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"For us, the cost of going from good to great is a clean break from the past. To enable the fantastic user experiences you’ve seen in the Windows Phone 7 Series demos so far we’ve had to break from the past. To deliver what developers expect in the developer platform we’ve had to change how phone apps were written. One result of this is previous Windows mobile applications will not run on Windows Phone 7 Series."
http://blogs.msdn.com/ckindel/archi...e-new-windows-phone-developer-experience.aspx
He also specifically mentions developers in it for learning and fun. I have to think they'll embrace free apps and not charge a dev $99 to submit an app if it's going to be free.
Another softie's blog post on the topic... http://www.artificialignorance.net/...ne-7-series-developers-developers-developers/
Yupe, and all WM5.x, WM6.x applications will NOT run on WP7:
To enable the fantastic user experiences you’ve seen in the Windows Phone 7 Series demos so far we’ve had to break from the past. To deliver what developers expect in the developer platform we’ve had to change how phone apps were written. One result of this is previous Windows mobile applications will not run on Windows Phone 7 Series.
Well, this is just a NEW mobile OS, it is not an upgrade / update of current WM, this kinda expected.
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We took the feedback we gathered from developers, looked at the full potential of Windows Phone 7 Series and landed on 3 basic goals for the platform we’re delivering;
1. Enable end users to be able to personalize their phone experience through a large library of innovative, compelling, games and applications.
2. Enable developers to profit.
3. Advance the “3 screen plus cloud” vision
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Definitely WP7 is customizable, this is good, but how far the customization will be? For sure, no more Sense UI, TouchFlo kind of customization, nor SpB Mobile Shell.
I hope a "launcher" like still possible? Microsoft mentioned that we can put app as a tile in the start screen. I am wondering if that app would be some kind of app launcher ... icons grid
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When we talk with developers we hear them talk about three different “currencies”: making money, learning, and recognition. Some developers are in it for the money. They are either literally being paid to write code or they are writing code with the hope it will generate coin.
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This could mean professional mobile developer who earn and make money for living developing mobile applications.
Give them free tools! free submission charge! That would certainly be more attractive.
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Other developers tell us they are interested in advancing their knowledge – love of the game. They love learning about computers, programming, games, social connections, etc… So they build software to learn. They profit by being smarter.
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Does this mean "hobbyist" aka XDA dev?
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Other developers are clearly motivated by pride. Maybe there’s a bit of money and learning involved, but to these developers being noticed or recognized as doing wickedly epic sh*t is top of the list for how they measure profit.
We think all three “currencies” are valid and important and we are explicitly trying to build the platform and developer experience to support “profit” in each.
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Or this?
From what I'm reading MS is actually listening to all of us and I think that is a damn good thing.
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Definitely WP7 is customizable, this is good, but how far the customization will be? For sure, no more Sense UI, TouchFlo kind of customization, nor SpB Mobile Shell.
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As far as I know it OEMs are not allowed to add their own UI extension, but I didn't hear it that you can't just add a 3rd party app like Morbid Shell. It's only an app, and you can install apps, can't you!?
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As far as I know it OEMs are not allowed to add their own UI extension, but I didn't hear it that you can't just add a 3rd party app like Morbid Shell. It's only an app, and you can install apps, can't you!?
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It's much more than an app.
@gogol Tiles can also be shortcuts. But I doubt that one tile can link to multiple apps.
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I know what Morbid Shell is. But by definition it's an app. You download it from Marketplace or somewhere and install the cab. Sense is not a cab but part of the ROM and you can say part of the OS. That's the difference as I see it.
Catalyst
WP7 is the catalyst that is getting me back into school to learn code. I have a degree in electrical engineering, but with the possibilities unfolding in the mobile OS world today, I want to be apart of that. The Star Trek dream has begun.
Don't expect any Haret.exe this time around.
This has turned into the same crap Apple did, a retarded OS for retards that have no clue in anything, but like the "oh so cool" flashy menus.
I think in regards to haret we are forgetting one very important thing as we compare this to iphone
jailbreak does broaden the possibilities on the iphone so I'm not so sure this is the total end of haret
what if the tiles based home screen is just a today plugin like Sense is, wouldn't we be able to disable it? if so, maybe the devs here @ xda can come with a kickass UI xperience. i've got some great and unique ideas... too bad i'm not a codewarrior.
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what if the tiles based home screen is just a today plugin like Sense is, wouldn't we be able to disable it? if so, maybe the devs here @ xda can come with a kickass UI xperience. i've got some great and unique ideas... too bad i'm not a codewarrior.
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I'm pretty sure that the start screen on WP7 is definitely not a plug-in of any kind. It's hardcoded to the system and as far as we have been told no one is allowed to write different UI's on top of it. Not to say that it won't be possible. It just won't be carriers and OEM's doing it.
So basically... this means we probably won't be seeing apps like Opera Mobile (or any custom web browsing rendering engine), and things like that, that are really required to be written in native code for speed.
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So basically... this means we probably won't be seeing apps like Opera Mobile (or any custom web browsing rendering engine), and things like that, that are really required to be written in native code for speed.
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I don't believe so. These are still apps. MS is creating a single baseline that all developers will be able to use so the platform is uniform and easier to develop for. This will create a stable Windows Mobile experience and hopefully make it more enjoyable for noobs and vets alike without providers and manufacturers messing it up. Opera and Opera Mini are simply applications so they should be able to work once developed for the new UI and OS.
Opera and Opera Mini are simply applications so they should be able to work once developed for the new UI and OS.
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It's not that simple.
Of course
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It's not that simple.
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Please explain.
Re browsers, you just won't ever get decent performance with managed code, so you need native. Even if you could, porting the whole thing to a new language would just be too expensive. Most people just seriously underestimate how complex browser engines are these days.
Opera Mini, on the other hand, is of course perfectly possible, it's not a browser really.
And I have no problem at all with Opera Mini, except Flash ... but for that, I use SkyFire or YouTube app.
Opera Mini would be my top app to port to WP7 ... because I doubt the new IE is good to use.
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Re browsers, you just won't ever get decent performance with managed code, so you need native. Even if you could, porting the whole thing to a new language would just be too expensive. Most people just seriously underestimate how complex browser engines are these days.
Opera Mini, on the other hand, is of course perfectly possible, it's not a browser really.
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Re browsers, you just won't ever get decent performance with managed code, so you need native. Even if you could, porting the whole thing to a new language would just be too expensive. Most people just seriously underestimate how complex browser engines are these days.
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Yep, and Opera have their own engine. They still have not even released their Android port. Opera Mobile on WP7 is not going to happen anytime soon.
Same for lots of other things that heavily rely on native code or are hard to port over.
Sorry, guys. It's just not that simple.
Hi all,
I got my first android phone (HTC Desire) last week and immediately started experimenting with it. Rooted it, installed a few different roms and ran into pretty much all common problems along the way(and was able to fix all of them as well).
I've been running Desire_HTC_WWE_1.21.40_NoRadio_NoHBoot_Rooted_Signed.zip for a few days now and I am pretty much ok with it. The reason I am not running a 2.2 rom is because the 2.2 roms I tested last week all had some problems(no video, green tint when using camera flash etc.).
I absolutely love this forum but one thing I feel could definitely be improved and that is the description of all the different roms. Is the rom using kernel 2.1 or 2.2, does it include busybox etc. Maybe this is/was in the wiki but i have never seen that as it has been down since i first visited this forum.
In my opinion a standard table with the most important information about the rom should/could be added to all rom releases and make a table with all the different roms a sticky post(maybe even with a feature like i want a rom with these functions, which one could i use). This would make it much easier to select a rom that suits your needs.
I have attached an image of an example table i made with most of the functionality that's important to me.
How do you all feel about this? Is the idea viable and which options should be added/removed in the list?
+1 on this one!! i find it quite confusing sometimes!!
very good +1
Good idea
Indeed. I've always found it confusing to look for a decent ROM on XDA. I used to use Winmo phones and have always installed different ROMs. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make a website that would list ROMs for all phones that XDA has forums for with ratings, features, etc.
If you are familiar with French, you may have a look at this table made by the french Android website FrAndroid.com
Unfortunately, I have no time to translate it, but feel free to copy it and translate in English.
since i doubt that someone will keep up with all the roms i think the best way is for the developers to submit their rom-specsheet
i mean it would be better if all the developers decided in a poll with table examples how they want to intro their roms and then any developer with rom post that table to his thread so we the users can see their differences in more detail and more clearer....
if someone didn't got it read this....
let's say DEV1 post a table1
DEV2 post a table2
DEV3 post a table3
DEV4 post a table4
into a thread and then all of them choose the UniFormat table that they will all use or a table5 which is a combination of all then into their corresponding rom threads they will update with this table showing what their rom has....instead of those lists the put this will be better for all the users....
Some recomendations for the table are:
Radio
Kernel
Apps2Sd (ext)
Sense
720p (with fps)
ocuv
2.2, 2.1
Flash
KNOWN BUGS
Love this idea think its great,
profete162 said:
If you are familiar with French, you may have a look at this table made by the french Android website FrAndroid.com
Unfortunately, I have no time to translate it, but feel free to copy it and translate in English.
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nice table...good work
profete162 said:
If you are familiar with French, you may have a look at <CAN NOT POST LINK> made by the french Android website FrAndroid.com
Unfortunately, I have no time to translate it, but feel free to copy it and translate in English.
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That table looks pretty good, I was also thinking to make a shared google spreadsheet. Language shouldn't be too much of a problem even for non french speaking people I guess but I will try to translate some of the less obvious words:
derniere version = latest version
rom de base = base rom
Nouvelle version du = Latest version released on
Lien = download link
Enregistrement vidéo = video recording
facebook Synchro = facebook synchronization
Echo pendant un appel = echo during call
3 couleurs de LED = 3 color LED
Les Plus = The good
Les moins = The bad
Commentaires = Comments
Recherche vocal = voice search
Pas Recherche vocal = no voice search
Pas les % pour la batterie = No battery %
APN ( 3G+) n'est pas automatique. = APn not automatic
I have been wondering why so many chefs have this KNOWN BUGS thing in their threads at all when it always says NONE... Yeah, right... especially if you read through the thread.
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+1 great idea. It's way to confusing at the moment
+1. It's a wonderful idea, it would certainly help new users that have not yet memorized which builds or kernel versions belong to which version of android . And it would be quite handy for everyone else as well
We should quickly decide which format to use and hopefully chefs will embrace it
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I have been wondering why so many chefs have this KNOWN BUGS thing in their threads at all when it always says NONE... Yeah, right... especially if you read through the thread.
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Fully agree with you, i installed a 2.2 rom with "no known bug" only to find out video recording was not working and that taking photos with flash produced a green tint on the photos. I think all rom developers should keep at least the first post in their threads updated when new bugs are found and/or features are added(and not use a 1.0 release thread to post about 2.0 release, this makes all posts before the 2.0 release obsolete).
I've been working on that french spreadsheet, almost finished translating it to english and updating it. One possible way for this to work is to give all rom developers write access to a google spreadsheet so they can add info about their roms. Their rom column could easily be exported to html and/or image to include in their rom release post. I'll see if I can put it online tomorrow.
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Fully agree with you, i installed a 2.2 rom with "no known bug" only to find out video recording was not working and that taking photos with flash produced a green tint on the photos. I think all rom developers should keep at least the first post in their threads updated when new bugs are found and/or features are added(and not use a 1.0 release thread to post about 2.0 release, this makes all posts before the 2.0 release obsolete).
I've been working on that french spreadsheet, almost finished translating it to english and updating it. One possible way for this to work is to give all rom developers write access to a google spreadsheet so they can add info about their roms. Their rom column could easily be exported to html and/or image to include in their rom release post. I'll see if I can put it online tomorrow.
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Yes this seems to be a very good Idea. The best would be that each developer responsible for his rom, would have access only to his line.
A part from this, it's a very good idea. Add to this a glossary for the meaning of each specification, and will be great.
I am French so feel free to ask for any translation (for now seems to be OK does'nt it ?)
Nice one! +1
You could also include kernel versions, e.g. 2.6.32.9 or 2.6.33.x and so on
I agree the table is very nice and it answers the most common questions I have about every Desire ROM now.
However, I believe this is not going to work unless there is some formal procudure. (Human factor always wins ) For example there could be some common place on the site, where every everybody could register their ROMS for every supported platform. Every platform or even mobile can have own specification, which can be generated by all intrested parties.
It would be nice if there would be some voting, comparison capabilities. As well maybe a list of links to forum messages about known issues, where every issue could have own branch.
Also on such type sites I often miss issue tracking systems like Bugzilla or even some file versioning system. (Of course there comes legal issues for storing some of the files, which probably in this case hinders from having versioning system.)
good idea, would make things so much easier especially now we have so many roms.
cheers
You are right, there are too many ROMs which make me crazy ^^
I have to make my Super Circle Battery mod available for a lot ROMs (if I can ^^)
hi there,
the defy is my very first android-mobile device. I had windows mobile 4,5,6 in the past and i'm using palm pre (webos) since over a year now. I am dissapointed about the apps for webos, because they dont exist every app appears first on iphone.. somethimes for android... and never for webos. So, on amazon-cybermonday, i bought a cheap motorola defy.
But i am dissapointed.. not in the device but in the OS. This is Version 2.1 and feels like a buggy windows mobile 5 Nothing works really intuitively (?).
i installed all the cool apps in from the app-catalog, which first doesn't worked with my gmail-adress. i had to use googlemail.com adress (?). that took me about 2 hours then i installed the facebook app, which didn't told me that i have unred messages. I dont Like this app because i know the webos one.
so i tried google goggels.. cool app, indeed. But after 2 fotos, the device hangs and had to be restarted. there is no button to restart -.- ^^
ok, after the restarts, i tested other apps.. i downloaded very much apps.. there are very trashy apps in the store. Some japanese, chinese and other unreadble apps with no description.. hmm... until a message appears, that i dont have enogh memory and should close some apps. ...
and .. really.. how do you life with a OS without an ability to exit apps?? i had to download a taskmanager to kill open programs (to get 90% of the used memory back.. not 100%).. so after some opening and closing, i had no more memory and had to restart (pardon: shutdown and start) again.
my sum up: i have a mobile phone with has potential. it has a great camera (which an app had destroyed so i cannot use it anymore because blue color switched to red color, it was a filter in an crashed (or killed) app) and a good display, waterproof and long durability.. but the OS is not usable in my option. the apps are not designed well, they are mostly "ugly". i dont know what app is running without looking into another app, which is ugly too
so my question about one week of testing and finally returning to Webos. Why is android so.. unusable? i would call myself as a geek, but hey... that is too much Or.. maybe.. i am doing it wrong! what is possible with an android-phone? how many hours of customizing do you have to spend to have an android which is exactly like you want it? and where can i copy that
I think the problem with the Defy is that it's shipped with Motoblur which is by and large the cause of the "ugliness" and sluggishness of the phone.
Get Launcher Pro, I've only heard good things about it
Sounds like you have been installing a few too many apps my friend!
One of Android's stong points is it's ability for apps to customise the interface and modify the functions of the device. However, this can also be a weakness with poorly written applications bogging things down, or as you experienced with the camera app, stopping some features from working.
I would reset your device back to it's default state, and start again, choosing carefully what you install (tip: Check the reviews and comments in the market before you hit install).
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I think the problem with the Defy is that it's shipped with Motoblur which is by and large the cause of the "ugliness" and sluggishness of the phone.
Get Launcher Pro, I've only heard good things about it
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I think i like the motorola blur although i dont really know where this starts and ends The widgets are ok and the ability to have a connection from my pc zu the android-blur from the internet is good to know if i cannot find my device or want to upload something without moving..
But, like milesg suggested, i will reset the phone.. i have to anyway because of the camera-bug. maybe i can install this launcher.. i dont want to break the phone because it is proberbly a gift for christmas.
@milesg.. i have written the reviews on androit-pitt and have installed only the very good apps.. thats what dissapointed, too. ^^
I wouldn't worry about "breaking" the phone, as far as I know (at least from what I've read), LauncherPro is just a simple download and install app (doesn't involve any unrooting/unlocking/etc.) so I'd definitely give it a shot.
I'm surprised by the undertones of this thread. It's a phone! It's not a general computer, it's not a GameBoy, it's a portable communication device. I have not owned a smartphone before. Well, at least not for long. I tried the HD2 Pro and thought it was a device with the clunkiest interface I ever used. I tried a Blackberry (Bold 9700) and hated the walled-off ecosystem (a reason I will never use Apple devices), and now I got the Defy and after a week of playing and tinkering with the setup I'm happy as a clam. I installed LaucherPro (and paid for the plus version although the only widget I ended up using is the calendar) and PowerBar. Then I added Pure Messanger for my unified Gmail inbox. I have no Motoblur accounts, no Social services of any kind, only two home screens (one for e-mail, and one for weather/calendar/Reuters news, and a few shortcuts), and that's it! I've got a phone with good quality calls, great speakerphone, maps, navigation, e-mail, and IM on the go. I'm happy. Less (of good quality) is more.
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Or.. maybe.. i am doing it wrong! what is possible with an android-phone? how many hours of customizing do you have to spend to have an android which is exactly like you want it? and where can i copy that
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I agree with you to some extent. I just finished 2 days of getting my new phone to run, and I only persisted because I am a software developer and never give up on a computer, as small as it may be. In terms of immediate usability, my previous SonyEricsson P1 is still ahead.
just some examples: after importing my contacts through motoblur, I realized that birthdates were not mirrored in the calendar. I created a few test contacts, whose birthdates DID appear. I now decided to delete all contacts from MB and re-import through my google account. After that, the birthday events of the newly created entries were still in the calendar, even though the contacts proper were deleted. I had to root my device, install a database client app, and go directly to the Contacts/Events database to delete the entries.
This morning, the calendar widget insisted on showing yesterdays date. No way of convincing it that this was the 8th of December. Meanwhile (12:00 am) it has caught up, however.
Bottomline: if you feel this platform is still in its infancy, and it is questionable how it will ever become the platform of choice for your wife or for efficiency-oriented business purposes (in other words: non-geek usage), you have my sympathy.
chris
I installed LaucherPro (and paid for the plus version although the only widget I ended up using is the calendar) and PowerBar. Then I added Pure Messanger for my unified Gmail inbox. I have no Motoblur accounts, no Social services of any kind
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sounds like you did the right things - i will investigate this for myself. But you really just confirm what has already been said. Unless one has a clear understanding of what does not work, and what alternatives are available, the DEFY (and probably any other Motorola phone, and most other brands as well) will cause a lot of frustration.
I say exchange/return it asap and get a diff andriod device before getting stuck in a 2 yr contract....but don't let that one phone give a bad rep to all android phones...get an android that doesn't come w motoblur
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I installed launcher pro as well. Phone runs supper smooth now. Also, this thing is way better than gameboy. I play nes and snes games all day
@prophil
Windows mobile (note not WP7) is the best OS ever, so i can understand you're disappointed.
But, be realistic, development is getting poor and WM will die soon.
All the OS available today are worst than WM but you have to chose one of them if you want to do more than calls with your phone. In my opinion Android is the best choice among those OS, that's the reason it is so popular.
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I installed LaucherPro (and paid for the plus version although the only widget I ended up using is the calendar) and PowerBar. Then I added Pure Messanger for my unified Gmail inbox.
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can you please tell me where to find PowerBar? Cant find it in the AppStore
I felt the same way about my hero until i found xda!!
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Lol you're coming from a winmo and saying that android isn't intuitive and that its ugly? Lmao ok. I've never used a winmo that i didn't wanna throw off the bridge.
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I love Android noobs
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Lol you're coming from a winmo and saying that android isn't intuitive and that its ugly? Lmao ok. I've never used a winmo that i didn't wanna throw off the bridge.
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Lol you're coming from a winmo and saying that android isn't intuitive and that its ugly?
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Well, i see that my poor englisch leads to a miss understanding. I'm not coming from Windows Mobile. I had owned a xda and and xda2i .. thats about 8 years ago i think?.. and i could get used to it. it was cool.. you could do a lot of things.. (while other phones still had monochrome displays).. but the feeling, that the OS and the Device were married like El and his wife in "married with children" is : that just doesn't work.. so i had putted it in my desk and forgot about it. for about 7 years or so. I thought things have changed.. but they haven't really.
I come from WebOS.. that was.. is.. my actual smartphone-OS. That is exactly like a OS should look und feel in my opinion.. <- that was my mind before i every tried iOS or Symbian or Android... i never will go to Apple, so my curiosity leads me to android. That should be the best, they all told me. (ok, like iOS is the best is what all the apple-people tells me). And.. its not
Have to ever had the chance to test webOS?
anyway, my work is done, im at home now and im just going to reset the device and try my luck again
Fact is Android might not be for you. But that doesn't mean it's a bad OS, just means it's not what you want in an OS.
Definitely need to take your time with downloading apps your first try out with the phone. Don't go app crazy. Download a few of them, test them out, uninstall those you don't like and go on, but don't do this with twenty apps at a time.
My first Android phone was a Cliq...believe me you are much better off with the Defy.
Its me again
I've been installing and testing.. configuring and uninstalling.. i think.. i made one mistake on my first run. i didn't installed the launcher Pro!
after i installed the launcher pro, the OS is becoming usable.. i can make folders instead of scrolling through a buggy endless list of apps. and if i want to scroll, it is smoothy
then, i have found very attraktiv apps, like a file-manager with bluetooth and smb support. and i can send everything from and to my dlna-devices. .. ok.. thats just funktionality, not more.. but.. i think, i just have to play some more days with the OS to get used to it..
or.. shouldn't I because i will give it away (gift^^)
I used my Samsung Soul for more than two years before I moved to Motorola Defy to increase my productivity. In 2000 I bought the HP Jornada 720 (WinCE) that I really liked but stop using it as it wasn't truly a portable device and I couldn't possibly have it with me everywhere. I kept it until 2008 as a secondary backup solution for important information such as contacts before threw it away.
Now that I own an Android OS based mobile phone for more than a week I can say that I'm kind of disappointed with the OS. Maybe I had too much expectations but I'm not disappointed enough to give up the OS just yet.
Android 2.1 out of box is hardly worth investing in my opinion when you have no use for social networking i.e. Facebook and twitter features. However, the prospect of checking emails on the road with availability of a wireless connection is very appealing to me but Android 2.1 is very poor in supporting multiple email accounts. I understand that Android 2.2 has a better email support but I have to wait up to six months for better support. It is beyond me how Google didn't see the demand of such feature in the first place. I think the lack of proper email support in Android 2.1 demonstrates that Google didn't target users like me originally.
The lack of Office Suite is another disappointing thing for me. Out-of-box I cannot even write/read a simple note in a text file. The sticky notes widget shipped with Motorola Defy does not serve my needs at all. I would have loved to be able to trasnfer a word document to my phone for later reading.
I'm sure there is an app on the market for whatever I want my smartphone to do but the cost and time I have to invest deters me even from trying.
I haven't found browsing internet on a 3.7" device a pleasant experience but having that feature in Android by default is assuring for urgent matters when a laptop or desktop PC is not available.
I'm also pleased that I can watch videos and listen to music when I left my Sony Walkman S series at home. Watching video on 3.7" device is certainly an advantage but the battery usage is always a concern on phone devices but not with PMP devices.
I was also surprised to find the lack of customisation compared to my Samsung Soul. Everything about Samsung Soul can be customised and one can build his own theme without any technical knowledge. In Android 2.1 only ring tones and wallpapers are customisable. I can't even change the background colour of system menus for instance. I'm sure there is an app for that.
Google's own services/apps are great if you have a use for them. For instance google's map comes handy for me very occasionally. I have lived without it so far while I was on the road. On the other hand, I will have a use for a proper GPS software such as CoPilot that I intend to purchase soon and I'm pleased it is available for Android platform.
Conclusion
I doubt it Motorola will upgrade Defy beyond Android 2.2 and I'm willing for the time being stick with Motorola Defy until end of 2012.
By no means I dislike Android but in terms of productivity I expected much more. All the features I use on my Motorola Defy can also be found on other mobile platforms so nothing to praise about when it come to Android. The initial ownership cost of my Motorola Defy which I like the hardware very much is much lower than equivalent/similar handsets on other mobile platforms.
In my opinion Android platform is not suited for very active business users nor power users like me out-of-box. Once out-of-box features are improved for business oriented users or power users then I do not see why I should consider what other mobile platforms are offering.
Hi all... Well im new here and im glad to find tech fanatics like myself .. I joined in to find ways to make my phone better but i found myself spending most of my time here on wp7 forums.. Im interested in buying one but i have some concerns and i hope someone helps me here...
I need the arabic language so is there any word about an official rom yet? And if yes when will that be?
Im in a place where ppl forgot sms and started using whatsapp instead.. I looked it up and to my surprise i found that microsoft didnt provide APIs that enables apps to access the phone address, which is the core feature of whatsapp... Does anyone know when will it be possible to have whatsapo on a wp7 phone?
And thnx in advance
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not sure about when you'll get arabic support. the phone can already support it in the fact that your contacts can have the arabic characters in them, and you can receive messages in them, but just can't type in them.
as for extending the APIs to support more features, I believe that PIM and Socket support were two of the most popular requested features and we will probably hear more about it at MIX 2011 conference where hopefully MS reveals additional APIs to support this sort of thing, which would hopefully solve your "whatsapp" issue.
Believe me: I was just like this! I came here to see tips to my android, and caught myself look more and more in WP7 forums. And Brazil, Portuguese, is not supported too.
About the Arabic keyboard, you might look this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917886
If you Chevron Unlock your phone you can install your own language. That should do it. The only problem is.. Will it work after update? So, or you will be stuck before the Copy n Paste update, or they will find a solution and you will have the best without losing your configs. Anyway, I have an Android, an iPhone 4 and WP7. For sure WP7 have become my favorite one.
I dont miss copy n paste. And I love the Metro UI and all notification system (though it can be better, using the led).
About WhatsApp.. I think they are not that cool with this atitude. Yes, Microsoft API doesn't support their way to work. Okay, so, why not do the app another way? You could input the number!
So yes, there is another way, even if it is worse. But you have the option, at least. They just don't want it. Or maybe they are working in it.
Seriously, you wont regret trading your Android for WP7. Trust me (;
Hello guys !
I'm starting developping with Phonegap. I have a first app to make which will be quite heavy, technically speaking. A lot of data retrieving, many different displays... I need advices to choose the framework to use.
I have read a lot on Jquery Mobile, the most widely used today and the one I feeled comfortable using since I already know Jquery... But it has many issued I don't want to deal with (UI is too much IOS, sometimes gets very slow because not using hardware acceleration, no MVW structure...). Plus, one of the Phonegap creators told in a post it's not a good idea to use JQM with Phonegap since it's too heavy : sintaxi.com/you-half-assed-it
I read a lot on many blogs, forums, on stackoverflow... The paid side has many great things like Sencha Touch, KendoUI or PhoneJS. Any of them could be good. I just don't know if they worth paying since there are a lot of free solutions.
Then two of them got my attention : Ionic ( ionicframework.com ) and OnsenUI ( onsenui.io ). Both seems pretty cool and with great features, native look and hardware acceleration use, but... One is in Alpha, the other in Beta ! Is it reliable to use such tools, that seems not ready for production ?
Some just advice to use Bootstrap... Some say to use Zepto ( zeptojs.com ). A lot of these advices were given 1 or 2 years ago.
Well... As you see, I need actual advices, and preferably from people who already tried many of these solutions
Thanks ahead !
( Sorry for not linking sites, I am a new member so I'm not allowed to post outside links )
JerryBels said:
Hello guys !
I'm starting developping with Phonegap. I have a first app to make which will be quite heavy, technically speaking. A lot of data retrieving, many different displays... I need advices to choose the framework to use.
I have read a lot on Jquery Mobile, the most widely used today and the one I feeled comfortable using since I already know Jquery... But it has many issued I don't want to deal with (UI is too much IOS, sometimes gets very slow because not using hardware acceleration, no MVW structure...). Plus, one of the Phonegap creators told in a post it's not a good idea to use JQM with Phonegap since it's too heavy : sintaxi.com/you-half-assed-it
I read a lot on many blogs, forums, on stackoverflow... The paid side has many great things like Sencha Touch, KendoUI or PhoneJS. Any of them could be good. I just don't know if they worth paying since there are a lot of free solutions.
Then two of them got my attention : Ionic ( ionicframework.com ) and OnsenUI ( onsenui.io ). Both seems pretty cool and with great features, native look and hardware acceleration use, but... One is in Alpha, the other in Beta ! Is it reliable to use such tools, that seems not ready for production ?
Some just advice to use Bootstrap... Some say to use Zepto ( zeptojs.com ). A lot of these advices were given 1 or 2 years ago.
Well... As you see, I need actual advices, and preferably from people who already tried many of these solutions
Thanks ahead !
( Sorry for not linking sites, I am a new member so I'm not allowed to post outside links )
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Hi i too work in mobile web applications. I suggest you to have look more into the sencha touch. Sencha is not fully paid framework. There is a gpl version of sencha which most corporates uses . the advantage of sencha is it can be used with phonegap or without phonegap. Also the docs are well documented and you will get an easy hello world application using the sencha cmd tool. The sencha docs is designed such that we can even try our code directly to alter the shown examples.
Ok as developer view sencha erradicates the most difficult part of mobile web app developmnt.ie the ui. Ui is well documented and created such that we doesnt want to deal much with ui issues when it is moved from devices to devices and os to os.
For heavy applications this is best because the sencha apps are mvc structure. I have beem worked in sencha apps that have more than 16 differnt screens on its own.
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Hi i too work in mobile web applications. I suggest you to have look more into the sencha touch. Sencha is not fully paid framework. There is a gpl version of sencha which most corporates uses . the advantage of sencha is it can be used with phonegap or without phonegap. Also the docs are well documented and you will get an easy hello world application using the sencha cmd tool. The sencha docs is designed such that we can even try our code directly to alter the shown examples.
Ok as developer view sencha erradicates the most difficult part of mobile web app developmnt.ie the ui. Ui is well documented and created such that we doesnt want to deal much with ui issues when it is moved from devices to devices and os to os.
For heavy applications this is best because the sencha apps are mvc structure. I have beem worked in sencha apps that have more than 16 differnt screens on its own.
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Hi ! Thanks for your comment. I'm considering Sencha could be my final solution. I have read somewhere that coding in everything else than its own IDe is very bad experience, and the IDE comes with the paid version only...
Still open for more advices if someone feels like
Up !
I finally launched the project using the Ionic very promising framework. If it doesn't fit in I will give a try to Sencha. Thanks for your help, I will come back and tell about my experiments !
I'm doing a project with jQM right now, got the iOS version going and still working on Android and Windows Phone (clients...) and looking for something better. (Performance, native look and feel, SASS/LESS based preferably, etc.)
Ionic looks great, but with Gingerbread still holding a 20% market share I'm wary. Chocolate Chip UI seems pretty cool, and Sencha and Intel's App Framework seem promising as well.
How did things go with Ionic? Is it really only functional on 4.2 and above?
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I'm doing a project with jQM right now, got the iOS version going and still working on Android and Windows Phone (clients...) and looking for something better. (Performance, native look and feel, SASS/LESS based preferably, etc.)
Ionic looks great, but with Gingerbread still holding a 20% market share I'm wary. Chocolate Chip UI seems pretty cool, and Sencha and Intel's App Framework seem promising as well.
How did things go with Ionic? Is it really only functional on 4.2 and above?
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Hi friend,
I'm sorry but I have very little time to work on my app, so I didn't see much already... I will eventually come back to tell about my experience with it, but it will be only in some more time !
However, all I saw about it sounds even more amazing than just promising !
I've made mobile sites using jQuery Mobile and although it was very good at what it did, I always felt like I was trying to swat a fly with a tank. It's large, it's heavy and it does a LOT more than you need if you're just looking for a UI.
I've switched to Bootstrap for web apps. It requires jQuery which is good, since I'd not want to have to use a different library for DOM manipulation, and it's very lightweight. Also, it's quite easy to skin (much easier than jQM) so changing the overall style is easy. There's also a lot more custom-built themes out there for it than there is for jQM.
tl;dr Use Bootstrap and jQuery (not jQM). Compact, easy and quick.
Take a look at ratchet goratchet.com . Its 2.00 version is very new and lightweight.
today, I am working with ionic and angular js, using visual studio to code, I think ionic is really common with better default ui than default control android. ionic have 1.x stable and beta at 2.x
Hi
I recommend 2 Angular Ionic 2, if you start a project.
Angular 2 is in release candidate
Ionic 2 is in beta, but it works well
Performance is much better with Angular 2.
it's a bit early to use Ionic 2 ?
Currently the beta.10 is sufficiently stable. We must work with workarounds for some points.
I created a post on the topic, It will be simpler:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/build-hybrid-app-angular2-ionic2-t3425535
I have used cordova for my android application 1 year ago with eclipse. I can say that android was the easiest to create among others (iPhone apps, windows or blackberry) It was also quite fast working like a native app although it was hybrid. I also added voice detection with android. There are many plugins for cordova for adding different features to your hybrid mobile app.
I am using Cordova for my wp8 apps developments. I had trouble adding the sound plugin but finally i succeeded. It is a nice framework.
Choosing a framework for hybrid app
Thanks for sharing.
Cordova + Angular2 + OnsenUI2
(wanted to post this in a new topic, but forum rules demand I make a few posts first)
I was having much of the same question (but with a much humbler ambition of an app), so I did some research and set my mind on this trio of frameworks:
Cordova - for the code-once philosophy
Angular 2 - for an easy implementation of the model-view-controller pattern
Onsen UI 2 - for polished UI components
Problem is, I'm a bit of a newbie at this, and while everything makes sense when reading the Getting Started page for each framework, putting everything together hasn't quite occurred yet in my mind. I'm still trying to figure out how to get the project started, and figure out what its directory structure should look like.
I'm wondering if anyone here would be willing to spend an hour of handholding mentoring to help me get started?