Hi all... Well im new here and im glad to find tech fanatics like myself .. I joined in to find ways to make my phone better but i found myself spending most of my time here on wp7 forums.. Im interested in buying one but i have some concerns and i hope someone helps me here...
I need the arabic language so is there any word about an official rom yet? And if yes when will that be?
Im in a place where ppl forgot sms and started using whatsapp instead.. I looked it up and to my surprise i found that microsoft didnt provide APIs that enables apps to access the phone address, which is the core feature of whatsapp... Does anyone know when will it be possible to have whatsapo on a wp7 phone?
And thnx in advance
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not sure about when you'll get arabic support. the phone can already support it in the fact that your contacts can have the arabic characters in them, and you can receive messages in them, but just can't type in them.
as for extending the APIs to support more features, I believe that PIM and Socket support were two of the most popular requested features and we will probably hear more about it at MIX 2011 conference where hopefully MS reveals additional APIs to support this sort of thing, which would hopefully solve your "whatsapp" issue.
Believe me: I was just like this! I came here to see tips to my android, and caught myself look more and more in WP7 forums. And Brazil, Portuguese, is not supported too.
About the Arabic keyboard, you might look this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917886
If you Chevron Unlock your phone you can install your own language. That should do it. The only problem is.. Will it work after update? So, or you will be stuck before the Copy n Paste update, or they will find a solution and you will have the best without losing your configs. Anyway, I have an Android, an iPhone 4 and WP7. For sure WP7 have become my favorite one.
I dont miss copy n paste. And I love the Metro UI and all notification system (though it can be better, using the led).
About WhatsApp.. I think they are not that cool with this atitude. Yes, Microsoft API doesn't support their way to work. Okay, so, why not do the app another way? You could input the number!
So yes, there is another way, even if it is worse. But you have the option, at least. They just don't want it. Or maybe they are working in it.
Seriously, you wont regret trading your Android for WP7. Trust me (;
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Heya,
I recently got a Touch HD and love it! However, im finding it difficult to find the applications i want and although i have seen the wiki lists for the suitable applications, im sure more could be done to help this.
So what I wanted to ask was is there any way an app market type software could be made that would include all/most the software out that there (like android, iphone etc...)
I dont mean a big package with all the software, i just mean a source of info and compatibility and clicking a link will start the download.
Is this possible? Cos if so, this would make the Touch HD even more amazing!
Cheers guys for any feedback.
Anyone got any ideas? Is there not anyone out there that can create/develop such a piece of software?
look out for the Microsoft Mobile Marketplace that's coming with the launch of Windows Mobile 6.5
The above, plus you can use the PDM app to download programs (but it's not generic for Blacksotne).
maybe someone can collate all the programs and their links and a description of what it does and if it works. this could be an msi package too?
just surf this forum and that's all
Answer!!
Thank you for your help, however, trawling thru this forum is a long process just to find certain pieces of software.
But, I have found an answer to my own question, if anyone is interested.
A piece of software is in development called "Gecko". Look at
http://www.getgecko.org/
Beta testing has been done and expected date was april, so its delayed but it seems promising for those of us that wont have windows 7 and its application market. (unless sum1 creates a rom of it!)
Yup, Gecko is here for that. Stuff is indeed getting delayed and I'm being pretty quiet about it, but it's still under development.
It's damn sad Microsoft hasn't already cooked this for us!
Why would you keep quiet about it? it sounds like such a gr8 project! I cant wait.
any chance of getting a release date for gecko. please??
No release date set, but I'm starting to look for ways to efficiently share the source code. I won't make it out alone with all the stuff going on right now (positive stuff, of course!)
I have read through many discussions and reviews, and I'd like to confirm and clear a couple of things with experienced users of TP2.
What I need is WM and QWERTY. It leads to HTC TP2, SE Xperia X2, Samsung Omnia Pro B7610. SE and Samsung doesn't fit me for some reasons, therefore I ended up considering TP2. Here are my questions regarding TP2:
SMS stuff: is it possible to have saved plenty of messages [more than 1000]? Does that slow the device or SMS operations down? Is it still lucid and easy to keep overview in sent/received/drafts? Is it possible to send one message to more receivers at once? Is it possible to save SMS as a text file to memory card? And what about full-text search on messages?
audio recorder: is it possible to start it by one or two touch and same easily save it? Does it save mp3 or wav file to memory card?
does it allow schedule power off/on?
What else makes me pretty nervous is the fact that WM6.x is dead system no more supported by MS. Isn't it similar to buying PC with Windows 98 today? In one year time most likely there will be only apps for 7 and no more new apps for old 6.x. If it was phone for 200$ I wouldn't care, but when I pay 500$ [as sold here in EU], I expect such phone to stay useful for a good couple of years. I don't want to go for WP7 as according to MS ads it is intended as a mobile interface for Facebook for bored teens. And what's more, it'll take year or two since those apps used by me will be 7 compatible...
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What else makes me pretty nervous is the fact that WM6.x is dead system no more supported by MS. Isn't it similar to buying PC with Windows 98 today?
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Dead system? Not supported? Who told you that? Remember: just because somebody posts their opinion doesn't make it true.
And no, not similar to buying PC with Win98.
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Dead system? Not supported? Who told you that? Remember: just because somebody posts their opinion doesn't make it true.
And no, not similar to buying PC with Win98.
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xsys, there's still far to broad a userbase for the traditional windows mobile platform for Microsoft to pull the plug on it. You can expect to see support and development both continue on it, likely under one of the suspected names of "windows phone classic" or "windows phone enterprise"
For some of your other questions:
-The SMS module in WM 6.x (and even earlier versions) is known to bog down noticibly with the more messages you retain, and would probably be rather significant by the time you got to 1000. That's honestly one of the top 10 achille's heels of this platform.
-Yes, you can add multiple recipients to SMS messages just like with an e-mail.
-I don't know of any way to archive SMS as text file(s), but it's possible that one of the available 3rd-party SMS clients might have that capability. However, microsoft's free MyPhone service/client will back up all your SMS's and other important info (contacts, call logs, pics, etc) to the cloud each day, where you can access them through a web interface from anywhere. Using this is a great way to keep your SMS inbox trimmed down to the few active threads you're using at any given time, which can sidestep much of the native issue in WM6.x
-Again, I think full-text searches of SMS's would require some 3rd-party client, though I can't say if any offer that.
-HTC and other dev's offer a number of voice recording options, most of which can be as simple as lauching the app, then just hitting record. Some can do .wav, some can do .mp3 and others, and all can save to your SD card. I'll also note here that there's a great free key remapper for the TP2 available in these forums, that would allow you to map the recorder app of your choice, to any button on the device, for easy opening if you use it frequently
-I don't know if there's a way to schedule a power on, but I think I've seen a solution here somewhere to schedule a soft-reset (the standard simple reboot procedure). Maybe someone more familiar with it could point you to it.
Let us know if you have any more questions!
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thanks for your responses guys. It seems dead system from MS point of view. They are now only on WP7 and stopped all work on WM6. Even TP2 is more than year old device and question is if there will be TP3 or something similar, soon. When it comes to memory and processor TP2 is kinda outdated piece of hardware. Though keyboard is outstanding, as well as some other functions. It is actually main reason for me to buy.
I hope that the community will keep this device alive Though, it is not so famous as HD2 what has much more users, and developers too.
My phone service seems to be nice one from MS it could solve my problem.
So, all the info I'm getting online makes me go for TP2... Now I just hope I'll get a good piece, as I heard some have problems and had to go for repair a few times...
Which ROM is the best - Heineken or Pilsner ;-)
There are still builds leaking from MS so someone is developing on the 6.5.x branch. To be honest, as a business user, there is no phone OS out there today that can match the features of 6.5.x. As long as MS has business users I don't see them stopping development on 6.5.x
You would think Microsoft would create this application as a priority. Jesus, even my blackberry has WINDOWS LIVE!
What the hell!
Yes that was quite puzzling.
I would have thought that it would be on there before it launched.
I'll laugh if AOL sticks an AIM client on the marketplace before Microsoft gets an MSN Messenger client up there. It's boneheaded moves like this that have defined Microsoft lately and it's why they went from almost owning the smartphone market to being in a position where they may never be able to catch up.
Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
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Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
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TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
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TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
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I don't know...I've played with the phones now quite a bit and really like the polish and features...yes, there are some glaring features missing but they will be added. I was told at an MS kickoff meeting earlier this week that they are going to have a ton of updates starting in January...they kept saying they are betting the farm on this so we'll see...
I would agree on the marketing front however...I don't understand how they can do such a good job with xbox360 marketing and do such a half assed attempt with the wp7 which is arguably more important to them in the long term.
They must be working on a native WLM. They make one for iPhone and Blackberry. They have produced a version for 3 on Android, which a third party coded.
It plugs into Yahoo Messenger too. Plus WLM now talks to Facebook Chat. They are rolling out that feature as we speak. But only a few people have it right now.
Maybe they will release WLM at CES. I can imagine Ballmer and Zuckerberg make an announcment together. Or at Mobile World Congress at the latest.
Maybe they were waiting for Microsoft Lync, which is apparently coming to Windows Phone in 2011. I just hope that, whatever it is, its a native app and ideally integrated into the OS.
Was just doing some reading about Microsoft Lync, sounds perfect...
Add Contacts and Share Presence and Instant Messages Users can add contacts on Windows Live, AOL, Yahoo!, and Google Talk networks to their contact list. With the Communicator “14” client, users can share presence status information and participate in instant messaging with colleagues and customers who use public IM connections.
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http://lync.microsoft.com/en-us/Product/Technologies/Pages/public-im-connectivity.aspx
you can go to live.com and use the web messenger from the menu-> messenger option
peace
The Zune HD Live Messenger only came out last month and had Facebook chat integrated. They're probably working on it.
What on earth are you talking about??? Messenger was available from day one and was one of the first apps I downloaded! its made by another company though. not microsoft. have a proper look or bing it in market place.
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What on earth are you talking about???
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There's no need to be like that when evidently you haven't read all the posts. We know there's a messenger but it's not an official one and as such it doesn't do the job for the OP and others.
But it wont get more official. I read somewhere that the company that made the current wlm was paid by ms to code the app as an official one.
I'm pretty sure though that it will get updated with more features. The current version certainly lacks some features compared to the ios version.
ps: here is the link to the article
http://www.liveside.net/2010/10/14/whos-building-the-official-messenger-app-for-wp7-not-microsoft/
Microsoft has often asked other developers to make app for them like the facebook one on winmo 6.5 but they would always mark it as an official MS app, so if that company is in charge I'm sure it would be a different version without their name on it.
That aside, I can't see Microsoft developing a WLM app for Zune HD and an awesome one for the iPhone and then not make one for their own platform. Doesn't make any sense.
Pretty sure we will see something soon enough that surpasses the cheesy app that is out now.
Why the hell would MS pay somebody to make the messenger and not provide them with the ability to have it run in the background?
I have read the same articles, and it smells rather off to me.
Personally, i cant wait for a better one. (or the existing one to get out of pre-alpha phase, coz that's how bad it is)
what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
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what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
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"Messenger by Miyowa"? What don't we get? Well, for starters, how you managed to use it to message anyone. That thing is rubbish, I can't imagine Microsoft let anyone put that thing out in their name and, last I checked which was about 45 seconds ago it was the only IM app in the marketplace.
The app doesn't have to run in the background. Beejive and IM+ for iPhone worked quite well before iPhone supported background operation and it worked via push notification. I think they both support background execution now but why bother when push works so well? That's memory freed up to use for something else.
Finally, a really half-assed solution that works is the SMS / IM interface most carriers provide. Some only do AIM but some cover them all. Do a google search for your carrier. AT&T, for example, uses SMS numbers starting with 265000 to log in and so on. If you're really that hard up for IM it's better than nothing, but just barely.
People are funny in this world.
In theory this OS is a platform for the community to build on.
Too bad the community is a mob with pitchforks.
Who in their right mind will develop anything when the populous will undoubtedly attack their creation?
Microsoft can't fix people. Why does anyone need messenger when all they do is hate on everything new?
I read that news about this third party company and I have a strong feeling that it's false. There is no way, that MS which created official messenger app for every other platform would outsource something so native to an unknown third party company for the windows OS!
I have a feeling that was a fake news spread by that third party company.
Hey guys!
I have an iPhone 4 and a Droid. Both have PingChat App, that I use a lot with my friends (wether cause almost everyone has an iPod, or they just don't want to use their texts with me). I don't have WP7. Yet. They have not been released in my country.
Whatever; I sent an e-mail to Enflick (PingChat's developers) if they have plans to WP7 app too.
The answer:
"At the moment I haven't heard of any plans to develop for WM7. Mainly due to the lack of demand it has shown."
Is the demand of WP7 that bad?!
I'm so in love with it ;/
Thanks!
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Hey guys!
I have an iPhone 4 and a Droid. Both have PingChat App, that I use a lot with my friends (wether cause almost everyone has an iPod, or they just don't want to use their texts with me). I don't have WP7. Yet. They have not been released in my country.
Whatever; I sent an e-mail to Enflick (PingChat's developers) if they have plans to WP7 app too.
The answer:
"At the moment I haven't heard of any plans to develop for WM7. Mainly due to the lack of demand it has shown."
Is the demand of WP7 that bad?!
I'm so in love with it ;/
Thanks!
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Well, I think demand now is Normal. Android started much worse than WP7. After a year I hope, that we will have a well developed market and much more features :] Well, many developers don't create apps for WP7, because it's just a start for them, but we will get better soon ;D
This time of the year (right after Christmas), demand will be much lower. Just wait a bit and people will be back to their normal shopping routines.
I've read somewhere that on the iPhone the most popular application, Angry Birds, was purchased by 10% of the user base. If there are two million WP7 devices out there, this means that the maximum a dev should expect is 200000 downloads, and most likely it'll be much less than that. So of course demand is not at the level where one should expect fast payback for serious development investment.
Maybe developers don't think it will pay off in the end for them.
I think there is a decent demand for it right now. It seems like more big names are being drawn to the platform. I am just happy that a Flickr app is coming to the platform soon, and they didn't need people to convince them to make an app.
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Hey guys!
I have an iPhone 4 and a Droid. Both have PingChat App, that I use a lot with my friends (wether cause almost everyone has an iPod, or they just don't want to use their texts with me). I don't have WP7. Yet. They have not been released in my country.
Whatever; I sent an e-mail to Enflick (PingChat's developers) if they have plans to WP7 app too.
The answer:
"At the moment I haven't heard of any plans to develop for WM7. Mainly due to the lack of demand it has shown."
Is the demand of WP7 that bad?!
I'm so in love with it ;/
Thanks!
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I emailed them as well, indeed same response... too bad.
But I emailed whatsapp as well, stating that there is a way to access all the contacts by simply parsing the mobile website of contacts.live.com and go trough all the pages or a bit more of a hassle and use the live contact apis. Now They said in a response that they MIGHT investigate this possibility... does not seem to promising yet though.
Although whatsapp here is overtaking pingchat, pingchat is losing due to lack of support of other platforms in early stages. Whatsapp does and integrates with the phone contacts.
So it should be possible for them to easily acces the contacts and copy them to the phone, run a check if contacts changed if so modifie them on the phone as well. These apps seem not too difficult too make, so if they really want to make more money they should consider accessing the cloud for the contacts data.
but probably they wont, at least for a while. I convinced some iphone users to use textme, which seems to be comming to android and bb as well. However the push notifications are just highly unreliable on wp7 while on iphone they are instant. Which is pretty annoying
This is bad ;/
I never ever touched a WP7. Microsoft decided to bring to my country (Brazil) just second half of the year. I'm managing a way to buy one from another country
Is the notification slow?
Ah, a doubt: in iPhone you can't replace your default message app (at least, you can't download any from AppStore, just jailbreaking). Android lets user replace home, dialer, message app, etc.
WP7 lets the user to replace default system apps to third apps?
E.g.: Handcent SMS is way more powerful than defaults app!
The quick reply with the bubble thing is awesome. Just like BiteSMS for iPhone.
Does WP7 anything like this?
Thanks
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This is bad ;/
I never ever touched a WP7. Microsoft decided to bring to my country (Brazil) just second half of the year. I'm managing a way to buy one from another country
Is the notification slow?
Ah, a doubt: in iPhone you can't replace your default message app (at least, you can't download any from AppStore, just jailbreaking). Android lets user replace home, dialer, message app, etc.
WP7 lets the user to replace default system apps to third apps?
E.g.: Handcent SMS is way more powerful than defaults app!
The quick reply with the bubble thing is awesome. Just like BiteSMS for iPhone.
Does WP7 anything like this?
Thanks
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Well, Android "lets" you to replace them, by leaving the old one and installing the new one. And then the old one has to be installed too, to get handcent or any other messaging app working. That's ****. MS doesn't let that and I think that default apps are very good and much, much better than Android's
the notification is not slow normally about 2 seconds. However its unreliable, sometimes it wont send the messages and you receive them 20 minutes later. There are more people with these issues http://forums.create.msdn.com/forums/t/67673.aspx I think you can assume that MS will fix this, since its a key feature of their OS and since as far as I know, it works fine with email, sms, call, etc. Just third the party apps have problems, I think.
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Is the notification slow?
Ah, a doubt: in iPhone you can't replace your default message app (at least, you can't download any from AppStore, just jailbreaking). Android lets user replace home, dialer, message app, etc.
WP7 lets the user to replace default system apps to third apps?
E.g.: Handcent SMS is way more powerful than defaults app!
The quick reply with the bubble thing is awesome. Just like BiteSMS for iPhone.
Does WP7 anything like this?
Thanks
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No. It is actually pretty quick to be honest.
I don't think you want to replace the default messaging, it does what you want it to. Just about every system default is up to par. Don't know why you would want to do that.
Android lets you do that because Handcent is considered better than default messaging, well default messaging is kind of bad (it keeps telling me send failed and something about force closing). And downloading a third party for email is kind of a given because the default email is terrible for anything not named gmail.
Yeap, I was just wondering. Apple doesn't allow it. So neither WP7?
Or just because you don't want to?
Bleh. So freaking anxious to buy one ;/
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Yeap, I was just wondering. Apple doesn't allow it. So neither WP7?
Or just because you don't want to?
Bleh. So freaking anxious to buy one ;/
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Don't think you would need to. To be honest, messaging on WP7 is already top notch. It is simple and not in your face unnecessary. Although a nice feature would be reply from a popup, but I don't think there is a big demand for it right now.
Yeap. Apple doesn't have it. Neither Android (though it can be done just installing app from market).
They are not worried about it. And this is not reason to not buy it ;P
I've recently come across the Touch Studio app and I'm loving everything about it so far. The only thing I haven't been able to find is an English forum with ideas and example codes, yes I know most of the code in Touch Studio is still fairly simple and self-explanatory but it would be nice to see what others are managing with it.
I have come across a Swiss site that has a few nice codes and some other awesome stuff. It would be awesome if we could start something like that here. I've now stopped playing in my spare time (sorry devs) and messing around with Touch Studio. This is just another thing that seperates WP7 from the rest, hope MS keeps up the good work.
For those who have never seen Touch Studio before you can find more info here:
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/touchstudio/
So is it a good place for someone who hasn't done any code or programming a good place to start? Can you use what you write for the phone it is on or does it still have to go to marketplace before it can be used and you have to download what you wrote from the marketplace to use it yourself? Answered. Do you have to get a dev permit(or whatever it is called) from MS to use the program at all? Answered.
Sorry just listened to podcast 48 on Social Times and the stuff you write is only on the phone, not sharable currently. So just the first question for anyone that have used it.
I have coded a few apps for personal use on my phone, and I would suggest microsoft visual studio for coding apps for WP7. There are great tutorials on the microsoft app hub website for first-time coders. I cant post links, but search microsoft app hub and have a look around that website. Very helpful
Yeah, as you noted the apps you write are only useable on your phone. But the latest version has an option for you to share the code.
I'm not sure how easy it would be for someone with zero experience. I did some very basic programming in Visual Basic 4 ages ago so I have the basic understanding of the simplest commands (e.g. IF THEN WHILE etc.). I don't think it is that hard to understand and should only take an hour or so to fully grasp the concept. There are some excellent tutorials online as well.
(Why) is TouchStudio no longer downloadable?
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I've recently come across the Touch Studio app and I'm loving everything about it so far.
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Folks, I have been wanting to try out developing some codes ever since I became aware of Touch Studio (a week or so back). Any idea why Touch Studio is NOT downloadable of late? It appears in Zune and you can read the description but no download facility is available. If the information helps - am using HTC Mozart, T-Mobile, based in Germany. Many thanks!
I was able to download it and run it. Using Samsung focus mango beta 7712
@Jason: Thanks Jason; I'll await the official Mango update (no clue when in Germany / T-Mobile); may be it will work out fine automatically thereafter. I got a comment from TouchStudioApp on Facebook: "we are sorry for the inconvenience; please stay tuned for the next update". Have asked them whether it's Mango or the next TouchStudio app they are talking about.
Yeah, I guess they took it offline till Mango, hope they have something exciting in store with the new APIs and such that Mango will bring.
well, i would love to see someone uploading the xap
edit: downloaded touchdevelop
Just recieved an update for TouchStudio it is now called TouchDevelop. Now it is at v2.0. The whole interface has been redesigned, you can now download and post scripts within the app and they have also revamped various other things. Slightly confusing at the moment but will have a look tonight to work the whole thing out.