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[Q] Get a Defy? Had SGS, but died

Hey All
Basically I'm in Australia, on Telstra, and have used my brand new Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant that I bought from a website (Bell version) and it's died. DOA. The black screen internal sd failure.
So, I'm looking for another phone. I'm looking at the Defy. I like how it's like bulletproof (not literally, just I call robust and strong things this lol), it's small, and apparently a battery saver & a very nice zippy little phone.
Downsides that I don't like compared to my SGS:
- Not the best screen (compared to SAMOLED)
- No internal memory
- No HD Video recording
- 800mhz compared to 1ghz Hummingbird (yeah I know, don't always count the Mhz)
- 2.1 and Motorola's dodgy software updating frequency
- Motorola UI
But apart from them, I really like it. Don't want a Desire, it's GPU is on the slow side (apparently Defy is getting faster than SGS in some cases) and my friend has one and he's a pain (lol)
So what's the general view of Defy owners? Do you like it? What are it's genuine downsides?

Girlfriend has a defy and i have a vibrant. Its a nice phone, really. Youll notice its slower cause of blur but i added launcher pro to her device and it fixes that. Custom roms for the defy are being worked on now so you will have a fast phone once a vanilla android experience is ported. It plays any game we throw at it. The screen is but its not bad either! Get it.
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Oh and it has 2 gigs of app memory inside
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Honestly, defy's performances are a lot better than i expected.
Any game or app runs smootly, there's no lags at all except for the Blur UI (but, this is just a blur issue).
Of course, the screen is worst than SAMOLED but you will love it just because it's a big screen in a small phone I really like this feature.
About internal memory (not external SD i mean), defy has 2GB rom (ram is 512mb), you'll have more than 1.2 GB free for your apps.
Overall, a great phone.

alexbob1318 said:
- Not the best screen (compared to SAMOLED)
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It's actually one of the better LCDs around. No idea why people think its average, they should have a look at recent panels found on current HTC phones
I prefer it to the fuzzy pentile LEDs too (SGS: 0.38 Million RB subpixels, Defy: 0.82 Million)
http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_1.htm
alexbob1318 said:
- No internal memory
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It's got 2GB (~1.5GB available for apps)
alexbob1318 said:
- No HD Video recording
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Yep, no 720p recording. (but could change in the future.. if the SoC is a 3630 )
alexbob1318 said:
- 800mhz compared to 1ghz Hummingbird (yeah I know, don't always count the Mhz)
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It's a standard OMAP 36xx core which runs at 1.2GHz in the droid 2 global (easy OC on the Defy) and is comparable to the hummingbird. SGX530 is slower than the 540 found in the Galaxy S but has little impact for most games (excluding emulation etc)
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- 2.1 and Motorola's dodgy software updating frequency
- Motorola UI
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Software is Motorolas a main problem area. Motoblur is bloated and kills performance.
2.2 should be released in Q2 2011 (a long long time for a OS update that should've been released with the phone)

The LCD on the DEFY is far from great. I have the SGS Vibrant and make no mistake the screen is better for more reasons that the black levels and color saturation.
This fuzzy text thing is as overblown as it can be. It's not a problem when you're not running off at the mouth about how horrible it isn't..
The LCD on the DEFY has horrible viewing angles as well. `
I have the DEFY and I overclocked it, it runs great overclocked but battery life took a hit in a major way. Secondly -
REPLACING THE LAUNCHER DOES NOT FIX LAG OR REMOVE THE MOTOBLUR INTERFACE.
This is a cancer running rampant, LauncherPro does NOTHING for performance. It does NOT remove MOTOBLUR and it looks terrible with highly gradient colors/shading.

Is defy worth picking up?

So i sold my Desire Z cuz i didnt like the keyboard and it was faulty, so now i need a new phone. I have always had my eyes on the defy right before i even bought my DZ. So now i am between buying the Defy or the Ideos X5, or should i wait and buy a proper and better phone like the SGS II? I dont have any heavy or high usage, i want good call quality, playing some 3d-games, messaging, browsing and checking email and so on.. i can get it for 300€~ here where i live in sweden so do u think defy is worth picking up? I have been watching reviews all the day and i still dont know if i should pick it up or not? whats ur thoughts about this?
i've also heard about the faulty earpiece is this fixed with the new defys or is it still common?
edit: oh ive also got another question: when u decide to put on pattern lock, and when u put the phone to sleep and wake it up does it go through motorola default lock -> unlock pattern -> phone opens or is it unlock pattern -> phone opens?

the whole earpiece fiasco is fixed in new defy's, and if your defy is running 2.1 then yes you can turn of the normal lock screen and only have a pattern, any 2.2 rom will require you to have the lockscreen (so default lock -> unlock pattern -> phone opens) this is a problem of froyo not the defy. I'm unsure but i believe there are apps that remove teh default lock screen

Hi
The earpiece problem was never common just more than average, i know five people including me that have a Defy and non of us has the earpiece Problem.
Moreover we are all very happy with it, its the best android phone that came in to my hands so far. In my opinion, the only phone that can compete from the hardware point of view is the Samsung Wave, but it doesn't have Android on it.
the only reason to buy another is if you want a larger screen, but thats personal taste, i didn't
greetings

I used to have a Desire...i like my Moto Defy much more. This is my 4th Android handset...not due another until next February and i know this phone will be good to me until then!

I came to the defy from a spica and i love this phone: all applications runs very smoothly, and for me having it resistant and waterproof is useful (under rain or at beach
For the earphone problems, it seems that it has been fixed with the reçent deliveries.

Pros of the defy:
Life-proof
Great scree
fast processor (that over-clocks well)
Cons:
Ear-piece failure
MotoBlur
Android 2.1 and very very slow update schedule.
Personally now I have put a blurless 2.2 on and had my ear-piece fixed I like the phone again. My advice go for it, but buy it from somewhere with a generous returns policy!
Olly

Should add I am using the 2.2 rom from ephumuris. Good work mate, cheers!
Olly

ollyshaw said:
Cons:
Ear-piece failure
MotoBlur
Android 2.1 and very very slow update schedule.
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With custom roms and ear-piece fix there is no more cons
But if you want to keep the warranty the cons are still here... That's up to you

ollyshaw said:
Pros of the defy:
Life-proof
Great scree
fast processor (that over-clocks well)
Cons:
Ear-piece failure
MotoBlur
Android 2.1 and very very slow update schedule.
Personally now I have put a blurless 2.2 on and had my ear-piece fixed I like the phone again. My advice go for it, but buy it from somewhere with a generous returns policy!
Olly
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i fail to see how blur is a problem when you can just use launcher pro and forget about blur, even my bog standard defy used as just a phone will hit 5 days of standby. Some people even like blur you know *shock horror*

Jt612 said:
the whole earpiece fiasco is fixed in new defy's, and if your defy is running 2.1 then yes you can turn of the normal lock screen and only have a pattern, any 2.2 rom will require you to have the lockscreen (so default lock -> unlock pattern -> phone opens) this is a problem of froyo not the defy. I'm unsure but i believe there are apps that remove teh default lock screen
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thx mate, but in galaxy S u can use unlock pattern -> phone opens that was something that annoyed me in the desire z, but in my friends galaxy s it worked very well with just unlock pattern...
is the defy hard to root? i heard u only need z4root and then its done?

Z4root didnt work for me on 2.51. Super one click for 2.1 however worked great. Have to run it windows though.
Sent from my Defy on CM7.

despite the hole ear piece problem , i liked it ,cause i've bought jabra street bt headset and i'm using my phone with total freedom plus all the games are working smoothly like nova 2 it's damn perfect.
so i'm one of the biggest fans. even i really recommend it more than ericsson arc
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MrBelter said:
i fail to see how blur is a problem when you can just use launcher pro and forget about blur, even my bog standard defy used as just a phone will hit 5 days of standby. Some people even like blur you know *shock horror*
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The problem with it is not the widgets or the launcher (I use ADW). The problem for me has been wonky Facebook sync and the odd infinite loop and battery drain with the exchange sync. Admittedly I have not seen this with blur on versions 2.51 and above.
Maybe not a big problem, but certainly in my top three gripes.
Olly

I think this phone is a best-buy, especially here in Romania, where you can get it pretty cheap, compared to other phones with a similar screen. For me very important is the screen resolution, and you cannot get any better then this, without going to a tablet. The processor speed is irelevant, and 800MHz is enough for everyday use. It can be overclocked easily.

thx guys 4 ur answers, i am between this and ideos x5...
the problem is that motorola wont upgrade it beyond 2.2, and i havent got the guts to rooting and puting in custom rom on any phone yet cuz the fear of brickning it
btw how is the phone's GPS? i intend to use it in my car for navigation is it trustable?

I've been a big fan of SE for a long time, but Defy really changed my opinion. Don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but in Brazil Motorola is known to be the reference for well built hardware, durable and resistant phones. This phone has also the best trade-off between price and performance here at the moment. Recommended.

it's totally worth it, especially with such a great community of developers like we have here.

where i live (sweden) there is some retailers who will ship the phone with this rom included as stock http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040777 and with 2.2 aka no blur !
i just need to see SGS II it seems awesome...but the screen is way to big for me

is 346€ worth for a brand new defy running android 2.2 nordic? without a contract ofc. I wonder if its easy to overclock it to 1000mhz? will it drain my battery if i did it? which program to download for overclocking?

romdroid. said:
is 346€ worth for a brand new defy running android 2.2 nordic? without a contract ofc. I wonder if its easy to overclock it to 1000mhz? will it drain my battery if i did it? which program to download for overclocking?
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Naturally it depends on the price of other alternatives. But 346€ is a bit expensive compared with ~270€ in HK. It's easy to overclock. Just root and install SetVsel or Milestone Overclock.

Motorola defy+ is Coming

Here i found this in the internet
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/21/motorola-defy-mildly-upgraded-defy-heading-att/

I prefer my Defy with 2.3.4.

Interesting that the defy has a 3630 processor according to the forum and the defy+ has a 3620 .
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I prefer my defy too and with a omap 3620 is it not huge Upgraded its like a ass kick for more Speed xD the omap 3640 would be the better choice for defy plus
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the defy actually has a 3610 with an sgx530 gpu, its not a 3630 according to motorola. and our cpu can easily handle up to 1.2ghz, dunno why they had to replace it. maybe 3620 sounds/looks better, and they had to change something in the defy+... btw, does anybody know whether the defy+ roms will be compatible with a bayer defy?
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An omap3620 instead of 3610... I wouldn't call it an upgrade, they're are not much different, both CPUs support 1ghz clock speed while 3610 is underclocked.. so, once we "OC" our Defy to 1Ghz we get something like a Defy+
Well, not bad, i'll save some money.
Interesting that the defy has a 3630 processor according to the forum and the defy+ has a 3620
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Well, Motorola said 3610 but all points to 3630.. uhm, now Motorola says 3620, could it be an omap3640 then?

zakoo2 said:
the defy actually has a 3610 with an sgx530 gpu, its not a 3630 according to motorola. and our cpu can easily handle up to 1.2ghz, dunno why they had to replace it. maybe 3620 sounds/looks better, and they had to change something in the defy+... btw, does anybody know whether the defy+ roms will be compatible with a bayer defy?
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I think it would be compatible because the leaked gb from defy + works with Bayer Device Red lens i Have soc Device for me it doesnt work Hmm but the green lens is newer than the Red lens maybe we have luck and it works for green too
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xdaid said:
An omap3620 instead of 3610... I wouldn't call it an upgrade, they're are not much different, both CPUs support 1ghz clock speed while 3610 is underclocked.. so, once we "OC" our Defy to 1Ghz we get something like a Defy+
Well, not bad, i'll save some money.
Well, Motorola said 3610 but all points to 3630.. uhm, now Motorola says 3620, could it be an omap3640 then?
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I dont think it would be the omap 3640 but the cpu is much better than the omap 3620. I wish for the coming defy + owners that would be the omap 3640
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dumrul said:
I think it would be compatible because the leaked gb from defy + works with Bayer Device Red lens i Have soc Device for me it doesnt work
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what do you mean it doesnt work? doesnt boot, freezes, or just the camera? and isnt there a patch for green lens to work on leaked gb?

dumrul said:
I think it would be compatible because the leaked gb from defy + works with Bayer Device Red lens i Have soc Device for me it doesnt work Hmm but the green lens is newer than the Red lens maybe we have luck and it works for green too
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erm unless im mistaken the red lens are newer.

zannyuk said:
erm unless im mistaken the red lens are newer.
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maybe he meant only the lens not the device. afaik the red lens is the same as in the milestone, and the green lens is also used in iphone 4. so the green is probably newer.

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maybe he meant only the lens not the device. afaik the red lens is the same as in the milestone, and the green lens is also used in iphone 4. so the green is probably newer.
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I don't think so...
Green lens aren't sell anymore, as they've been replaced with red lenses ( bayer ).

it doesnt sell with defy. but it does in iphone. so you cant be sure its older...

The iPhone 4 was firstly released June 24th 2010 so i do not think that it is possible to say that because the same sensor is used in the iPhone that thats why the green lens is newer.
But all leaked ROM's only work with RED lens camera so i think that the Defy+ will most likely be with that. Why would you make ROM's and afterwards change the camera and build new drivers in for that?

Good choice for android newbies, but so far my defy rocks already to me.

DEFY+ might be the same defy red lens phone...with GB....whatever might be the CPU we have TI 3630 currently which is bluffed by moto as TI 3610...jus need roms and sbf to flash on..!! waiting for the new leaks..

our defy is definitely has 3630..i still have no idea why dint they tell us the truth..maybe they had plans to make defy+ that time only..defy+ is actually a downgraded version of our defy, which will only have red lens (sad news for green lens users like me as those ROM wont support green lens)
even green lens has very good capabilities but its performance is limited to the software..we can see that in iphone 4 camera quality.

The defy will not be the first product that is placed in a position by marketing that is on a different level than what the technical staff built. It will also be no surprise of the defy+ turns out to meet an operator requirement instead of being what moto wants to build independently.
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I have to correct myself: the green defy lens is a ov5642 while the one in iphone 4 is ov5650. but according to the datasheets both support hd (or even fullhd) recording, so i dont get why they replaced it with the red lens (of which we dont even know the product id...).

According to Racca (a member here at XDA who has contacts with Motorola distributors), Defy+ will be pretty much the same as the model we have by now. The differences will be aesthetic (new cover: the "outer ring" - where the buttons and screws are located - wil be silver, with bordeaux or purple buttons/battery locker - screen pannel, the phone jack cover, MicroUSB cover and battery cover will remain black), and it'll have a slightly better battery (1700mAh). Also, yeah, our Defys all have OMAP 3630 (it's recognized many times in pieces of code, logs and also in RSD Lite), even though Moto says it's a 3610. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about this. Since we can NOT install ROMs made for phones with different hardware, no matter how slight are those differences (i.e.: Droid 2/Milestone 2 is almost identical to Defy in its inner parts - same screen, same camera module, same RAM modules... Except for the obvious differences, like the keyboard - which the pairs Quench/Cliq and T-Mo G1/MyTouch 3G shows that's not a hindrance to install ROMs, since they have same hardware, with Quench and MT3G lacking the keyboard and being able to receive Cliq and G1 ROMs - they're nearly identical, but some key components - like the mobo - are different) without some adaptation (many Defy ROMs are adapted Droid 2/Milestone 2 ROMs, with drivers changed and some pieces of coded edited to allow the flashing), the possibility to flash a SBF that is meant for Defy+ in a normal Defy without ANY modding is a clear proof, IMHO, that they also share the same CPU.
So, just to sum up: Defy+ is NOT going a new model (for our purposes). They'll just give it a new battery and some paintjob, and sell it as a whole new phone. Since we know our CPU can handle up to 1.35 GHz (not THAT stable, but I'm running my Defy at 1.3 without problems for a couple of weeks, now), 1GHz at a new model won't be anything new to us. Since we know the CPU is an OMAP 3630, there's no sense for us to believe they'll actually put a 3620 on Defy+. Finally, since the ROMs meant for Defy+ are completely flashable WITHOUT ANY WORKOUTS NEEDED (just plug the phone in RSD Lite and flash the SBF) in the current Defy, I think we have reasons to believe no actual upgrade is going to happen. Racca also told that they won't make any noise about the "new" model (which is good, because the Defy dev community would get REALLY upset if they announced it as a "whole new" replacement for the current Defy).
P.S.: Related, but not meaningful: Racca also said that, along with all the new mid and high end phones that Motorola released in the past 2 weeks, they were considering to equip Defy+ with 1GB RAM - which would be nice, but still, at least for me, not a reason to get a new device.
P.S. 2: In this page from official Motorola website, they say that Defy has a 3610 CPU, and PowerVR SGX 530. But, in this document from Texas Instruments (manufacturer of the OMAP processors), they say clearly that the 3610 has NO graphics accelerator, which is available only in 3620 and higher models. Also, Defy has IVA (Image, video and audio acceleration) 2+ (since it can record and playback 720p coded at h.264 - even though it's only available with hacking, the simple fact that it is available states that it is NO hardware limitation), which is not available in 3610 NOR in 3620, leaving us with 3630 as the only option of CPU for the Defy.

What is the future of green lens/soc defy?

I want to buy a defy but after the green /red lens situation.i am not sure about the future of green lens defy ? i don't want Good camera or 720p recording but will developers make further roms for defy as defy+ has been launched ?. I think that developers will make future rom's by taking defy+ in mind which have red lens.so chances are that further roms will get less and less comaptible with defy with green lens.Can developers give any detail on this that the defy+ will make no effect on the green len's defy owners and they will get developers always best services even in the future? So that i will have no problem in getting wonderful defy even with green lens or whatever

Buy defy+ instead...
I think new Defys come with Bayer modules so ur good to go...
Fortunate to own a Red Lens Defy...
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
sent from my cm7.1 defy...

one more question i have heard bayer defy were mde between feb to july...so if i am fortunate to get a red lens defy now it will be 8 months old ...so should i buy a red lens defy which was manufactured 8 months before or a green lens defy which is made recently like 1 month old

pankajkainthla said:
one more question i have heard bayer defy were mde between feb to july...so if i am fortunate to get a red lens defy now it will be 8 months old ...so should i buy a red lens defy which was manufactured 8 months before or a green lens defy which is made recently like 1 month old
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I guess green lens is the old one and red one is new...
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i dont think you can buy a new red lensed one, only with green lens (the ones with red lens are called defy+ now, thats the whole point, thats why they dont sell red lensed defys anymore).
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zakoo2 said:
defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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i dont think you can buy a new red lensed one, only with green lens (the ones with red lens are called defy+ now, thats the whole point, thats why they dont sell red lensed defys anymore).
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Some latest Defys have red lenses, but they're rare, and i guess no longer in production seen as Defy+ came out

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BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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I second this..get a Nexus instead. Just before you start building castles in the air by hoping for regular software updates from Motorola, just go visit their official support forum. There they have declared that there won't be any further software updates for the Defy and thats not just because of the green lens/SOC module issue but also because with GB Defy will come in direct competition with the Defy+. This is one of the many of Motorola's sleazy sales policies and they just don't give a rats ass about existing customers, period. You will be surprised how many petition posts are there on that forum from customers pleading for software updates. They just ignore those posts. And if you are thinking that perhaps getting a Defy+ instead of a Defy will mark the beginning of a beautiful friendship with the company, you are mistaken there too. Same thing will happen to the Defy+ with the release of Defy++ or Defy# or whatever.
I'll admit that the Defy is a good phone in terms of flexibility like rooting etc. because of its 'unbrickableness' due to the locked bootloader, but in terms of official updates its a nightmare. If your decision to go for the Defy was due to its ruggedness features then you could also consider the Xperia Active.

there are some options better than the defy... like nexus S
but the green leans (soc module) is the old module, new defys are coming with red lens (bayer module)..

Want thsese features only.....
i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?

The cyanogen team will be rolling updates for both soc/bayer
Defy. So keeping it updated shouldn't be a problem.
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pankajkainthla said:
i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
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you will care about updates when everyone around you will use ICS (android 4.0), and youre still on 2.1. nexus s already has official ICS, defy will never have it (and defy+ wont either afaik). nexus s has better cpu and much better gpu, so you wont have any lag, thats for sure. you wont see the difference between the two displays (the defy has a slightly higher resolution screen, but thats not that big of a difference), and the nexus has bigger sceen. internet works like magic on both phones. and one more thing: the nexus s has a built in nfc chip, the defy doesnt. cheers!

Motorola defy earpiece problem fixed or not!!!!
Does the earpiece problem still exists in motorola defy or it has been fixed ?

Disable motorola defy capactive buttons vibration android froyo....
Hi, can anybody tell me how to disable the capacitive buttons vibration on motorola defy?i have unchecked the heptic feedback but problem still lives. I am using android 2.2.2 .Plz provide some suggestions as the vibration is very annoying

pankajkainthla said:
i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
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I have a green lens Defy so let me help answer ur question.
1. Yes no lag, on CM7 and GO launcher
2. Yes awesome resolution for its size, I havent a problem with it.
3. Internet works fine, 3G/HSDPA is fast, wifi not a problem...though some on nightlys wifi can be a problem. <---need some tweaking
So all in all, yes Defy is a great phone for your requirement with an added bonus of being more robust than others.
Though your requirements fits many other phones out there

pankajkainthla said:
Does the earpiece problem still exists in motorola defy or it has been fixed ?
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It still exists on the majority of Defys :/
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pankajkainthla said:
Hi, can anybody tell me how to disable the capacitive buttons vibration on motorola defy?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.cynyx.vibrafix works for me.
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crakeron said:
It still exists on the majority of Defys :/
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Not according to Motorola. The official advice on the Motorola support forum for the Defy is as follows:
If you remove the battery you should see a label inside the battery compartment with a bar code and the words "Made in China". If the characters above "Made in China" include "BTxx" or "BFxx" then the phone should not be at risk of suffering the earpiece problem. Alternatively, if there is a blue dot on the label then the phone should also not be at risk.
So if your phone has "BTxx" or "BFxx", or a blue dot, then it doesn't have the fault. Bear in mind that there can be other reasons for the earpiece to fail, over and above the known fault which Motorola have acknowleged, so even a phone not in the "at risk" batch can still go wrong for other reasons eg mistreatment, or a one-off manufacturing error. Conversely, if your phone is in one of the suspect batches then it's not necessarily bound to break: my phone does not have any of the reassuring markings but the earpiece has been fine so far, touch wood.

zakoo2 said:
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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well its not true that Nexus is around the same price as Defy+ ... f.e. amazon.de Nexus S - 296,66 EUR, Defy 228,90 EUR, Defy+ 237,89 EUR. If you want simmilar to Nexus S price, I would prefer SE Arc S. But diff between Defy+ and normal is too small, that I suggest to buy the newer stuff. And support is in the future - as Google said, that all devices with stock Gingerbread should get ICS too. We will see.

untill now i still can decide my defy got green or red lens even after read a thread about it
any other step that can i try?

zakoo2 said:
defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
sent from my cm7.1 defy...
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From Nexus to DEFY - I think DEFY can be defined as a phone against NEXUS

Should i buy Defy ! ?

I am a proud user of LG Optimus one which s a fabulous phone due to dev support here @ XDA. I am thinking of buying DEFY. I have few questions.
1. Will Defy be a upgrade from LG optimus one?
2. I heard of earpiece failing problems. Is it prominent?
3. I am an audiophile . So i need an in ear earphones for Defy. Is ther any?
4. How s the dev support for defy. Does defy support well known roms such as oxygen, cm and MIUI?
5. I heard defy suffers because of locked bootloader? Is it curtail the development for this mobile?
6. Does defy have any other problems?
Thanks guyz. Awaiting response.

1) defy is definitely an upgrade from optimus one. It has much better hardware.
2) earpiece problem existed in the earlier models. Now they have fixed it.
3) the earphones (not in ear) provided with the phone is decent. If you don't like them maybe buy a senheiser.
4) dev support is really good. We have official cm and MIUI. Both are very stable.
5) we have had amazing development even with the locked bootloader. Devs have found workarounds but we can't boot custom kernels and this does limit the potential of this device.
6) if you buy a new defy now you will probably get one with green lens. It doesn't support 720p recording and has other incompatibility issues with defy with red lens. Although if you buy a defy+ you will get red lens and official ics update and still use the dev roms for defy.

I bet u there are better phones than defy out there...
Defy is now old!!
I don't say its a bad phone but Motorola sucks!!
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get one ^^
Moto Moto [so good you say it twice]

overall is a great phone and the build quality is the best IMO as it go water resistance and scratch resistance...

If I look at it now, I would have bought a used nexus s. But defy is cheaper and I find it quite good for the money. Especially with CM7.
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Defy is a good phone indeed but it's old now!
I think you should get some other phone and it's not the right moment to buy any motorola device since they're keeping on lying about bootloader matter.

I'm a proud 1 year Defy user looking to buy a Desire Z or something similar.
1. I cannot tell you more than the specs comparison would tell you. But if the screen is bigger than it is an upgrade (I wouldn't buy anything below 480*800
2. That was a problem of the first batches. By the time I bought mine (February 2011) it was already solved.
3. Any stereo headphone will work. I've tried 2 pairs of Apple, some Bose with mic from a Berry Torch, some Samsung that came with Galaxy S+. I use a pair of HeadDirect RE0 (without mic). If you're a big fan of good sound try RE0 or Phonak PFE221 or head over to head-fi.org for advice.
4./5. There are quite a few devs around here. Not too many, but very active. Sadly the locked bootloader keeps them behind (Desire Z already has AOSP ICS 4.0.3 for example). So giving the situation I can say that it is a very supported phone. So there is CM7.1, a few flavors of MIUI, a few modified originals and combinations.
6. At the moment I don't know of any major, wide spread problems.
I should also mention the green/red lens thingie:
Green: also called SoC, no 720p, common on Defy, drivers in 2.1 and 2.2 Moto ROMs
Red: also called Bayer, 720p capable, found on some Defy's and Defy+, drivers in 2.3 MotoROMs
LE: Hardware wise Defy is a great phone (one of the best price/quality) but the locked bootloader pisses me off. I am also looking forward to try a hardware querty.

I bought one of the first Defys released in the US (Nov 2010), Green lens and all. Have had zero issues that I could not sort myself. You might look at the Defy Plus as it has a faster processor and runs 2.3 out of the box (I believe). But, it does not have the t-mo 3G frequency.

I am a bit disappointed to have a phone from Motorola but Optimus one is just a crap if u compare it with defy.
Defy is at least 100 times better than optimus one in all aspect.

By Scott, pull the trigger...
I'm using the optima one titanium, and i would trade this any day for my defy back!!!
Ps.
Month old lg optimus p509 for sale/ trade, Motorola defy..
No scratches, pristine condition. Boxed with original gear, a well as two extra screen protectors, and the case i bought.
Original parts include ear buds, charge with cable as well as 4gb Sandisc micro card.
Phone still has first screen protector, and has never/ will never be overclocked!!!
Let me know
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Thanks guyz. Awaiting response.
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I guess you can answer this question asking yourself how much you have in the pocket.
For me, it's the best cost/benefit in the market, and I recomend it for everyone!
But if you can buy a brand new model with more 'skills' than the defy, go for it.

I recommend Defy, but HTC HD2 and NexusS also have great value...
IMHO, Defy and RAZR are the best quality made phones, take that as an advantage...

mihovil13 said:
I recommend Defy, but HTC HD2 and NexusS also have great value...
IMHO, Defy and RAZR are the best quality made phones, take that as an advantage...
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yeah but Nexus S build quality is not really as good as Defy's and honestly the back is just ugly (a bit better hardware though and Google support) Hd2 is a very good phone! Very good build quality, very good dev support (maybe the best) but Defy is Faster/Smooter (android native) and has better screen...
I heard that defy is old....yeah? Nexus S is as old as defy...hd2 is veeeery old but still a good phone... As long as you don't go for a dual core phone there's no need to change defy. Is as good as any single core phone on the market, no real/visible difference (performance wise)!

pravarth said:
1) defy is definitely an upgrade from optimus one. It has much better hardware...
...6) if you buy a new defy now you will probably get one with green lens. It doesn't support 720p recording and has other incompatibility issues with defy with red lens. Although if you buy a defy+ you will get red lens and official ics update and still use the dev roms for defy.
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Source on official ICS update? motorola page says it will stay on 2.3

Defy is Great!
Defy is good to go with!
1) It is wtr proof, scratch proof, dust proof.
2) Speed is amazing in CM7 mode.
3) ICS is almost ready only HWA and Camrecoder are left to be fixed. it might be completed within few days for more info visit this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432100

Yes,you can.
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Defy+/Defy GB Kernel. this should work with the regular defy with a bayer camera right?

defy is not bad
defy is not bad

Yes, It works.
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