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This is a question for all, but primarily for the devs who have been working with the various Android 2.1 builds.
I have been silently playing with many of the Android 2.1 flavours offered by the various developers posting here at XDA, and have been suitably impressed with all they have managed to accomplish, especially in the absence of the kernel source.
That said, most of the 2.1 ROMS are lacking in some manner (GPS tweaks required, battery life, bluetooth on calls, etc.) and all are slower than the optimized Cupcake ROMS (e.g. the MoDaCo ROMS).
I understand that the performance of the 2.1 ROMS is hampered in large part to the lack of the kernel source but the consistent speed discrepancy between Eclair and Cupcake leads me to the question at hand:
Even if the kernel source were available, does the Hero actually have the horsepower to run Eclair and offer performance similar to Cupcake? Would those of us who want similar performance be best advised to look at devices with a little more under the hood (Nexus One, Desire, etc)?
Devs, what do you think?
The fact of the matter is a 2.1 rom (official) is in development it has been announced and the fact there has been leaks in the CDMA hero shows that it does really exist.
If its being built for the hero then it will work.
Kernel sources will help solve a number of issues we are currently facing in the "custom" roms.
Every phone can do things differently for example 2.1 has live wallpaper support but we will never see this in any official rom as it will not work perfectly on the hero.
With every new leak we are getting closer and closer to what an "official" gsm hero rom will be like, but it will never be the same as for example a desire 2.1 rom.
I'm no dev but if the kernel source for 2.1 was released devs would be able to overclock the Hero so 2.1 ROMs would run much smoother. Also if you look at the Hero compared to its successor (the Legend) the most significant difference is the processor 528 MHz on the Hero and 600 MHz on the Legend. So I personally don't see why the Hero shouldn't get a 2.1+ ROM.
Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the original 1.5. If it runs like that now, I believe it will go better with an optimized kernel - when the sources will be available. As for the overclock (I would like to add that for me OC is a very important hobby), I don't see the reason why you would like to OC a mobile phone. Overclocking would make battery life go even faster than before, and to charge the Hero everyday... I don't think many of us want something like that.
What I think is the best way to improve a mobile phone performance, considering it runs Android, is to improve the software, not the hardware. After all, it's Linux.
Eclair runs on G1 better than Hero !!
even though Hero is more powerful !!
it's a Kernel and drivers issue
anyway, the update delay probably because of 2.2 (Froyo). it'll be released in May after all..
HTC didn't say that but it'll be dump (even retarded) to give us 2.1 after 2.2 is released !!
RaduG said:
Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the original 1.5. If it runs like that now, I believe it will go better with an optimized kernel - when the sources will be available. As for the overclock (I would like to add that for me OC is a very important hobby), I don't see the reason why you would like to OC a mobile phone. Overclocking would make battery life go even faster than before, and to charge the Hero everyday... I don't think many of us want something like that.
What I think is the best way to improve a mobile phone performance, considering it runs Android, is to improve the software, not the hardware. After all, it's Linux.
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I already have to charge my phone everyday becaue I am always playing witht it or text or on the internet... and right now im running Kimera 1.6 Overclocked and it feels as if I get the same if not similar battery life.
The Hero shouldn't be doubted when it comes to being able to run 2.1, as previously mentioned its the other things like live wallpapers that were not developed for this type of CPU.
Whats the crack with the dream running it? did HTC release the sources for the kernel? or just plain ole group hacking?
Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the
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I already have to charge my phone everyday becaue I am always playing witht it or text or on the internet... and right now im running Kimera 1.6 Overclocked and it feels as if I get the same if not similar battery life.
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Same here. The Kimera 1.6 overclocked ROM is amazing. I've been using it for a few days now, and I have to agree the battery life is almost identical to stock 1.5 in my opinion.
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hi all, i'm still here
i installed android on my kaiser (scooter's cyanomod build froyo), and i'm happy (exept for the camera... still hoping) but i have a question :
it's normal that the animation are slow, the menu are ... don't know... "fat" to appear even with a fresh installation...
i mean, i know that kaiser is not the fastest phone on the Earth, but i think that a completely empty android coud be handeled by it..
i tried to play with compache settings, but i dont have manu results, and i prefere not to overclock, due to the high battery drain
ps : i tried to search in the forum and in google, but with no results
thanks !
I know what you mean. I wasn´t here in the Kaiser thread for a long time because i have a HTC HD2 now. But i loved Android for my Kaiser.
I can say that the older Donut builts runs much faster/smoother than froyo. The Kaiser is an old Phone but quite good. But it is like as it is on PC. You can run Vista on an old machine but the experience is... uhm...
I had Myn´s Warm Donut on my Kaiser but it seems that there is no further development. But RLS5 was fast an stable...
Another thing for smoothiness is the kernel you use. I changed to an older kernel because under a newer one the animations seems to be laggy. I dont know how it is now with the kernels. But you should test some different kernels.
I should dig out my Kaiser an play a little bit around with the new kernels and androids... ;-)
@ highcoder:...
2 builds of Froyo I would suggest is ThoughtlessKyle's NSS (Not So Super) Froyo and Incubus26Jc_'s Super FroYo RLS15 with .25 for a kernel. You have to put in a wireless update, and either 1.65 or 1.70 radio ROMs (both work great), but so far so good. 520MHz OC and everything on NAND and the only app that FC's on me is Pandora radio (I guess because it uses so much memory for each song)
I will probably be trying ThoughtlessKyle's Fat Free Froyo soon with the same .25 kernel here soon, but the 2 suggested above seem to be what I like to use.
Fat Free Froyo is by far the fastest release I tried.. But I'm still facing some problems with my battery, it drains so fast.. I think i will go a release back and try Donut for a change
EIDT:
highcoder said:
I can say that the older Donut builts runs much faster/smoother than froyo. The Kaiser is an old Phone but quite good. But it is like as it is on PC. You can run Vista on an old machine but the experience is... uhm...
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Best explanation quote
thanks for reply
poor kaiser, is a little oldie phone =) but with android maquillage tadaaan, it seems brand nes (ehm...)
i'll try with a stable .25 kernel version then
but htc touch (touch dual) is better than kaiseR? the cpu freq is the same... (even worst, in compasrison wih the first touch 200mhz)
thanks again
I'm running the .35 kernel with an overclock at 500Mhz done using Atools.I have always overclocked to 500 using this method & my battery lasts for a good couple of days with moderate use.well,texting,the odd phone call and a bit of data usage.
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I'm running the .35 kernel with an overclock at 500Mhz done using Atools.I have always overclocked to 500 using this method & my battery lasts for a good couple of days with moderate use.well,texting,the odd phone call and a bit of data usage.
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I found using Vaniji Eclair with the .25 kernel is the fastest, and gives me decent battery life (about 12hrs with moderate use). I've been using Gingerbones with the .32 kernel, but because of how unstable .32 kernel is, I kept getting crashes, data corruption, etc...
Scooter, how did you get the .35 kernel? Can you IM me how or where you got it, so I can maybe compile my own version? The thought that you get several days under moderate use makes me want to get inside the kernel to check out if CPUFreq is indeed working on that kernel.
can i have your kernel too? or where to get it
thanks !
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Scooter, how did you get the .35 kernel? Can you IM me how or where you got it, so I can maybe compile my own version? The thought that you get several days under moderate use makes me want to get inside the kernel to check out if CPUFreq is indeed working on that kernel.
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The kernel i am using is compiled from dzo's original .32 git repo, i have made a few adjustments to it which i can't remember because it was before christmas. Once i've got my jan exams out the way i will do a git diff and push any changes i have made. Life's a little chaotic at the minute though. I am running my 5.5 build, phone came off charge at 9 this morning and was reading 97%, after a day of texting, some data usage and general gaming on the toilet (as you do!!) my battery is reading 70%. It's the original samsung battery too, so it's quite a few years old.
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The kernel i am using is compiled from dzo's original .32 git repo, i have made a few adjustments to it which i can't remember because it was before christmas. Once i've got my jan exams out the way i will do a git diff and push any changes i have made. Life's a little chaotic at the minute though. I am running my 5.5 build, phone came off charge at 9 this morning and was reading 97%, after a day of texting, some data usage and general gaming on the toilet (as you do!!) my battery is reading 70%. It's the original samsung battery too, so it's quite a few years old.
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Oh nice! Looking forward to compiling this myself, though really don't mind trying it out now. lol
Well back on topic, since everyone here is saying go Donut, I think I'll be a rebel and say go Eclair, it's not far from Froyo, and ahead of Donut, so you kinda get the inbetween of the two.
today i tried to overclock my kernel to 500 mhz...
now, i see a lot of artifatcs... now i rollback, but anyone had the same issue?
with "atools" can i set something that can help me to inmprove performance?
thanksy
update : rolled back to base kernel... but artifacts still here
another update : downloaded from frash the kernel, applied the overclock to 500 and no other options : no more artifacts
Ok i´ve reactivated my Kaiser to try around a little bit.
The last one i´ve tried was Fat Free Froyo with the latest 2.6.32 Kernel from DZO and it´s a very fast & stable built. Not as fast/smooth as Myn´s warm Donut (with an older Kernel) but for a Froyo on Kaiser much impressive.
@bboygolem
Overclocking ist not the best way to improve performance. Better... its a poor way. Even if you have a new big battery the batterylife is not so long... one day or so... and if you now speed up your CPU your batterydrain is much higher, the thermal stress for CPU and other components is higher and the chance of force closes, app hangs, artifacts, system crash, data corruption/loss is very high. On the other side you have only a little performance increase. Too little that you dont recognise it in all day use. Of course a calculating benchmark will show you maybe a 20% performance boost but only for calculating things. But the Speed of an operating system is defined by the weakest thing in the whole chain.
Better get a good optimized android built. building a android for kaiser nowdays is easy as going to toilet, but cook a highly optimized, smooth runnin, slim rom is the real deal...
So you have to test and compare the builts and the kernels (the newest is not always the best).
The best (fast,smooth,stable) built on the first Forumpage is Fat Free Froyo.
But still the best (most suitable for Kaiser) built i´ve ever tested is Myn´s Warm Donut RLS5 in conjunction with an older Kernel from Kallt_Kaffee. The best combination ever.
It is an Android 1.6 so it is older but smaller too. So it runs faster and smoother and you have more RAM for apps. Especially when you run resourcehungry programs like Navigon Mobile Navigator you need the extra Memory. With eclayr, froyo you have only force closes...
But at least it´s on you. Your favors, your taste, your choice...
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it´s a very fast & stable built. Not as fast/smooth as Myn´s warm Donut (with an older Kernel) but for a Froyo on Kaiser much impressive.
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May I ask about the battery consumption in Myn's warm Donut release? is it the same as Froyo built?
highcoder, thanks for you reply, but i have some questions:
1 - i know that overclocking the cpu , i have a more battery drain and disease percentage, but i noticed a little performance increase.... can it be "placebo effect"?
2 - I thought to use the old kernel, but i read somewhere that is slower than the new one. It's true?
3 - I can install the donut, i don't care about eyecandy's, but I'm afraid that a lot of apps in the market shall not work with the "donut" distribution.. am i wrong? using fat free froyo with the old kernel shall improve my performance?
thanks again
sorry, dobule post
Oh that are a lot of questions i cant answer properly.
The overclocking has of course an effect. But it is only a little average performance increase. Hard to notice that. the most of that is really placebo. But the risk of brick something or to have an instable system ist sigificant higher... so its not worth it...
i dont know about the older kernels because i have a HTC HD2 since 6 Month so there was a lot of change here. Froyo have got a real performance increase the last months. So the kerneldevs and the chef´s here do a good work. But the best Foyobuilt (2.2) here with the newest kernel don´t beat the smoothieness and felt speed of Myn´s warm Donut (1.6).
I never had a problem with market apps and donut. Shure there will be apps that wont work with donut anymore but for that case there are enough alternative apps that will work.
If you want i can search my HDD´s for the kernel i used an give it to you...
But now i´ll go to bed.
thanks highcoder, it'd be very kind from you =)
have a good night
@bigboss2200 & bboygolem
Battry Drain Test with newest DZO Kernel and Fat Free Froyo is in progress. After that i will test Myn´s war Donut with a NEW Kernel. So i can compare these builts about batterydrain and Speed. May be the speed improvements of the new Froyobuilts i´ve noticed are only Kernel related. In this case Myn´s warm donut should benefit from this kernel optimizations too an we will have a real performance boost. I'm curious about it.
I will post my results...
in the meantime, i installet latest dzo kernel and fat free froyo, and it seems stable and usable
but if using the .25 kernel i will be able to use the camera and to shut down the phone permanently, keeping an accettable speed, i think i'd downgrade the kernel
i'm looking forward to see your test results
ok i have tested Myns warm donut with .32 kernel = laggy animations
so i downloaded the latest .25 kernel from here. After that i downloaded the mandatory update for all older builts from here. Without this update wifi won´t work. In newer builts it is cooked in already.
Flash the kernel.
Install Myns
Install Update
Weeehaaaa! It works with the newer .25 too. Smooth animations, very responsive and snappy. WLAN works fine... battery drain will show a longer test...
I always made some adjustments. Go to spareparts -> Window Animation = fast and transition animation = fast, fancy input animation = on
Give it a try... Let your Kaiser feel "young" again ;-)
EDIT: Dont use the builtin Astro filemanager. Its outdated... Download a newone from market. My Favourite is Estrong ESfileexplorer. Because it can handle FTP and SMB. That mean Windows network shares too. So you can exchange your files over wlan with your PC.
ok guys i am planning on buying defy but have a few doubts
1)does adobe flash 10.1(not flash lite) work on defy even on unofficial means like rooting flashing etc?
2) when can we expect official froyo on the device?
3)how is the gaming performance with high end games like raging thunder 2?
4)how is the battery life?
5)any critical flaws with the device?
thanks in advance
only had the phone a few day but this is what i can tell you answers in red
1)does adobe flash 10.1(not flash lite) work on defy even on unofficial means like rooting flashing etc? works with 2.1 for some things and comes with 2.2 and seems to be fine
2) when can we expect official froyo on the device? im running uk 2.2 froyo now very fast and everything works
3)how is the gaming performance with high end games like raging thunder 2?had the first one before i updated to 2.2 ran sweet as a nut don't know how much more demanding the second one is
4)how is the battery life? depends on how you use the phone but i charge mine once a day but i use it like all the time it usually has wifi on for at least 4-5hrs a day and im always playing with it or on the web
5)any critical flaws with the device? um not really or i haven't come across any yet
hope that helps cheers
Here the link on how to put flash on eclair: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-install-flash-10-1-on-android-2-1-eclair-devices/
The official update to froyo is planned for the Q2 2011, from march to june.
Games run really good on Defy, sometimes a bit of lag on heaviest, but for a while, if you overclock your device, no lag experience
Battery life it's normal, about 1 day with my (really heavy) use with wifi always on
No big problem, except earpiece fail on my device as many other here -.-
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Thanks for the link, does anyone try it successful in the official Andriod 2.1 eclair with this Flash package? Thanks!
Hello Guys,
I decided to try out a new benchmark called Smartbench 2010. However when i run it, it gives me pretty low scores - about 800/1100 which i find kinda funny cos for example G2 has 1100/1400. So i was wondering if anybody tried this app already on the DHD and what are the results. The system runs smooth so it is not a real issue, but im curious....
I got 900/1300
Stock ROM. Not rooted.
I was about to create the same thread until I found this one. I have a rooted DHD using custom rom: ARHD 2.0.14, OC 1,2ghz. These are my scores:
410/692
Tried with USB-debugging mode ON: 781/1151.
Could someone with knowledge let us know why we get low scores? The phone itself runs smoothly as mentioned in first post.
I would like to know this too.
I got 983/1434
Stock ROM
i got 1500/1941 got 1577/2251 at 1.51 ghz on cm7
Bumb
Anymore news on this?
I am also interested why the DHD gets such a low score compared to a G2, or the myTouch 4G which scores even higher and has the same chipset as our phone.
Probably only software issues, right?
Sorry for waking up an old topic.
1129/1620 on CM7 Nightly #31, 1.2GHz
Could be better huh
will post mine after i install CoreDroid HD GB 2.3.3 V4.8
i got 1113/1135
Stock Unlocked,Unbranded DHD
I tried several builds of CoreDroid, which had different drivers and kernels and the score is still quite low, as well as on the stock ROM... It would be great if anyone would post gingerbread scores even if its still leak...
just ran benchmark 2011 with coredroid 5.0 gingerbread rom got 955/1195 not to bad on standard kernal
i got 1453/1643 on 1.5ghz CM7 build #31
So we have results from 600 - 1500 . This means this benchmark is rubbish and tells us close to nothing about anything...
Get over it guys
^^ agreed!
Hi all.
Just setting up a Defy for a less technical fellow and was wondering which rom you would recommend. Chief considerations are stability, battery life, and as little blur as possible. Thanks.
I have been using J boogie's Deblur Honey based on finland 3.4.2-145 sbf for about a week now. I OCed to 1000mhz, got anywhere between 1350-1500 in quadrant. Not using setCPU or set vsel, and I go through my day ~14-16 hours with moderate web surfing and checking fb and have 40-30% left. So I think that's pretty good, especially w/o setvsel/setcpu which i don't like using because im a mimimalist.
3.4.2-155 is proving the most stable for me.
I tried 3.4.2-155 and it worked great except for a lack of 3G.
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I have been using J boogie's Deblur Honey based on finland 3.4.2-145 sbf for about a week now. I OCed to 1000mhz, got anywhere between 1350-1500 in quadrant. Not using setCPU or set vsel, and I go through my day ~14-16 hours with moderate web surfing and checking fb and have 40-30% left. So I think that's pretty good, especially w/o setvsel/setcpu which i don't like using because im a mimimalist.
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running the same rom for several days, I didn't OC, still smooth, no issues, very good rom...
Barebones (by fritolays) based on 3.4.2-155 is just amazing if you're looking for speed, stability and a heavy deblur. But, pay attention to the name, it's definitely barebone, you may have to add some apps by your own.
If the owner is not very technical oriented just flash stock 3.4.2-155. I use it since it appeared and is rock stable.
I also recommend 3.4.2-155 . This one has the fastest booting time, and its solid.
Good luck
quadruple dito. I am currently using Pays ROM which is based on the 155 build and it's been amazing thus far. I flashed several other ROMs based off other builds and overall have been greatly pleased...but Pays gave me the highest quadrant score so far (1507 oc'd at 30/300, 54/700, 70/1200).
Quintuple dito.
Using deblurred rom with custom style and tweaks and I am very happy with it.
Similar in speed as my HD2 was on froyo... and much better battery live.
Defy neeeds cm7, though.
I am currently using Pays 5.0 ROM which is based on the 3.4.3-11 build and it's fast and stable. Originally 3.4.3-11 is a blur rom, but you can skip the account creation and pay removed a lot of unnecessary stuff from that.
3.4.2-155-2
1 week of use, 0 problems