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Minimo 0.2

On The Same Day That We Hear Of DeepFish, The Minimo Project Which Is Hosted By Mozilla Releases An Update. It Can Handle Modern Web Standards Such As Javascript And Ajax Check It Out Here.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Cheers

Thanks for the headsup. Looks nice. A bit slower to fire up, but the features look pretty good.

the o2 wap site works incorrectly, acts like a download rather than a page.
I may need to configure this a bit more.

Thanks for the tip. Loading from the SD card takes quite a while... I'll try main memory to see what happens.

You serious? I am going to check this out now...
I am surprised, I had been reading the developer's blog and he had pretty much given up on the project saying that he didn't have time to write\update the app and that they were thinking of following another route to keep Firefox\Mozilla presence in the mobile market, but oh well, I am not complaining.
Okay, downloaded and installed -- yes, I am multi-tasking-- nice... nice... much better than the previous version. Still... uh... slow though.
Let me play with it a little more.
Thanks for the tip.

I installed it and it much better than previous verson. I might actually keep it on my 8525.
I would suggest anyone trying it first go to option and disable soft keyboard and also enable cache to storage card.
I have done several javascript testing on some sites which I know almost all mobile browser chokes on it and minimo actually breeze thur it.
It still a tad bit slow but I am impressed how it handled some of the websites now.

After playing with it last night.
I can honestly say that I am disappointed. After hitting a page earlier I decided to try again. I am a huge Firefox fan however this update left a lot to be desired. Yes, it is only Ver. 0.2 so it is far, far away from being finished.
I installed it on the memory card. Not that it should really make a difference since I have Webby and Opera installed there and they run without quibble.
I must have really bad luck since when I enter an address, all I get is another tab of empty white space.
Tried www.google.ca ... nothing.
Tried www.fido.ca ... just another empty tab.
Heck, tried clicking on preferences.... and... nothing. Just another empty tab.
Aside the Homebase tab I was not able to see anything. What happened with this thing???

Opera Mini
Does it also compress the pages like OPERA MINI?
I find that OPERA MINI is a fantastic webbrowser for PDA, due to its very good compression of the actual site..and the build in RSS reader.
And its fast...

Martinhdk said:
Does it also compress the pages like OPERA MINI?
I find that OPERA MINI is a fantastic webbrowser for PDA, due to its very good compression of the actual site..and the build in RSS reader.
And its fast...
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Uh? What are you asking exactly?
Opera Mini does not compress pages at all.
Opera gets its data from a cache servers at Opera's headquarters. Opera Mini by itself compresses nothing.
To answer your question, Minimo is a full fledge browser like Opera or PIE.

I know - but for me that does not matter anything.. I only look at how it works, and how much trafic I have to pay for.
And if Minimo or other Mob Browsers does not use any compression tools - I believe they will generate far to much trafic, to become any serious alternative...
I pay around 1½ Euro for a MB and when roaming - I do not even dare to investigate prices... hehe
But I find it cool to get new browsers and I might use another when on WIFI - perhaps Minimo

I found that Opera Mini, is not the best compared to the full fledge browsers.
However interesting how things change to different people around the world. Over here in Canada, I am one of the few people --as the plan no longer exists-- to pay $50 for unlimited data through HSDPA. So to me the data aspect means nothing and since I tether through my laptop, well, lets just say that just yesterday alone because of my laptop, I used about 250 megs.
I am more about the usability and end user experience.
Too bad Minimo didn't seem to work with WM6.
Perhaps other people on WM6 encounter the same experience?

Seemes to still be almost unusably slow to me. Just pressing the buttons on the bottom seems to take too long. What's worse, copy/pasting URLs from my IM client into the Minimo address bar alone made it crash out at times.

agovinoveritas said:
I found that Opera Mini, is not the best compared to the full fledge browsers.
However interesting how things change to different people around the world. Over here in Canada, I am one of the few people --as the plan no longer exists-- to pay $50 for unlimited data through HSDPA. So to me the data aspect means nothing and since I tether through my laptop, well, lets just say that just yesterday alone because of my laptop, I used about 250 megs.
I am more about the usability and end user experience.
Too bad Minimo didn't seem to work with WM6.
Perhaps other people on WM6 encounter the same experience?
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In Denmark you can have unlimited for $85 with "3", but then you have TV-channels along with the offer - X-series. But still its quite expensive cause one still have to pay for calls... I have an old plan with 750 minuttes a month for $85 - so to put an unlimited data plan on top would give me an incredible phone bill every month... $85+$85... And by the way. At home I have a 4mb/768kb ADSL that costs another $85...
So... KEEP EXPENSIVES LOW --- hehehe..
By the way. I find that Opera Mini is very fast, and a lot faster than the build in browser - even when its on WIFI.

is there a browser like deep fish for wm6

i tried to sign up deepfish but it has expired i have the cab someone posted but no reg key so.
is there any other browser that is similar to deepfish available for wm6

Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it

The beta version of Mini Opera has a very good page overview feature, which is a good step forward.
Browse to mini.opera.com on your phone or go to http://www.operamini.com/beta/

Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
The new Opera Mini beta does an ok job, but still being a beta, it is rather buggy.
I think the key issue here is WTF happened to deep fish? Microsoft pushed it aside and to the bottom of it's list like it does with ALL Windows Mobile stuff. Such a shame MS doesn't care more about the mobile market.

Deepfish wasn't anywhere close to release, it was a development "sneak-peak". I'm sure they're still working on it. As for Picsel, it was a great browser for it's time. Don't know why you think it was poorly implemented. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of what we require in a browser nowadays, but neither did any of the others when it came out. And as for Opera Mini, it only has overview and zoomed in modes, nothing in between, which makes it just as useless as all the current ones in my opinion. Still waiting for Opera Mobile 9 to come out.

I assure you, they have had how many months to make it work? And they haven't done anything with it...
Face it, MS doesn't care a bit about the mobile market, we will never see any real effort from MS. I'm pretty convinced they have 2 guys there that are their mobile development team, lol

I tried DeepFish months ago and it had some promise. But, MS would drag their feet on fixing the reported bugs. Also, the beta would not allow cookies even though this had been a priority request of the community. I dropped it due to lack of MS support.

GldRush98 said:
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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I totally disagree. Picsel browser is a fantastic piece of software and one of the first things I install after a ROM update. Not only does it to a bang-up job for daily browsing, but it is my default viewer for all documents, especially PDF and graphic files.
OP, seriously, give it a try and see for yourself... ESPECIALLY for docs.

GldRush98 said:
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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The problem is it is a poor implementation , the software itself is amazing !
I've used this softawre in my E680i , no doubt , it is excellent when view M$ office document and PDF file .
So the problem should be Picsel never intend to release a general version of it's software , only for specific device ...
Ummm ... I wonder what it will looks like if a Hermes version is available .

Hmm... I don't get what the problem with Picsel is?! I never experienced any problems... No crashes, no memory errors. And I use it regularly especially for web-browsing...

i googled for Picsel browser but couldnt find any download links!?

mkmonkey: we hacked out the Picsel browser from a Samsung rom some time back, and there were any device compatible versions released. However, due to copyright reasons we were asked not to distribute it. I'm sure you'll be able to track it down though.
If you do find a copy on the board, please notify me so I or the other mods can delete it.
However, IMHO, I like it very much. There are other browsers, probably Opera or NetFront, that work more "robustly", but Picsel works nicely, and makes a good light doc viewer and pdf viewer as well, so all in, it's a good compromise. I used it for several months and it made my mobile browsing experience (on the Universal, VGA, with some hacks to make it a good deal sexier) significantly more enjoyable then Pocket Internet Explorer.
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hmm ask not to distribute huh?
well, mabye u could send me a PM with a "hidden" link, when picsel isnt watching .
edit: nvm, found it.

Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection. On a XV6700, you have to open a connection first (by send/receive email or opening PIE) before launching Picsel. This is a pain to do every time. For this reason, I use it only when I need to view documents close up. Also does not seem to work with flash. Why WM devices still ship with such a crappy browser is beyond me when there are so many better alternatives, but with spotty flash support.

My biggest problem with Picsel was that when you scrolled, it did not render on the fly. You had to stop for it to display the new section of the page. Anyone have a version that did it properlY?

@obentou:
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection.
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I posted a workaround for that problem, maybe you're interested:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=277812&page=7
In that thread you find a small helper-program which you can bind to a key on your device to manually establish an internet-connection without having to start PIE.

shanetheclassic said:
Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
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I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.

taguapire said:
I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Uhm, what did that have to do with the sentence you quoted?

How do i use a proxy connection with the Picsel browser?

As far as I know Picsel does not support a proxy... Which is bad because most WAP flatrates depend on proxies... :-/

best internet app for excalibur

hello,
i was wondering what's the best internet application apart from internet explorer, i know there's opera - is there anything else that is easy on the eyes and makes the internet experience like the desktop - in other words zooms to the size of the screen? please help, thanks.

any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

can someone just suggest an app, please?

Opera Mobile works well.
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/

thanks for the prompt reply.

I would have answered but internet App is a loose term. Any application that connects to the internet would be an internet app. If you would have said browser I would have told you Opera, DeepFish, or JB5.

oops, you're right - sorry i meant internet browser, lol. what was i thinking?

BTW, this is another kind of thread that should be posted to the Smartphone General forum.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323651

deepfish?? jb5? are they good??
can someone post some links.. plz..

Deepfish is a microsoft browser that certain users who signed up for the beta have. It's currently still being developed and registration numbers aren't being handed out at this time. If you google JB5, it's the first link.
Deep fish is comparable to Opera Mini, & iPhones Safari. Same concept. True webpage that you can access and zoom in on.

i like using opera mini 4 beta the best. the full page browsing is really cool. the two downsides though is that it zaps your battery and it doesnt keep you logged into web pages

hey thanks for the reply, but when you mean it doesn't keep you logged in?

MiniMo
There's a new browser on the block that I'm surprised no one has mentioned: MiniMo. The MiniMo project is an attempt to make a Windows Mobile version of Mozilla (as in the underlying technologies used in FireFox, such as the Gecko rendering engine). So far, it's at version 0.2, but has major flaws. It grinds my Dash to a halt very often, it has too many on screen buttons, navigation is a pain in the neck without a touch screen, and it has major stability issues (ranging from the program just not starting to locking up the entire device).
While this won't help you now, it's something to look forward to, and at least its current progress is accessible, unlike JB5 and DeepFish, and at least it's free, unlike Opera Mobile.

Auto-Refresh Browser

Opera PC version got this, and it works like a charm, need a phone version of this.
Is there a browser that have a option to auto-refresh?

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I don't think you will find a browser with that option. It's reasonable to do on PC because:
1) Internet connection costs next to nothing nowaday on a PC
2) PC has more CPU power
3) PC doesn't have to worry about the battery drain issue.
All those things are not true (or partly not true) with a smartphone so that feature will be one of the last things developer put on their todo list.

there are a few sites that have auto-refresh, mostly sport scores site.
with tmob its all unlimited data, there is no cap.
u tried browser like deepfish, skyfire, teashark?

Shining Light said:
there are a few sites that have auto-refresh, mostly sport scores site.
with tmob its all unlimited data, there is no cap.
u tried browser like deepfish, skyfire, teashark?
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To be honest I tried a few share of them to write down that remark unless they added something new after all that beta testing. But as I said before that will be one the last features they have on their todo list.

Microsoft release the restrictions!

I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!

MS listens to their customers DDDD

What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.

PG2G said:
What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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PG2G said:
What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.

I don't feel the need for any of those.
Internet Explorer is superb and the office applications are better than any i've used on other platforms.

doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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doministry said:
Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP

doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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The whole point of putting out a quality product from the get-go was to eliminate the need for all of this excess garbage. I replaced that crap on Android because the default stuff was garbage. This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
Also third party browsers can very well created but no one has put forth the time to build a new rendering engine solely for WP7.

ratchetjaw said:
I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP
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Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.

The OP is right.
Even if "IE9 is the best" (and there is no such thing) people love options. I am having a hard time giving up Android fully because there is no real cross platform chat option in WP7. No whatsapp. No Skype. These programs have millions of users. The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7. I used that all the time on my HTC Touch WinMo phone.
The NoDo update is so trivial in my mind. The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
Then I will be happy....er.

nicksti said:
The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
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more APIs... word around is MIX 2011 will introduce devs to more WP APIs (hopefully sockets is one of them)
and multi tasking is the mango update coming fall 2011 (septemberish?)

nicksti said:
The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7.
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They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.

emigrating said:
Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.
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oh okay my bad. I don't know all of that detailed stuff lol

Well WP7 has only one browser and few skins. Rendering is identical with all the good and bad consequences.
I am not asking you guys to need other options but it is sick that it's the only platform which still has no options. I like IE very much but I miss Opera Mini server rendering for fast browsing in worse coverage area. And I have few pages IE misses big time. No flash etc.
As for the Office, other platforms have DocsToGo which kills Office with one finger.
And now Softmaker will make Office for Android...
The Word implementation on WP7 is my huge disappointment. Almost featureless app.
It's the first time for 4 years I have to use PC to make basic editing like font style changing or inserting a tablet.
The same with email. The MS email client is so nice but at the same time is a pain. Not able to delete quoted message? Bummer. And very very often I don't see the pictures loaded or even worse, attachements don't show up so Ihave to open my email in the browser.

z33dev33l said:
This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
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No. It sounds like a person who likes to have a choice, especially compared to other platforms. And have had it previously.
WP7 is very far from perfectly functional device. We don't live in a camp where is only one truth for all. Accept the diversity.

emigrating said:
They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.
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I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?

Blade0rz said:
Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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That isn't a restriction, its an API that hasn't been implemented yet. There is no policy that limits people to Http Request and there is no switch they can flick to quickly enable it, outside of giving people access to the native APIs.
doministry said:
Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.

PG2G said:
Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.
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Really?
Read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/surfy-alternate-ie-shell-for-wp7-having-a-hard-time-getting-to-market/
This was just about the new broswer UI..

nicksti said:
I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?
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Yeah, Li'Messenger was removed a day or two after release. No official confirmation as to why, but I'm guessing because it accessed the Live servers directly thru unsupported APIs. Rumors have it they are bringing out a new version adhering to the Live EULA though.
Messenger by Miyowa had an update just a couple days ago which made it a lot more stable. It's still a very basic app though and I definitely wouldn't suggest you run out and get a new WP7 device because of it.
TBH though, I don't think Messenger in a larger capacity will work properly on WP7 until we get a native client (apparently not going to happen) or the OS allows apps to multitask (H2 '11 - so Dec 31st ). Even with live tile or toast notifications it's too cumbersome to use for anything but quick messages due to load/login times etc.