mainly due to the terrible terrible battery life and the fact it's still running Android 1.6, as well has having much lower performance than the Desire and Nexus One which use almost identical internals.
As for 'jailbreaking', in Android circles the equivalent is known as 'rooting' to enable you to install all the awesome custom firmwares available on this forum to enable new features, speed up your device or even get the latest versions of Android before they're even released.
Games-wise, there is a decent selection, but truthfully the iPhone is the king of mobile gaming. I haven't found this to be a problem however, as I realised after owning an iPod Touch before my android phone that with most games I'll play them for a few minutes when I download them and then never really touch them again. I use music, video, email, social networking and general internet browsing far more.
As for Desire vs Galaxy S...kind of hard to choose.
Galaxy S Pros and Cons:
+ Large, amazing Super AMOLED screen
+ Most powerful Android device out, especially it's GPU (for 3D games)
+ DivX video support
+ Video-out if you want to connect it to a screen
+ Reportedly great sound quality for headphones
+ Battery life better than most other high-end Android phones
- The phone itself looks like a cheap iPhone ripoff (why Samsung why?!)
- Samsung use their 'TouchWiz' interface on top of Android which looks kind of ugly and adds little
- Samsung don't have a good track record with updates...they've confirmed Froyo but no word on whether it'll ever get anything above that
- Reportedly all custom roms will need to be based off Samsung's official roms, so won't have as large a variety as HTC phones
- Apparently many users have had GPS problems
HTC Desire Pros and Cons:
+ Huge variety of custom roms
+ Similarity with Nexus One means since Nexus One gets updates first, most can be quickly ported to Desire
+ HTC Sense interface on top of Android looks great and improves usability (especially the widgets)
+ HTC's default apps for mail, weather, etc are extremely well designed
+ Will most likely be able to run Android 3.0 (Gingerbread) ported from the Nexus One once it's released
+ Very good build quality and nicer-looking hardware
- Battery life not as good
- Smaller screen that's regular AMOLED rather than Samsung's new variety
- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
Hope that helps! I'm currently in the middle of deciding between the Desire and Galaxy S myself, so done a fair bit of research and tried both out.

AXIS of Reality said:
- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
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as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent

That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.

well thanks for that .. i am leaning towards htc desire more now ... just to confirm are there any better andriod phones in the market which are gsm and available outside US ??

AndroHero said:
as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent
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Which battery meter are you using?

vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games

I cant speak for the galaxy S but having used both desire and the xperia the desire wins hands down. The xperia is really laggy and the old version of android is a deal breaker. Once sony pull their fingers out and update the xperia it might be a different story but I dont think we will see that for a few more months yet
the only advantage the xperia has is the large internal apps storage, you dont need to root it if your wanting loads of apps unlike the desire

AndroHero said:
heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E
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id love to know how to get that game running on my desire, I had it for my palm pre and loved it but the desire just gives me a black screen then it closes

djoni1980 said:
vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games
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Games or not my priority .. i already have a ipod touch ... for me the main things are cool apps maybe even GPS , email and very good user interface ... i have a htc 3G touch ... it really sucks ...after having that i had decided not to go for HTC again ... But i cant buy iphone 4 as it takes a year to come to my country ... and i heard andriod phones are awesome ... so going back to HTC
So anyone owns a desire .. plz tell the pros and cons of desire which u felt while using

Take the desire you wont regret it.and someone already mentiond pros & cons on page 1.
You only have to choose
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AXIS of Reality said:
That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.
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can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark

pms said:
Which battery meter are you using?
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the one that comes with the expresso theme for 2.2 sence roms

AndroHero said:
can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark
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LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1

djoni1980 said:
LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1
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oh yeah so it does lol

If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Jabbafat23 said:
If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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I'd mostly agree with that.
Android phones really are 'enthusiast' phones, in the sense that you get out of them what you put in. For example, customising it to work exactly how you want and look how you want it to look.
The iPhone is made as a very controlled system, so you have only the absolute minimum freedom (ie: change your wallpaper or order of icons). This is ideal for many people who want something that just 'works' and has been tuned to be an intuitive experience for the majority of people.
Android is based around making your phone uniquely yours, such as through the use of the homescreens to fill with whatever you want (widgets, controls, shortcuts, folders, etc). What this means is it requires more time and attention than an iPhone, but the end result is a phone and way of working that is of your own design.
Think of it like Lego:
- the iPhone is where you follow the instructions and get what is shown in the picture on the box (which can annoy people who want to do their own thing).
- Android is where you are given a pile of lego bricks to build whatever you want, so it's far more personalised even if it's not as polished as the iPhone (which can confuse or put of people who prefer a guiding hand and it to be done for them)
I'm happy to sacrifice some polish in the interface for the chance to really make my phone mine, but there are many who feel the other way. That's why it's great we have the oppurtunity to choose between Android and iOS (and soon Windows Phone 7, which seems like a halfway point between the two).

thanks for all that ... Now i am convinced to go for a desire which i will buy sometime this week
i have a small doubt ( a n00b one) .. whats the use of "rooting" and installing ROM`s???.. is it the same as "jailbreaking" in iphone where i can install paid apps and games for free and play with my looks ?? ... or is there anyother use??

i have HTC Desire which i bough from a friend in England, (i live in Seattle) and absolutely love it. My co-worker has Tmobile Samsung Vibrant. Ill give my impressions and quick pros and cons, i may sound little bias but here it is.
Samsung Galaxy Pros
Large SuperAMOLED screen, true 800x480 res, multitouch (Which, while is brighter than the Desire, not that much better, almost cant tell the difference.)
Better battery life, Galaxy also comes with 1500 mAh battery whereas Desire come with 1400 mAh ( again only one day of test with moderate use)
Better GPU
16 Gb of internal storage (which is a huge plus)
720p @30 frames video capture (which also is possible on the Desire with a custom ROM)
Cons
Built quality is extremely cheap, back is shiny plastic which is prone to scratches
Has ugly iphone 3GS style bezel around the screen
No camera flash (this one is a huge let down by Samsung which is beyond any comprehension)
Ugly UI which is a blatant iOS rip off (this one may be strictly preferential depending if you like iOS look or not)
Samsungs proven lack of support track record
Not clear whether gonna have large dev support on XDA
External speaker is horrible, tiny sound (Desire is the same)
That is all i can think of at the moment
Desire Cons
Uses old Clear pad 2000 touch panel which lacks true multitouch support or supports it in a broken way (you can google Nexus one touch screen problems, there is 70 pages plus thread about it)
Uses Cheap Pentile pixel arrangement, which some argue is better for media but horrible if ou spend most of the time reading text on your device. ( you can google Pentile on Nexus One, Anandtech.com has very informative article about this)
Eternal speaker is horrible, sound is tiny and quite
video capture is crap
When using on low brightness, screen has pink hue
Battery life is mediocre
Pros
Built quality is way better than Galaxy, also looks sophisticated compared to Galaxy
Camera flash
Huge support from XDA developers since it is almost identical to Nexus One
Runs Sense, although i equally hate Sense, it is a lot better that TouchWiz
Has hardware buttons (this one is a deal breaker for me as Galaxy touch sensitive buttons are unresponsive at times and generally suck)
AMOLED is almost as good as Galaxy's ( aside from cheap ass touch panel that HTC used on Desire and Nexus One, why HTC why)
That is all i can think of at the moment. I am eligible for an upgrade with Tmobile, but i think ill keep the Desire. Just better phone aside from crappy screen. Hope this helps

Considering Defy, a few questions.

Hi I'm considering the Motorola Defy, sim free from AmazonUK, but I have a few queries.
Are micro SDHC cards compatible with this phone? I know some devices can only use SD and not SDHC. Also is there a size limit for a memory card?
Is Android 2.2 confirmed by Motorola for official release?
Is it possible to selectively turn off 3g? I will be in Wifi zones most of the time I'm on the internet and don't have a data plan.
Can the flash be used as a flashlight? Alright this won't sway me but it could be useful.
What is MotoBlur? and do I need twitter/facebook to set it up or can I just use an email address?
I was also considering the HTC Desire however this phone seemed very similar but £100 cheaper, is there anything I would be desperatly missing? I know this has a slightly slower processor, but anything else.
Thanks I really appreciate you taking the time to read this.

Yes. No size limit.
Yes. Q2 of 2011
Yes.
Yes. download tesla LED from market.
Don't need twitter/facebook. Motoblur is a free service. You use your existing email and it let's you manage things from website including remote wipe.
Sent from my DEFY using XDA app

Thanks disturkis4u.
Also just a couple more questions.
Is the model with white sides the US T-mobile branded model? and are the other models completely black?
Finally, does the OS affect the compatibility of certain apps ie. would some apps be for Android 2.2+ therefore not work on 2.1? Seeing as the Defy is currently behind the latest OS I wondered if app compatibility could be a problem especially if I decide to keep the Defy for quite a while.

white sides is the t-mobile version. Not sure of all black models.
There are some apps that are 2.2 only. From what i've seen those tend to be the google ones like gmail 2.2, youtube, chrome extension etc.
Sent from my DEFY using XDA app

Wait dont buy it
People arround the world reported that the earspeaker becomes unusable after from 1 day to 3 weeks
Motorola Hasnt said anything
android-hilfe.de has polls and discusions, also the motorola support forums has examples

On the Motorola non-US site there are a lot of reports of the phone sounding like it's muted on a call and only speakerphone works. Most of these are from Germany, but they have had the phone the longest. I have seen a very few on the US site. I bought mine when it was first released in the US and so far have no issues. So far. I really like this phone and would rather have to get it fixed than get another phone because I don't like anything else out there... except the Nokia N8. Here's a link to the non-us Motorola Defy forum. Decide for yourself.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/...-android/defy_non_us?view=discussions&start=0

I sold my Htc Desire and got the Defy instead, havent looked back. Only thing I miss is the online rom kitchen over at Modaco, but I see a lot of devs getting the Defy, so I'm confident that we'll see a lot of custom Defy roms soon, or at least a lot of hacks and mods. I love that I no longer have to baby my phone (I tend to break things) and so my german Defy has the best in-call sound I've ever tried, way better than the Desire, whose speaker I broke (6 foot drop onto concrete, my bad) after 3 days.
Oh and Froyo is confirmed for O2 branded Defys from Germany for Q1 2011, so the 2.2 roms shouldn't be that far away. Rumors are also circling that China Mobile will start shipping Froyo-powered Defys "soon"...

disturkis4u said:
white sides is the t-mobile version. Not sure of all black models
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That's not 100% true.
I have a Defy with white sides purchased from Carphone Warehouse in the UK - completely unlocked and un-branded.

I asked clove.co.uk about the colors and they said black'n'white were for telecoms only as far as they knew, and that there might be other color schemes eventually.. They carry the all black, that's what on it's way to me, so..
Hello, thank you for the enquiry. We think that there will be colour variants, most probably just black and white however it is also very likely that if this is the case then they will be network exclusives in the UK and only the Black version will be available for sale SIM free. Of course if this situation changes then we will list all variations on the website and offer current customers the choice.
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Wirefly has them in black.
http://www.wirefly.com/eCommerce/SpecialOffer.aspx?cid=35981_115cb3c268cb4e1dbffb6a8a2622237f

At the end of the day if the earpiece goes I will send it back and get it replaced/repaired, it doesn't really concern me that out of thousands of phones sold a handful have developed faults

Sorensiim said:
I sold my Htc Desire and got the Defy instead, havent looked back. Only thing I miss is the online rom kitchen over at Modaco, but I see a lot of devs getting the Defy, so I'm confident that we'll see a lot of custom Defy roms soon, or at least a lot of hacks and mods. I love that I no longer have to baby my phone (I tend to break things) and so my german Defy has the best in-call sound I've ever tried, way better than the Desire, whose speaker I broke (6 foot drop onto concrete, my bad) after 3 days.
Oh and Froyo is confirmed for O2 branded Defys from Germany for Q1 2011, so the 2.2 roms shouldn't be that far away. Rumors are also circling that China Mobile will start shipping Froyo-powered Defys "soon"...
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Hi, seeing as you had a Desire what are the main things I would be missing if I decided to go for the Defy, the only thing I can really tell is that the Defy has a slightly slower processor, how does this compare to the Desires?
Also I saw in a couple of online videos there is a bit of lag when using pinch to zoom can anyone tell me how bad this is?
Finally if in a wifi zone (which I am connected to eg. at home) when using the browser will the Defy automatically use wifi before mobile internet?
PS. thanks for the heads up on the earpiece problem I think I'll go for it anyway as I have been slightly put off by the Desire due to widespread random reboot issues and to me this is less of a problem (and seems less common), so if need be I'll get it repaired.
Thanks all.

The benchmarks have been pretty good on this phone. In real life I only occasionally notice a lag when pushing through the app drawer.
Wifi: assume you are on T-Mo USA and will have wifi calling app? If so it has a selection to favor wifi connect, or even wifi only. With wifi favored, mine choses wifi over 3G if the wifi signal is good. I suppose it's possible it may differ with different routers.

scrannel said:
The benchmarks have been pretty good on this phone. In real life I only occasionally notice a lag when pushing through the app drawer.
Wifi: assume you are on T-Mo USA and will have wifi calling app? If so it has a selection to favor wifi connect, or even wifi only. With wifi favored, mine choses wifi over 3G if the wifi signal is good. I suppose it's possible it may differ with different routers.
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Go for Launcher Pro or Adw Launcher. No more lag!

Sorensiim said:
Go for Launcher Pro or Adw Launcher. No more lag!
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+1 Launcher pro FTW!

Sorensiim said:
Go for Launcher Pro or Adw Launcher. No more lag!
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I've read that Launcher Pro is a battery drain. Is this true?

Higgsy said:
HTC Hero - SOLD. I'll miss you baby
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I can get a free upgrade from the Hero to the Defy. Is the camera a noticeable step up? How does it compare in low light? Is the flash any good?

Not that i have ever noticed. used it on the Cliq and never had an issue. Haven't had the defy long but I don't see any big drain by using Launcher Pro.
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I've read that Launcher Pro is a battery drain. Is this true?
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Yes imo the camera is better
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I'm going to order this tomorrow, just 2 more questions.
Can it handle 720p playback?
How is navigation on this device?
Thanks.

Worth Buying?

Hello good people,
First of all, Merry Christmas,
So I'm currently looking to buy a new phone. My current phone is a i900 Omnia which is great but I really like the HD2 and DHD. I probably won't buy a new phone for a year or two so would like something which will last.
Is there any people here that had/have a HD2 and upgraded to DHD? Was it worth it? The DHD is about $250 more then HD2 here and I'm wondering if I should get it or not. I like the tweak ability of the HD2 but have never used it so I don't know how it feels whereas I tried out DHD and was very impressed. Even if I did get the HD2 I would still use Android and WinMo for GPS, unless there's something as good as iGO8 on Andoid.
Also I read some people have issues recording in 720p, freezing while recording. Is there a workaround with this issue?
I had only a little play with Android so I'm new to all this root etc...
Thank you, have a nice day

Currently, android on HD2 is not so good as DHD, and I'm sure it's not going to, so pick up your choice between winmo or android.
I myself moved from HD2 to DHD, for finger friendly UI and newly developed apps.
Another good thing is android is both dev and user friendly, no more registry tweaks or volidate cleaning! Apps gone as you want it to, also easy to get back from market.

It is not a bad phone but the battery life sux big time. You need to carry spare battery with you.
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twosix said:
It is not a bad phone but the battery life sux big time. You need to carry spare battery with you.
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I take issue with that statement, battery life on my DHD is typically around 20+ hrs. I use my device constantly with no problem about losing power.
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The battery life is ok for a phone with big display
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Thanks for replies people,
Is the touch screen much different from the HD2, as far as the sensitivity and such? When I tried the DHD I went into the messaging and tested out typing and it was just such a breeze, atm it's always a hustle without a stylus.
I'm not too worried about battery life, I won't be watching movies on the go, maybe just some gaming, web browsing and mp3 playing.
I just want a device that makes my life easier, I read that WinMo on HD2 needs ALOT of tweaks and registry changes to get running how it should be and while I am a computer whiz and love messing around with everything, I think now I just want something that works mint out of the box with great potential if I decide to try other stuff. Also apparently the SuperRAM Android builds on HD2 runs extremely well.
Are there any other good devices with 4.3" screen and 1Ghz CPU? I tried the Galaxy S but didn't like the build quality and typing seemed crap compared to DHD.
Is the DHD what I'm looking for?

Did you say Stylus?? hahahaha.. havent heard that word in a while... plus the stylus doesnt usually work on a capcitive screen..
In respect of HD2.. rightly said.. you need to do a lot of twearks,, but once done you are good to go.. or you find a good custom ROM and you are all set... With Sashmi you can install all your tweaks and the apps automatically when you flash a new ROM.. PLUS to Root (read HSPL) a WinMo phone is just too easy and straightfwd...
While going thru the rooting for DHD, goodness... i got confused.. so many times
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Thanks for replies people,
Is the touch screen much different from the HD2, as far as the sensitivity and such? When I tried the DHD I went into the messaging and tested out typing and it was just such a breeze, atm it's always a hustle without a stylus.
I'm not too worried about battery life, I won't be watching movies on the go, maybe just some gaming, web browsing and mp3 playing.
I just want a device that makes my life easier, I read that WinMo on HD2 needs ALOT of tweaks and registry changes to get running how it should be and while I am a computer whiz and love messing around with everything, I think now I just want something that works mint out of the box with great potential if I decide to try other stuff. Also apparently the SuperRAM Android builds on HD2 runs extremely well.
Are there any other good devices with 4.3" screen and 1Ghz CPU? I tried the Galaxy S but didn't like the build quality and typing seemed crap compared to DHD.
Is the DHD what I'm looking for?
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I just upgraded to dhd from hd2 last week. I had been running mdj's dhd roms for more than a month....so the upgrade was not revolutionary. It was not a necessary upgrade except that I was flashing new roms every other day....
The pros of dhd compared to hd2
Slightly better screen...colors and sharpness
Better screen sensitivity
Better battery
Maybe a bit faster and more stable??
Better cam & video
But external speaker is very soft.
if I had known...I prob would not upgrade. Now my son is running mdj gingerbread on the hd2...lots of potential...
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Yes Stylus!! LOL, Omnia has a resistive touchscreen so a stylus makes things easier. Yeah I've been doing alot of reading for HD2 and now how to flash, and I agree that it's much less confusing then rooting the DHD. The initial shock of reading how to root was overwhelming haha!
I think my only best bet now is to go and try a HD2 in a shop, but I must wait till the 5th for shops to open. If I can save 200bux for near same experience then I'm all for it. I'm a student and don't have cash just lying around lol, I mean the DHD costs more then my car!! (Had my 180sx stolen from where I study and needed something which nobody would bother stealing...POS '91 Ford Festiva)
@genting1 Will you be looking to go back to a HD2? Are you now regretting buying? Is the DHD enough?

IN that case.. an HD2 it is for you.. thats the phone I have had the longest
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Yes Stylus!! LOL, Omnia has a resistive touchscreen so a stylus makes things easier. Yeah I've been doing alot of reading for HD2 and now how to flash, and I agree that it's much less confusing then rooting the DHD. The initial shock of reading how to root was overwhelming haha!
I think my only best bet now is to go and try a HD2 in a shop, but I must wait till the 5th for shops to open. If I can save 200bux for near same experience then I'm all for it. I'm a student and don't have cash just lying around lol, I mean the DHD costs more then my car!! (Had my 180sx stolen from where I study and needed something which nobody would bother stealing...POS '91 Ford Festiva)
@genting1 Will you be looking to go back to a HD2? Are you now regretting buying? Is the DHD enough?
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Not regret...just that it did not have the WOW factor....as the hd2 and mdj did a fantastic job.
But I do miss my garmin gps on hd2 winmo
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Dude if ur a Android fan then buy a DHD
Yes HD2 is good but its good for moding, Android on it sometimes gets stuck n then u have to put a new build on it
I had hd2 for a long time n its the best phone I had
Learnt a lot about moding on HD2
Just got my DHD 2 weeks ago n no problems so far
HTC did an OTA update that fixed all the issues
Now DHD is the best phone as far as I no
Wait for few more days get some more money
Ask few of ur friends for some maybe they can help u out with ur money problem
But don't buy HD2 if ur gonna use Android for every day use
Hope this helps

To my fellow student...
I know what it's like, the ability and situation to spend money on any device you wish...an upgrade is however, necessary. Your old phone seems quite old, judging by its manufacture date and stylus interactions. What you have to remember, as a student as well as a person, is what device will serve your needs more? Do you want a more multimedia-oriented phone or a business phone? What will consume less time and work out of the box? Right now, it is a very critical time for me. I have seven exams in January alone. If you are in a situation even a fraction of what i'm in....well you get the point. I previously owned the HD2 for the best of a year before "upgrading" to a Desire HD. I would say that Windows Mobile, although an extremely flexible OS that allows for many tweaks and customisations, is an extremely old and "outdated" OS...it requires a dedicated owner and a lot of time to get it the way YOU want it. Also, you will get into a habit of regularly flashing custom roms and trying out another Android build etc. I believe that it is a phone for people who wish to experiment and realise the potential of a device.
On the other hand, you have a Desire HD. I would see it as an entertainment class phone. It has the same size screen as my old HD2, but more vibrant colours. The speakers are low and softer in volume, although who ever uses phone speakers to listen to music? As students and on the train and in lessons, we use our phones to listen to OUR choice of music in privacy and as a form of time-passing and relaxation. The Desire HD is a valuable music player, as it reproduces sounds far better than my HD2, thanks to SRS and Dolby sound effect algorithms. It is quite adept at playing multimedia, and has 720p capture AND playback abilites. There is also an 8mp camera sensor, and nice applications.
Personally, I believe a Desire HD will be more suited to you. It is a newer model with more powerful/updated hardware. From what I assume, if you were to purchase a HD2, primarily you would use it for Android on a daily basis and GPS navigation within Windows? If that is so, i'd suggest going for a Desire HD. I have one, and it is flawless. Android on the HD2 will never be on the level of a Desire HD. It natively runs the OS, and the device is fully stable. Booting into Android on a HD2 and back and forth to Windows will take at least a minute either way. It's up to you in the end, but I advise you go for a Desire HD. Although it's more expensive, it's all the more appealing and filling. Thus you will have the latest device, best hardware, a smooth OS experiance and the ability to download programs from the Market at the swipe of a finger. As a side note, if you want another device recommendation, it would be a HD7. Rumours have it that it is selling for £414.00 on Amazon and less on Ebay! In the end, the choice falls to you. I hope i've clarified the situation for you
(And in case you are wondering, no I don't regret getting a Desire HD. The experiance, smoothness and perfection alone are enough to make me happy and show off my device)

I won't even look at WP7 until it matures more and see how it turns out, seems too limited too me and I don't think I will be happy with it.
I'm not a fanboy of either OS but I do feel WinMo is getting old and customizing is essential to get the most out of it. I haven't had too much interest in Android until recently when I was researching more about it and it has really grown on me.
I've been keen for a HD2 for months and months simply to try Android without completely moving to a full Android device but that was before I knew more about Android and it seems like it's a great OS. Definitely "future proof" where developers will spend time on it so new software will always be available, unlike WinMo.
Better hardware is a lot what I've been thinking about, so why not right, it would be time for once to own the best right NOW.
But anyway, I think I've been convinced and I'm gona break my own "rule" ($400 max for a phone, in the past anyway lol) and thank you all for your time to help me out, I look forward to owning a Desire HD
So first thing I should do with the phone is get S-OFF and flash Buzz 1.0.6 kernel and then update to latest version? Or get S-OFF, update and then change kernel?

I'd suggest S-off, then flashing Android Revolution HD (either latest one for android 2.2.1) or Android Revolution 1.9.3 for android 2.2...real difference is slightly faster IO speeds..but with latest rom you can't flash a custom kernel...yet! You can also try Leedroid, and try out kamma's kernel, although I have gps problems with this combination. Hope I helped!

[Q] Till when will the DEFY get completely OUTDATED??

Hey guys. I am thinking of buying a good budget android. And with the budget i have i would like to get a Motorola Defy. This phone for me will be a one time thing as i can't go on changing my devices every 8-9 months. So all i want to ask is till when will the defy get popular support and will be able to do what it does now before getting completely outdated(by this i mean the time when you just want to chuck your phone into the bin)
I'll be moving from a Symbian to my First Android device and of all things i know about Android this phones seems good to me(Except for the "LOCKED Bootloader thing")
So i want to use my defy as a primary device for at least a year and half (i know its too much but not possible for me to buy a device every other day). Is it possible with defy?

yeah, i think it is possible to use the defy for more than 1.5 years, at least i'm not planning to buy a new cell in a year there are rumors about motorola unlocking the bootloader and developing official 2.3 (gingerbread) to the defy, so if these are true, it will be supported for a long time. and hardware wise you don't have to worry, it is a high-end phone imo. so you should be fine

I just bought a Defy a little less than two weeks ago. Very similar position to yours - it's a one time thing, because my budget is limited, and the Defy offers nice hardware for the price. So despite the locked bootloader, I went for it. I think we'll be fine. The hacker community around this thing is awesome, not even the locked bootloader slows them down.

Outdated depends on what you do with your device.
Example: An entry level PC will last a home/student for as long as the physical parts last. Entry level PCs have 500GB HDD, 2-4GB DDR3 RAM, and most have a decent dual core CPU in them.
Gamers find themselves chasing technology quickly and things become outdated after a year. Faster memory, faster drives, bigger/badder GFX cards.
If you use your phone to surf the net, check emails, make and receive calls, take occassional photography, and listen to music then your phone will last as long as it physically lasts.
Now if you always want the "best" user experience (latest software versions, fastest phone) then your phone will not last 1.5 years. I love my Defy physically, but I wish I had Gingerbread. It is the best mid range Android Phone on the market right now. And it is durable to boot.
Most Compact Phone - 3.7" screen yet similar in size to an HTC Wildfire (3.2" screen).
Best Value for Money - Midrange phone with a high resolution 3.7" screen, 800MHz CPU.
Only mainstream Android phone that is durable.

nicksti said:
Now if you always want the "best" user experience (latest software versions, fastest phone) then your phone will not last 1.5 years. I love my Defy physically, but I wish I had Gingerbread.
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well for me outdated can be the time when your phone just stops performing the basic tasks and app and developer support is reduced to the minimum extent.
For ex. I am currently using a Nuron(s60v5) device and it was a great device when i brought it back in July 2010. The phone offered great smartphone capabilities but now with s^3 in the market all products are either not compatible with my device or run too slow for daily use (Opera mobile can't even keep two tabs running simantaneously in a 3g network).
So i believe the dev support here is great and the defy will get support even after motorola stops pushing updates to it. But the BOOTLOADER IS LOCKED and there is no official word on unlocking it.

zakoo2 said:
yeah, i think it is possible to use the defy for more than 1.5 years, at least i'm not planning to buy a new cell in a year there are rumors about motorola unlocking the bootloader and developing official 2.3 (gingerbread) to the defy, so if these are true, it will be supported for a long time. and hardware wise you don't have to worry, it is a high-end phone imo. so you should be fine
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yeah the spec sheet is comparable to a high end phone. And the performance is good too....
Btw are there any sources about the gingerbread update and unlocking bootloader....

Gusar321 said:
I just bought a Defy a little less than two weeks ago. Very similar position to yours - it's a one time thing, because my budget is limited, and the Defy offers nice hardware for the price. So despite the locked bootloader, I went for it. I think we'll be fine. The hacker community around this thing is awesome, not even the locked bootloader slows them down.
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Great man... Enjoy your device and hope that i get mine soon!!

Thanks Guys for helping. +1 to zakoo2, gusar321 and nicksti..
Sorry but had to keep each in seperate posts. As for some reason multi quote isn't working on my mobile.

arpit982 said:
Btw are there any sources about the gingerbread update and unlocking bootloader....
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info about unlocking the bootloader:
http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/27/motorola-jumps-unlocked-bootloader-bandwagon/
and this is a leaked 'official' 2.3.3, !not final!:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081957
hope this helps!

yeah, basically CM7 is running 2.3 aka gingerbread, so with such a healthy dev community, you'll probably get the best user experience the hardware can handle. im pretty sure you'll get to at least ice cream sandwich experince!

Hello !
I probably am in your situation too . I had a Nokia e63 for about 1 and a half year. The phone was great, but the lack of apps and the thing that most of them couldn't run on my device made me think about change
IMO Defy is one of the best choice on the market(good specs @ good price) and thanks to the hard working devs we have gingerbread(CM7/MIUI) and I hope some next releases will be ported to on this mobile device(like ice cream sandwich or future on releases).
Right now defy can run almost everything on the market with no problems !
I highly recommend you to go for this change ! Good Luck

I had a Samsung Galaxy S. Its huge, powerful and awesome. But I switched bcs, its practical, durable, almost as powerful and awesomer!

To Defy+ owners

i'm looking at this phone, does it have problems? were the defy- problems corrected?
But this phone looks really slow, REALLLY slow, i thought my windows phone was slow but this...
can you make a video where animations are off, and start some apps: calls, messaging internet settings?
it'd be greatly appreciated

I can fully recommend this Device, who told you its slow? I believe the OMAP3630 Chipset is one of the fastest 1GHz-chipsets. There are many vids on YouTube, with Defy+ where you can See the performance.

i watched videos , but in all of them animations were enabled, is it possible to disable them?
if so , i want to see if the speed increases
part of the reason i want to move from wp7 to android is speed- productivity
if you have the device and it wouldnt be too difficult , can you post a video? 1 min is enough
or can you at least say if the apps open faster?

No way, the Defy plus is very fast.
Great processor!

ok, and a good price, especially like the ruggedness and battery

What are you guys discussing, both have the same hardware with the defy+ at 1GHz instead of 800mhz and stock gingerbread.
The same can be achieved on defy easily by rooting
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I own a Defy+ so ....
Regarding speed: speed is fine but you can turn animations off. Only thing is that capacitive buttons are not as responsive as hardware buttons. Same as other phones with capacitive buttons.
I have not owned another Android phone to give you a comparison with. It kicks arse over my HTC Topaz.
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What are you guys discussing, both have the same hardware with the defy+ at 1GHz instead of 800mhz and stock gingerbread
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Not quite the same hardware as the battery is is bigger (1700mAh not 1500mAh).
Software wise it is Android 2.3.4 and a different version of Motoblur (less intrusive and probably lighter).
I think if you had a Defy you would speed up the processor and upgrade to 2.3.4 though.
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Anyway here is my assessment:
Pros:
- great size phone for a 3.7 inch screen (you will not find something else with that small width and height)
- dust proof
- water resistant (you can use it under water even if Motorola do not recommend it
- it has some shock proof rating thing (solid build with gorilla glass too)
- 2.3.4 with a 1000mhz processor has pretty good performance
- you do not have to use Motoblur (or any other mandatory interface)
- the phone looks really nice and feels really solid. I mountain-bike with it and will also snowboard with it with no additional protection
- in fairness to Motoblur they do offer some nice functionality for backing up your phone and even remotely finding your phone or deleting data from it (I still opted out though).
Cons:
- power connection is on the side (and is not opposite the volume buttons which limits car holder options a bit)
- may not get an Icecream upgrade due to GPU
- the fact that Motoblur is even on the phone in the first place
- capacitive buttons can be a little unresponsive at times (not helped by me coming from a WM phone and using my nail instead of the end of my finger)

I've seen a couple people say "they fixed the problems with the original defy in the defy+." What do they mean by this exactly? It seems like the hardware is mostly the same so I can only assume they mean the casing? Were there some sort of flaws with it?
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silentsnow31802 said:
I've seen a couple people say "they fixed the problems with the original defy in the defy+." What do they mean by this exactly? It seems like the hardware is mostly the same so I can only assume they mean the casing? Were there some sort of flaws with it?
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Probably 2 things:
1) The Defy was slightly under powered
2) The older version of Motoblur was too intrusive
Both issues can be fixed by modding the Defy. Just the difference in battery.

no, its ear speaker failed too frequently

The earpiece problem was fixed in later production runs of the Defy, you didn't need to wait for the Defy+.

I'm curious what Defy+ owners get on a quadrant score.
On a standard Defy 2.2.1 it gets around 1000. With 1.1ghz it gets about 1350.
I like this phone so much that I'm lookin to pick up an unlocked Defy+ to keep for when my current one goes bad.
thanks

I got 1695 with my stock rooted defy +. Btw some useless apps were frozen with titanium backup
Sent from my GT-P1010

I also want to buy Defy+. Right now I am using Lg Optimus One. I wish it should have front facing camera.

can defy+ run miui??

So, just to get this straight, I presume the Defy + only does data on the standard 2100 frequency? In other words, it will not work on either T-Mo nor AT&T USA 3G?

Go to the Facebook page "Motorola, unlock OUR bootloaders"

Question - with the default camera app I can turn off the camera sound, but with any other I can't... Is there a workaround this. Rooted!

wait a sec is it 3630 ?...my defy shows 3630 while flashing...
well i have flashed sbfs on my defy everytime i connect my defy shows 3630 hardware...what does it mean ? I mean it should b 3620 or somthing right ?

scrannel said:
So, just to get this straight, I presume the Defy + only does data on the standard 2100 frequency? In other words, it will not work on either T-Mo nor AT&T USA 3G?
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Mine is 900 and 2100 but I could have purchased one that was 850 and 2100.
asn39 said:
well i have flashed sbfs on my defy everytime i connect my defy shows 3630 hardware...what does it mean ? I mean it should b 3620 or somthing right ?
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The processor is actually a 3630. It was listed as a 2610 in the Defy and a 2620 in the Defy+ but they are just Motorola settings on the same 3630 processor.