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Hi, as I am not overly fond of the android operating system,
is the hardware such that you could flash a 6.5 windows mobile rom onto the desire?
is it worthwhile trying?
It is impossible, android is open source and thus can be modified to run on diffrent hardware, windows mobile isnt, plus we have diff bootloaders to winmo phones so a flash wud be impossible
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Do people literally NEVER use the search feature then?
How many people are going to post the same ridiculously foolish question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693158
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697718
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6731090
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677930
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675647
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6183231
Use the bloody search.
its not a foolish question, i have been active on various sections of xda developers forums and have contributed and gained from each of them, tinkering with a variety of models, I was thinking of buying a desire but wanted to see just how much I can mess with it first .
I have found the majority of people on these forums to be helpful and whilst I understand your frustration, I will be new to this part of the site. And with so many threads its not always easy to find exactly what your looking for
What differs in the hardware to make it impossible? is it just partitioning of the space on the phone? surely if someone wrote a bootloader it would be possible?
If you want to dual boot, you might want to get a HD2 instead, my understanding is that the android rom is in developement.
The desire is pretty much a pure Anroid phone, im not sure that there would be much demand to get winmo workingon it since most people have switched from winmo out of choice and don't really feel the need to go back, but thats just my slant on it. crazier things have happened on this forum.
For starters the drivers were written using the android open source project, every single driver for every tiny piece of hardware would habe to be rewritten lol
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i have read your other posts and understand your frustrations but the whole reason I buy each model is to see how much I can mess with it
would be interesting to see such development in the ROM developement section
but if there is a technical reason why its impossible ( apart from the lack of SPL)
then someone please tell me, as I have not brought the handset yet hehe
what I always say is where there is a will there is a way
as for why ? i dont know... just to see if it can be broken - whats the point in having system you cant break or change Zzzzz
although I do appreciate somethings are impossible.
Can some one explain (if any) the differences in hardware from the hd2 to the desire that will make this task impossile ?
would be much appreciated xxx thanks
I doubt it'd be impossible - but it's take a huge ammount of R&D and developers on here don't have that sort of time/money to undertake such a task...
Just get an HD2 if you want WinMo (can buy my old one if you want? )
The rock bottom is it wud be illegal, it would be in violation of microsofts intelectual rights and for that matter is neva gunna happen here, when we owned windows phones we bought a licence to use windows mobile, with our desire we get no such licence, this would also make it piracy
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With that argument surely baking and distributing custom ROMs would also be illegal? Do that on a Windows PC and you'd get sued!!
But yeah, agree with you
Microsoft have tried to shut xda dwn for that reason many times, but they have always backed down, if a project lyk this was started on a non winmo phone i guarantee they wudnt
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its not a foolish question
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It is when it's been asked and answered multiple times. Being such a long standing XDA user you'd think you'd have had a gander at the rules by now or at least attempt to adhere to them.
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And with so many threads its not always easy to find exactly what your looking for
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The 6 posts I posted were found with a single search of "Windows Mobile, Desire" up in that search box you completely ignored. So, yes, it is easy...you just didn't even try.
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With that argument surely baking and distributing custom ROMs would also be illegal?
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Android is open source...Windows Mobile isn't.
I have seen many questions asking if windows mobile can be ported to the desire. But this post explains it better than any other why it can't.
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Aitese said:
Android is open source...Windows Mobile isn't.
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That's what I meant, Microsoft sueing chefs for distributing custom WinMo ROMs...I know Android doesn't matter
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It is when it's been asked and answered multiple times. Being such a long standing XDA user you'd think you'd have had a gander at the rules by now or at least attempt to adhere to them.
The 6 posts I posted were found with a single search of "Windows Mobile, Desire" up in that search box you completely ignored. So, yes, it is easy...you just didn't even try.
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Aitese, I do understand your frustration, multiple posts are a no no yes, but I was putting a different slant on it. ie I didnt really grasp from the other threads technically what was stopping us from achieving this task so thats not stupid in my opinion and hasnt been broken down in major detail. My curiosity is that the HD2 and desire seem exactly the same in terms of hardware, yet people suggest that swapping operating systems is impossible.
however, I do now accept that it may not be worth doing
but none of the previous threads seem to explain why that is in any great technical detail (no doubt ul find this now haha), at least now we have discovered whats stopping some one from doing it.
ps I reserve all right to be a lazy noob, to my knowledge I have not broken any other forum rules, as this is not exactly a double post, similar subject yes but if anything this thread would save a curious person like myself from attempting something that might be infringement ..
at least now I wont try
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I doubt it'd be impossible - but it's take a huge ammount of R&D and developers on here don't have that sort of time/money to undertake such a task...
Just get an HD2 if you want WinMo (can buy my old one if you want? )
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.. how much ; )
ps what varies from the desire to the hd2 in terms of hardware
looks like nowt
love this thread!
ive been trying to get away from my touch HD to android - had to go via a free HD2 upgrade to get here......trust me, windows needs a major overall to tempt me to go back
thats what everybody says .. but my curiosity is that in terms of hardware specs the hd2 and the desire look the same, apart from a bit more ram on the desire ?!?
so... er ... why would the drivers vary that much ?
pls be patient with me I just like messing with stuff
on further playing with android I must say it does seem to have the edge over win mob
persisting with this annoying thread (sorry guys) but what is to stop me using mtty to format my device and flashing the hd2 stock rom to the desire?
ie what would the compatibilty issues be? (as by looks of it hardware is the same give or take a bit of extra ram)
could this be done, and would it just be a case of using a tweaked RUU that would ignore the model number? would this work?
I am guessing the buttons would have to be remapped but what other compatibilty issues would there be ? basically is it possible or is the file structure totally different in a way that would not allow it?
(ps sorry if its something obvious and im making myself look a dummy but from what I can see the HD2 and the Desire are very similar in spec)
will it be possible for ppl to port wp7 onto the desire? altho it's probably strictly not legal cos of the closedness of wp7..
honestly.. why?
How many times are we going to see the exact same question posted over and over (and over)? Did you think to search before posting? Wait, don't answer that, it's a stupid question since we all know the answer already (you're obviously pressed for time since you couldn't be bothered to type all of the letters in some of your words)
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you got more chance of getting windows 7 on your desire lol
+1 for wp7 on desire
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atomfix said:
+1 for wp7 on desire
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well first of all your gunna have to buy a licence, then your going to have to brick a few desires while you modify your radio to work with the os, then all you have to do it write all the drivers and modify the desire's bootloader structure, and finaly cook a rom
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well first of all your gunna have to buy a licence, then your going to have to brick a few desires while you modify your radio to work with the os, then all you have to do it write all the drivers and modify the desire's bootloader structure, and finaly cook a rom
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Oh, is that all
AndroHero said:
well first of all your gunna have to buy a licence, then your going to have to brick a few desires while you modify your radio to work with the os, then all you have to do it write all the drivers and modify the desire's bootloader structure, and finaly cook a rom
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Pshhhhh, can do that in an evening...
Why W7 when android but rapes all other mobile OS?
People have bothered to run Android on iPhone, so why wouldn't people try to run WP7 on an Android Device?
HTC is releasing 5 phones at moment with WP7, some of them have similar HW to Desire.
People keep asking because there are no good answers to this topic.
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Why W7 when android but rapes all other mobile OS?
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i like android but it abso does not 'rapes all other....'. gpu acceleration of the UI, for some utterly retarded reason, is missing and that makes the phone laggy at times when you're multitasking.
modern phones like ours have gpus and the damn UI should have been hardware accelerated as of android 2.1.
our desires as they are now (2.2) with hard accel or the UI would make it iphone/winmo 7 smooth (winmo is smooth - see hte anandtech article on it).
that's what i want for my desire above anything else at the moment - well, that and the ability to do the absolutely 100% legal task of recording my calls.
google are so stupid sometimes. hopefully winmo and a decent webos phone will light a fire under em to get some of the basics right before moving on to something else.
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People have bothered to run Android on iPhone, so why wouldn't people try to run WP7 on an Android Device?
HTC is releasing 5 phones at moment with WP7, some of them have similar HW to Desire.
People keep asking because there are no good answers to this topic.
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Its harder than that. Yeah, Android can be ported to devices becaise its open source.
And how are there no good answers? I guess youve just completely ignored AndroHeros reply, and fhe 2 people who have quoted him... [/rage]
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People have bothered to run Android on iPhone, so why wouldn't people try to run WP7 on an Android Device?
HTC is releasing 5 phones at moment with WP7, some of them have similar HW to Desire.
People keep asking because there are no good answers to this topic.
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There have been plenty of good answers (which generally are "no, because WP7 is closed source"). The definition of a good answer usually is "the answer is more or less correct" whereas your definition of a good answer appears to be the same as what my kids would define as a good answer in response to "dad can I..." questions - meaning "yes, of course you can."
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There have been plenty of good answers (which generally are "no, because WP7 is closed source"). The definition of a good answer usually is "the answer is more or less correct" whereas your definition of a good answer appears to be the same as what my kids would define as a good answer in response to "dad can I..." questions - meaning "yes, of course you can."
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Indeed!
Just because people don't like the answer that's given doesn't make it a bad answer, or any less correct (assuming it is correct!).
And there is *no* excuse for not using search. From the forum rules:
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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Note that this is rule 1! The OP is not a newbie, so should have known better!
Regards,
Dave
Sure WP7 is closed source, but closed source has never stopped devs before.
The answer "No" with nothing else following it is generally a really bad answer, for many reasons.
It is possible to port WP7 to desire, the question is rather Who and When then If.
People said that the PS3 NEVER will be hacked, look what happened 4 years later.
Don't be so closed minded.
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I don't really understand the pessimism. Many handsets that didn't get officially WinMo 6.5 EVER, got it from ROM chefs here at XDA. Why should it be different this time?
This has been asked and answered quite a few times. Search and Google are your friends.
Thread closed.
im sorry im really new to the custom rom scene, and i dont know how to work this website. i was hoping can anyone shed some light on my question.
i was wondering whether there was a windows phone 7 rom for htc desire?
thankyou
pudlefish said:
im sorry im really new to the custom rom scene, and i dont know how to work this website. i was hoping can anyone shed some light on my question.
i was wondering whether there was a windows phone 7 rom for htc desire?
thankyou
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You want to put windows onto an android phone?
Virtually everyone that owns a Leo (HD2) has been trying to do the opposite since they got their handset.
In short. No
There are far too few interested for any chef to bother.
There are Windows Phone 7 themes and apps that can replicate the look.
If you get Launcher pro and pay for the extras then i recommend having a look at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781455
If anything it looks better than WP7
Also have a look in the market (from your phone) for windows phone android.
Its a work in progress app that will give you the awful blue tiles effect that you want.
There is also Zune Home, This looks like the older windows 6.5
Hope this helps (if it does hit the thanks button)
woody_2k said:
You want to put windows onto an android phone?
Virtually everyone that owns a Leo (HD2) has been trying to do the opposite since they got their handset.
In short. No
There are far too few interested for any chef to bother.
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i know the topic is like 9 months old, but you might want to consider that a future is not written until someone takes it as a challenge and wupti you got phone7.5 on HD2
So, never say "No"
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i know the topic is like 9 months old, but you might want to consider that a future is not written until someone takes it as a challenge and wupti you got phone7.5 on HD2
So, never say "No"
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Indeed. of course the desire would end up "crap"
Unfortunately it would never happen mate. WP7 is closed source. Microsoft isn't too happy with people flashing it to the HD2 (leo) and that runs wm 6.5.
Anyhow android is so much better. But try metro or launcher7 on the market. There's free and pay for apps.
HTC Desire
Not a rom, but try "Launcher 7" from the market. It's a launcher that gives the look of WM7.
Not sure if it's any good, not tried it personally.
I'd be tempted to try and get a HD2 if I was interested in WP7 - because of the ability to run WM6.5/WP7/Android/Windows98/etc.
I can't see it coming to the Desire anytime soon - as already said - lack of interest to port something that will be very difficult
I don't like the WP7 launchers. Want one? Then get a WP7 phone. or the hd2 as that beast does near enough anything. Except ios and palms software ofcourse ;-)
HTC Desire
I know this is an old thread but I did not feel like opening a new one for a question that's already asked.
So the question is: Can WP7 run on a HTC Desire. While it would be difficult to do, i'm absolutely sure that someone would be able to do it. Why?
1: HTC HD2. It can run Android, it can run WP7. This makes the point "WP7 is closed source so it's not possible" invalid.
2: Somebody made Ubuntu run on a HTC Desire. also there is a lot of information on the bootloader of Android devices and I'm sure there is some info on the Windows Mobile/Phone bootloaders.
3: Android 4 ICS is already running on the HTC Desire with Hardware Acceleration, even though the drivers needed are not published by the maker (Quallcomm if I remember). This either means that someone is doing extra work of making existing drivers work or that someone is actually making th new drivers.
4: HTC uses the same kind of chips for their whole lineup. Take for example the HTC Mozart:
CPU: Qualcomm QSD8250
Memory: 576 MB RAM; 512 MB ROM
GPU: Adreno 200
Resolution: 800x480
Those are 4 of the most important parts of any phone that may cause problems because of drivers. Also the HTC Trophy and HTC Radar have the same camera resolution as the one in the HTC Desire, so they may be the same.
All in all, I think it should be possible to port WP7 to the Desire. Main problem would be to find someone that actually cares enough to put lots of time in it and also knows the details on both Android and WP7.
Other main problem is that WP7 is closed source, which would make the developers process take a lot longer, discouraging devs even more to try it.
So let me know how your (educated!!!) views are on this subject.
I got HTC Desire, but I dont like Android. Still no chance flash it to WP7 ?
Ehh I'm waiting for wp7 too. Know that feel Bros.
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I've just upgraded to a Sensation, have my desire lying around and I wanted to know the same thing... Looking back at it now its sluggish on my ROM. I fancy trying wp7 but there don't seem to be any ROM's around still. I think that with a bit of tweaking for the desire it would be cool... We just need a chef to cook something like this up... Please, if anyone has the skills...
FTP4 said:
I got HTC Desire, but I dont like Android. Still no chance flash it to WP7 ?
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try this link
Jetwax said:
try this link
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Which link?
nlooooo said:
Which link?
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LOL
There is no link... Thats why...
(thank you captain obvious)
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Hello,
Look in my signature, i'm currently building a Windows Phone Mod.
Thanks,
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Yeah. Mod - is only way! Dont search Windows Phone on Desire
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Good work
Good work, mate ....
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Hello,
Look in my signature, i'm currently building a Windows Phone Mod.
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The HTC HD2 can now dual boot android and windows phone 7. I know that the hardware of the two phones are near-identical. Would it be possible to port WP7 to the Evo as well? If so, is anyone doing so?
btw: Don't flame, this is a specifically development related question; I only want your input if you have something relevant to say.
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The HTC HD2 can now dual boot android and windows phone 7. I know that the hardware of the two phones are near-identical. Would it be possible to port WP7 to the Evo as well? If so, is anyone doing so?
btw: Don't flame, this is a specifically development related question; I only want your input if you have something relevant to say.
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ha, you can put meego, ubuntu, winmo 6.5, win7, and android 2.3(?) on it...its ridiculous lol
you are in the wrong section, yes you want a developers input but you are asking a question about a WM phone in an Android rom section......
now think whats going to happen........
Despite his subject line, his question is about the Evo... however, I think the Q&A section would be a better place for this thread.
This has been asked about 5 or so times in this section(dev, but looks like its been moved).. unfortunately .... and has been trolled into oblivion.
please search before littering.. Im not trying to put you down.. but putting WINMO7 on the EVO is like asking to put a lawn mower engine in a Ferrari.. why hinder the performance.
and even mentioning WINMO here is blasphemous .. Just saying..
Sorry to bump an old thread, but with the leaked Sprint 'Gold' (HTC 7 Pro) WP7 ROM on the net and the HD2 working pretty well, are we any closer to a possible EVO WP7?
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but with the leaked Sprint 'Gold' (HTC 7 Pro) WP7 ROM on the net and the HD2 working pretty well, are we any closer to a possible EVO WP7?
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No...
1) No one has said they are working on it.
2) I'm sure XDA would not allow it on the site due to Microsoft license (before you ask, it isn't license for our phone. Like swype can only be included in roms that it comes stock in)
Well I knew nobody was working on it, I was just curious about the possibility. I figured the licensing would be a touchy issue, but I honestly wasn't sure where exactly XDA stood in that regard considering the HD2 seems to have full support. Just curious, really.
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and even mentioning WINMO here is blasphemous .. Just saying..
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why? we all came from winmo devices. all android is, is a better version of that, same principle and fanbase. sorry but i had to say it.
Hey. Anybody try this rom(i now its for HD2): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953078
on desire? maybe we can edit it to work.. and why? to prove that it can be done
and it would be cool to have maybe dual boot, android and wp7? i know that there are launchers... but launcher is not like that so please tell me if its possible
Klemen
Probably possible but there isn't a cry out for it so developers won't port it.
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Probably possible but there isn't a cry out for it so developers won't port it.
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its maybe possible without porting? i dont dare to do this, because MAGLDR delete all data on the phone.. so if something is wrong... maybe someone try it and tell us here?
aren't there licensing issues with porting windows phone 7 around too?
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aren't there licensing issues with porting windows phone 7 around too?
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why? its alreadly ported to HD2 and there are no licensing issues (i think)
I'd love to see a WP7 ROM... Actually I like flashing ROMS so I bought this device thinking that the WP7 ROM will be ported. Chose it over the HD2 because of its size and display actually and thought that it has basically the same possibilities when it comes to flashing all kinds of ROMS.. A bit disappointed but hey - I would probably just try the WP7 ROM and then come back to Android anyway.
lol i'd love to see that too actually also an ios port if possible. I mean nowadays where flashing roms has become so easy and fast I would just love the freak people out having a phone there and basically switching between android WP7 and Ios
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why? its alreadly ported to HD2 and there are no licensing issues (i think)
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Still doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Windows requires the handset to be licensed as Windows needs to be activated - same as on a PC
It'll be technically illegal to run WP7 on anything other than a WP7 handset. Besides, the Desire would need new drivers written from scratch to work
with HD2 being a windows mobile originally would this cover windows phone perhaps?
as desire is an android phone - then thats where you'll probably hit the issues
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with HD2 being a windows mobile originally would this cover windows phone perhaps?
as desire is an android phone - then thats where you'll probably hit the issues
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hmm i dont think so.. you can look the new htc trophy, i think that the hardware is amost the same as desire... so we first need someone to try this without porting maybe work but i dont want to f*ck up my desire
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Hey. Anybody try this rom(i now its for HD2): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953078
on desire? maybe we can edit it to work.. and why? to prove that it can be done
and it would be cool to have maybe dual boot, android and wp7? i know that there are launchers... but launcher is not like that so please tell me if its possible
Klemen
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Dual boot @[email protected], too massy, really ...
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hmm i dont think so.. you can look the new htc trophy, i think that the hardware is amost the same as desire... so we first need someone to try this without porting maybe work but i dont want to f*ck up my desire
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You dont seem to understand how things work, just like on a pc, the operating system need an enviroment to boot from, this is called the bootloader, during the initial boot phaze alot is going on, mainly the initalization of hardware, now our bootloader is not compatible with WP7, it would be like using linux to try and boot windows.... so for WP7 to even boot a whole new bootloader, and hardware drivers must be written. Problem two is the radio, the desire radio was written with the android open source project in mind, it would not be compatible with WP7, so a new radio would have to be written. Problem 3. The nand chip uses an EXT file system on the desire, WP7 uses NTFS, so a tool would have to be written to format the nand chip.... and finally as has been said before, without buying a WP7 licence it would be piracy, amd XDA would almost certainly have to deal with retaliation from microsoft.
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buy a w7 phone... far better ...
not sure why you would .. unless you dont like androids....
Anyway there are theams you can get , whic wil give you the glowing win 7 mobile look...
mmm seems like one of the requirement is wm6.5 rom (if you come from android nand directly wp7 might not boot)
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mmm seems like one of the requirement is wm6.5 rom (if you come from android nand directly wp7 might not boot)
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....might not boot....
this project isnt going to happen, especially on here anyway as XDA doesnt condone piracy which is essentially what your talking about doing.
Hmm... interesting indeed, but I don't want to reduce functionality on my phone