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Question about TheBiles root method

Been lurking for a while and reading up on rooting and flashing roms. Picking up my Evo tomorrow and I am going to root and flash a custom rom then. I have all of the necessary files downloaded and have read over TheBiles instructions numerous times. My question is on Section I Step 4 when I download unrevoked do I need to be concerned about downloading the correct version of unrevoked? I know that changes have been made to that app to allow more of a "complete" root but I am not interested in rooting that way. I just want to follow the guide provided by TheBiles so I want to make sure that I am downloading the proper version of unrevoked.
Thanks in advance for your help.

I'm not really sure about the changes to Unrevoked. I followed The Biles method a week or two ago and it went just fine using Unrevoked. I'm not even sure that it's actually Root. I think all it does is allow superuser access temporarily to allow you to backup your phone prior to actually rooting.
Once you've done the backup using Titanium Backup (and you aren't going to even need that on a fresh phone) it wants you to reboot into the phones recovery system and flash the actual firmware/whatever update that roots the phone.
So, long post made short: I think you can skip the Unrevoked part and go directly to flashing PC36IMG.zip. But I'm not 100% positive.

Does the OTA Simple Root unlock NAND

I can't seem to find the answer
Should I do anything after I do the OTA Simple Root. I was thinking of flashing the original RUU and going through the 3 step simple root, assuming this method doesn't unlock NAND.
I am using the White HTC Evo if that matter

It seems like I am also having issues with Wireless Tether with this root method, maybe I should just RUU and start over

michaelvibe said:
It seems like I am also having issues with Wireless Tether with this root method, maybe I should just RUU and start over
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All simpleroot does is downgrade you from 1.47 to 1.17. You have to update to the stock rooted rom(guide below). You'll still have root/nand access with superuser permissions to allow wifi tether/titanium backup etc etc.
Guide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715915
When it says to rename to PC36IMG.zip leave the .zip off. It won't read it with the .zip but leave the other file alone...don't rename it.

churchwin88 said:
All simpleroot does is downgrade you from 1.47 to 1.17. You have to update to the stock rooted rom(guide below). You'll still have root/nand access with superuser permissions to allow wifi tether/titanium backup etc etc.
Guide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715915
When it says to rename to PC36IMG.zip leave the .zip off. It won't read it with the .zip but leave the other file alone...don't rename it.
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Ugh that is over my head...guess that I am not as savvy as I thought. I ended up just flashing the stock RUU and am going to run the 3 step simple root.

michaelvibe said:
Ugh that is over my head...guess that I am not as savvy as I thought. I ended up just flashing the stock RUU and am going to run the 3 step simple root.
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Which RUU did you flash? The 3 step simple root won't work with the latest RUU. You need the Simple root OTA.
EDIT: Which software version do you have as of now?

churchwin88 said:
Which RUU did you flash? The 3 step simple root won't work with the latest RUU. You need the Simple root OTA.
EDIT: Which software version do you have as of now?
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I ran the original RUU, which sent my software version back to 1.32.651.1
On another note, I get an unhandled exception error when running simple root step 2, saying file not found.
sorry, original being RUU_Supersonic_1.32.651.1_Radio_1.39.00.04.26_release_171253.exe

michaelvibe said:
I ran the original RUU, which sent my software version back to 1.32.651.1
On another note, I get an unhandled exception error when running simple root step 2, saying file not found.
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Okay, I'm kind of confused about something. Did you previously have root/nand access?
As for the simple root error, I have no clue. I haven't used that program. You'll have to post in that thread and ask someone.

churchwin88 said:
Okay, I'm kind of confused about something. Did you previously have root/nand access?
As for the simple root error, I have no clue. I haven't used that program. You'll have to post in that thread and ask someone.
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I am not sure, I ran OTA simple root, but it somewhat confused me. Afterwards I installed Wireless Tether and it failed because of SU permissions. At that point I ran the RUU and was just going to start fresh. Everything is working fine, I just need to unlock NAND now.

michaelvibe said:
I am not sure, I ran OTA simple root, but it somewhat confused me. Afterwards I installed Wireless Tether and it failed because of SU permissions. At that point I ran the RUU and was just going to start fresh. Everything is working fine, I just need to unlock NAND now.
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Haha, you went forward then backward and now are moving to the same spot you was in earlier.
Where exactly are you right now as far as rooting? What have you done since flashing the RUU?

churchwin88 said:
Haha, you went forward then backward and now are moving to the same spot you was in earlier.
Where exactly are you right now as far as rooting? What have you done since flashing the RUU?
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Well I ran the RUU of course, and now I am almost through the 3 step simple root lol

michaelvibe said:
Well I ran the RUU of course, and now I am almost through the 3 step simple root lol
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If simple root won't work follow these two guides.
Guide 1 - **you can skip the part with the evorecovery for now** - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=690762
After that do this guide(part 2) - gives you unlocked nand - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701835

michaelvibe said:
Well I ran the RUU of course, and now I am almost through the 3 step simple root lol
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Hah you guys were right, I am now back at 1.17.651.1. What a waste of my time...
Total noobie, at least I didn't brick the phone in the process

michaelvibe said:
Hah you guys were right, I am now back at 1.17.651.1. What a waste of my time...
Total noobie, at least I didn't brick the phone in the process
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Hey, you live and learn.
Now, since that worked. You need the latest stock root rom(1.47). Go back to post #3 I made and follow my word of advice and the guide.

churchwin88 said:
Hey, you live and learn.
Now, since that worked. You need the latest stock root rom(1.47). Go back to post #3 I made and follow my word of advice and the guide.
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So at this point I can flash custom roms correct? I don't absolutely have to run the newest stock?

michaelvibe said:
So at this point I can flash custom roms correct? I don't absolutely have to run the newest stock?
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Yeah, you can go to a custom rom if you want. If you do the stock route first you have the option to do a nandroid backup which saves everything to that point so if you run into trouble later on you can just restore everything back to that point(meaning no doing rooting then unrooting then rooting again lol)
IMO, I would do the stock rom first and wait a couple days as the devs are cooking up the latest roms for a release here soon. Then I would get a custom rom but that is me.
EDIT: I only mention the nandroid backup because I don't believe you have a recovery flashed yet. If you do have a recovery I would highly suggest making a backup of both nand and google propiertory(however you spell it).

churchwin88 said:
Yeah, you can go to a custom rom if you want. If you do the stock route first you have the option to do a nandroid backup which saves everything to that point so if you run into trouble later on you can just restore everything back to that point(meaning no doing rooting then unrooting then rooting again lol)
IMO, I would do the stock rom first and wait a couple days as the devs are cooking up the latest roms for a release here soon. Then I would get a custom rom but that is me.
EDIT: I only mention the nandroid backup because I don't believe you have a recovery flashed yet. If you do have a recovery I would highly suggest making a backup of both nand and google propiertory(however you spell it).
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After I flashed that rom that you provided me with in link three, the recovery changed. I assume that is normal. The option for nandroid backup was gone, but I did find NAND backup with I assume is the same thing. The NAND backup is in case anything ever goes wrong when I am flashing correct?
Thanks for the help.

[Q] Learning user question about upgrading

Used to know how to run/install custom kitchens in the WinMo scene, but I'm still learning the ins and outs of Android.
I currently have a stock EVO running 2.1, which I ran unrevoked 3 on to get root (though from reading, I understand that's not "full" root). I only have Titanium Backup, & WiFi Tether, as those are the only real reason that I wanted root.
Now I would like to upgrade to Froyo, and given all the information, I just want to be sure I have the right method.
I understand that there currently is no way to root stock 2.2.
From my current start point, is this the proper way to upgrade?
1. Obtain full root by using Simpleroot 3-click method.
2. Download stock 2.2 rom, and load onto sd card, then rename to "update.zip"
3. reboot phone and let it install 2.2
Will this let me retain the root access, and allow me to reinstall the WiFi tether and Titanium Backup while running 2.2?
Thanks!

Zxurian said:
Used to know how to run/install custom kitchens in the WinMo scene, but I'm still learning the ins and outs of Android.
I currently have a stock EVO running 2.1, which I ran unrevoked 3 on to get root (though from reading, I understand that's not "full" root). I only have Titanium Backup, & WiFi Tether, as those are the only real reason that I wanted root.
Now I would like to upgrade to Froyo, and given all the information, I just want to be sure I have the right method.
I understand that there currently is no way to root stock 2.2.
From my current start point, is this the proper way to upgrade?
1. Obtain full root by using Simpleroot 3-click method.
2. Download stock 2.2 rom, and load onto sd card, then rename to "update.zip"
3. reboot phone and let it install 2.2
Will this let me retain the root access, and allow me to reinstall the WiFi tether and Titanium Backup while running 2.2?
Thanks!
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#1 - Excellent choice and right on the money!
#2 - Don't download ANY Froyo ROM that doesn't specifically say it's rooted! Also, DO NOT EVER accept any OTA updates. There are probably 8-10 2.2 Froyo ROMs in the dev section that are rooted for your delight, choose one you like the best.
#3 - Once you pick the ROM you want, put in the root of your sdcard. Then wipe followed by flash the zip from recovery.
As always, don't forget to nandroid backup FIRST!

SteelH said:
#1 - Excellent choice and right on the money!
#2 - Don't download ANY Froyo ROM that doesn't specifically say it's rooted! Also, DO NOT EVER accept any OTA updates. There are probably 8-10 2.2 Froyo ROMs in the dev section that are rooted for your delight, choose one you like the best.
#3 - Once you pick the ROM you want, put in the root of your sdcard. Then wipe followed by flash the zip from recovery.
As always, don't forget to nandroid backup FIRST!
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Thanks for the reply!
Never use a stock provided ROM, got it .
Okay, so I have to use a pre-rooted custom ROM to retain root after the upgrade.
Going by the one in your signature, it looks like that's just the stock rom, that has been adjusted to retain root privlages, (which is what I'm looking for) is that correct?

Okay, having some trouble using the SimpleRoot method.
I've tried both the Simpleroot .1, and Simpleroot 1.47, both of them lead to the following error. When the prompt on the computer tells me to boot into bootloader, then wait for the device to prompt me to install update, I get the following message on my phone:
Code:
Main Version is older!
Update Fail!
Do you want to reboot device?
<VOL UP> Yes
<VOL DOWN> No
Am I already fully rooted when I ran unrEVOker?

don't like to bump, but would like any help if possible.
I'd like to upgrade to Froyo, and still retain my root.
Thanks!

Zxurian said:
don't like to bump, but would like any help if possible.
I'd like to upgrade to Froyo, and still retain my root.
Thanks!
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enter "Main Version is older" in the forum search, and you can find a bunch of threads discussing this (as well as possible solutions)

Answered, [How-To] enclosed for Nov OTA

Go here for a much better proceedure:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ng-nov-ota-rooted-incredible.html#post1876792

dsb9938 said:
Rooted Inc, otherwise factory ROM. S-OFF in effect.
If I flash a factory recovery, will the OTA update take?
Can I not simply reflash ClockWork after the update?
Thanks guys.
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Im pretty sure it will take if you've got factory recovery. It doesn't seem to be as secure as the vaunted froyo update was.
And yes, you can simply reflash clockwork, but from bootloader, as a PB32IMG.zip
S-Off is wonderful.

Fretless said:
Im pretty sure it will take if you've got factory recovery. It doesn't seem to be as secure as the vaunted froyo update was.
And yes, you can simply reflash clockwork, but from bootloader, as a PB32IMG.zip
S-Off is wonderful.
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What if I'm rooted without stock recovery?

thevoiceless said:
What if I'm rooted without stock recovery?
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When you get the update nag, you ignore it, flash the stock recovery, which I am in process of getting now, then apply the patch, then reflash Clockwork.

Fretless said:
Im pretty sure it will take if you've got factory recovery. It doesn't seem to be as secure as the vaunted froyo update was.
And yes, you can simply reflash clockwork, but from bootloader, as a PB32IMG.zip
S-Off is wonderful.
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Thanks, now to get the stock recovery from the RUU. Wee Haw!!!!

dsb9938 said:
When you get the update nag, you ignore it, flash the stock recovery, which I am in process of getting now, then apply the patch, then reflash Clockwork.
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I'm still pretty new to this, how should I go about getting the stock recovery and flashing it? All I've done is use Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, then install ClockworkMod via Rom Manager, so pretty much everything has been done for me :/

thevoiceless said:
I'm still pretty new to this, how should I go about getting the stock recovery and flashing it? All I've done is use Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, then install ClockworkMod via Rom Manager, so pretty much everything has been done for me :/
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I've asked in a couple places for the stock recovery. If/when I get it I will post a short how to.
I just don't want to lose everything on my phone to get this update.
I did a NAND backup and installed the update manually and there are several improvements I would like to have, such as significantly reduced charging time. But right now, without a custom ROM, the only way to get it is the RUU, and that wipes the phone.
Dennis

dsb9938 said:
I've asked in a couple places for the stock recovery. If/when I get it I will post a short how to.
I just don't want to lose everything on my phone to get this update.
I did a NAND backup and installed the update manually and there are several improvements I would like to have, such as significantly reduced charging time. But right now, without a custom ROM, the only way to get it is the RUU, and that wipes the phone.
Dennis
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Awesome! Keep me updated

Please Hold.

dsb9938 said:
Please Hold.
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What do you mean?

Go here for a much better proceedure:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ng-nov-ota-rooted-incredible.html#post1876792

I am stuck at the bootloader not finding update.zip
any ideas?
stock 2.2 rooted s-off
I am assuming that you can't just apply the update.zip from clockwork because it fails to find the stock apps (which it is trying to update, such as AppSharing, and Flickr, etc.) that I removed.
p.s. step 7 is worded in a misleading way, although I understood what you meant. (reads like - rename the deleted file)
thanks for your help

JDubbz said:
I am stuck at the bootloader not finding update.zip
any ideas?
stock 2.2 rooted s-off
I am assuming that you can't just apply the update.zip from clockwork because it fails to find the stock apps (which it is trying to update, such as AppSharing, and Flickr, etc.) that I removed.
p.s. step 7 is worded in a misleading way, although I understood what you meant. (reads like - rename the deleted file)
thanks for your help
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Having this issue with somebody else. I'm not sure if you can name it PB31IMG.zip or not, but you can try. Worst care, it doesn't load that way either.
I'm helping somebody else with the same issue right now, but his phone is totally hosed up, so I'm taking him back to stock 2.2 first. He has a good Titanium backup, so he won't lose anything.
If anybody else knows why the loader might ignore an update.zip please let me know.

JDubbz said:
I am stuck at the bootloader not finding update.zip
any ideas?
stock 2.2 rooted s-off
I am assuming that you can't just apply the update.zip from clockwork because it fails to find the stock apps (which it is trying to update, such as AppSharing, and Flickr, etc.) that I removed.
p.s. step 7 is worded in a misleading way, although I understood what you meant. (reads like - rename the deleted file)
thanks for your help
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Okay, I have confirmed that you may perform "install sd/update.zip" from ROM Manager. It does work.

I'm still confused; do I have to have the stock recovery to do this?

I am not sure of these steps because I have read the threads from here and the post you put on Android forums as well and both threads are mentioning some issues.
Some posts state payload-update is unneccesary.
Some posts state that these steps are failing.
The post I am most concerned about states that "Rooted STOCK ONLY" means you can't have removed any bloatware either before doing this update. I have several apps removed, do I have to restore them before I take these steps?
Also not sure why folks are asking if they must have stock recovery. The instructions don't say anything about that.
I have noticed that the nagging has stoped on my dinc however if I go to the about update section in setup I find it states that the update has been successfully downloaded and is ready to install. Will this try to install the next time I boot the phone or is OK to boot?
Edit: Forgot to mention Some posts state that the process fails and you have to wait a few hours to continue, that's confusing and not in the instructions.
In summary
1) Do you have to re-install bloatware to make these steps work?
2) Is payload-update really necessary? What does each install in these steps do?
3) Does the process fail at some point if you don't allow the device to sit for a while, if so what step should you let it sit? It would be nice if someone understood this part also, anyone have a possible reason for this requirement?

I was asking if stock recovery is required because I've been told that OTAs won't install correctly if you don't. I was wondering if that still applied.

I got the update notification tonight and I clicked for it to install, and it counted down from ten seconds and said it was going to reboot and install updates, but it never did reboot. I'm guessing this is because I have unrevoked recovery? My gf's non rooted phone did get the update tonight as well, and hers installed without a hitch.
Sent from my HTC Incredible «•» Rooted/S-off/Froyo 2.2 «•»

Rooted, Stock 2.2, S-off, Clockwork; some bloatware removed
Install initiated through clockwork halted on vznav.apk, so I'm guessing it needs the original bloatware. I know that I should have backed it up but I guess my hatred of VZ pushiness got the better of me. Anyone have a work-around?

BrooklynAlex said:
Rooted, Stock 2.2, S-off, Clockwork; some bloatware removed
Install initiated through clockwork halted on vznav.apk, so I'm guessing it needs the original bloatware. I know that I should have backed it up but I guess my hatred of VZ pushiness got the better of me. Anyone have a work-around?
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I guess we need someone to share the bloat apk's; I removed some of them without backing up, too :/

[Q] Long time Hero user, just got my EVO. unrEVOked/rooting question...

I wanna root my EVO and delete all the garbage I dont use. Ill stick with the stock rom for now.
With the hero, i would download rom manager, root the device, install clockwork and have at it - deleting the bloat.
is the process about the same with the evo? from my research, it seems that unrEVOked will root and flash a custom recovery. is this accurate?
thank you thank you

Former Hero user myself. I do believe unrevoked has been updated for the easy root method. If you want a stock rom you can use sprintlovers, or MikFroyo4.2 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883026. 4.3 is themed, but 4.2 is mostly stock with some bloat taken out, but it's put on your sd card if you want to install any of them, and it has been re-engineered. Basically useless language support has been taken out of all the apks and it is very fast, especially for a sense rom.

Ideally, I just want to gain root access with the stock rom, then delete bloat.
Is this possible with unrEVOked?
thanks!

i ran unrEVOked, everything seems to have worked. it rebooted, now the unrevoked recovery reflash tool reads, 'waiting for reboot'.
my phone rebooted and i installed superuser from the market. I dont have SU access via adb. i havent tried the phone method because i prefer adb. im gonna attempt it now.
thanks for your help more would be appreciated
edit: i actually dont even know how to boot into recovery on the evo. i tried home+power. gonna hit google.

tailsthecat3 said:
i ran unrEVOked, everything seems to have worked. it rebooted, now the unrevoked recovery reflash tool reads, 'waiting for reboot'.
my phone rebooted and i installed superuser from the market. I dont have SU access via adb. i havent tried the phone method because i prefer adb. im gonna attempt it now.
thanks for your help more would be appreciated
edit: i actually dont even know how to boot into recovery on the evo. i tried home+power. gonna hit google.
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Please before you go to far read up on Amon_RA/Clcokwork recovery and some of the issues that have come up recently. Also if you are a basic noob to this I suggest you download Rom manager to help you with flashing. One more thing if you rooted your phone properly there should of been no need for you to go to the market and dl SU. So double check and make sure its been rooted and you have S-off.
1 turn your phone off
2.press power button while holding the vol down button
3.check HBOot to say S-OFF - to ensure your rooted

i used urevoked and didnt seem to work. i had no su access. i then tried the adb method here with thte pc136img.zip that gave me 2.1.
when i try to run an ruu update i get error 170 usb connect.
anyway i can at least get back to stock?
thank you.

When did you buy your Evo?
If you just got it then unrEVOked will not work for you, you need to use this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448 root method
Also there is this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881747
read it before trying to root your phone and doing things that could brick your phone.

You also want to make sure the root method you are using is compatible with your hardware and hboot.....
Coming from the hero myself, it became clear quickly that there is a lot more to know about the evo vs what you need to know about the hero....
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

This is the thread for the newest unrevoked. If you have new hboot then this is what you need. Give it a try and let me know if it works for you.
link- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895208

squick said:
This is the thread for the newest unrevoked. If you have new hboot then this is what you need. Give it a try and let me know if it works for you.
link- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895208
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thanks a lot! it didnt seem to work. i didnt have su access. is there a way to just root the stock rom 3.70.651.1? and gain access to delete the bloat?

tailsthecat3 said:
thanks a lot! it didnt seem to work. i didnt have su access. is there a way to just root the stock rom 3.70.651.1? and gain access to delete the bloat?
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I don't understand why it's not working for you. That's weird. I've only used unrevoked so I don't really have any ideas. Sorry.

SSjon said:
When did you buy your Evo?
If you just got it then unrEVOked will not work for you, you need to use this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448 root method
Also there is this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881747
read it before trying to root your phone and doing things that could brick your phone.
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thanks. i tried that method, i dont have su access. i ran the AutoRoot v2.2 - No PC36IMG_UD.zip autorun file.

I just got my EVO a few days ago. I'm such a noobie to this, my last phone was an old school Razr..
I downloaded unrevoked3, followed the program prompt and it pretty much did all the work to root the phone. I just had to plug the phone into the computer. (Prior to rooting make sure you download the driver onto your computer but go into "remove programs" in windows and uninstall the HTC sync that came with the driver. You must also enable USB Debugging on your phone.)
I then went to the Droid Market on the phone and downloaded the free version of Titanium Backup. After downloading, the app should appear on your phone. When you first click the app it will display an error. Something about no root access or busybox. Just ignore that and click the "Problems?" button on the app. The app will install busybox and fix itself and now your good to go. Titanium will clean out any of the bloatware you don't want.

tailsthecat3 said:
thanks. i tried that method, i dont have su access. i ran the AutoRoot v2.2 - No PC36IMG_UD.zip autorun file.
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If it still did not work then you need to restore the RUU like it says in the post. I ran the file with the PC36IMG, try that.

did you install the modified HBOOT driver on your PC?