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Updated Rooted Device - Constant Reboot

Hi,
I need quick help. I unthinkably installed accepted to install a OTA update (2.29.405.5) on my Stock HTC ROM, forgetting that I had rooted my phone and the update was unsuccessful telling me that 'E:failed to verify whole- file signature'. Could someone tell me what to do next.
Thank you in advance.

Deeco7 said:
Hi,
I need quick help. I unthinkably installed accepted to install a OTA update (2.29.405.5) on my Stock HTC ROM, forgetting that I had rooted my phone and the update was unsuccessful telling me that 'E:failed to verify whole- file signature'. Could someone tell me what to do next.
Thank you in advance.
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If you can boot into recovery, then wipe all data & restore the latest nandroid backup you had.
If you can't then install an Official HTC RUU ROM (but after that you need to root it again).

The OTA will have replaced the recovery so that can't be done. Flash the 2.29.405.5 RUU, root again and then restore the last nandroid you did

nagypapi said:
If you can boot into recovery, then wipe all data & restore the latest nandroid backup you had.
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Brilliant! +1.
One more thing: Can you direct me to a guide to updating rooted device?

Deeco7 said:
Brilliant! +1.
One more thing: Can you direct me to a guide to updating rooted device?
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A rooted device?
1. You update it manually from a .zip file, but then you have to ROOT it again.
I do not reccomend this one, because it can cause bootloops, or simply just won't work (depends on many factors).
2. Flash a custom ROM (even pre-rooted custom stock ROMs are on the site). A full list of ROMs can be found here.

As you've just found out, you can't update a rooted stock ROM so you answered your own question

Can I un-root then update OTA and then re-root, or will that cause problems too?

You can't unroot without flashing an RUU so you might as well flash the 2.29.405.5 RUU and then root that

Wow, what a headache. Is there anything else besides 'automatic download to sd card of apps' that has changed in this update that is worth flashing to?
If I decide to go ahead. Will I be able to use my nandroid backup?

Deeco7 said:
Wow, what a headache. Is there anything else besides 'automatic download to sd card of apps' that has changed in this update that is worth flashing to?
If I decide to go ahead. Will I be able to use my nandroid backup?
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This is what I've found (no changelog tough):
The first positive HTC Desire firmware change is that apps are now installed directly to the SD card for downloading, and I no longer go through the hassle of downloading and then move.
A couple of minor negative:
- The HTC Desire live wallpaper you can get “stuck”. By this I mean that if you use the stock HTC wallpaper live and go to the big screen to the left, a dark blue, to launch an app is a widget, then do not go back directly to the main page, the wall paper will continue to live on the left side of the Most of the screens (ie, that home screen is a darker blue). It looks cool when it happens.
- This HTC Desire update configures the application to sync kits. Just disable it again, then everything is fine.
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And you can use your nandroid backup (when you restore - it will use the previous version not this new one).

nagypapi said:
(when you restore - it will use the previous version not this new one).
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Sorry, I didn't understand this clearly, could you clarify.

I mean if you restore that it will overwrite the RUU version you want to flash.

Oh okay, I think I will stay with '2.29.405.2' for now, not worth updating or the hassle. Thanks both for the help.

Just wanted to know if there is an alternative way to back up apps and data when I choose to upgrade to latest firmware, and not have to worry about compatiblity or fw version. Thanks.

[Q]recovery back to 2.1 from 2.2

There r some 2.2 roms which are not downgradable. I flashed a 2.2 pay's rom and then tried to restore a nand backup of 2.1 rom but the phone kept restarting from boot screen. The 2.2 rom being non downgradable was causing this? How and where can i find downgradable roms?

No one knows this? please reply i'm in a great trouble

its impossible

There is no way for you to downgrade to Eclair once you're on FroYo...
shad0wboss said:
There r some 2.2 roms which are not downgradable. I flashed a 2.2 pay's rom and then tried to restore a nand backup of 2.1 rom but the phone kept restarting from boot screen. The 2.2 rom being non downgradable was causing this? How and where can i find downgradable roms?
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im pretty sure you can if you used the chinese rom in such a way as jboogie.

Jt612 said:
im pretty sure you can if you used the chinese rom in such a way as jboogie.
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I had jboogie, can you tell me how i could do it?

I managed to return to 2.1.
I had the Finland ROM, wiped it, restored a 2.34.1 nandroid backup then flashed the 2.21 bootloader.
The only problem is that vibration is entirely gone now [probably because the nandroid backup wasn't really that cool]. Does anyone know how to enable it again?

zencoran said:
its impossible
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Nothing is impossible, I believe what you have to do is flash to a higher rom which has downgradibility and then go to original from there hence bypassing the problem I might be wrong hopefully someone can give backing.
Goodluck
-jabba

koltzu said:
I managed to return to 2.1.
I had the Finland ROM, wiped it, restored a 2.34.1 nandroid backup then flashed the 2.21 bootloader.
The only problem is that vibration is entirely gone now [probably because the nandroid backup wasn't really that cool]. Does anyone know how to enable it again?
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Can you explain in more detail, please?

Latest roms all allow direct downgrade from 2.2 to 2.1, or from later 2.1 to early 2.1. Yet it is still possible to downgrade. You have to restore from backup of the old rom, and then flash a boot-only sbf to fool the bootloader.

ABC_Universal said:
Latest roms all allow direct downgrade from 2.2 to 2.1, or from later 2.1 to early 2.1. Yet it is still possible to downgrade. You have to restore from backup of the old rom, and then flash a boot-only sbf to fool the bootloader.
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Basically when i restore the 2.1 backup on 2.2 sbf, the phone keeps restarting...after this do i have to flash a bootloader so that it loads? would that work? because flashing the bootloader is the only thing i haven't done.

It is possible do downgrade. I made it like user in this topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=985312 and I also have not got haptic feedback :/
Now flashing 2.51 and see what will happen.
Edit:
Phone is not booting after flashing. It seems like it was redirecting one bootloader to another and then boot system. Also some features like haptic feedback are inside bootloader.

x7iBiT said:
Can you explain in more detail, please?
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I installed Clockwork recovery to my Defy, booted into it and then restored a 2.34.1 Nandroid backup that a friend of mine gave me. Then I flashed the 2.21 bootonly sbf.
It booted but there's no vibration whatsoever, no vibe during calls, using the capacitive keys or moving a widget/app around on the homescreen. Also entering the camera just makes the OS freeze.
I've also tried it with 2 other Nandroid backups and it's the same thing.
It's the bootloader I guess so there's nothing to do

[Q] "Where to start " for defy ??

i think our forum is so much jumbled and crowded with soo much great stuffs
please i would like to request something to pick up for flashing and other questions . i am finding difficulty in initializing my research on my defy
Requesting your co operation to link up some threads in proper order to work with and start from some sort of START / FIRST READ ME GUIDE
sorry for the request its just i dont like my defy to get bricked (soft or hard).
Thank you

Just a question: which version of Android is your Defy running? I know most Defys run Eclair, but some are already being sold with Froyo installed. This affects directly on the flashing process: if you have Eclair, you have to make a special kind of backup. You know, custom firmwares void your warranty.
If your Defy has Froyo and you flash another Froyo ROM (or CM7, which is Gingerbread), you can easily switch back to your stock firmware if you need to send your device to repair. If your stock ROM is Eclair, and you flash Froyo or Gingerbread, without the special backup, you won't be able to downgrade.
IMO this is a good place to start. Waiting for your reply in order to send further instructions.

Iam also having the same problem. I bought mine two days ago.. And I don't know where to start from..
My defy has eclair.. And I bought it in india.. So I should backup first?
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A good place to start is the wiki, it has all the starter info you need http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Motorola_Defy.jpg

K3n H1mur4 said:
Just a question: which version of Android is your Defy running? I know most Defys run Eclair, but some are already being sold with Froyo installed. This affects directly on the flashing process: if you have Eclair, you have to make a special kind of backup. You know, custom firmwares void your warranty.
If your Defy has Froyo and you flash another Froyo ROM (or CM7, which is Gingerbread), you can easily switch back to your stock firmware if you need to send your device to repair. If your stock ROM is Eclair, and you flash Froyo or Gingerbread, without the special backup, you won't be able to downgrade.
IMO this is a good place to start. Waiting for your reply in order to send further instructions.
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thanks for your prompt reply, i am running eclair as my stock rom 2.59 deblur edition (india) so please guide me for what you been talking as "special backup"

We both have same defy.. Waiting for a good answer..
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I also got really lost in the first days, but you just have to have the discipline and patience to read a lot, after a few days of reading the defy boards here at xda I felt ready to start modding it.

hi, i need help too.
im a bit confused.
defy is my first android phone
just rooted it yesterday w/ superoneclick.
my phone is still on eclair 2.1
build no.
jdnem u3 2.51.0 which i believe is from india
can i update it to any froyo? how? i wanna try cm7 and other custom roms and able to downgrade.pls help and give step by step nooby instructions.
thanks defy community
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This page lists the important threads in an organized way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Motorola_Defy
The threads linked however, can have over a hundred pages So it may not be what you are looking for

K3n H1mur4 said:
If your Defy has Froyo and you flash another Froyo ROM (or CM7, which is Gingerbread), you can easily switch back to your stock firmware if you need to send your device to repair.
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Thanks!
A question about that:
I have a new defy with OTA froyo update from T-Mobile USA. If I want another froyo rom, do I need to flash the sbf/firmware, or can I just do a nandroid recovery of the new rom with clockworkmod?

Zach21 said:
Thanks!
A question about that:
I have a new defy with OTA froyo update from T-Mobile USA. If I want another froyo rom, do I need to flash the sbf/firmware, or can I just do a nandroid recovery of the new rom with clockworkmod?
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If you flash a new sbf without a wipe, you will keep all your apps etc, whereas you'll have to back everything up and reinstall if u do a nandroid. i recommend backing up either way.

stewi21 said:
If you flash a new sbf without a wipe, you will keep all your apps etc, whereas you'll have to back everything up and reinstall if u do a nandroid. i recommend backing up either way.
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Thanks!
I don't really have anything on this phone to keep since its new, data and apps can be wiped out completely.
I do want to get rid of the motoblur apps.
So this is what I plan on:
Root (already done)
Install CWM
Backup my existing rom on sdcard
Copy new rom to sdcard
Flash new rom with CWM
Say goodbye to Motoblur
I imagine I will need to do a couple of data wipes in the process. I assume before backup and before flashing.
Will this work? Motoblur gone for good?
Update:
WORKS
I highly recommend JBoogie3 roms. Quick and easy.

[Q] is it possible to backup my current Rom before installing a custom Rom

Sorry for noob question but is it possible to do this? If not how would I restore my Desire HD to the official Rom after installing a custom one?
Thanks in advance.
T90

armadacd55 said:
Sorry for noob question but is it possible to do this? If not how would I restore my Desire HD to the official Rom after installing a custom one?
Thanks in advance.
T90
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You can back it up in the clockworldmod recovery in the ''backup & restore'' option.

actually depends of the version i think... because the newer versions are rootable only via downgrade. so to be able to install custom recovery aka clockworkmod/4ext, you need to downgrade first. in which case, you cant.
it may be possible to downgrade, root, flash cwm/4ext, flash newer stock, all without wipe, and then backup, but this is just a guess, i havent tied it, since 1st thing i have done when i got my phone i rooted it
edit: this was a guess since i understood you want to keep data
if you dont care about data, of course it is possible. but unrooting is something a bit different, still very doable

yes, with clockworldmod and ext4 and remember after you backed up your rom copy the clockworldmod/ext4 folder to your pc

Help – I'm lost. New to HTC and quite confused about flashing/rooting/...

Hey there,
I've got my first HTC device some days ago (-> HTC 10), but coming from a Nexus 5 where things are handled differently, I'm currently quite confused on how all of this works with my HTC 10.
I'd like to apologize in advance if the following questions seem to be stupid or unnecessary, but I'd like to use my device to the fullest and therefore I need your help.
My device is not branded (as far as I can tell) and I've already unlocked it via the steps on htcdev.com + I've installed TWRP + SuperSU (thanks to my previous knowledge with my N5 this was somewhat easy).
Now I got my first OTA update and this is when things got complicated. Several questions popped up and I tried to answer them myself while looking over here, but after reading all those threads I'm even more confused than before :/
My questions are the following:
1) Is there any way to manually update your device with the newest OTA update WITHOUT losing any data? (see question 2)
2) Do I need a microSD card in order to do so? I've seen several YT videos where they did a backup of the current system, but there still was a data wipe after flashing, so why even bother doing a backup at all?
3) My device is unlocked but with S-ON. Do I need S-OFF after all? As far as I can tell I don't need this, but is there any scenario I'd probably need it? (see question 4)
4) I'm thinking about getting a custom rom (Leedroid seems to be pretty decent). Can you recommend any of those custom roms and do I need S-OFF in order to flash them?
5) S-OFF + Locked or S-OFF + Unlocked? What's the difference? Any issues with the warranty?
6) If I do use a custom rom (e.g. Leedroid), is there also a way to update it to further versions without losing any data?
7) Where do I get the latest firmware for manually updating my device? I've already found a thread for it (http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/stock-stock-collection-recovery-ruu-ota-t3359297), but my current firmware (1.90.401.5) or the one for the OTA update that already popped up (1.95.401.3) isn't listed over there. [EDIT: found my current firmware. Do I need to flash to it in order to do the OTA update?)
8) One last general question: as far as I understand it, unlocking your device is also the same as debranding it? I'm not sure if I'm mixing things up when reading about this. Is there any way to see if my device was branded before I did unlock/root it though?
I'm completely fine with losing my current data if that means that I can set it up my device in such a way that I can avoid any further data wipes when flasing/updating.
I'd be absolutely grateful if someone would answer those questions and help me to understand all of this.
Greetings,
makit_

1) Yes..you can apply the OTA manually, which won't flash the firmware image in the update but you can then find a no-wipe version of the new firmware on xda and flash it. Check out the faq in the twrp thread
2) for flashing firmware packages generally yes its better to have an SD card but I *think* it's possible to do it by issuing fastboot commands
3) s-off is needed if you wanna flash a new firmware I believe
4) you don't need S-off to flash a new ROM that's compatible with your firmware. Leedroid should work for you (this answer can be easily found by checking out each ROM thread and reading the Prerequisites section)
5) yes, most of the time you can "dirty flash" a new version of the same rom on top of the old one without wiping. If any issues pop up, or if it's a new base with large differences, then a wipe is needed. You can usually tell if a wipe is required by checking out what the developer says in the thread when a new updated is posted
6) I'm sure it's in a thread somewhere, you gotta search (I think sneakyghost's thread might have them)! And again you need S-off if you wanna flash firmwares

not an expert but here's my thoughts...
1) Is there any way to manually update your device with the newest OTA update WITHOUT losing any data? (see question 2) Yes. But if you want official update from HTC or your carrier via OTA you should be on stock. If you're on custom ROM, you can always dirty flash. But updating to a newer build, ROM dev sometimes recommend a full wipe
2) Do I need a microSD card in order to do so? I've seen several YT videos where they did a backup of the current system, but there still was a data wipe after flashing, so why even bother doing a backup at all?
SD card is not a requirement but is recommended since a full back-up size is ranging from 5gb-10gb maybe more depending in how many apps you installed. Backup is also recommended so you can always go back/restore your working ROM in case you messed up updating.
3) My device is unlocked but with S-ON. Do I need S-OFF after all? As far as I can tell I don't need this, but is there any scenario I'd probably need it? (see question 4). You need s-off mostly on updating your firmware or converting your device to other carrier or if you want to be unlocked. Right now you can flash any custom roms you like since we do not have a major update yet eg.1.x to 2.x. Once 2.x firmware is released, You can easily flash this firmware. But if you're S-ON, you can only update your firmware via official OTA from your carrier or if @Sneakyghost provide specific firmware for your carrier (matching cid and mid) in this thread else you're stock at 1.x firmware and ROMs that will only work on that specific firmware.
4) I'm thinking about getting a custom rom (Leedroid seems to be pretty decent). Can you recommend any of those custom roms and do I need S-OFF in order to flash them? See my answer in #3
5) S-OFF + Locked or S-OFF + Unlocked? What's the difference? Any issues with the warranty? If you're S-off you can always revert back to S-on and return to stock for warranty purposes.
6) If I do use a custom rom (e.g. Leedroid), is there also a way to update it to further versions without losing any data? Yes. see also #1
7) Where do I get the latest firmware for manually updating my device? I've already found a thread for it (http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-...u-ota-t3359297), but my current firmware (1.90.401.5) or the one for the OTA update that already popped up (1.95.401.3) isn't listed over there. [EDIT: found my current firmware. Do I need to flash to it in order to do the OTA update?)See @Sneakyghost thread linked in #3. Firmware updating can be done via OTA or via fastboot(firmware zip can be downloaded) or full RUU (updating both ROM and firmware).
8) One last general question: as far as I understand it, unlocking your device is also the same as debranding it? I'm not sure if I'm mixing things up when reading about this. Is there any way to see if my device was branded before I did unlock/root it though? I think you meant sim unlocking here?? Generally, "unlocking" mostly mentioned in xda refers to bootloader

Tarima said:
1) Yes..you can apply the OTA manually, which won't flash the firmware image in the update but you can then find a no-wipe version of the new firmware on xda and flash it. Check out the faq in the twrp thread
2) for flashing firmware packages generally yes its better to have an SD card but I *think* it's possible to do it by issuing fastboot commands
3) s-off is needed if you wanna flash a new firmware I believe
4) you don't need S-off to flash a new ROM that's compatible with your firmware. Leedroid should work for you (this answer can be easily found by checking out each ROM thread and reading the Prerequisites section)
5) yes, most of the time you can "dirty flash" a new version of the same rom on top of the old one without wiping. If any issues pop up, or if it's a new base with large differences, then a wipe is needed. You can usually tell if a wipe is required by checking out what the developer says in the thread when a new updated is posted
6) I'm sure it's in a thread somewhere, you gotta search (I think sneakyghost's thread might have them)! And again you need S-off if you wanna flash firmwares
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Thanks for your response! The numeration is wrong though as I edited my post while you were already typing your answers, but I figured it out nonetheless
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1) Is there any way to manually update your device with the newest OTA update WITHOUT losing any data? (see question 2) Yes. But if you want official update from HTC or your carrier via OTA you should be on stock. If you're on custom ROM, you can always dirty flash. But updating to a newer build, ROM dev sometimes recommend a full wipe
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When using a custom ROM, is it also possible to save your data so you can restore it after the full wipe?
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2) Do I need a microSD card in order to do so? I've seen several YT videos where they did a backup of the current system, but there still was a data wipe after flashing, so why even bother doing a backup at all?
SD card is not a requirement but is recommended since a full back-up size is ranging from 5gb-10gb maybe more depending in how many apps you installed. Backup is also recommended so you can always go back/restore your working ROM in case you messed up updating.
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As far as I can tell, when doing a backup, you dont save your data 'partition' as it is encrypted anyways. Do I assume right that when doing a backup, I cannot restore my data I had before doing the flash?
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3) My device is unlocked but with S-ON. Do I need S-OFF after all? As far as I can tell I don't need this, but is there any scenario I'd probably need it? (see question 4). You need s-off mostly on updating your firmware or converting your device to other carrier or if you want to be unlocked. Right now you can flash any custom roms you like since we do not have a major update yet eg.1.x to 2.x. Once 2.x firmware is released, You can easily flash this firmware. But if you're S-ON, you can only update your firmware via official OTA from your carrier or if @Sneakyghost provide specific firmware for your carrier (matching cid and mid) in this thread else you're stock at 1.x firmware and ROMs that will only work on that specific firmware.
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I've already seen the sunshine thread which is about turning S-OFF. While it is possible to go back to S-ON, it was recommended to let your device stay in S-OFF. Is there a high risk in bricking your device when trying to go back to S-ON?
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4) I'm thinking about getting a custom rom (Leedroid seems to be pretty decent). Can you recommend any of those custom roms and do I need S-OFF in order to flash them? See my answer in #3
5) S-OFF + Locked or S-OFF + Unlocked? What's the difference? Any issues with the warranty? If you're S-off you can always revert back to S-on and return to stock for warranty purposes.
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As far as I know, doing so will void your warranty. Won't they notice if I just revert it myself and then send it in for warranty?
side_flip15 said:
7) Where do I get the latest firmware for manually updating my device? I've already found a thread for it (http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-...u-ota-t3359297), but my current firmware (1.90.401.5) or the one for the OTA update that already popped up (1.95.401.3) isn't listed over there. [EDIT: found my current firmware. Do I need to flash to it in order to do the OTA update?)See @Sneakyghost thread linked in #3. Firmware updating can be done via OTA or via fastboot(firmware zip can be downloaded) or full RUU (updating both ROM and firmware).
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Sorry this might be a rather dumb question, but I always thought ROM and firmware are the same thing. Or is it that updating my device via OTA is updating my firmware, while installing something like Leedroid is altering my ROM?
Again, thanks for all your responses in advance! You're helping me out a lot!
Greetings,
makit_

When using a custom ROM, is it also possible to save your data so you can restore it after the full wipe?
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its possible but there's possibility that you might have some issue. Not sure though, never done that. I always use titanium backup to restore my apps.
As far as I can tell, when doing a backup, you dont save your data 'partition' as it is encrypted anyways. Do I assume right that when doing a backup, I cannot restore my data I had before doing the flash?
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Data partition can be backed up actually and can be restored.
I've already seen the sunshine thread which is about turning S-OFF. While it is possible to go back to S-ON, it was recommended to let your device stay in S-OFF. Is there a high risk in bricking your device when trying to go back to S-ON?
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Agree. there is no sense in reverting back to s-on unless if it's for warranty purposes.
Is there a high risk in bricking your device when trying to go back to S-ON?
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I would say NO. I never used sunshine to s-off. I am using a hardware s-off and I did not experience any issue going back to s-on.
As far as I know, doing so will void your warranty. Won't they notice if I just revert it myself and then send it in for warranty?
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On the device itself, I don't think so as long as you return it in full stock state. But if I remember correctly HTC dev requires you to provide your imei when requesting for unlock token bin file used to unlock bootloader, So if your unlock you device via HTC dev they have your imei in their record. They know that you already unlocked your device and warranty is void already.
Sorry this might be a rather dumb question, but I always thought ROM and firmware are the same thing
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Take a look at this link. It provides you a complete explanation between ROM and Firmware.
Or is it that updating my device via OTA is updating my firmware, while installing something like Leedroid is altering my ROM?
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Updating via official OTA usually updates ROM and firmware.
Installing a custom rom does not update firmware. Yes, it only alters ROM. But your ROM should always match your firmware at least the first digit of the firmware version (eg. 1.xx). For instance Android N (firmware veraion to be 2.x) arrives and LeeDroid updates its ROM to this, to be able to flash this latest custom rom, your firmware should also be at latest 2.x firmware else it will not boot. In this case, you need to update your firmware either via OTA, Fastboot or RUU.

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Thanks for your response! The numeration is wrong though as I edited my post while you were already typing your answers, but I figured it out nonetheless
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When using a custom ROM, is it also possible to save your data so you can restore it after the full wipe?
As far as I can tell, when doing a backup, you dont save your data 'partition' as it is encrypted anyways. Do I assume right that when doing a backup, I cannot restore my data I had before doing the flash?
I've already seen the sunshine thread which is about turning S-OFF. While it is possible to go back to S-ON, it was recommended to let your device stay in S-OFF. Is there a high risk in bricking your device when trying to go back to S-ON?
As far as I know, doing so will void your warranty. Won't they notice if I just revert it myself and then send it in for warranty?
Sorry this might be a rather dumb question, but I always thought ROM and firmware are the same thing. Or is it that updating my device via OTA is updating my firmware, while installing something like Leedroid is altering my ROM?
Again, thanks for all your responses in advance! You're helping me out a lot!
Greetings,
makit_
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Thats a thing that iam also interested in. Iam also new to htc.
I think with firmware they mean bootloader. But nobody gave me a good answer till now...

side_flip15 said:
its possible but there's possibility that you might have some issue. Not sure though, never done that. I always use titanium backup to restore my apps.
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I know that app by name, but never used it. Will take a look into it
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I would say NO. I never used sunshine to s-off. I am using a hardware s-off and I did not experience any issue going back to s-on.
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Do you mean like this? (found in another forum):
1. First step is to unlock bootloader:
a) If bootloader unlock is turned off on your phone, you need to turn it on first:
- Boot to Android OS and perform initial setup if necessary
- Go to Menu -> Developer settings and tick "Enable OEM unlock"
Run XTC 2 Tool and open "Bootloader unlock" tab, follow instructions to unlock your bootloader.
2. Reboot to download mode, open "HTC 10" tab and install twrp recovery, you can get it here:
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or
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3. Boot to Bootloader, and press "Reboot to recovery".
4. In "HTC 10" tab press "Do S-OFF button".
5. Wait for the process to finish. Done.
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On the device itself, I don't think so as long as you return it in full stock state. But if I remember correctly HTC dev requires you to provide your imei when requesting for unlock token bin file used to unlock bootloader, So if your unlock you device via HTC dev they have your imei in their record. They know that you already unlocked your device and warranty is void already.
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Yeah, I've done it this way. Sucks. But maybe it's not this bad at all. As I'm trying to be safe anyway, I probably only need to make use of the warranty if I'd accidentally drop my device. Those cases are still valid for warranty as far as I can tell (extract from the htcdev.com site: 'Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.'). Do you also know anything about this?
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Take a look at [... ]this link[/URL]. It provides you a complete explanation between ROM and Firmware.
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Thanks, will look into it.
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Updating via official OTA usually updates ROM and firmware.
Installing a custom rom does not update firmware. Yes, it only alters ROM. But your ROM should always match your firmware at least the first digit of the firmware version (eg. 1.xx). For instance Android N (firmware veraion to be 2.x) arrives and LeeDroid updates its ROM to this, to be able to flash this latest custom rom, your firmware should also be at latest 2.x firmware else it will not boot. In this case, you need to update your firmware either via OTA, Fastboot or RUU.
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Good to know. So in order to use the latest Leedroid and get rid of that OTA update notification, I should do the following:
1) Go back to stock (flash via RUU)
2) Hardware S-OFF (see above)
3) Flash latest OTA update
4) Custom Recovery again (TWRP) + Root (SuperSU)
5) Install latest Leedroid (have to read about it first, but afaik I have to install the zip of it via TWRP)
6) done
Is this correct or are there any mistakes?
And thanks a ton, you've helped me so much already!
Greetings,
makit_

makit_ said:
1) Is there any way to manually update your device with the newest OTA update WITHOUT losing any data? (see question 2)
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If you are stock with only SU, then this is how I've gone about installing OTAs without wiping data:
1. Download ota (Settings>About>Software Updates) and move downloaded OTA from /data/data/com.htc.updater/files to sd card
2. In TWRP restore stock 'System Image' and 'Boot'
3. Reboot to Downloader
4. Flash stock recovery (fastboot.exe flash recovery xxx.img) --> can use current ota.zip > extract firmware.img from zip (if using 7zip -> rename .zip to .rar to extract fw)
5. Reboot to stock recovery
6. Install OTA in stock recovery
7. Reboot to Downloader
8. Reinstall TWRP (fastboot.exe flash recovery twrpxxx.img)
9. Backup stock 'System Image' and 'Boot'
10. In TWRP reflash SuperSu/Xposed/etc

yankee1390 said:
If you are stock with only SU, then this is how I've gone about installing OTAs without wiping data:
1. Download ota (Settings>About>Software Updates) and move downloaded OTA from /data/data/com.htc.updater/files to sd card
2. In TWRP restore stock 'System Image' and 'Boot'
3. Reboot to Downloader
4. Flash stock recovery (fastboot.exe flash recovery xxx.img) --> can use current ota.zip > extract firmware.img from zip (if using 7zip -> rename .zip to .rar to extract fw)
5. Reboot to stock recovery
6. Install OTA in stock recovery
7. Reboot to Downloader
8. Reinstall TWRP (fastboot.exe flash recovery twrpxxx.img)
9. Backup stock 'System Image' and 'Boot'
10. In TWRP reflash SuperSu/Xposed/etc
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This sounds very convenient and not far too different than what I was used to with my N5. Guess I'll give it a go! Already found a way to disable the HTC lock screen http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/disable-htc-10-lockscreen-t3418108 (which is annoying especially when using a different launcher as the lock screen background is still the one from the stock launcher). Only thing bugging me now is that BoomSound notification, but I guess I can live with that

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This sounds very convenient and not far too different than what I was used to with my N5. Guess I'll give it a go! Already found a way to disable the HTC lock screen http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/disable-htc-10-lockscreen-t3418108 (which is annoying especially when using a different launcher as the lock screen background is still the one from the stock launcher). Only thing bugging me now is that BoomSound notification, but I guess I can live with that
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may look at installing XPosed as they have a module "XNotifications" that lets you hide any type of notification

yankee1390 said:
may look at installing XPosed as they have a module "XNotifications" that lets you hide any type of notification
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Will also look into this. I've used Xposed on my N5 but wasn't sure the HTC 10 is already fully supported (have read something about that, but those threads were already 3-4 months old). Thanks!

So I'm trying to do the step-by-step instructions from yankee1390 because I guess that's the easiest way for me to handle things. Now I've already got my first (and hopefully only) issue with it: I did no backup when I first installed TWRP and before I've rooted my device. So in order to accomplisch step 2) (restore stock system image + boot in TWRP), can I use the files from the RUU provided here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/stock-stock-collection-recovery-ruu-ota-t3359297?
I've found the one matching my current firmware (1.90.401.5), so is it ok if I use those for step 2?
And by the way, I guess I have to do a backup after every OTA update (and before rooting) so I always have the right files for restoring, huh?
Greetings,
makit_
edit: may have found the solution to it Will update once I'm done.

makit_ said:
So I'm trying to do the step-by-step instructions from yankee1390 because I guess that's the easiest way for me to handle things. Now I've already got my first (and hopefully only) issue with it: I did no backup when I first installed TWRP and before I've rooted my device. So in order to accomplisch step 2) (restore stock system image + boot in TWRP), can I use the files from the RUU provided here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/stock-stock-collection-recovery-ruu-ota-t3359297?
I've found the one matching my current firmware (1.90.401.5), so is it ok if I use those for step 2?
And by the way, I guess I have to do a backup after every OTA update (and before rooting) so I always have the right files for restoring, huh?
Greetings,
makit_
edit: may have found the solution to it Will update once I'm done.
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Link didn't work on my app so can't confirm if that will work. However any TWRP stock backup that matches your current version should work. RUUs will wipe your data if you use them.
Definitely good idea to backup after each ota before modifying system partition to make next ota easier. Though usually someone on here can provide a backup if you don't get one.

I know that app by name, but never used it. Will take a look into it
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i suggest you purchase a pro version. It's a really a must-have app
Do you mean like this? (found in another forum):
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Yes. This is the process how to s-off using xtc2clip - A very handy tool that works almost every HTC devices. Support is great too.
Yeah, I've done it this way. Sucks. But maybe it's not this bad at all. As I'm trying to be safe anyway, I probably only need to make use of the warranty if I'd accidentally drop my device. Those cases are still valid for warranty as far as I can tell (extract from the htcdev.com site: 'Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.'). Do you also know anything about this?
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Yeah. They might not know we can s-off. lol
Good to know. So in order to use the latest Leedroid and get rid of that OTA update notification
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If you mean OTA notification from HTC, most of the custom ROMs already disabled that, I believe. And they provide you with their own OTA update (Not all, some do. Like ViperRom)
I should do the following:
1) Go back to stock (flash via RUU)
2) Hardware S-OFF (see above)
3) Flash latest OTA update
4) Custom Recovery again (TWRP) + Root (SuperSU)
5) Install latest Leedroid (have to read about it first, but afaik I have to install the zip of it via TWRP)
6) done
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This is correct but there is an easier way after you s-offed.
1. Download the latest firmware.zip, if you're not on the latest yet. Flash it via fastboot commands in download.
mode. Instruction is available in the link I provided earlier in @Sneakyghost firmware thread.
2. Flash TWRP.
3. Download your desired custom ROM (LeeDroid). This is in .zip file.
4. Reboot to recovery, wipe data/factory reset then flash the LeeDroid.zip. Just follow the instructions in aroma.
by the way, if you'll flash firmware.zip make you select the matching CID and MID of your device. You might end up bricking your device flashing a wrong firmware. If you can provide me your CID and MID, I'll link you to the correct firmware for your device. To do so, reboot to bootloader and type the following commands in cmd, remove your IMEI and SN and post the result here.
And thanks a ton, you've helped me so much already!
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You are welcome.
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I never done updating software via HTC official update. I don't know but for me I don't see any reason sticking to stock ROM. There are a lot of custom ROMs out there tweaked for better performance and battery life. They are also always updated to latest build.

side_flip15 said:
i suggest you purchase a pro version. It's a really a must-have app
Yes. This is the process how to s-off using xtc2clip - A very handy tool that works almost every HTC devices. Support is great too.
Yeah. They might not know we can s-off. lol
If you mean OTA notification from HTC, most of the custom ROMs already disabled that, I believe. And they provide you with their own OTA update (Not all, some do. Like ViperRom)
This is correct but there is an easier way after you s-offed.
1. Download the latest firmware.zip, if you're not on the latest yet. Flash it via fastboot commands in download.
mode. Instruction is available in the link I provided earlier in @Sneakyghost firmware thread.
2. Flash TWRP.
3. Download your desired custom ROM (LeeDroid). This is in .zip file.
4. Reboot to recovery, wipe data/factory reset then flash the LeeDroid.zip. Just follow the instructions in aroma.
by the way, if you'll flash firmware.zip make you select the matching CID and MID of your device. You might end up bricking your device flashing a wrong firmware. If you can provide me your CID and MID, I'll link you to the correct firmware for your device. To do so, reboot to bootloader and type the following commands in cmd, remove your IMEI and SN and post the result here.
You are welcome.
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Thanks for all your help. I will look into it when I need it. For now I'll stick with stock (see below)
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I never done updating software via HTC official update. I don't know but for me I don't see any reason sticking to stock ROM. There are a lot of custom ROMs out there tweaked for better performance and battery life. They are also always updated to latest build.
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I love using stock android, that's why I also loved using my Nexus 5. I used CyanogenMod with another device many years ago but I am willing to use a custom ROM for my HTC 10, but only after I already know how it feels with stock ROM. So I will stick with it for several weeks and see how it feels, and when I'm farmiliar with it, I will switch to a custom ROM So thanks a lot, you've given me a lot of information I will still need for further experimenting with my phone!

Piggybacking on this thread because my new-to-me HTC 10 is coming in the mail and I'm planning what to do with it. It is already bootloader unlocked and s-off. I would like to use Leedroid, ElementalX, Magisk, and Xposed.
I've never had an HTC device so I just want to make sure I'm doing this right. So I think this is what I need to do:
1) Flash TWRP via ADB
2) Flash SuperSU in TWRP
3) Flash everything else...Leedroid, ElementX, Xposed, Magisk. In that order? Can I flash them all at once (just keep adding zips to the TWRP list) or do I have to boot between each one?
Xposed is more important to me than a custom ROM, because I need to use Amplify and PowerNap to improve my battery life. Would it be better just to stay on stock instead of Leedroid?

@jrbmed08
TWRP is flashed via fastboot, not ADB.
No need to flash SuperSU via recovery since LeeDroid has root already.
You can flash everything at once.
Sent from my HTC 10

I love using stock android, that's why I also loved using my Nexus 5. I used CyanogenMod with another device many years ago but I am willing to use a custom ROM for my HTC 10, but only after I already know how it feels with stock ROM. So I will stick with it for several weeks and see how it feels, and when I'm farmiliar with it, I will switch to a custom ROM So thanks a lot, you've given me a lot of information I will still need for further experimenting with my phone!
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When I said stock ROM, i meant stock HTC ROM and it's not stock Android. It's a skinned android called HTC sense. . If you want a stock android to run in your HTC 10 you can flash a AOSP based custom ROM.

Magnum_Enforcer said:
@jrbmed08
TWRP is flashed via fastboot, not ADB.
No need to flash SuperSU via recovery since LeeDroid has root already.
You can flash everything at once.
Sent from my HTC 10
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Ah yeah, sorry, fastboot is what I meant. Thank you! I haven't had an unlocked bootloader in quite a while (was using TWRP and Sony stock-based ROMs on a locked Z3c), so it will be interesting to flash kernels and such again.

d_Schizzo said:
Thats a thing that iam also interested in. Iam also new to htc.
I think with firmware they mean bootloader. But nobody gave me a good answer till now...
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not only bootloader, it contains everything. radio.img and any other thing. "low-lewel-stuff", kernel etc, recovery (if stock signed firmware, which is not modded/removed). there are many important things inside.
but firmware is meant for every device the same. it contains everything so that this device can run/work properly.