When I visit websites that also have sites optimized for mobile phones like nu.nl and cracked.com i am direcedt to those. But I want the original site. I can't find a way to change it. I turned mobile view off.
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When I visit websites that also have sites optimized for mobile phones like nu.nl and cracked.com i am direcedt to those. But I want the original site. I can't find a way to change it. I turned mobile view off.
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You can't change it. It's not caused by Opera. It's the site that detects that you are using Opera Mini, and decides that you are to get a mobile site instead of the full site. Complain to the site.
Type opera:config in your address bar and poke around with the settings. It's in there somewhere.
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You can't change it. It's not caused by Opera. It's the site that detects that you are using Opera Mini, and decides that you are to get a mobile site instead of the full site.
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And where do you think the site gets this information from? From Opera! - sending the wrong string as user agent in it's HTTP-requests.
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Complain to the site.
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No. The site does deliver correctly what the browser requested. It's definitely Opera sending the wrong request.
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And where do you think the site gets this information from? From Opera! - sending the wrong string as user agent in it's HTTP-requests.
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No, it's sending the right string. It's telling the site which browser it is. The wrong thing would be to lie about it.
No. The site does deliver correctly what the browser requested. It's definitely Opera sending the wrong request.
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No, Opera is just telling the site that it's Opera. The site is choosing what it does when it encounters Opera.
If Opera changed its user agent string to become unrecognizable, browser statistics would be messed up, and sites relying on browsers to be truthful would break.
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No, it's sending the right string. It's telling the site which browser it is. The wrong thing would be to lie about it.
No, Opera is just telling the site that it's Opera. The site is choosing what it does when it encounters Opera.
If Opera changed its user agent string to become unrecognizable, browser statistics would be messed up, and sites relying on browsers to be truthful would break.
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So this anoying problem can be fixed by just changing one string or telling 3476587653745344378 sites to change the way they handle requests.
I think it wouldn't even mess up statistics. There are more reliable methods to identify the browser than by using the user agent. The desktop version for example is capable of identifying itself as IE or Firefox and it does not mess up statistics.
I don't get mobile versions of pages shown in Opera mobile so this should be possible in Mini too.
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Changing the string would break 3476587653745344378^10 other sites. And would remove it completely from browser stats. Which would get all the whiners going on about how no one is using Opera again.
I think it wouldn't even mess up statistics. There are more reliable methods to identify the browser than by using the user agent.
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Such as?
The desktop version for example is capable of identifying itself as IE or Firefox and it does not mess up statistics.
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It identifies as Opera by default. When it identifies as something else, it is not counted as Opera, but as a different browser.
I don't get mobile versions of pages shown in Opera mobile so this should be possible in Mini too.
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Of course it's possible in Mini. This has got nothing to do with Opera Mini's capabilities. It's the site that chooses to send you to a mobile site.
You can argue as much as you want, it doesn't change anythink about the fact, that O-mini does not show the expected content although it could be very easily be fixed. That's ultra-anoying on any high-res-device.
There's even a checkbox in Opera's options to chose if you want to see mobile-versions if available or not, but it's just ignored.
I'm pretty sure the string can be altered in a way that does both, full-size-content AND right statistics.
Check showip.com with Desktop-Opera. It shows your user agent. It changes when you set Opera to claim it's IE or FF, but they all still include "Opera" +version in that string. Stats can still identify it correctly no matter what you select.
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You can argue as much as you want, it doesn't change anythink about the fact, that O-mini does not show the expected content although it could be very easily be fixed.
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I'm not arguing. I'm pointing out the fact that Opera Mini is simply showing the content that's being sent to it. I'm pointing out the fact that it's the site that's doing this. You are arguing because you evidently don't understand the subject matter.
There's even a checkbox in Opera's options to chose if you want to see mobile-versions if available or not, but it's just ignored.
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No, that checkbox actually controls what Opera Mini does. It changes the way Opera Mini handles a page. This is completely different from the problem you are referring to, which has to do with what the site does when it detects that you are using Opera Mini.
I'm pretty sure the string can be altered in a way that does both, full-size-content AND right statistics.
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No, because the sites that are sending Opera Mini to mobile pages are doing so specifically for Opera Mini. If Opera Mini changes its UA string, those sites will simply adapt to the new string, and send that to a mobile page as well. You will have gotten nowhere, except making other people's life harder.
Check showip.com with Desktop-Opera. It shows your user agent. It changes when you set Opera to claim it's IE or FF, but they all still include "Opera" +version in that string. Stats can still identify it correctly no matter what you select.
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Again, the sites that send Opera Mini to a mobile version are specifically looking for Opera Mini. If you change the string to include other browsers, the page will still specifically look for Opera Mini. It would solve nothing, as explained above.
Stats can identify it correctly if you don't remove Opera Mini from the string. But you seemed to suggest that they simply hide Opera Mini completely, in which case those stats sites would not be able to detect it.
Finally, what more reliable methods to identify the browser than the user agent string are there?
This is getting too much blah blah for a trivial thing. It could be fixed but it's not --> not good
It does work with Opera mobile, that's proof enough that it could work with mini too, no matter how it works.
You are right about the checkbox "mobile view", that's "Small screen rendering mode" which is something else... misleading label.
Im not the expert that can tell you how exactly the user Agent string has to look like, but it's obvious that it could work with the right one.
(Forget about "more reliable methods", seams like it does all work fine with user agents only)
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It needs to be fixed by the site. It is not Opera Mini which decides which page it's being sent.
It does work with Opera mobile, that's proof enough that it could work with mini too, no matter how it works.
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Opera Mini and Opera Mobile have different UA strings. Again, it's got nothing to do with "working with Opera Mini". This isn't caused by Opera Mini. It's caused by sites that detect that you are using Opera Mini.
Im not the expert that can tell you how exactly the user Agent string has to look like, but it's obvious that it could work with the right one.
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I'm telling you that it couldn't. These sites that send Opera Mini mobile content do so because they chose to specifically do so for whatever reason. Changing the UA string would just piss these people off, and update their scripts to send mobile pages to the new UA string as well.
It's getting boring. Have fun with ugly unreadable pages while I surf the web how it's supposed to look.
You admit that you were mistaken then, I presume?
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You admit that you were mistaken then, I presume?
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No, you're simply wrong, I just gave up convining you.
So I am "simply wrong" even though you made all the false assertions, such as "more reliable methods" (showing that you have no idea what you are talking about).
Telling me that I'm wrong when all your arguments so far have been devastated is not exactly convincing.
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So I am "simply wrong" even though you made all the false assertions, such as "more reliable methods" (showing that you have no idea what you are talking about).
Telling me that I'm wrong when all your arguments so far have been devastated is not exactly convincing.
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I was wrong in a detail like I already said above. But that doesn't change anything about the rest. The problem can definitely be fixed in the Software, that's a provable fact I'm not going to discuss anymore. Saying the software is ok, just the rest of the world has to change to become compatible is just nonsense because it will not fix the problem because it will never happen.
Besides the alternative view does make sense on low end devices so it has to be Opera to decide witch view to load depending on the resulution of the device or better by the settings the user made. And don't tell me again it's not possible, that's just nonsense because it's not and does already work with other browsers.
The "problem" can't be "fixed" by Opera without breaking it for everyone else.
The rest of the world doesn't need to change. You are the one who wants sites who specifically send Opera Mini users to a mobile site to change.
As I already explained, this is not about "Opera views", this is about what kind of content a site sends to Opera. It "works" in other browsers because the sites are not sending them to a mobile site.
Again: Changing the useragen string would break ****loads of websites, and Opera would disappear from the stats. That, or the change will achieve exactly nothing, because the sites that are sending Opera Mini users to a mobile site are specifically looking for Opera Mini in the first place.
You need to stop making assertions when you are clearly severely lacking in knowledge on the subject. It gets worse when you blame Opera for something the site is doing, and claim that it's in Opera's hands.
Sure it's the Site that sends different content, nobody stated anything else. But it depends on the request made by the browser! And when I say it works in other browsers I'm NOT talking about desktop browsers. I use Opera mobile and it does what i want although I got the same results as with Mini with default settings.
In Opera mobile you just go to the setting and set "Spoof UserAgent ID" to "2" to mask as Mozilla. That does still leave "Opera 9.7" mentioned in the User agent and is still identified in browser statistics correctly, but this way you allways get fullsize content without breaking anything. Sure thing the same can be done to any other browser easily.
Maybe you just try it yourself and then we talk again who's got a lack of knowledge.
It's so funny reading all the time what's impossible while everyone can download other mobile browsers and see with own eyes that it's not.
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Sure it's the Site that sends different content, nobody stated anything else. But it depends on the request made by the browser!
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In what way, specifically? What kind of request?
And when I say it works in other browsers I'm NOT talking about desktop browsers. I use Opera mobile and it does what i want although I got the same results as with Mini with default settings.
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Again, that is because other browsers have a different UA string, and the sites haven't started specifically sending those to a mobile page.
In Opera mobile you just go to the setting and set "Spoof UserAgent ID" to "2" to mask as Mozilla. That does still leave "Opera 9.7" mentioned in the User agent and is still identified in browser statistics correctly, but this way you allways get fullsize content without breaking anything.
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No, masking as Mozilla completely removes "Opera". "Identify as" doesn't.
How do you know that it's identified in browser statistics?
BTW, please give me an example of a site which sends mobile content to Opera Mobile 7 before changing this setting.
It's so funny reading all the time what's impossible while everyone can download other mobile browsers and see with own eyes that it's not.
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Evidently, those other mobile browsers are not being singled out by the site and sent mobile content. Once again you show that you completely fail to understand the fundamentals of browser sniffing.
in my view i dont think mini5 is esstially much speedy & good than mini4.2 so i am still use 4.2 now
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i tried to sign up deepfish but it has expired i have the cab someone posted but no reg key so.
is there any other browser that is similar to deepfish available for wm6
Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
The beta version of Mini Opera has a very good page overview feature, which is a good step forward.
Browse to mini.opera.com on your phone or go to http://www.operamini.com/beta/
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
The new Opera Mini beta does an ok job, but still being a beta, it is rather buggy.
I think the key issue here is WTF happened to deep fish? Microsoft pushed it aside and to the bottom of it's list like it does with ALL Windows Mobile stuff. Such a shame MS doesn't care more about the mobile market.
Deepfish wasn't anywhere close to release, it was a development "sneak-peak". I'm sure they're still working on it. As for Picsel, it was a great browser for it's time. Don't know why you think it was poorly implemented. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of what we require in a browser nowadays, but neither did any of the others when it came out. And as for Opera Mini, it only has overview and zoomed in modes, nothing in between, which makes it just as useless as all the current ones in my opinion. Still waiting for Opera Mobile 9 to come out.
I assure you, they have had how many months to make it work? And they haven't done anything with it...
Face it, MS doesn't care a bit about the mobile market, we will never see any real effort from MS. I'm pretty convinced they have 2 guys there that are their mobile development team, lol
I tried DeepFish months ago and it had some promise. But, MS would drag their feet on fixing the reported bugs. Also, the beta would not allow cookies even though this had been a priority request of the community. I dropped it due to lack of MS support.
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Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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I totally disagree. Picsel browser is a fantastic piece of software and one of the first things I install after a ROM update. Not only does it to a bang-up job for daily browsing, but it is my default viewer for all documents, especially PDF and graphic files.
OP, seriously, give it a try and see for yourself... ESPECIALLY for docs.
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Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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The problem is it is a poor implementation , the software itself is amazing !
I've used this softawre in my E680i , no doubt , it is excellent when view M$ office document and PDF file .
So the problem should be Picsel never intend to release a general version of it's software , only for specific device ...
Ummm ... I wonder what it will looks like if a Hermes version is available .
Hmm... I don't get what the problem with Picsel is?! I never experienced any problems... No crashes, no memory errors. And I use it regularly especially for web-browsing...
i googled for Picsel browser but couldnt find any download links!?
mkmonkey: we hacked out the Picsel browser from a Samsung rom some time back, and there were any device compatible versions released. However, due to copyright reasons we were asked not to distribute it. I'm sure you'll be able to track it down though.
If you do find a copy on the board, please notify me so I or the other mods can delete it.
However, IMHO, I like it very much. There are other browsers, probably Opera or NetFront, that work more "robustly", but Picsel works nicely, and makes a good light doc viewer and pdf viewer as well, so all in, it's a good compromise. I used it for several months and it made my mobile browsing experience (on the Universal, VGA, with some hacks to make it a good deal sexier) significantly more enjoyable then Pocket Internet Explorer.
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hmm ask not to distribute huh?
well, mabye u could send me a PM with a "hidden" link, when picsel isnt watching .
edit: nvm, found it.
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection. On a XV6700, you have to open a connection first (by send/receive email or opening PIE) before launching Picsel. This is a pain to do every time. For this reason, I use it only when I need to view documents close up. Also does not seem to work with flash. Why WM devices still ship with such a crappy browser is beyond me when there are so many better alternatives, but with spotty flash support.
My biggest problem with Picsel was that when you scrolled, it did not render on the fly. You had to stop for it to display the new section of the page. Anyone have a version that did it properlY?
@obentou:
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection.
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I posted a workaround for that problem, maybe you're interested:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=277812&page=7
In that thread you find a small helper-program which you can bind to a key on your device to manually establish an internet-connection without having to start PIE.
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Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
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I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
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Taguapire.
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I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Uhm, what did that have to do with the sentence you quoted?
How do i use a proxy connection with the Picsel browser?
As far as I know Picsel does not support a proxy... Which is bad because most WAP flatrates depend on proxies... :-/
Hi there,
It was my understanding that if I use IE on my Touch HD then it will be detected as a mobile by some websites and therefore load a different version of the website. I was also of the understanding that this wasn't the case when using Opera and infact the sites would just see a normal browser and load the "real" page.
My understandings above may or may not be correct however now I've noticed that Opera is sometimes being diverted to mobile sites where it wasn't before. I think I may have upgraded the stock version in the past and I'm currently running build 15316.
Is there anything I can do to force "real" pages?
Thanks for any help/info
Justin
The solution!
Hi,
Just follow the next step.. open opera->click on left down corner -> settings -> advanced -> at the bottom select "indentify as"-> from the drop down menu select "Desktop computer"-> restart Opera
That's all !
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Hi,
Just follow the next step.. open opera->click on left down corner -> settings -> advanced -> at the bottom select "indentify as"-> from the drop down menu select "Desktop computer"-> restart Opera
That's all !
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In Opera 9.5 build 15613 i believe it is like that:
click on RIGHT down corner -> settings -> display -> verify that "mobile view" is NOT checked-> restart Opera
Thanks for the responses.
I don't have the menu options as mentioned in the first post. Maybe a different build?
And I do indeed have mobile view unchecked from the second post..
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Thanks for the responses.
I don't have the menu options as mentioned in the first post. Maybe a different build?
And I do indeed have mobile view unchecked from the second post..
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I too am interested to know the answer to this... For the most part it brings up full web pages, but BBC and Google sites always seem to bring up their mobile content.
Does someone have an answer? As stated above mobile view is unchecked in the options...
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I too am interested to know the answer to this... For the most part it brings up full web pages, but BBC and Google sites always seem to bring up their mobile content.
Does someone have an answer? As stated above mobile view is unchecked in the options...
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It probably depends on the website.
Some websites will have "sniffer" code built in that will query your device and get information out (eg OS/browser version/browser name etc etc). Nothing sinister - they're just trying to either collate user stats (eg to prove FireFox is gaining in popularity), or tweaking the look of the file slightly to improve the user experience / make sure the site renders correctly in different browsers.
I'm a web developer myself and use simple versions of these scripts to tweak CSS styling because different browsers follow the standards set in different ways.
So even if you've set your Opera to identify itself as "not" mobile version, the website you're looking at might well be looking at the actual OS (or something else entirely) to define how it presents the site to you.
Incidentally if you want to see the "User-Agent" information that a simple php browser sniffer gathers - see this link: It's basically the same sort of code that some people put links to in their forum signature bar.
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It probably depends on the website.
Some websites will have "sniffer" code built in that will query your device and get information out (eg OS/browser version/browser name etc etc). Nothing sinister - they're just trying to either collate user stats (eg to prove FireFox is gaining in popularity), or tweaking the look of the file slightly to improve the user experience / make sure the site renders correctly in different browsers.
I'm a web developer myself and use simple versions of these scripts to tweak CSS styling because different browsers follow the standards set in different ways.
So even if you've set your Opera to identify itself as "not" mobile version, the website you're looking at might well be looking at the actual OS (or something else entirely) to define how it presents the site to you.
Incidentally if you want to see the "User-Agent" information that a simple php browser sniffer gathers - see this link: It's basically the same sort of code that some people put links to in their forum signature bar.
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Thanks Riceburner, this makes a bit more sense now and understand all of what you are saying...
Cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Om...2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
looking really good
http://my.opera.com/operamobile/blog/2009/03/26/opera-mobile-9-7-beta-for-windows-mobile
no cabs floating around?
"OpenGL ES
Hardware acceleration with OpenGL ES support, ensuring smoother scrolling, panning and a more fluid user interface."
THANK YOU OPERA! ! ! !
No really, this is great. I can't wait. All browsers on WM have their vice's (including Opera), but still, every time I keep coming back for Opera Mobile goodness.
I checked out the Turbo function on the Opera 10 Alpha, and its pretty good. I hope the rendering is faster and more effective, since that (processing power) is still a weak point on WM devices.
Can't wait
Opera 9.7 sounds really good, almost too good to be true.
Can't wait to give it a try.
Hope the startup is as quick as Opera Mini - cause that's a dream to use!!
now they are also doing geolocation
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3887
Opera and Skyhook Wireless Bring Geolocation to the Web
from wmpoweruser by admin
Opera Software and Skyhook Wireless today announced their partnership to bring geolocation to the Web. Users can now simply choose to share their location with any Web site and get a range of information about related products and services around them. Whether it is local searching, social networking, geotagging photos, local advertising or discovering nearby content, geolocation is a key factor in creating a relevant and meaningful experience on the Web.
Traditionally, geolocation was considered as being only a part of a downloadable mobile application, but, with Skyhook’s Wi-Fi Positioning System (WPS), any computer or mobile phone with a wireless adapter can take advantage of its advanced positioning technology and locate a user, making this service available to any Web site.
“Location is always relevant when someone is browsing the Web,” said Tatsuki Tomita, SVP of consumer products at Opera Software. “By embedding Skyhook’s technology into Opera and making it available through the W3C Geolocation API, we ensure that every Opera user gets the same, high-quality, location-based experience out of the gate.”
With the new W3C Geolocation Application Programming Interface (API), Opera will make Skyhook Wireless’ groundbreaking location platform available to any Web developer with just a few lines of JavaScript. For example, a popular coffee chain will write the necessary JavaScript code on their Web site, Opera will ask the user for approval, then the location will be submitted to the Web site servers and their service will display the coffee shop locations nearest to the user on a map.
“Making accurate and reliable geolocation available over JavaScript to any Web developer means Skyhook’s market leading platform will be in the hands of a whole new world of developers and we expect to see the explosion of location-based services on the Web,” said Ryan Sarver, director of consumer products at Skyhook Wireless.
A technology preview for their desktop browser is available for download at http://labs.opera.com/.
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Anyone can tell everybody the day out?
when will it be out please let me know
Maybe it will be included in R3A?
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Maybe it will be included in R3A?
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I don't think so
This really looks amazing, i cannot wait to try it out when it's available!
All I ask for is Opera Bookmark sync. Hopefully this will be included.
I've also been searching for a possibility to edit the Opera-Mobile-bookmarks on the PC to get kind of sync. And I found a - I have to give in not very comfortable - solution.
All you have to do is to edit your 'opera6.adr'-file. You can either replace the one on your X1 with one made by Opera on the PC or you can also open the file with the Editor on your PC and edit it how you want it.
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I've also been searching for a possibility to edit the Opera-Mobile-bookmarks on the PC to get kind of sync. And I found a - I have to give in not very comfortable - solution.
All you have to do is to edit your 'opera6.adr'-file. You can either replace the one on your X1 with one made by Opera on the PC or you can also open the file with the Editor on your PC and edit it how you want it.
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>>> I already tried this and I noticed that the bookmarks are not in the same order as they are in pc browser. I also noticed that when typing in web addresses in Opera, that there is a lag because I think it searches through all my bookmarks.
Not new News of opera 9.7?
gretZ,
gongoscho
really excited to the opera 9.7.
Hope the flash problem really solved in the new version
my biggest problem with current version of opera in that you have to "zoom in" to click on links, as aposed to selecting them in the "zoomed out" mode. You get what I mean?
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my biggest problem with current version of opera in that you have to "zoom in" to click on links, as aposed to selecting them in the "zoomed out" mode. You get what I mean?
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yeah, know what u mean
i really really want adobe to release a decent flash plugin (or opera should come up with another solution)
Hope the new one can play youtube movies directly from the website they are buildin. Watching www.pocketnow.com I can only see black boxes with "play" sign on it. When there's no link to www.youtube.com its hard to find the one.
this is a bit of speculation.. but i thought id share:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/opera-97-turbo-to-be-released-tomorrow/
http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/...or-windows-mobile--available-this-Monday.html
to articles claiming a release of tommrow
It's probably not going to happen. Turns out, Opera are quite prone to simply giving up on software and never getting round to releasing new versions. It's as if they have some attention deficit disorder, except on a company scale.
Iris is probably better, anyhow.
Opera 9.7 beta ftp link
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/
Before you start bashing me for starting this thread. Note Ive Search And Haven't Seen This Come Up Yet.
Now As Much As I love Skyfire, Im not seeing a whole lot of support for it from WP7. Someone Please bring me up to par with whats going on?
Heres the Only Info Ive found on this and its not much http ://support.skyfire.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5513
Skyfire could actually function reasonbly well on WP7 (due to the rendering being done by Skyfire's servers) and would be allowed by Microsoft. It's just up to Skyfire on whether they want to make it or not.
Ok thanks. I guess ill have to wait and see.
I read something awhile ago where SkyFire said they couldn't make a SkyFire version for WP7 due to lack of Native Code. I'm sure they could write their own code instead of just borrowing Microsofts, but that is where they stand now.
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I read something awhile ago where SkyFire said they couldn't make a SkyFire version for WP7 due to lack of Native Code. I'm sure they could write their own code instead of just borrowing Microsofts, but that is where they stand now.
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I know Opera said that but I hadn't seen Skyfire.
I don't really see why they couldn't. They don't do any rendering on the device. They have servers that pull the web page on your behalf and transcode it into a format that's pre-rendered and easier on the device. I would think this would be pretty easy in XNA or maybe even silverlight. Now a browser that actually decodes and renders the page all on it's own, yea that will be much slower without native code. It's a good thing the built in browser doesn't suck.
They could probably get a working version of skyfire on a device but it wouldn't have multitasking ability like IE does so why would anyone want to use it? I think they will eventually have multiple browsers but I think it'll be after multitasking is fully unleashed.
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I know Opera said that but I hadn't seen Skyfire.
I don't really see why they couldn't. They don't do any rendering on the device. They have servers that pull the web page on your behalf and transcode it into a format that's pre-rendered and easier on the device. I would think this would be pretty easy in XNA or maybe even silverlight. Now a browser that actually decodes and renders the page all on it's own, yea that will be much slower without native code. It's a good thing the built in browser doesn't suck.
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Lol haven't seen it.
Are you sure?
Lack of Opera Mini is another let down.
Do you know the source?
doministry said:
Lol haven't seen it.
Are you sure?
Lack of Opera Mini is another let down.
Do you know the source?
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Sure of what?
Source of what? I didn't say anything that requires attribution...
i thought they were allowing for any third party browsers on wp7
deadwrong03 said:
i thought they were allowing for any third party browsers on wp7
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Yes, they are. However, third parties are limited to using managed code (Silverlight and XNA) which would make writing a browser implausible if not impossible. However, with browsers that perform the actual page rendering on a remote server and basically send a capture of the page back to the phone to display, they should be able to make one just fine. Creating an HTML and JavaScript engine in C#, particularly with the limitations that WP7 has on top of that, would be out of the question.
RustyGrom said:
Sure of what?
Source of what? I didn't say anything that requires attribution...
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Oh man, I was asking for the source of the Opera saying thy won't be able to make OperaMini for WP7!!
Be aware that T-Mobile is now checking Browser User Agent strings and is apparently blocking those with various things in them -- "Cyanogen" being, apparently, one of them.
Guess how I found this out?
Opera and similar will still work (of course) but this is a particularly-evil thing for them to be doing, as it now means that if you develop up something you're going to have to take some care to EXACTLY match a stock browser ID or it's likely you'll get bounced.
They've used this trick for quite some time to detect tethering, but now it appears they're just denying PHONE strings that are perfectly legitimate and from actual PHONE firmware if it's not theirs.
I'm not sure what's happening but I was able to not only search for it but browse the cyanogenmod.com website. That's serious censorship stuff if TMO is actively blocking access selectively like that.
No no you're missing the point.
Your browser sends a "User Agent" string that the web server can use to customize for the sort of device you are. This is why some sites come up with a "mobile" interface optimized for a smaller screen.
Well, carriers can intercept that -- that's how they detect tethering if you go around their "tethering manager" garbage, incidentally. AT&T has done this for a long time and T-Mobile started doing it a few months ago.
As of this evening I got an error while testing a CM7 build on another device stating that my browser agent string was invalid. The only thing odd about it is that it identified as a T-Mobile device with a Cyanogen firmware build on it, and they refused to let it go through. Opera of course works as do other browsers, but the stock Android one was refused.
Very naughty, in my opinion, and this is going to make custom firmware a bit more fun as developers and such will have to "spoof" an official T-Mobile browser UA or they're likely to find it doesn't work at all.
download Miren browser, and move on.
Well yes, other browsers work fine. But this is just another kick in the nuts from the "T".
Genesis3 said:
Well yes, other browsers work fine. But this is just another kick in the nuts from the "T".
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Kick 'em right back in the nuts with the APN workaround.
Ok I dont understand your logic.
You can download Dolphin browser on a stock phone, and change the user agent to desktop, iphag, or custom...
This is a silly post because it dosnt mean youre rooted, tethering, or have a custom rom.
As for T-mobile governing you, its their equipment (switches, access points...) they can do what they want basically. We are here to find ways arround that.
Point being that it's just going to be another thing that people will have to deal with, and its pointless from a carrier perspective.
I can see them looking for the common laptop and desktop stuff and screaming "Tether!" if they find it, but barring an obvious mobile browser because it's not one of "theirs" is rather foolish -- and annoying.
tzbigworm said:
download Miren browser, and move on.
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Am I the only one who can't find Miren in the Android Market anymore? Weird.
fbueller said:
Am I the only one who can't find Miren in the Android Market anymore? Weird.
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It seems to be gone now. Search for black Miren browser on Google. That's what I did and the black version is awesome.
This does not happen for me I'm the self alpha cm rom. I can get to any website just fine. Using the stock cm browser. I even installed cm on another device. It still works.
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I just had an issue with this for the first time a day ago.
Using opera, I tried to visit my bank and kept getting blocked/redirected to a wifi tethering uosell page. Also, tethering stopped working.
Rebooted, opera is working again, but no wireless or usb tethering.
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Genesis3 said:
No no you're missing the point.
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Actually I do understand the need to prevent unauthorized tethering. My comment was pointed directly at the censoring of specific websites which appears to be happening to the OP. TMO has the right to block unauthorized tethering but to wall off specific sites is an entirely different animal. Sorry I wasn't clear in my original reply.
Cheers
When doing about:debug in the stock browser on 2.3.6, I couldn't even find the setting to change the UA string. I think they removed it?
v8dreaming said:
When doing about:debug in the stock browser on 2.3.6, I couldn't even find the setting to change the UA string. I think they removed it?
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It is about:useragent in Samsung phones.
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Eh this is lame. T-Mobile is doing some really lame things now.
Can someone tell me how to replicate this? I am on a custom ROM and can browse Cyanogenmod.com website just fine.
I use Opera Mobile and Firefox Mobile with desktop user agent strings and have no problems. Then again I haven't tethered in months.
To those that think webpages are being censored you're misunderstanding; when you browse on a mobile device there is a little bit of code that tells the webpage what kind of device you're on and what software its running. This is called a user agent. Tmobile has started blocking devices on custom software (read roms) from accessing the web at all. This will only happen on roms that have had the user agent modified for example cyanogenmod.
It is not a censorship issue its a net neutrality issue.
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that doesn't sound likely at ALL.. it sounds more like a glitch than anything else.