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hello,
i was wondering what's the best internet application apart from internet explorer, i know there's opera - is there anything else that is easy on the eyes and makes the internet experience like the desktop - in other words zooms to the size of the screen? please help, thanks.
any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
can someone just suggest an app, please?
Opera Mobile works well.
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/
thanks for the prompt reply.
I would have answered but internet App is a loose term. Any application that connects to the internet would be an internet app. If you would have said browser I would have told you Opera, DeepFish, or JB5.
oops, you're right - sorry i meant internet browser, lol. what was i thinking?
BTW, this is another kind of thread that should be posted to the Smartphone General forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323651
deepfish?? jb5? are they good??
can someone post some links.. plz..
Deepfish is a microsoft browser that certain users who signed up for the beta have. It's currently still being developed and registration numbers aren't being handed out at this time. If you google JB5, it's the first link.
Deep fish is comparable to Opera Mini, & iPhones Safari. Same concept. True webpage that you can access and zoom in on.
i like using opera mini 4 beta the best. the full page browsing is really cool. the two downsides though is that it zaps your battery and it doesnt keep you logged into web pages
hey thanks for the reply, but when you mean it doesn't keep you logged in?
MiniMo
There's a new browser on the block that I'm surprised no one has mentioned: MiniMo. The MiniMo project is an attempt to make a Windows Mobile version of Mozilla (as in the underlying technologies used in FireFox, such as the Gecko rendering engine). So far, it's at version 0.2, but has major flaws. It grinds my Dash to a halt very often, it has too many on screen buttons, navigation is a pain in the neck without a touch screen, and it has major stability issues (ranging from the program just not starting to locking up the entire device).
While this won't help you now, it's something to look forward to, and at least its current progress is accessible, unlike JB5 and DeepFish, and at least it's free, unlike Opera Mobile.
When I visit websites that also have sites optimized for mobile phones like nu.nl and cracked.com i am direcedt to those. But I want the original site. I can't find a way to change it. I turned mobile view off.
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When I visit websites that also have sites optimized for mobile phones like nu.nl and cracked.com i am direcedt to those. But I want the original site. I can't find a way to change it. I turned mobile view off.
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You can't change it. It's not caused by Opera. It's the site that detects that you are using Opera Mini, and decides that you are to get a mobile site instead of the full site. Complain to the site.
Type opera:config in your address bar and poke around with the settings. It's in there somewhere.
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You can't change it. It's not caused by Opera. It's the site that detects that you are using Opera Mini, and decides that you are to get a mobile site instead of the full site.
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And where do you think the site gets this information from? From Opera! - sending the wrong string as user agent in it's HTTP-requests.
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Complain to the site.
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No. The site does deliver correctly what the browser requested. It's definitely Opera sending the wrong request.
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And where do you think the site gets this information from? From Opera! - sending the wrong string as user agent in it's HTTP-requests.
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No, it's sending the right string. It's telling the site which browser it is. The wrong thing would be to lie about it.
No. The site does deliver correctly what the browser requested. It's definitely Opera sending the wrong request.
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No, Opera is just telling the site that it's Opera. The site is choosing what it does when it encounters Opera.
If Opera changed its user agent string to become unrecognizable, browser statistics would be messed up, and sites relying on browsers to be truthful would break.
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No, it's sending the right string. It's telling the site which browser it is. The wrong thing would be to lie about it.
No, Opera is just telling the site that it's Opera. The site is choosing what it does when it encounters Opera.
If Opera changed its user agent string to become unrecognizable, browser statistics would be messed up, and sites relying on browsers to be truthful would break.
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So this anoying problem can be fixed by just changing one string or telling 3476587653745344378 sites to change the way they handle requests.
I think it wouldn't even mess up statistics. There are more reliable methods to identify the browser than by using the user agent. The desktop version for example is capable of identifying itself as IE or Firefox and it does not mess up statistics.
I don't get mobile versions of pages shown in Opera mobile so this should be possible in Mini too.
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Changing the string would break 3476587653745344378^10 other sites. And would remove it completely from browser stats. Which would get all the whiners going on about how no one is using Opera again.
I think it wouldn't even mess up statistics. There are more reliable methods to identify the browser than by using the user agent.
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Such as?
The desktop version for example is capable of identifying itself as IE or Firefox and it does not mess up statistics.
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It identifies as Opera by default. When it identifies as something else, it is not counted as Opera, but as a different browser.
I don't get mobile versions of pages shown in Opera mobile so this should be possible in Mini too.
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Of course it's possible in Mini. This has got nothing to do with Opera Mini's capabilities. It's the site that chooses to send you to a mobile site.
You can argue as much as you want, it doesn't change anythink about the fact, that O-mini does not show the expected content although it could be very easily be fixed. That's ultra-anoying on any high-res-device.
There's even a checkbox in Opera's options to chose if you want to see mobile-versions if available or not, but it's just ignored.
I'm pretty sure the string can be altered in a way that does both, full-size-content AND right statistics.
Check showip.com with Desktop-Opera. It shows your user agent. It changes when you set Opera to claim it's IE or FF, but they all still include "Opera" +version in that string. Stats can still identify it correctly no matter what you select.
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You can argue as much as you want, it doesn't change anythink about the fact, that O-mini does not show the expected content although it could be very easily be fixed.
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I'm not arguing. I'm pointing out the fact that Opera Mini is simply showing the content that's being sent to it. I'm pointing out the fact that it's the site that's doing this. You are arguing because you evidently don't understand the subject matter.
There's even a checkbox in Opera's options to chose if you want to see mobile-versions if available or not, but it's just ignored.
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No, that checkbox actually controls what Opera Mini does. It changes the way Opera Mini handles a page. This is completely different from the problem you are referring to, which has to do with what the site does when it detects that you are using Opera Mini.
I'm pretty sure the string can be altered in a way that does both, full-size-content AND right statistics.
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No, because the sites that are sending Opera Mini to mobile pages are doing so specifically for Opera Mini. If Opera Mini changes its UA string, those sites will simply adapt to the new string, and send that to a mobile page as well. You will have gotten nowhere, except making other people's life harder.
Check showip.com with Desktop-Opera. It shows your user agent. It changes when you set Opera to claim it's IE or FF, but they all still include "Opera" +version in that string. Stats can still identify it correctly no matter what you select.
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Again, the sites that send Opera Mini to a mobile version are specifically looking for Opera Mini. If you change the string to include other browsers, the page will still specifically look for Opera Mini. It would solve nothing, as explained above.
Stats can identify it correctly if you don't remove Opera Mini from the string. But you seemed to suggest that they simply hide Opera Mini completely, in which case those stats sites would not be able to detect it.
Finally, what more reliable methods to identify the browser than the user agent string are there?
This is getting too much blah blah for a trivial thing. It could be fixed but it's not --> not good
It does work with Opera mobile, that's proof enough that it could work with mini too, no matter how it works.
You are right about the checkbox "mobile view", that's "Small screen rendering mode" which is something else... misleading label.
Im not the expert that can tell you how exactly the user Agent string has to look like, but it's obvious that it could work with the right one.
(Forget about "more reliable methods", seams like it does all work fine with user agents only)
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It needs to be fixed by the site. It is not Opera Mini which decides which page it's being sent.
It does work with Opera mobile, that's proof enough that it could work with mini too, no matter how it works.
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Opera Mini and Opera Mobile have different UA strings. Again, it's got nothing to do with "working with Opera Mini". This isn't caused by Opera Mini. It's caused by sites that detect that you are using Opera Mini.
Im not the expert that can tell you how exactly the user Agent string has to look like, but it's obvious that it could work with the right one.
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I'm telling you that it couldn't. These sites that send Opera Mini mobile content do so because they chose to specifically do so for whatever reason. Changing the UA string would just piss these people off, and update their scripts to send mobile pages to the new UA string as well.
It's getting boring. Have fun with ugly unreadable pages while I surf the web how it's supposed to look.
You admit that you were mistaken then, I presume?
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You admit that you were mistaken then, I presume?
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No, you're simply wrong, I just gave up convining you.
So I am "simply wrong" even though you made all the false assertions, such as "more reliable methods" (showing that you have no idea what you are talking about).
Telling me that I'm wrong when all your arguments so far have been devastated is not exactly convincing.
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So I am "simply wrong" even though you made all the false assertions, such as "more reliable methods" (showing that you have no idea what you are talking about).
Telling me that I'm wrong when all your arguments so far have been devastated is not exactly convincing.
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I was wrong in a detail like I already said above. But that doesn't change anything about the rest. The problem can definitely be fixed in the Software, that's a provable fact I'm not going to discuss anymore. Saying the software is ok, just the rest of the world has to change to become compatible is just nonsense because it will not fix the problem because it will never happen.
Besides the alternative view does make sense on low end devices so it has to be Opera to decide witch view to load depending on the resulution of the device or better by the settings the user made. And don't tell me again it's not possible, that's just nonsense because it's not and does already work with other browsers.
The "problem" can't be "fixed" by Opera without breaking it for everyone else.
The rest of the world doesn't need to change. You are the one who wants sites who specifically send Opera Mini users to a mobile site to change.
As I already explained, this is not about "Opera views", this is about what kind of content a site sends to Opera. It "works" in other browsers because the sites are not sending them to a mobile site.
Again: Changing the useragen string would break ****loads of websites, and Opera would disappear from the stats. That, or the change will achieve exactly nothing, because the sites that are sending Opera Mini users to a mobile site are specifically looking for Opera Mini in the first place.
You need to stop making assertions when you are clearly severely lacking in knowledge on the subject. It gets worse when you blame Opera for something the site is doing, and claim that it's in Opera's hands.
Sure it's the Site that sends different content, nobody stated anything else. But it depends on the request made by the browser! And when I say it works in other browsers I'm NOT talking about desktop browsers. I use Opera mobile and it does what i want although I got the same results as with Mini with default settings.
In Opera mobile you just go to the setting and set "Spoof UserAgent ID" to "2" to mask as Mozilla. That does still leave "Opera 9.7" mentioned in the User agent and is still identified in browser statistics correctly, but this way you allways get fullsize content without breaking anything. Sure thing the same can be done to any other browser easily.
Maybe you just try it yourself and then we talk again who's got a lack of knowledge.
It's so funny reading all the time what's impossible while everyone can download other mobile browsers and see with own eyes that it's not.
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Sure it's the Site that sends different content, nobody stated anything else. But it depends on the request made by the browser!
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In what way, specifically? What kind of request?
And when I say it works in other browsers I'm NOT talking about desktop browsers. I use Opera mobile and it does what i want although I got the same results as with Mini with default settings.
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Again, that is because other browsers have a different UA string, and the sites haven't started specifically sending those to a mobile page.
In Opera mobile you just go to the setting and set "Spoof UserAgent ID" to "2" to mask as Mozilla. That does still leave "Opera 9.7" mentioned in the User agent and is still identified in browser statistics correctly, but this way you allways get fullsize content without breaking anything.
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No, masking as Mozilla completely removes "Opera". "Identify as" doesn't.
How do you know that it's identified in browser statistics?
BTW, please give me an example of a site which sends mobile content to Opera Mobile 7 before changing this setting.
It's so funny reading all the time what's impossible while everyone can download other mobile browsers and see with own eyes that it's not.
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Evidently, those other mobile browsers are not being singled out by the site and sent mobile content. Once again you show that you completely fail to understand the fundamentals of browser sniffing.
in my view i dont think mini5 is esstially much speedy & good than mini4.2 so i am still use 4.2 now
seeing as Hulu blocked android's version of flash, (they say 'licensing issues' because they don't want us getting their content on the go for free, even tho it's ad supported, they all want us to go through itunes and amazon and pay for each episode of the office or whatever show you like) would it be possible to have the android browser use a different browser profile, such as using it and it shows up as a regular chrome browser from windows to the website? I remember that safari on the mac/pc has this built in with the dev mode turned on, and I know firefox can do it with an extension (probably chrome too), but would it be possible on android to be able to get hulu? (I've not had an android phone yet so I still have no idea. Still stuck with Apple's itorture 3gs, can't believe I bought another iphone after the 3g. only 12 days until EVO!)
I 've read some reviews saying they got to view hulu just fine and others stating the exact opposite.
I dont know what to believe.
stock no, there are many reports of froyo working with hulu though. So now that root has come to the evo maybe they can install custom roms too. if thats the case im sure someone will bake a delicious froyo rom
lol, one day later I get my answer here
The funny thing is I texted the guy at engadget with the Evo 4g review unit (the phone number is in a picture with a sticky not on the box) and he never replied back. Coincidence? lol I think not. I can even show the texts to prove it but I sold my iphone today so i'd have to restore my moms iphone to get the texts back, and I'll only go that far if I really must
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all you have to do is make Hulu think you're using a desktop browser, which can be done simply by entering "about:debug" in the address bar and switching the UAString setting from Android to desktop.
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all you have to do is make Hulu think you're using a desktop browser, which can be done simply by entering "about:debug" in the address bar and switching the UAString setting from Android to desktop.
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Actually I think about:debug only works in the Android browser. I think they Sense browser won't do that. At least that didn't work for me.
all you have to do is make Hulu think you're using a desktop browser, which can be done simply by entering "about:debug" in the address bar and switch
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Actually I think about:debug only works in the Android browser. I think they Sense browser won't do that. At least that didn't work for me.
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Sense browser will do that. Yes, hulu will load and even start to play sometimes, but I have not seen it actually play more than a second or two of video. I gave up after playing with it for a bit.
I really wish hulu would step up their game and jump on the mobile bandwagon like everyone else.
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Sense browser will do that. Yes, hulu will load and even start to play sometimes, but I have not seen it actually play more than a second or two of video. I gave up after playing with it for a bit.
I really wish hulu would step up their game and jump on the mobile bandwagon like everyone else.
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As far as I know, its not Hulu's fault. It's the licensing agreement(s) with content providers (NBC, Viacom, etc.) that doesn't allow mobile distribution. But I agree, they are only hurting themselves by not adapting to current demands, especially with big, beautiful devices such as the Evo 4g getting into the hands of consumers.
the about:debug setting has been disabled by hulu. you have to find another workaround. you'll find the solution in the xda section for the only device that currently has froyo
Before you start bashing me for starting this thread. Note Ive Search And Haven't Seen This Come Up Yet.
Now As Much As I love Skyfire, Im not seeing a whole lot of support for it from WP7. Someone Please bring me up to par with whats going on?
Heres the Only Info Ive found on this and its not much http ://support.skyfire.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5513
Skyfire could actually function reasonbly well on WP7 (due to the rendering being done by Skyfire's servers) and would be allowed by Microsoft. It's just up to Skyfire on whether they want to make it or not.
Ok thanks. I guess ill have to wait and see.
I read something awhile ago where SkyFire said they couldn't make a SkyFire version for WP7 due to lack of Native Code. I'm sure they could write their own code instead of just borrowing Microsofts, but that is where they stand now.
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I read something awhile ago where SkyFire said they couldn't make a SkyFire version for WP7 due to lack of Native Code. I'm sure they could write their own code instead of just borrowing Microsofts, but that is where they stand now.
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I know Opera said that but I hadn't seen Skyfire.
I don't really see why they couldn't. They don't do any rendering on the device. They have servers that pull the web page on your behalf and transcode it into a format that's pre-rendered and easier on the device. I would think this would be pretty easy in XNA or maybe even silverlight. Now a browser that actually decodes and renders the page all on it's own, yea that will be much slower without native code. It's a good thing the built in browser doesn't suck.
They could probably get a working version of skyfire on a device but it wouldn't have multitasking ability like IE does so why would anyone want to use it? I think they will eventually have multiple browsers but I think it'll be after multitasking is fully unleashed.
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I know Opera said that but I hadn't seen Skyfire.
I don't really see why they couldn't. They don't do any rendering on the device. They have servers that pull the web page on your behalf and transcode it into a format that's pre-rendered and easier on the device. I would think this would be pretty easy in XNA or maybe even silverlight. Now a browser that actually decodes and renders the page all on it's own, yea that will be much slower without native code. It's a good thing the built in browser doesn't suck.
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Lol haven't seen it.
Are you sure?
Lack of Opera Mini is another let down.
Do you know the source?
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Lol haven't seen it.
Are you sure?
Lack of Opera Mini is another let down.
Do you know the source?
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Sure of what?
Source of what? I didn't say anything that requires attribution...
i thought they were allowing for any third party browsers on wp7
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i thought they were allowing for any third party browsers on wp7
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Yes, they are. However, third parties are limited to using managed code (Silverlight and XNA) which would make writing a browser implausible if not impossible. However, with browsers that perform the actual page rendering on a remote server and basically send a capture of the page back to the phone to display, they should be able to make one just fine. Creating an HTML and JavaScript engine in C#, particularly with the limitations that WP7 has on top of that, would be out of the question.
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Oh man, I was asking for the source of the Opera saying thy won't be able to make OperaMini for WP7!!
Be aware that T-Mobile is now checking Browser User Agent strings and is apparently blocking those with various things in them -- "Cyanogen" being, apparently, one of them.
Guess how I found this out?
Opera and similar will still work (of course) but this is a particularly-evil thing for them to be doing, as it now means that if you develop up something you're going to have to take some care to EXACTLY match a stock browser ID or it's likely you'll get bounced.
They've used this trick for quite some time to detect tethering, but now it appears they're just denying PHONE strings that are perfectly legitimate and from actual PHONE firmware if it's not theirs.
I'm not sure what's happening but I was able to not only search for it but browse the cyanogenmod.com website. That's serious censorship stuff if TMO is actively blocking access selectively like that.
No no you're missing the point.
Your browser sends a "User Agent" string that the web server can use to customize for the sort of device you are. This is why some sites come up with a "mobile" interface optimized for a smaller screen.
Well, carriers can intercept that -- that's how they detect tethering if you go around their "tethering manager" garbage, incidentally. AT&T has done this for a long time and T-Mobile started doing it a few months ago.
As of this evening I got an error while testing a CM7 build on another device stating that my browser agent string was invalid. The only thing odd about it is that it identified as a T-Mobile device with a Cyanogen firmware build on it, and they refused to let it go through. Opera of course works as do other browsers, but the stock Android one was refused.
Very naughty, in my opinion, and this is going to make custom firmware a bit more fun as developers and such will have to "spoof" an official T-Mobile browser UA or they're likely to find it doesn't work at all.
download Miren browser, and move on.
Well yes, other browsers work fine. But this is just another kick in the nuts from the "T".
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Well yes, other browsers work fine. But this is just another kick in the nuts from the "T".
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Kick 'em right back in the nuts with the APN workaround.
Ok I dont understand your logic.
You can download Dolphin browser on a stock phone, and change the user agent to desktop, iphag, or custom...
This is a silly post because it dosnt mean youre rooted, tethering, or have a custom rom.
As for T-mobile governing you, its their equipment (switches, access points...) they can do what they want basically. We are here to find ways arround that.
Point being that it's just going to be another thing that people will have to deal with, and its pointless from a carrier perspective.
I can see them looking for the common laptop and desktop stuff and screaming "Tether!" if they find it, but barring an obvious mobile browser because it's not one of "theirs" is rather foolish -- and annoying.
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download Miren browser, and move on.
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Am I the only one who can't find Miren in the Android Market anymore? Weird.
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Am I the only one who can't find Miren in the Android Market anymore? Weird.
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It seems to be gone now. Search for black Miren browser on Google. That's what I did and the black version is awesome.
This does not happen for me I'm the self alpha cm rom. I can get to any website just fine. Using the stock cm browser. I even installed cm on another device. It still works.
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I just had an issue with this for the first time a day ago.
Using opera, I tried to visit my bank and kept getting blocked/redirected to a wifi tethering uosell page. Also, tethering stopped working.
Rebooted, opera is working again, but no wireless or usb tethering.
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No no you're missing the point.
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Actually I do understand the need to prevent unauthorized tethering. My comment was pointed directly at the censoring of specific websites which appears to be happening to the OP. TMO has the right to block unauthorized tethering but to wall off specific sites is an entirely different animal. Sorry I wasn't clear in my original reply.
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When doing about:debug in the stock browser on 2.3.6, I couldn't even find the setting to change the UA string. I think they removed it?
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When doing about:debug in the stock browser on 2.3.6, I couldn't even find the setting to change the UA string. I think they removed it?
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It is about:useragent in Samsung phones.
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Eh this is lame. T-Mobile is doing some really lame things now.
Can someone tell me how to replicate this? I am on a custom ROM and can browse Cyanogenmod.com website just fine.
I use Opera Mobile and Firefox Mobile with desktop user agent strings and have no problems. Then again I haven't tethered in months.
To those that think webpages are being censored you're misunderstanding; when you browse on a mobile device there is a little bit of code that tells the webpage what kind of device you're on and what software its running. This is called a user agent. Tmobile has started blocking devices on custom software (read roms) from accessing the web at all. This will only happen on roms that have had the user agent modified for example cyanogenmod.
It is not a censorship issue its a net neutrality issue.
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that doesn't sound likely at ALL.. it sounds more like a glitch than anything else.